NationStates Jolt Archive

That's a pretty lame right to be stripped of, to be honest.

Also, air monitors threaten the historic pigeons of Central Park.

This boggles the mind. Freedoms are being stripped away from US citizens one by one and they arnt even bothering to try to come up with plausible explanations anymore to cover it up. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,thompson,78873,2.html

so you would have to get a license to make sure the equipment you are operating is accurate and you know how to use it?

The horror :rolleyes:

This boggles the mind. Freedoms are being stripped away from US citizens one by one and they arnt even bothering to try to come up with plausible explanations anymore to cover it up. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,thompson,78873,2.html

Maybe it could be because any nut can test the air and then come up with a horror scenario and then tell everyone that there is something in the air, when it isn't and cause mass chaos?

I do believe the article says this:Damn you, Osama bin Laden! Here's another rotten thing you've done to us: After 9/11, untold thousands of New Yorkers bought machines that detect traces of biological, chemical, and radiological weapons. But a lot of these machines didn't work right, and when they registered false alarms, the police had to spend millions of dollars chasing bad leads and throwing the public into a state of raw panic.

OK, none of that has actually happened. But Richard Falkenrath, the NYPD's deputy commissioner for counterterrorism, knows that it's just a matter of time. That's why he and Mayor Michael Bloomberg have asked the City Council to pass a law requiring anyone who wants to own such detectors to get a permit from the police first.

Yay I win!

Maybe it could be because any nut can test the air and then come up with a horror scenario and then tell everyone that there is something in the air, when it isn't and cause mass chaos?


Yes and if we ban speech entirely this will prevent any nut case from telling anyone about his nutty theories evidence or otherwise and this will also prevent mass chaos. If we ban oxygen, we can keep humanity near death and unable to cause mass chaos by not giving anyone the ability to stand up. That should take care of those nutcases shouldnt it. Stop making up incredibly lame excuses to put people in jail for doing anything that isnt even remotely harming anyone.

so you would have to get a license to make sure the equipment you are operating is accurate and you know how to use it?

The horror :rolleyes:

Right! Now imagine if they made us get licenses for operating automobiles correctly? I tell you, the day that happens is the day that America becomes a police state.

What's wrong with air testing certifications for air testing machines so that people know which equipment works right rather than going about having to issue licenses?

How many people will do this beyond scientists who work with this stuff anyway seeing as that is exactly what happened during 9/11 and the scenario they are worried about happening, never happened?

Doesn't this just seem like it's adding unnecessary red tape?

Let's say people get a bunch of these hypothetical machines and get false positives. How long until those machines are shown to be crap and this hypothetical hysteria dies down?


I'm not seeing an urgent need for this.

Yeah, I mean shouldn't people get licenses to use the deadly microwave? Someone might produce a shoddy microwave that cooks people standing near them and it could set off hysteria! HYSTERIA!

The microwave license will show that someone knows how to use the microwave and that the microwave is working as it should.

Right! Now imagine if they made us get licenses for operating automobiles correctly? I tell you, the day that happens is the day that America becomes a police state.

You are right! An anesthesiologist shouldn't be licensed! Neither should Doctors for that matter!

so you would have to get a license to make sure the equipment you are operating is accurate and you know how to use it?

The horror :rolleyes:

Do you want to have to get a government licence to masterbate as well? At what point is it simply not the governments business if your testing air, accuratly or otherwise ?

And while we are at it, lets ban testing water and soil too. Only the government should be allowed to know the condition of our environment and we have no business doing our own independent verifications.

Yes and if we ban speech entirely this will prevent any nut case from telling anyone about his nutty theories evidence or otherwise and this will also prevent mass chaos. If we ban oxygen, we can keep humanity near death and unable to cause mass chaos by not giving anyone the ability to stand up. That should take care of those nutcases shouldnt it. Stop making up incredibly lame excuses to put people in jail for doing anything that isnt even remotely harming anyone.

Free speech, to a degree, is protected by the bill of rights, no? I mean, its not like a nutter can say WHATEVER he/she wants to, for instance crying fire in a theater, as it causes mass panic when there is no reason to panic. Furthermore, please show me where the authors of the Constitution wrote in that we have the right to test our air? :p This is silly that we even have to argue this point.

Yes, the hysteria would eventually die down, but in the mean time there could be mass chaos because of what these machines could or could not say. If you aren't licensed and trained to use one of the machines, and you have one, its only a matter of time before you get a reading that scares the hell out of you. And then the stupidity born there will spread like butter on warm toast, and that gives way to potential for looting and so forth.

I call bullshit. Gieger counters have been around for generations and there are millions of sources of natural radiations, and false positives for gieger counters are common and yet there are no legions of radiation attacks being reported to police ANYWHERE.

Do you want to have to get a government licence to masterbate as well? At what point is it simply not the governments business if your testing air, accuratly or otherwise ?

And while we are at it, lets ban testing water and soil too. Only the government should be allowed to know the condition of our environment and we have no business doing our own independent verifications.

The government has a legitimate state interest in restricting those things that can cause a potential hazard. Now while I think their argument is a bit chicken little, it's not a scenario I can not see happening.

This thread is evidence of the trouble with false alarms.

1) You have to be aware of where this is happening. New York City officials regularly propose all kinds of dumb-assed shit for new laws, and they go through months or years of political wrangling, and then they either go away or something completely different ends up getting passed.

2) What the Village Voice describes sounds no different. This is just the start of the usual NYC process of political BS.

3) The Village Voice is a problematical paper. They have a long-standing and deserved reputation for investigating and exposing the muck of NYC politics, but they are also far from objective, as you can tell by the tone of the article. You have to know how to read the Voice and edit out the editorial slant.

4) Naturally, this proposed law is a bunch of idiotic, unworkable, fascist shit. It was proposed initially by Homeland Security. What it will be when and if it ever actually gets passed, no one can say at this time, because it has not yet been put through the NYC mill. Wait for a later version of it before sounding alarms just yet -- though it is good for us to be aware that it has been proposed and that DHS wants laws like this.

5) Obviously, as proposed (by DHS) the law is an intolerable invasion of the rights of citizens as well as an obvious tool for controlling public information. Making ownership of a detection device illegal is simply ridiculous. But that's what those jackboot-licking lackeys at DHS want. What does the NYPD want? If the NYPD only wants to approve the detectors people use, I see no problem with that. Obviously, they can do that while still deleting at least 90% of the bullshit in the proposed law.

So I would say don't go into full Chicken Little mode yet. First, go after DHS for proposing such stupidity (again), and add your voice to the other critics of the proposed law demanding that the idea be changed or scrapped. This is not a danger to us yet, I think.

I'm not seeing an urgent need for this.


The urgency is what you said here:

Let's say people get a bunch of these hypothetical machines and get false positives. How long until those machines are shown to be crap and this hypothetical hysteria dies down?


Yes, the hysteria would eventually die down, but in the mean time there could be mass chaos because of what these machines could or could not say. If you aren't licensed and trained to use one of the machines, and you have one, its only a matter of time before you get a reading that scares the hell out of you. And then the stupidity born there will spread like butter on warm toast, and that gives way to potential for looting and so forth.

The 9th amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" so I guess you could theoretically argue that the right to test air is covered in it...depends how we want to really define rights, really, no?

OK, even if I were to take that evidence at face value, whose right is being restricted here? You require a license. OK. Go get a license.

How does that infringe on your rights?

The urgency is what you said here:



Yes, the hysteria would eventually die down, but in the mean time there could be mass chaos because of what these machines could or could not say. If you aren't licensed and trained to use one of the machines, and you have one, its only a matter of time before you get a reading that scares the hell out of you. And then the stupidity born there will spread like butter on warm toast, and that gives way to potential for looting and so forth.

So is there some sort of commercial line of these air testers in the works?

Why are they worried about something that didn't happen after 9/11 when it was more likely than ever?

Even when scientists tested the air and said there was a bunch of bad crap in the air, it didn't start a riot. Why would you expect the public to get uncontrollably riled by a claim from some random civilians?

Study after study has shown that the air in big cities is cancerous. No one is rioting over it.

You are right! An anesthesiologist shouldn't be licensed! Neither should Doctors for that matter!

I knew logic would win out in the end. :p

The 9th amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" so I guess you could theoretically argue that the right to test air is covered in it...depends how we want to really define rights, really, no?

I call bullshit. Gieger counters have been around for generations and there are millions of sources of natural radiations, and false positives for gieger counters are common and yet there are no legions of radiation attacks being reported to police ANYWHERE.

Agreed.

OK, even if I were to take that evidence at face value, whose right is being restricted here? You require a license. OK. Go get a license.

How does that infringe on your rights?

What is the states basis to require licencing? Do i need a licence to masterbate?

I agree with the person in the article who is quoted as saying that NYC does not have a history of public hysteria over things like this. New Yorkers know every minute of their lives that they are breathing a toxic stew that will eventually kill them. Last count I heard, NYC contained something like 63 Super Fund toxic waste dump sites, including a warehouse that stored radioactive industrial waste next door to an elementary school in the Bronx.

Wanting to avoid public panic is the most bullshit excuse that could possibly be raised in NYC. I can't speak for other cities, though.

What is the states basis to require licencing? Do i need a licence to masterbate?

No, but it might be a good idea to make you get a certificate to masturbate. :p

What is the states basis to require licencing?

why don't you read your own article, and the responses to the thread, before asking questions you should have already figured out before posting this?

Do i need a licence to masterbate?

Dude, seriously, what the fuck is with your obsession with masturbation?

I agree with the person in the article who is quoted as saying that NYC does not have a history of public hysteria over things like this. New Yorkers know every minute of their lives that they are breathing a toxic stew that will eventually kill them. Last count I heard, NYC contained something like 63 Super Fund toxic waste dump sites, including a warehouse that stored radioactive industrial waste next door to an elementary school in the Bronx.

Wanting to avoid public panic is the most bullshit excuse that could possibly be raised in NYC. I can't speak for other cities, though.

oh, it's a stupid fucking law. I have no disagreement that it's a stupid fucking law, with a stupid fucking justification.

I just can't seem to get all riled up over the fact that they want people who perform scientific tests to be properly certified.

What is the states basis to require licencing? Do i need a licence to masterbate?

You'll have to get your equipment inspected and tested for reliability. They also test its impact resistance with a large mallet. *nod*

why don't you read your own article, and the responses to the thread, before asking questions you should have already figured out before posting this?



Dude, seriously, what the fuck is with your obsession with masturbation?

Neo my whole point is that the State HAS no legitimate basis. Im NOT buying the stated reason as it makes no logical sence whatsoever.

Citizens all over the country are rioting after reports that Intestinal Fluids of small town, USA was masturbating in his home when he was electrocuted as his semen shot from his penis into a nearby light socket fatally injuring Intestinal Fluids and starting a fire that damaged several homes. Police are now requiring that all males get a license to masturbate so that they know how to masturbate properly.

oh, it's a stupid fucking law. I have no disagreement that it's a stupid fucking law, with a stupid fucking justification.
.

Never mind it seems we are in agreement afterall.

why don't you read your own article, and the responses to the thread, before asking questions you should have already figured out before posting this?



Dude, seriously, what the fuck is with your obsession with masturbation?
Oh, now, come on. You know we all like it now and then. It's normal and natural. ;)

What is the states basis to require licencing?
Historic pigeons, read the new OP.
Do i need a licence to masterbate?
Unless you get it in someone's eye, ejaculate is of little danger to anyone. Creating a scare by saying "OH MY GOD, RADIATIONS, ALSO ANTHRAX ARE HERE, FLEEEE!", because you don't know how to use the machinery is of danger to everyone.

Also, why the hell would you want to test the air? Srsly.

Citizens all over the country are rioting after reports that Intestinal Fluids of small town, USA was masturbating in his home when he was electrocuted as his semen shot from his penis into a nearby light socket fatally injuring Intestinal Fluids and starting a fire that damaged several homes. Police are now requiring that all males get a license to masturbate so that they know how to masturbate properly.

I call winner. :D

It's only page 2, but this post will be tough to top.

and here I was thinking Hydrolic Press...

*takes notes*

You'll have to get your equipment inspected and tested for reliability. They also test its impact resistance with a large mallet. *nod*

and here I was thinking Hydrolic Press...

and here I was thinking Hydrolic Press...

"Just step up to the line and place your equipment on the platform. That's good, thanks. One moment..."

KA-CHUUNNNNNGGG!!!

"All set, good to go. Just sign right here...and here. Thank you very much. Here's your certificate, make sure to hang it in plain view. Enjoy your equipment." :)

The 9th amendment states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" so I guess you could theoretically argue that the right to test air is covered in it...depends how we want to really define rights, really, no?


That has to be the shittiest right ever. Seriously, its making a mockery of rights that are important.

New flash! If you don't want to live in polluted air, then move to a small town or out in the country. If you can't realize that living in a city will be harmful according to the air you intake, then its really your own fault when you come down with X, Y, or Z lung disease.

Never mind it seems we are in agreement afterall.

I think we can agree that its a stupid law. But, there is no reason to get your panties in a bunch over it, to be honest.

Police are now requiring that all males get a license to masturbate so that they know how to masturbate properly.
I love the idea of an official masturbation licensing body; a group of qualified experts who can tell you if you're doing it wrong. Finally, an official role for Anonymous.

Historic pigeons, read the new OP.
Yes, they're very historic. So is the general hatred of them -- filthy, disease-ridden, imported, flying rats.

Unless you get it in someone's eye, ejaculate is of little danger to anyone. Creating a scare by saying "OH MY GOD, RADIATIONS, ALSO ANTHRAX ARE HERE, FLEEEE!", because you don't know how to use the machinery is of danger to everyone.
Actually, that is less of a danger than saying the air is good when in fact it is full of contaminants because you don't know how to use the machinery.

Also, why the hell would you want to test the air? Srsly.
Well, you know...you might want to breathe it some day.

I call winner. :D

It's only page 2, but this post will be tough to top.

:fluffle:

I think we can agree that its a stupid law. But, there is no reason to get your panties in a bunch over it, to be honest.

In all seriousness. Shouldn't we protest stupid laws? Wasting time money and resources over something stupid is kind of harmful to budgets and govt. integrity isn't it?

"Just step up to the line and place your equipment on the platform. That's good, thanks. One moment..."

KA-CHUUNNNNNGGG!!!

"All set, good to go. Just sign right here...and here. Thank you very much. Here's your certificate, make sure to hang it in plain view. Enjoy your equipment." :)

or
"Oh, sorry, your equiptment failed the structual stress test. we can't certify it."

"Next"

KA-CHIINNNNNGGG!!!

"wow that Passed the test... now we need to test the Radical Tempurature Endurance.... FIRE IT UP!"

*Unit is tossed into a vat of molten steel*

"oh... sorry, I didn't pass the Heat test... probably as well, we didn't get the Liquid Nitrogen in yet for the Chill test..." :D

Yes, they're very historic. So is the general hatred of them -- filthy, disease-ridden, imported, flying rats.
Historic.
Actually, that is less of a danger than saying the air is good when in fact it is full of contaminants because you don't know how to use the machinery.
Who gives a shit, really?

Is this law so really important as all that?
Well, you know...you might want to breathe it some day.
*breathes in air from window*

Wow, that was totally refreshing, even without checking it. Jesus Christ.

First they came for the air testers, but I don't breath so I lowered my head and said nothing.

Then they came for... :p

That has to be the shittiest right ever. Seriously, its making a mockery of rights that are important.

New flash! If you don't want to live in polluted air, then move to a small town or out in the country. If you can't realize that living in a city will be harmful according to the air you intake, then its really your own fault when you come down with X, Y, or Z lung disease.

:fluffle:



In all seriousness. Shouldn't we protest stupid laws? Wasting time money and resources over something stupid is kind of harmful to budgets and govt. integrity isn't it?
First of all, thanks, SB, for the fluffle. :)

Second, Zilam, SB is right. It is correct to protest laws that would create nothing but expensive and confusing boondoggles, as this proposed law would. And that is why the City Council members of NYC are doing exactly that, and telling the people proposing it to go and do it over again.

Go and read the article again. As proposed, by criminalizing possession of the wrong kind of detector, the law would make it a misdemeanor for even government agents whose job it is to test air quality, to travel through NYC if the model detectors they were carrying were different from what was approved in the city. Do you not see that as stupid?

Also, as proposed, the law would interfere with the legitimate work of private health organizations whose job it is to test air quality. It would place an undue burden on private citizens who need to test air quality, such as those caring for children with asthma, or privately contracted building inspectors doing inspections for real estate companies, or insurance inspectors checking work areas for industrial insurance coverage eligibility, etc., etc.

However, if the NYPD anticipates a greater need for air testing in the future, and if the NYPD has an interest in preventing costly false alarms by making sure that only models tested and certified as reliable are used by NYC residents, and that NYC residents are properly trained in how to use them, but if the NYPD has no interest in stopping NYC residents from getting and using these things, and as long as it is not illegal just to own any other kind of detector, then I see no problem.

Personally, I don't think it is necessary at all, but if the law were rewritten to be not-moronic, I would have no problem with it.

*breathes in air from window*

Wow, that was totally refreshing, even without checking it. Jesus Christ.

Wrong York. :P

or
"Oh, sorry, your equiptment failed the structual stress test. we can't certify it."

"Next"

KA-CHIINNNNNGGG!!!

"wow that Passed the test... now we need to test the Radical Tempurature Endurance.... FIRE IT UP!"

*Unit is tossed into a vat of molten steel*

"oh... sorry, I didn't pass the Heat test... probably as well, we didn't get the Liquid Nitrogen in yet for the Chill test..." :D


You have upset my genitals. :(

<snip>

*breathes in air from window*

Wow, that was totally refreshing, even without checking it. Jesus Christ.

Wrong York. :P

Damn straight. ;) Did you know that you can actually see the air in NYC? Yipes.

That has to be the shittiest right ever. Seriously, its making a mockery of rights that are important.

New flash! If you don't want to live in polluted air, then move to a small town or out in the country. If you can't realize that living in a city will be harmful according to the air you intake, then its really your own fault when you come down with X, Y, or Z lung disease.

Hey, I'm not saying it's a right or not. I just don't like the argument "well it's not listed in the constitution so it's not a right".

First of all, thanks, SB, for the fluffle. :)

Anytime! I'm sort of a groupie of yours.

Second, Zilam, SB is right.

Slips Muravyets a fiver.

Damn straight. ;) Did you know that you can actually see the air in NYC? Yipes.
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And testing it makes it more breatheable?

Damn straight. ;) Did you know that you can actually see the air in NYC? Yipes.


Yeah I was happy to get away from the same phenomenon in Los Angeles.

And testing it makes it more breatheable?Depending on the machine you use; if it has to remove a little of the pollution to detect it, the air will be infinitesimally cleaner and more breathable ;)

And of course, when air pollution is quantifiable, you have a better argument to get something done about it.

First of all, thanks, SB, for the fluffle. :)

Second, Zilam, SB is right. It is correct to protest laws that would create nothing but expensive and confusing boondoggles, as this proposed law would. And that is why the City Council members of NYC are doing exactly that, and telling the people proposing it to go and do it over again.

Go and read the article again. As proposed, by criminalizing possession of the wrong kind of detector, the law would make it a misdemeanor for even government agents whose job it is to test air quality, to travel through NYC if the model detectors they were carrying were different from what was approved in the city. Do you not see that as stupid?

Also, as proposed, the law would interfere with the legitimate work of private health organizations whose job it is to test air quality. It would place an undue burden on private citizens who need to test air quality, such as those caring for children with asthma, or privately contracted building inspectors doing inspections for real estate companies, or insurance inspectors checking work areas for industrial insurance coverage eligibility, etc., etc.

However, if the NYPD anticipates a greater need for air testing in the future, and if the NYPD has an interest in preventing costly false alarms by making sure that only models tested and certified as reliable are used by NYC residents, and that NYC residents are properly trained in how to use them, but if the NYPD has no interest in stopping NYC residents from getting and using these things, and as long as it is not illegal just to own any other kind of detector, then I see no problem.

Personally, I don't think it is necessary at all, but if the law were rewritten to be not-moronic, I would have no problem with it.


Well, I just like to argue for the hell of it. I'm not really into being right or wrong anymore :p

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And testing it makes it more breatheable?
Did I say it did? If you prefer to live in ignorance and not know when your environment gets better or worse for the sake of your own health and relocation decisions, bully for you. But I fail to see how you've shown that people wanting to test their air is unreasonable.

Anytime! I'm sort of a groupie of yours.

Slips Muravyets a fiver.
*pockets fiver with a ;)*

Next target, step up, please!

Yeah I was happy to get away from the same phenomenon in Los Angeles.
I went from NYC to Vermont and saw my health improve alarmingly (alarming for how sick I must have been before). Then I moved to Boston for work and now I can hardly breathe again. But at least in Boston you can't see the air. You can just smell it.

Well, I just like to argue for the hell of it. I'm not really into being right or wrong anymore :p
Probably quite wise. ;)

I went from NYC to Vermont and saw my health improve alarmingly (alarming for how sick I must have been before). Then I moved to Boston for work and now I can hardly breathe again. But at least in Boston you can't see the air. You can just smell it.


Same here! My wife has asthma and she went from using her inhaler several times a day to once a week at most.

Probably quite wise. ;)

ahhh snap :D

from the OP link

When the Environmental Protection Agency promised that the air surrounding Ground Zero was safe, Vallone said, independent testers proved that such assurances were utterly false.

(With the proposed police breakdown) these independent testers Would have to get a permit before they started working? If on top of paying for my own equipment, I would be forced to pay fees and forced to follow their complex paperwork procedures.. I would just say: forget it.

Did I say it did? If you prefer to live in ignorance and not know when your environment gets better or worse for the sake of your own health and relocation decisions, bully for you. But I fail to see how you've shown that people wanting to test their air is unreasonable.
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"Well, you know...you might want to breathe [the air] some day [after testing it]."

If things are getting worse, then you move house because you should be able to tell without relying on air testing devicesto make your decision for you.

"This air is breatheable" and "this air is not breatheable" is something that your body should make abundantly clear itself.

Then I moved to Boston for work and now I can hardly breathe again. But at least in Boston you can't see the air. You can just smell it.

Wait, you live in boston?

Anytime! I'm sort of a groupie of yours.

Me too! We should start a fan club :D

"This air is breatheable" and "this air is not breatheable" is something that your body should make abundantly clear itself.

Yeah totally! Just how the body knows when the water is potable or non-potable! Sophisticated internal mechanisms that warn you of parasites, heavy metals and other contaminants, setting off skin sensors that beep and flash and...

Um...

Oh.

Me too! We should start a fan club :D


You draft the newsletter and I'll make giant posters.

"This air is breatheable" and "this air is not breatheable" is something that your body should make abundantly clear itself.

Which is why we knew instantly that dealing with all that asbestos was a dangerous thing. No, wait...thousands of people died horrifically from lung cancer years later.

Crap

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"Well, you know...you might want to breathe [the air] some day [after testing it]."

If things are getting worse, then you move house because you should be able to tell without relying on air testing devicesto make your decision for you.

"This air is breatheable" and "this air is not breatheable" is something that your body should make abundantly clear itself.
Oh my god!!! You've apparently never heard of carbon monoxide!! It's a gas that is utterly odorless and shows no symptoms of discomfort until you lose consciousness. It can kill very quickly in sufficient concentration, and it is everywhere in any place that has cars and gas heating, and concentrations build up very quickly indeed in encloses places like houses. Yet you'd never know it just by walking into a room polluted with it, until you pass out.

Your statement betrays your ignorance. When I moved to Boston in 2000, that city was still trumpeting its great reputation for having cleaned up its environment from being one of the most polluted cities in the US in the 1970s. They were resting on 30-year-old laurels, while in fact, pollution rates were skyrocketing due to increased population and traffic. Recently, Boston's environmental statistics have sucked, and my area in particular (Somerville) is shown such an increase in lung disease and asthma that the City is suing the state over the pollution levels. If I had known this before I moved, I would not have come here. If I could have tested the air when I first came looking for a job, I probably would not have moved here, even though just walking down the street I did not immediately notice any inability to breathe.

Wait, you live in boston?
Huh? What? *looks for place to hide*

Originally Posted by Neesika
Me too! We should start a fan club
You draft the newsletter and I'll make giant posters.
Oh, great. Me and my big mouth. *reenters Witness Protection program*

You draft the newsletter and I'll make giant posters.

You realise we'll have to stalk her as well... *flashes two tickets to Boston*

I mean...how hard would it be to find ONE person in little ole Boston?

You realise we'll have to stalk her as well... *flashes two tickets to Boston*

You'll have to buy your own beer and Oreos, beyotch. I ain't hosting this party. :p

You have upset my genitals. :(

*shakes Head*
Air quality testers LG, AIR QUALITY TESTERS!!!

not Breathalysers. :D

You realise we'll have to stalk her as well... *flashes two tickets to Boston*

I mean...how hard would it be to find ONE person in little ole Boston?

I'm in.

at this moment, as coincidence would have it, my boston apartment has both beer, and Oreos



This fan club party is really shaping up.

Recently, Boston's environmental statistics have sucked, and my area in particular (Somerville) is shown such an increase in lung disease and asthma that the City is suing the state over the pollution levels.

No damn it, no. Somerville is not a "part of boston". Somerville is Somerville, it has its own mayor and everything! :p

You'll have to buy your own beer and Oreos, beyotch. I ain't hosting this party. :p

at this moment, as coincidence would have it, my boston apartment has both beer, and Oreos

at this moment, as coincidence would have it, my boston apartment has both beer, and Oreos

You're too vanilla for this party :P

Also, oreos are an abomination.

Hah.

Ahaha

hah.

Bite me bitch :p

I happen to know you wouldn't enjoy that, proving my point.
*nods*
:p

No damn it, no. Somerville is not a "part of boston". Somerville is Somerville, it has its own mayor and everything! :p
Oh, grow up. I say that to everyone in every part of the metro Boston area. These are not cities!! They are neighborhoods. Small neighborhoods at that. They are no longer independent villages separated by pastures full of grazing Puritans.

You're too vanilla for this party :P

Hah.

Ahaha

hah.

Bite me bitch :p

They are no longer independent villages separated by pastures full of grazing Puritans.

Then please explain to me the point of Cambridge.

Then please explain to me the point of Cambridge.
Oh, I SOOO need to have that sentence printed on a t-shirt or coffee mug. ;)

I call bullshit. Gieger counters have been around for generations and there are millions of sources of natural radiations, and false positives for gieger counters are common and yet there are no legions of radiation attacks being reported to police ANYWHERE.

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Only in America! As they say.

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Hahaha! Speaking of Boston and false alarms... :D

That's why he and Mayor Michael Bloomberg have asked the City Council to pass a law requiring anyone who wants to own such detectors to get a permit from the police first.

Are we reading the same article? This says get a permit, not banned. You're playing with words my friend. Ne freedom is being restricted here. It's perfectly legitimate. Why do citizens need paranoia devices anyway?

Are we reading the same article? This says get a permit, not banned. You're playing with words my friend. Ne freedom is being restricted here. It's perfectly legitimate. Why do citizens need paranoia devices anyway?

Im reading the same article, can you explain to me why i would suddenly need a permit to use a geiger counter? A device that has been in common use for generations of mankind and is not the cause of any panic anywhere ever?

Im reading the same article, can you explain to me why i would suddenly need a permit to use a geiger counter?
So, I suppose you know exactly how to use a geiger counter, how to interpret the readings, and how to ensure it's accurate?

A device that has been in common use for generations of mankind and is not the cause of any panic anywhere ever?

What, a lite-brite board?

But I think he is saying that you don't need a license to use a Geiger counter, yet despite all of the false alarms that it could cause, it hasn't causes mass hysteria or whatever.

So why would an air quality tester create panic like they are suggesting (to people who should know already that the air is toxic), when something that measures radiation which would seem much more terrifying, hasn't?


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Also that Aqua Teen Hunger Force thing shows that the police can't tell the difference between guerrilla advertising and a bomb :p

Maybe it could be because any nut can test the air and then come up with a horror scenario and then tell everyone that there is something in the air, when it isn't and cause mass chaos?

I do believe the article says this:

Yay I win!

One could do that without the detectors part

so you would have to get a license to make sure the equipment you are operating is accurate and you know how to use it?

The horror :rolleyes:

See, it didn't read like that to me, honestly. It read more like, "We're going to make sure no one can test the air but us, and people we approve of."

"Can we test the air?"

"No."

The urgency is what you said here:



Yes, the hysteria would eventually die down, but in the mean time there could be mass chaos because of what these machines could or could not say. If you aren't licensed and trained to use one of the machines, and you have one, its only a matter of time before you get a reading that scares the hell out of you. And then the stupidity born there will spread like butter on warm toast, and that gives way to potential for looting and so forth.

In six years, we have not had what they are proposing happen.
After 9/11, Christine Todd Whitman stood up and told people the air was ABSOLUTELY safe, no need to worry....

...and we know how that turned out, yes?

See, it didn't read like that to me, honestly. It read more like, "We're going to make sure no one can test the air but us, and people we approve of."
yet they don't specify what is involved with getting a permit.

for all we know this might just be a way to put some funds into the police coffers. :p