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Nothing whatsoever. It's propaganda.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

For the GOP, it means you're a Pinko Commie liberal baby killer who hates the American Flag and spit on Soldiers. :p

As for me, I'd think the terrorist who strike against us in terrorist attack would be considered Anti-American.

Being anti-american involves a shiny paper certificate.

.... of course?

Actually, there are several.

Everyone speaks with an accent in America.

Exept us midwesterners. We speak proper American English.

For me, anyone sick/mad/ or get anything negative when USA/ it's people is mentioned. OR those who want to kill them at the 1st sights...

(PS: Some British can qualified for the first. I agree the American Accent (And Australia) is very confusing)

Being anti-american involves a shiny paper certificate.

OOooo Shiny!

/A.D.D.

For me, anyone sick/mad/ or get anything negative when USA/ it's people is mentioned. OR those who want to kill them at the 1st sights...

(PS: Some British can qualified for the first. I agree the American Accent (And Australia) is very confusing)

There's an American Accent? :eek:

There's an American Accent? :eek:

.... of course?

Actually, there are several.

Anti-American=Anti-Stephen Colbertist.

It's a very simple corarallary to Colbert's proclamation: "I am America (And So Can You!)"

There are many, d#mned!
your akzen can make me mad. Sometimes.
Still, the Australian more frightening than yours...
(Even thought Australia is so short way from here.)

.... of course?

Actually, there are several.

I know there are several, like Southern, Northern (like the New York accent) and then there's the Wisconsin accent that I got accustomed to when I went to Oshkosh for AirVenture. My surprise came from the fact that there appears to be an "American" accent, which I took to mean the whole country, like all of us share one accent.

I know there are several, like Southern, Northern (like the New York accent) and then there's the Wisconsin accent that I got accustomed to when I went to Oshkosh for AirVenture. My surprise came from the fact that there appears to be an "American" accent, which I took to mean the whole country, like all of us share one accent.

more like certain mannerism that are common nationally, much like a "british" accent, as if everyone in britain had the same accent

I find it funny when people use the word "Unamerican" as an insult, as if its bad to be anything other than American.

I'm American, but I'm not sure if the American mentality or idealogy is monolithic or singular enough that it has a single antithesis.

... um, it means that you're against America?

It depends who you ask.
For people like Huckabee "unamerican" is refusing to use the constitution as toiletpaper and not wishing to replace religious freedom by Christianity worship.

For others it is disagreeing with the American way of life.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

You need to have the intelligence to disagree with a neocon, but the stupidity to get within earshot of one.

@Hamily

No, it means that you're not american.

What I don't understand is the whole use of american as an adjective that doesn't mean "Coming from america".

Cos qualities like bravery and strength of character are only found in the USA. >.<

@Hamily

No, it means that you're not american.

What I don't understand is the whole use of american as an adjective that doesn't mean "Coming from america".

Cos qualities like bravery and strength of character are only found in the USA. >.<

No, that would be unamerican. In this context anti-american presumably means opposing America. After all, no one will claim that all British people, for example, are anti-American. At least not simply by virtue of being British.

You need to have the intelligence to disagree with a neocon, but the stupidity to get within earshot of one.

LOL!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Unamerica

Sorry Hamilay. If you look at the post before yours it references being unamerican, and thats what I thought you were talking about.

It means that whoever is trying to insult you is a mental midget not worthy of your time or attention.

Sorry Hamilay. If you look at the post before yours it references being unamerican, and thats what I thought you were talking about.

That was my bad, I switched from talking about anti-american to the different term unamerican. Sorry 'bout that.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

I would assume you would have to be fundamentally opposed to American culture or people to be 'anti-American'?

Anyone who would openly call themselves an 'American', 'Australian', 'Canadian' or whatever automatically earns a -1 in respectability from me, how about you call yourself 'a human being' rather than promoting your artificial petty-sectarianism.

Being anti-american involves a shiny paper certificate.


Its pink as well, I think.

Anyone who would openly call themselves an 'American', 'Australian', 'Canadian' or whatever automatically earns a -1 in respectability from me, how about you call yourself 'a human being' rather than promoting your artificial petty-sectarianism.

When I was living overseas a few years ago, a lot of the expats would mention where they're from by saying "I'm Canadian" or whatever. As long as you don't think it makes you better, I don't see anything wrong with mentioning where you're from, even if only to start up a conversation and exchange some culture.

Anyone who would openly call themselves an 'American', 'Australian', 'Canadian' or whatever automatically earns a -1 in respectability from me, how about you call yourself 'a human being' rather than promoting your artificial petty-sectarianism.

I'm hanging on the edge of my seat to see how this will be explained to fit with eternal class struggle.

I'm hanging on the edge of my seat to see how this will be explained to fit with eternal class struggle.
Since I was created in a secret Soviet research lab to be the actual embodiment of eternal class struggle (my name is, after all Иосиф Классовая борьба), I can personally tell you that it actually involves being extremely counter-revolutionary and indeed an enemy of the proletariat, thus making people actually struggle to raise their class in life.

And you'd better believe it. Anyone who says otherwise is disagreeing with Marx' vision of The Future, and is mininterpreting his work.

I'm usually being called "anti-Amercian" when I voice criticism of anything the USAmerican I'm talking to at the time considers uniquely American.

Not much of a definition, but it's all I can offer.

Most of the time it means your a non-american who isn't patriotic towards america

What does it mean to be called anti-American?
What does it mean to have a value statement made about your opinions, on another country in a negative way? (this is how i interpret the question).
Anti-American implies that either America is good or bad, this equates to a false dilemma, either you like America or you don't like America, then you have to explain why, with limited options for a debate resulting in America bashing or America supporting.
I should probably do some revision now.;)

Everyone speaks with an accent in America.

Exept us midwesterners. We speak proper American English.

Indeed. None of this slurred vowel, swallowed r's, or question mark at the end of every sentence crap.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.Be non-far right and have the far-right catch you on an issue that they disagree with you on. Watch 'em turn on you.

It means you're Pro-Rest-of-the-World?

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.Nothing. It's only the expression of the US folks' inability to accept that they are not the peak of humankind.

It either means that you object to seperation of continent America from Pangea (and others later) or you think that Vespucci did an extremely poor job at naming of a "New World".

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

It means you unconditionally hate all Americans.

Anti-Americans tend to be the people who think we're all a bunch of fat Evangelicals watching Nascar, cleaning our guns and stuffing pizza down our face.
But that's just the deep South ;)

Nothing. It's only the expression of the US folks' inability to accept that they are not the peak of humankind.

When there are intelligent folk like you wandering around saying intelligent things like that, how could I possibly think myself the peak of humankind?
(Intelligent's sort of a big word. Pretend I said "smart.")

What does it mean being called anti-american?

???

It means you pissed someone off, and where then called anti-american.

It's a stock insult designed to shut up people that dare disagree with the current evil government that has raped America and is intent on raping the rest of the world.

It's a stock insult designed to shut up people that dare disagree with the current evil government that has raped America and is intent on raping the rest of the world.

Sometimes, yeah.
But some people really are anti-American.

Sometimes, yeah.
But some people really are anti-American.

Yeah, and they get off on getting called anti-american.

Yeah, and they get off on getting called anti-american.

That's why I never use it as an insult... just fanning the flames. Usually, I just try to expose their ignorance by getting them to wonder WHY they're anti-American. The reasons tend to be flimsy and fall into the category of sheer ad hominem bullcrap. Stuff they pick up from the media.

It's the ones who really do hate america the most that get the most offeneded by being lables Anti-American.

Anyone who would openly call themselves an 'American', 'Australian', 'Canadian' or whatever automatically earns a -1 in respectability from me, how about you call yourself 'a human being' rather than promoting your artificial petty-sectarianism.

Insofar as Myanmar and the United States have different views of what being "human" entails, I'm curious to know how you think "citizen of Myanmar" and "citizen of the United States" have the same referant. It occurs to me that to call yourself a citizen is to say that you are loyal to the defining features of the compact to which you belong; in the case of Myanmar, you are loyal to the reigning government, and in the case of the United States, you are loyal to the founding principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. These are not the same thing, and I am further curious to know why making this distinction reduces down to "petty sectarianism".

It's the ones who really do hate america the most that get the most offeneded by being lables Anti-American.

That makes no sense.

It's the ones who really do hate america the most that get the most offeneded by being lables Anti-American.

You're wrong.

You're wrong.

OK :)

OK :)

I'm glad you realize as much. You see, people who get called anti-American are usually the ones that attempt to prevent the very UNAMERICAN changes the Bush administration is attempting to bring. They resent it because they know it's a buzzword. Thus, yes, they resent being called that because they are, in fact, trying to defend the principles the USA is supposed to stand on.

Thus, yes, they resent being called that because they are, in fact, trying to defend the principles the USA is supposed to stand on.

Who decides what principles the USA is supposed to stand on?
From where are these principles derived?
Why exactly should a country stand for a certain set of principles and never waver?

Well i'm just saying i'm involved in my club, and I voice criticisms of america and my teacher jokingly asks the class "aren't you anti-american"? I don't understand what anti-american entails. I voice my opinion how in our society
there's "dissemination the view that unionism is anti-american" and the flood of propoganda through media, schools, churches, entertainment industy with the american way. Then i proceed to talk about the poverty and disrepair of american democracy and the pervasive violence of US imperial policy around the world. Is this really anti-american?

I guess according to most terms, I'm anti-American. I don't identify myself with America, beyond the fact that I live there. I care about myself, my family, and my friends, and I care about the wellfare of good people and animals, but it really doesn't matter to me what country you're in if I don't know you.

I am not patriotic at all, I'm not proud of my government, I do not support my government nor do I believe they have good intentions.

Yeah, I'll take the label. At least I have more principle than the people who realize the destructiveness of our governments and corporations but still claim to support "their country".

I guess according to most terms, I'm anti-American. I don't identify myself with America, beyond the fact that I live there. I care about myself, my family, and my friends, and I care about the wellfare of good people and animals, but it really doesn't matter to me what country you're in if I don't know you.

I am not patriotic at all, I'm not proud of my government, I do not support my government nor do I believe they have good intentions.

Yeah, I'll take the label. At least I have more principle than the people who realize the destructiveness of our governments and corporations but still claim to support "their country".

Well, that's not a bad thing at all.
I'm not very pro-government either, but I'm still patriotic. I'd like the country to be better. I have my own idea of what American principles are and what we were founded on. So yeah. I don't just live here.
I'm American, and I sure hope we don't get another craptastic president this year.

Anti-American=Anti-Stephen Colbertist.

It's a very simple corarallary to Colbert's proclamation: "I am America (And So Can You!)"

*worships*
http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/061220/163447__colbert_l.jpg
http://wonkyear.com/w/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=637&g2_serialNumber=2
http://www.cosmosleft.com/images/198_Colbert_Reeves.jpg

Who decides what principles the USA is supposed to stand on?
From where are these principles derived?I should hope that the principles are derived from the founding documents, like, say, the Bill of Rights and The Constitution and the Treaty of Tripoli and such.

Why exactly should a country stand for a certain set of principles and never waver?
I can think of two specific instances regarding The Constitution where changes really, really needed to happen, and they've been adjusted as much as anyone can reasonably expect.
Never waver? I don't think any of them are particularly immutable, per se, but certainly the highest one aims, the highest one should accomplish.

Everyone speaks with an accent in America.

Exept us midwesterners. We speak proper American English.

QFT

Oh, and I would venture to say that most authentic Christians would be inherently anti-american. Big statement to make, but I think I can back that up.

So, count me as anti-american.

Oh, and I would venture to say that most authentic Christians would be inherently anti-american. Big statement to make, but I think I can back that up.
Probably :p

So, count me as anti-american.

So are you offended most by Mumakata dos's creative assessment?

Probably :p


So are you offended most by Mumakata dos's creative assessment?


Who?

Who?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13403574&postcount=47

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13403574&postcount=47

Oh that. Naw I am not offended. At one point I would have been. Then I realized, oh wait, this country will not exist one day, so why pride myself in being a supporter of it. Then I learned the horrors of its furthering of its "interests". Then came the noticing of the propaganda. Then reading something in the biblical book of Phillipians, I believe, made me realize that my citizenship isn't with America, but with Heaven. So all of those combined form me into someone who is anti America, or at least its government. I don't mind the physical landscapes. I mean its a beautiful place and all. But the people and government are driving me crazy anymore.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

you have to graduate form the Goofballion College for anti americanism, which is based in DC,

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

To get my "anti-american" badge, it was enough to state that NATO should be superceded and EU should get a common military and foreign policy... just what Giulio Andreotti, christian democrat, pro-western politician, and seven times President of the Council of Ministers said back in 1992 (!!!).

Really, the "anti-whatever" badges some people throw onto those who have different ideas mean nothing more than "lalalala I don't listen to ya cuz yer a baddie!".

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.

It depends who is calling you such. If a gun-toting redneck is calling you anti-American, then it probably just means you're disagreeing with him and he's too dumb to argue.

If a more reasonable, somewhat liberal, fairly tolerant person (such as, oh, I don't know, myself maybe), who is frequently called anti-American himself by aforementioned gun-toting redneck, says you're being a bit anti-American, it probably means you're being a bit of a douchebag and probably saying hateful things about an entire nation of people based on the actions of the government (which many of us do not like) and only some of those people.

Why do you ask?

You need to have the intelligence to disagree with a neocon, but the stupidity to get within earshot of one.

I am a proud neocon. This assumes that what we mean by neoconservatism is the belief that human rights are something that need to be defended at all costs. It is my understanding that neoconservatism is the idea that evil in the form of human rights abuses must be confronted and not acquiesced to. This is to be contrasted with approaches to foreign policy that have us backing evil nasty dictators who at least are not communist evil nasty dictators.

It is my understanding that neoconservatism is a post modern conservatism that stems from the modern conservative belief that the individual must be free from human rights abuses and government must be kept small in the sense that its powers must not become so great that human rights are violated. This common ground with modern conservatism is expanded in the post modern reaction to the holocaust where this basic conservative approach is no longer a matter for a state and its citizens but becomes a matter for all states and all citizens. Neoconservatism has been the political movement behind the Nuremberg trials and the UN Declaration of human rights. Call me an idiot for being a neocon but I would rather be called an idiot for being a neocon than called the Devil's bedfellow and support dictatorial regimes like North Korea.

Neocons stand up to dictators and recognize that it is a horrible act of cowardice to not stand up for human rights around the world and do whatever it takes to topple dictators.

As I see it you are either a neocon or you are a silent supporter of torture, political prisoners, and prisoners of conscience. I somehow doubt that neocons are stupid for agreeing with me on these points.

Is it Un-American to not be a neocon? I do not think so but if you are anti-neocon you probably are anti-American unless you have a very good reason for your anti-neocon stance. The only one that comes to mind is that someone is a conscientious objector to military service.

Who decides what principles the USA is supposed to stand on?
From where are these principles derived?
Why exactly should a country stand for a certain set of principles and never waver?

Well if you do not understand American principles you really have a lot of history homework ahead of you. If you cannot see the benefit of consistent principals and an unwavering support thereof, I think you have a lot of sociology and political science homework ahead of you.

Neoconservatism has been the political movement behind the Nuremberg trials and the UN Declaration of human rights.
Classical Liberalism is as much responsible, if not more so.

As I see it you are either a neocon or you are a silent supporter of torture, political prisoners, and prisoners of conscience.
False dilemma and, frankly, complete bullshit.

It means you're Pro-Rest-of-the-World?

No that presumes that American interests are not the interests of the rest of the world.

I am a proud neocon. This assumes that what we mean by neoconservatism is the belief that human rights are something that need to be defended at all costs. It is my understanding that neoconservatism is the idea that evil in the form of human rights abuses must be confronted and not acquiesced to. This is to be contrasted with approaches to foreign policy that have us backing evil nasty dictators who at least are not communist evil nasty dictators.

It is my understanding that neoconservatism is a post modern conservatism that stems from the modern conservative belief that the individual must be free from human rights abuses and government must be kept small in the sense that its powers must not become so great that human rights are violated. This common ground with modern conservatism is expanded in the post modern reaction to the holocaust where this basic conservative approach is no longer a matter for a state and its citizens but becomes a matter for all states and all citizens. Neoconservatism has been the political movement behind the Nuremberg trials and the UN Declaration of human rights. Call me an idiot for being a neocon but I would rather be called an idiot for being a neocon than called the Devil's bedfellow and support dictatorial regimes like North Korea.

Neocons stand up to dictators and recognize that it is a horrible act of cowardice to not stand up for human rights around the world and do whatever it takes to topple dictators.

As I see it you are either a neocon or you are a silent supporter of torture, political prisoners, and prisoners of conscience. I somehow doubt that neocons are stupid for agreeing with me on these points.

Is it Un-American to not be a neocon? I do not think so but if you are anti-neocon you probably are anti-American unless you have a very good reason for your anti-neocon stance. The only one that comes to mind is that someone is a conscientious objector to military service.


Your definition of neocon sounds strikingly like a liberal to me. You sure your a neocon? In the view of most, neocons dont give a damn about nonchristian nonamerican life, and even than they dont always care about Americans.

Antiamerican usually means in this country that you dont support the harmful sociopathic policies of George Bush and his lackies.

No that presumes that American interests are not the interests of the rest of the world.
As you seem to be a neocon in the tradition of Leo Strauss, I assume you also share his messianic vision of American global leadership, but from observation of past and present US administrations and the powerful international institutions that are effectively US-controlled (WTO, IMF, etc.) it's obvious that American interests are not the interests of the rest of the world.

Or at least, if they are they're producing some funny results.

the opposite of Pro-American

Your definition of neocon sounds strikingly like a liberal to me. You sure your a neocon? In the view of most, neocons dont give a damn about nonchristian nonamerican life, and even than they dont always care about Americans.

Antiamerican usually means in this country that you dont support the harmful sociopathic policies of George Bush and his lackies.

One of us is obviouly very confused about the definition of neoconservatism. I am not saying I am a 100% convinced that you are the one who is confused. But obviously one of us is.

I am not sure that Bush is a 100% neoconservative but he at least went to war against a dictator with the goal of replacing it with a democratically elected government with constitutional protections of the citizens which is probably the most neoconservative military action the world has ever seen.

Back when Bush was talking about the Axis of Evil he was talking a pretty neocon game. However, his policies have not been 100% neocon.

Bush is not even really all that conservative except for embodying the bad form of conservatism that does not internalize environmental costs. To his credit though, his "ownership society" initiatives have been pretty conservative.

The whole torture thing is about as un-neocon as it comes. It is also unAmerican.

Wow I just came up with a great definition of unAmerican. When your actions and beliefs are outside of American ideals such as liberty and equality to the point where they are really beyond as opposed to merely leaning towards one ideal when different American ideals come into conflict, you are unAmerican.

Back when Bush was talking about the Axis of Evil he was talking a pretty neocon game. However, his policies have not been 100% neocon.
It's more accurate to say he's been surrounded by many neocon advisers, rather than being a neocon himself.

The same thing as "un-American".


un-American, adj. Wicked, intolerable, heathenish.

As you seem to be a neocon in the tradition of Leo Strauss, I assume you also share his messianic vision of American global leadership, but from observation of past and present US administrations and the powerful international institutions that are effectively US-controlled (WTO, IMF, etc.) it's obvious that American interests are not the interests of the rest of the world.

Or at least, if they are they're producing some funny results.

Although I am not sure who L.S. is (was?). I do share the historially American belief that America is a shining city upon the hill. As such we are this great experiment in cosmopolitan democracy that the whole world and history is observing and that if this experiment continues to succeed the world will know that society can be ordered in such a manner that all are equal before the laws that all are equally a part of creating and that even minorities are protected against abuses by the majority. Furthermore, we are an example of the continuing experiment with capitalism and are a testament to the achievements of human potential that economic, religious, philosophical, and political freedom allows to flower and bring forth fruits.

I would not call this Messianic because that sort of implies that the American experiment can bring forth a utopia where there shall no longer be found wickedness or human fraility. Yet I do believe that as long as America is a cosmopolitan, democratic, and capitalist society, all the world will bear witness to its progress and ascendence. I also think that those peoples who have patterned themselves after our ideals have benefitted from them in the sense that they too have experienced progress.

It's more accurate to say he's been surrounded by many neocon advisers, rather than being a neocon himself.

The only truly neocon things Bush has done was fight Al-Qaeda, Saddam Hussein, and the Taliban. I am 100% for him on this.

However, he has pretty much failed as a neocon outside of these exceptions. He has also pretty much failed to even be a conservative. Seriously, the only thing he did that was really conservative was the ownership society reforms. His tax cut was sort of conservative (in Reagan conservative fashion). If it truly was conservative, the tax cut would have been accompanied by reforms to reduce the role and expense of government.

Bill Clinton was even more conservative than Bush in the sense that he pushed welfare reforms. All that Bush ever did was do a little bit of tax cutting, weakly call for minor investments of social security in higher growth investments than bonds, and minor ownership society reforms.

It is my opinion though that a war president is best remembered for their wars and in this sense he was more neocon than most.

Chumblywumbly, how are the WTO and IMF American controlled institutions? Although, i am not an expert on them I think these are international organizations. If you were to suggest instead that institutions such as the Peace Corps, NFL, and Berkshire Hathoway are Amerian institutions, I would agree. I am really baffled though by the WTO and IMF.

Although I am not sure who L.S. is (was?). I do share the historially American belief that America is a shining city upon the hill...
Leo Strauss was, arguably, one of the biggest influences on (US) neoconservative thought. He taught many powerful neocons, including William Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, and shared much of your (IMO unrealistic) enthusiasm for America as a beacon of all that was good and right in the world.

Chumblywumbly, how are the WTO and IMF American controlled institutions? Although, i am not an expert on them I think these are international organizations.
They are indeed international institutions, but that's not to say that they aren't controlled by a single state. For a start the Bretton-Woods system, which was the precursor to all of today's major financial international institutions, was the brainchild of US economists/politicians.

In the case of the IMF, any decision made by said institution must be ratified by an 85% vote of its members. The US has an unparalleled share of 17.11% of the vote, and thus has in effect veto power. If the US wants to, it can block any decision made by the other IMF members.

As to the WTO, it is effectively managed by 'the Quad', a group of states led by the US who aggressively control markets.

Leo Strauss was, arguably, one of the biggest influences on (US) neoconservative thought. He taught many powerful neocons, including William Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, and shared much of your (IMO unrealistic) enthusiasm for America as a beacon of all that was good and right in the world.

America is a beacon of tolerance, hard work, and freedom. These are all good things. I hope that we will soon lead the global struggle to protect nature from abuse.

America is a beacon of tolerance, hard work, and freedom.
Define 'freedom' and 'tolerance'.

Because from where I'm sitting, the US can, at times, be incredibly intolerant and illiberal.

If the true America is OF the "People" than to be Anti-American would to be against the American people.I'm a canadian,but I live close enough to the border that I think most of the truely Anti-Americans,are their own politicians,and corprate excecutives,lining their pockets grinding down the real people..till they can(under the cover of chaos) make their escape unnoticed.
The people of America are a good ,hard working lot,who deserve better than to chose from the lesser of 2 or 3 evils every 4 years.

America is a beacon of tolerance, hard work, and freedom. These are all good things. I hope that we will soon lead the global struggle to protect nature from abuse.



So would a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage be unamerican?

;)

I know there are several, like Southern, Northern (like the New York accent) and then there's the Wisconsin accent that I got accustomed to when I went to Oshkosh for AirVenture. My surprise came from the fact that there appears to be an "American" accent, which I took to mean the whole country, like all of us share one accent.

Even "Southern" and "Northern" are generalizations... People from Western New York sound different than people from Long Island... People in Northern Florida sound different than people in Southern Florida... People in the western part of Virginia sound different than people around the James River, or NOVA (Northern Virginia), or in Tidewater... people in North Carolina sound different than people from South Carolina, who sound different than people from Georgia... People from Arkansas sound different than people from Louisiana or Missouri, hell people from eastern Missouri sound different than people from Western Missouri... and on and on and on...

Being Anti-American means questioning the government, opposing blind nationalism, and thinking indepentently.

Or, to be brief, taking after America's founders.

Being Anti-American means questioning the government, opposing blind nationalism, and thinking indepentently.

Or, to be brief, taking after America's founders.

So true.

Nothing whatsoever. It's propaganda.

That's Anti-American talk!

:p

America is the beacon of freedom, more than any European country.



You had me until you said that. Have you been to Europe?

In most Europian countries, gays can marry. Thats more than most American states can say.

And yes, if you deny gays the right to marry, you are a bigot.

Define 'freedom' and 'tolerance'.

Because from where I'm sitting, the US can, at times, be incredibly intolerant and illiberal.

Wrong

You want to talk about intolerant? Go to the Middle East. Of course, you'll say its their culture to be that way, they want it that way.

Guess what? We want to believe what we want to believe.

Visit San Francisco. Tell me if you think we're intolerant.

We don't allow gay marriage! Oh, God, we're such bigots.

In some Middle Eastern countries, homosexuals aren't just denied the right to marry, they're denied the right to live.

If we're so intolerant, why do we chide at someone for saying the "n-word"?

When it comes to stuff we don't tolerate, well, there are some things you don't need to tolerate.

America is the beacon of freedom, more than any European country.

Is it Un-American to not be a neocon? I do not think so but if you are anti-neocon you probably are anti-American unless you have a very good reason for your anti-neocon stance.

Thank you for lending legitimacy to my snappy quip.

Wrong

You want to talk about intolerant? Go to the Middle East. Of course, you'll say its their culture to be that way, they want it that way.

Guess what? We want to believe what we want to believe.

What do you mean you rape 5 year old girls? You sick fuck. People like you should be fucking shot

You see, it's really poor debating style to make up someone's arguments then try to defeat them as if they said it.

Visit San Francisco. Tell me if you think we're intolerant.

Your argument is one city somehow makes us tolerant? What about the other 49 states?

We don't allow gay marriage! Oh, God, we're such bigots.

Um, yes, actually.

In some Middle Eastern countries, homosexuals aren't just denied the right to marry, they're denied the right to live.

So a rapist is a good person because he's not a murderer and a rapist? What shit argument is that?

If we're so intolerant, why do we chide at someone for saying the "n-word"?

If we're so tolerant, why do we have people who feel the need to say the word "******" as an insult in the first place?

When it comes to stuff we don't tolerate, well, there are some things you don't need to tolerate.

We're tolerant, except for that stuff we don't tolerate...but we don't feel the need to tolerate that shit anyway.

You do realize that's pretty much the definition of intolerance right?

Fail

And what would you say a country doesn't need to tolerate?


He aleady implied it. Gay people.


But hes not a bigot because he doesnt have to tolerate it.:rolleyes:


You realize that that is the very definition of bigotry, right?:headbang:

Wrong

You want to talk about intolerant? Go to the Middle East. Of course, you'll say its their culture to be that way, they want it that way.

Guess what? We want to believe what we want to believe.

Visit San Francisco. Tell me if you think we're intolerant.

We don't allow gay marriage! Oh, God, we're such bigots.

In some Middle Eastern countries, homosexuals aren't just denied the right to marry, they're denied the right to live.

If we're so intolerant, why do we chide at someone for saying the "n-word"?

When it comes to stuff we don't tolerate, well, there are some things you don't need to tolerate.

America is the beacon of freedom, more than any European country.

Just because there's a country full of people with even more draconian social policies doesn't make the United States any less backwards.

And what would you say a country doesn't need to tolerate?

I know. I was hoping I had somehow misunderstood and that he wasn't that horrible a person.



Now your just being intolerant of his intolerance;)

He aleady implied it. Gay people.

I know. I was hoping I had somehow misunderstood and that he wasn't that horrible a person.

You want to talk about intolerant? Go to the Middle East. Of course, you’ll say its their culture to be that way, they want it that way.
I’ll say what now?

It’s best not to assume someone’s argument before they’ve mentioned it, dear. It tends to show how poor at debating one is.

We don’t allow gay marriage! Oh, God, we’re such bigots.
Pretty much...

Certainly it shows intolerance.

In some Middle Eastern countries, homosexuals aren’t just denied the right to marry, they’re denied the right to live.
And this shows how America is a completely tolerant and free country because...?

If we’re so intolerant, why do we chide at someone for saying the “n-word”?
Because the partial elimination of racial intolerance doesn’t necessitate the elimination of all intolerances. See your remarks about gay marriage.

America is the beacon of freedom, more than any European country.
Europe, too, can be pretty intolerant at times. But, again, this doesn’t make the case that the US is devoid of intolerance.

Now your just being intolerant of his intolerance;)

When he said they don't tolerate things that don't need to be tolerated, maybe the untolerated tolerance he was talking about was the tolerance of intolerance.

stay on topic please

I'm usually being called "anti-Amercian" ...
Is that somebody who doesn't like Mercia?

Homosexual must be killed before they brought other to their night mares!!:mp5::mp5:

Still, what I see from here, reading from my newspapers, is that americans aren't tolerant!!

When he said they don't tolerate things that don't need to be tolerated, maybe the untolerated tolerance he was talking about was the tolerance of intolerance.

Well, I don't think that should be tolerated either.

Homosexual must be killed before they brought other to their night mares!!:mp5::mp5:

Still, what I see from here, reading from my newspapers, is that americans aren't tolerant!!

how do i not hypocritical

hypocritical?

Neocons stand up to dictators and recognize that it is a horrible act of cowardice to not stand up for human rights around the world and do whatever it takes to topple dictators.


Speaking of cowardice, nice call on the neocons' part with the selling arms to the Saudis.
Perhaps you're talking out your arse, and you're just reiterating what the pamphlet says?

When he said they don't tolerate things that don't need to be tolerated, maybe the untolerated tolerance he was talking about was the tolerance of intolerance.Sigworthy. :D

Well I have to admit that I have always had a personal bias to think of Americans as a bit superficial, not very deep or authentic, even stupid, but I am sure now most Americans are not like this.

Nothing whatsoever. It's propaganda.

It usually is. Rarely is it used to designate someone who is truly anti-American. Instead, it's used to designate those who aren't drooling sycophants of the Chimpanzee in Chief, Bush.

If you have earned the label, it likely means that it's because you've been identified as an idiot.

Of course mistakes can be made. Often the term will be used by leftists about anyone who doesn't believe in their weird interpretations of the constitution.

What do you need to do or say in order to qualify for the 'anti-american' status, I want a definition of what it means.
You want answers? You want answers? You can't handle the truth!

What do you mean you rape 5 year old girls? You sick fuck. People like you should be fucking shot

Nice flame.

I reported you to the mods, btw.

Nice flame.

I reported you to the mods, btw.

He did the same thing to me, except he said that I enjoyed stimulative interaction with corpses. Funny how he bursts-out like that every once-in-a-while.

He did the same thing to me, except he said that I enjoyed stimulative interaction with corpses. Funny how he bursts-out like that every once-in-a-while.


Did you report him?

Crap like that is intolerable.

Did you report him?

Crap like that is intolerable.

No.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13105184&postcount=254

But I have had worse.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13120204

So would a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage be unamerican?

;)

Arguably.
It was a decision that definitely should not have been made when so many more important issues were holding our attention.

No.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13105184&postcount=254

But I have had worse.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13120204

Da-yum.

TPH: Yes, it is a constant "play" of mine. The purposes against you the same as the purposes here, which the mods seemed to understand (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13408582&postcount=3).

Mainly, pretending that your opponent made an argument he didn't, then arguing against that positions is fallacious at best, offensive at worst. Just as offensive as attacking the poster for saying he rapes 6 year old girls, when he doesn't, and never said that. It was obviously intended not to attack the poster, as it's entirely untrue, rather it's intended to highlight the absurdity of making wild claims about a poster based on...nothing

For me, anyone sick/mad/ or get anything negative when USA/ it's people is mentioned. OR those who want to kill them at the 1st sights...

Well put.

I agree the American Accent (And Australia) is very confusing)

Really?! I don't think so.

Of course mistakes can be made. Often the term will be used by leftists about anyone who doesn't believe in their weird interpretations of the constitution.


Way to show that you dont know anything. Leftists dont use the phrase anti-american, thats a conservative/right wing thing.

Typically its because a leftist doesnt give a crap if you love or hate America. Its right wings that are all wrapped up in patriotism.


Either way, you fail. GTFO.

Wrong

You want to talk about intolerant? Go to the Middle East. Of course, you'll say its their culture to be that way, they want it that way.

Guess what? We want to believe what we want to believe.

Visit San Francisco. Tell me if you think we're intolerant.

We don't allow gay marriage! Oh, God, we're such bigots.

In some Middle Eastern countries, homosexuals aren't just denied the right to marry, they're denied the right to live.

If we're so intolerant, why do we chide at someone for saying the "n-word"?

When it comes to stuff we don't tolerate, well, there are some things you don't need to tolerate.

America is the beacon of freedom, more than any European country.

While what Chumblywumbly said was rather inaccurate, I would hesitate to say the US is more "free" than Europe, at least from a social standpoint. We don't allow gay marriage or rights, after all. Just because we treat gays better than the Middle East doesn't mean we treat them well. Did you watch McCain shoot down that poor guy during the republican debates? But yes, we do have more control over our property and our lives than Europeans, which might be good, unless you're poor.

While what Chumblywumbly said was rather inaccurate...
How so?

As you yourself point out, the US has some pretty intolerant attitudes to certain aspects of society, and with such things as Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot and Protect America Acts, it’s hardly the “beacon of freedom” Holy Paradise claims it to be.

Not that over here’s any better, what with habeus corpus suspended in certain cases, mooted ID cards and longer detention without trial etc...

to be un american is to cast doubt on your ethics and politics. you yanks slag England off as often as you can, and yet, we have had our place at the top table since before you had roads.

them pesky puritans, at it again, remember, we kicked them out... as religious fundamentalists... we should have just executed them, and maybe the idigenous tribes would still be here...

as an Englishman it is not the people of America who are scorned and defamed but your president and the political posturing of your government which deserves derision and ridicule.

we all distrust our governments, and maybe we on the wet side of the pond can make these observations from a point of accurate information. we dont see the world as you do. we dont live in a walled garden as you do.

Well put.



Really?! I don't think so.

1: Of course. that is Anti meant. if it is Un-American, I'll be one. As I am not one of American...

2: Ask a British about it. He will agree to me. Still, Australia's akzen is more confusing. Make me had a headache.

Well, Atlantian Islands just demonstrated beautifully the one can easily be called Anti-American for saying that the USA isn't one of the countries one would want to emmigrate to....

Nice flame.

I reported you to the mods, btw.

How about quoting in context?

What do you mean you rape 5 year old girls? You sick fuck. People like you should be fucking shot

You see, it's really poor debating style to make up someone's arguments then try to defeat them as if they said it.

What do you mean you rape 5 year old girls? You sick fuck. People like you should be fucking shot

You see, it's really poor debating style to make up someone's arguments then try to defeat them as if they said it.
Nice flame.

I reported you to the mods, btw.

How is that a flame? (You'll notice that I quoted the entirety of what he said)
He was rather crudely pointing out the flaw in your post. You need to grow a thicker skin.

Edit: And Neo Art and New Genoa both beat me to the punch