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Saddam Pwns USA from Grave!

Wilgrove
28-01-2008, 08:57
Agent: Hussein was surprised U.S. invaded

(CNN) -- Saddam Hussein let the world think he had weapons of mass destruction to intimidate Iran and prevent the country from attacking Iraq, according to an FBI agent who interviewed the dictator after his 2003 capture.

According to a CBS report, Hussein claimed he didn't anticipate that the United States would invade Iraq over WMD, agent George Piro said on "60 Minutes," scheduled for Sunday broadcast.

"For him, it was critical that he was seen as still the strong, defiant Saddam. He thought that (faking having the weapons) would prevent the Iranians from reinvading Iraq," said Piro.

During the nearly seven months Piro talked to Hussein, the agent hinted to the Iraqi that he answered directly to President Bush, CBS said in a posting on its Web site.

"He told me he initially miscalculated ... President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 ... a four-day aerial attack," Piro said. "He survived that one and he was willing to accept that type of attack."

"He didn't believe the U.S. would invade?" Correspondent Scott Pelley asked.

"No, not initially," Piro answered.

Once it was clear that an invasion was imminent, Hussein asked his generals to hold off the allied forces for two weeks, Piro said. "And at that point, it would go into what he called the secret war," the agent said, referring to the insurgency.

But Piro said he was not sure that the insurgency was indeed part of Hussein's plan. "Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," he said.

Hussein had the ability to restart the weapons program and professed to wanting to do that, Piro said.

"He wanted to pursue all of WMD ... to reconstitute his entire WMD program."

Hussein said he was proud he eluded U.S. authorities who searched for him for nine months after the U.S.-led invasion, Piro said.

"What he wanted to really illustrate is ... how he was able to outsmart us," Piro said. "He told me he changed ... the way he traveled. He got rid of his normal vehicles. He got rid of the protective detail that he traveled with, really just to change his signature."

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/27/saddam.cbs/index.html)

As an American, I have to say, Saddam pwned us at the end.
Cameroi
28-01-2008, 08:59
insurgency? plan? don't you think, if the u.s. invaded itself, or someone else did, the n.r.a. wouldn't be out their shooting back? especially when the invaders started conducting random house to house searches and draging who ever they felt like for whatever arbitrary and absurd reason off to some hell hole to be tortured?

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Non Aligned States
28-01-2008, 11:15
insurgency? plan? don't you think, if the u.s. invaded itself, or someone else did, the n.r.a. wouldn't be out their shooting back? especially when the invaders started conducting random house to house searches and draging who ever they felt like for whatever arbitrary and absurd reason off to some hell hole to be tortured?

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It would depend on how much the local populace hates the invader, as well as how they are treated. If the invaders are popular with the locals, no insurgency. On the other hand, if they are hated, but create a regime of terror so brutal and so all encompassing that the idea of retaliation in any form is unimaginable for fear of suppression, then there would be minimal, if any, insurgency.
Extreme Ironing
28-01-2008, 12:08
Hardly pwned. The guy's dead. He got pwned by miscalculating the coalition's plans, regardless of whether he was playing a deception.
Siylva
28-01-2008, 12:43
Link (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/27/saddam.cbs/index.html)

As an American, I have to say, Saddam pwned us at the end.

...wow...just...wow

What an idiot...
Barringtonia
28-01-2008, 12:46
Last night I bet my jewel-encrusted chess board on a game with my friend.

Towards the end, I told my friend that, despite the fact I only had my king left, I was merely lulling him into a false sense of security and so I chortled aloud while detailing my imminent plans to destroy him.

He was neither worried nor deterred as he continued to hunt down my king and place me in check mate but the joke was on him because he won the board and therefore had to put away all the pieces.

I sure pwned him.
Corneliu 2
28-01-2008, 13:08
Hardly pwned. The guy's dead. He got pwned by miscalculating the coalition's plans, regardless of whether he was playing a deception.

That's pretty much true.
Non Aligned States
28-01-2008, 14:04
Hardly pwned. The guy's dead. He got pwned by miscalculating the coalition's plans, regardless of whether he was playing a deception.

I wouldn't say being dead precludes pwning someone. There are any number of ways you can have revenge on post life hold. But I would say if anything, the Bush administration pwned the American people, then the Iraqi people, and then the American people again in between bouts of random people pwning.
OceanDrive2
28-01-2008, 15:25
It would depend on how much the local populace hates the invader, as well as how they are treated. If the invaders are popular with the locals, no insurgency. On the other hand, if they are hated, but create a regime of terror so brutal and so all encompassing that the idea of retaliation in any form is unimaginable for fear of suppression, then there would be minimal, if any, insurgency.You mean as brutal as the Nazi
Non Aligned States
28-01-2008, 15:44
You mean as brutal as the Nazi

No. The Nazi's managed to get an aura of fear yes, but they failed to make it all encompassing. In western Europe, they were somewhat lacking in the total brutality they showed to the Slavic people in Russia (they picked segments of society), while in Russia, they failed to make it all encompassing (too much land, not enough manpower). Orwell's dystopian society is closer to it. Genghis Khan's model also works, but given the shifting scales of damage in proportion to manpower, is probably not as effective as it used to be.
New Genoa
28-01-2008, 15:51
Hardly pwned. The guy's dead. He got pwned by miscalculating the coalition's plans, regardless of whether he was playing a deception.

Well, seeing as the US has spent billions on this invasion based on the premise that he had WMDs...yeah I would say he pwned us.
Laerod
28-01-2008, 15:56
Well, seeing as the US has spent billions on this invasion based on the premise that he had WMDs...yeah I would say he pwned us.That was the excuse, not the premise. The premise was to 1up daddy.
OceanDrive2
28-01-2008, 16:06
It would depend on how much the local populace hates the invader, as well as how they are treated. If the invaders are popular with the locals, no insurgency. On the other hand, if they are hated, but create a regime of terror so brutal and so all encompassing that the idea of retaliation in any form is unimaginable for fear of suppression, then there would be minimal, if any, insurgency.Like the Nazi?
No. The Nazi's managed to get an aura of fear yes, but they failed to make it all encompassing. In western Europe, they were somewhat lacking in the total brutality they showed to the Slavic people in Russia (they picked segments of society), while in Russia, they failed to make it all encompassing (too much land, not enough manpower). Orwell's dystopian society is closer to it. Genghis Khan's model also works, but given the shifting scales of damage in proportion to manpower, is probably not as effective as it used to be.so.. your best example is Orwell.


since Genghis Khan "occupations" did create insurgency/resistance/guerrilla/terrorism. (if you call that occupation)
Ifreann
28-01-2008, 17:38
I'm sure Saddam's highly decomposed corpse is smiling, knowing that he got the last laugh.

Actually, now that I think of it, he doesn't have a warzone to deal with anymore. Not too bad of a deal.
Non Aligned States
28-01-2008, 17:45
Like the Nazi?


Are you a broken record?


so.. your best example is Orwell.

since Genghis Khan "occupations" did create insurgency/resistance/guerrilla/terrorism. (if you call that occupation)

You can put quotation marks wherever you like. It didn't change the fact that Genghis Khan could, and did, build a huge empire out of blood and anguish of millions of people through a rein of absolute terror. For the most part, there was very little resistance after he took over.

Of course, he failed in the aspect of making his empire run on an all encompassing terror system.

A second example that comes to mind though, is the Stasi and KGB setups. They worked, even if the supporting governing infrastructure eventually failed.
Lunatic Goofballs
28-01-2008, 18:30
I suspect it was all just an elaborate plan by Saddam Hussein to eat his fill of Doritos and die happy. And we fell for it. :(
Arh-Cull
28-01-2008, 18:37
I would say if anything, the Bush administration pwned the American people, then the Iraqi people, and then the American people again in between bouts of random people pwning.

*Applause*
Ashmoria
28-01-2008, 18:39
i dont understand why 60 minutes presented this as something new.
Gauthier
28-01-2008, 18:50
Saddam did get in the last laugh.

Iraq was a Tar Baby and Br'er America went in with both fists swinging.