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He is going to a warm place.. just like Pinochet ,Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Stalin, Duvalier, Marcos, etc

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JAKARTA, Indonesia - Former dictator Suharto, an army general who crushed Indonesia's communist movement and pushed aside the country's founding father to usher in 32 years of tough rule that saw up to a million political opponents killed, died Sunday. He was 86.

Suharto, who led a regime widely regarded as one of the 20th century's most brutal and corrupt, has lived a reclusive life in a comfortable villa in downtown Jakarta for the past decade.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080127/ap_on_re_as/indonesia_suharto;_ylt=Ak3hxsww50QvmfmjfsBrvSOs0NUEGood riddance.

I'm curious of the names you gave with him. The only connections between them I can see is United States Support. Is there any other reason you put those names there.

Great man, great man indeed. How else could you escape prosecution and died without any convictions WHILE you lived in the same address.

Now, here's hoping to a more chaotic finger pointing events following Suharto's departure.

I'm curious of the names you gave with him. The only connections between them I can see is United States Support. Is there any other reason you put those names there.

I think it's a list of the former dictators/cleptocrats club member.

I'm curious of the names you gave with him. The only connections between them I can see is United States Support. Is there any other reason you put those names there.

That's just a happy coincidence. :)

I'm curious of the names you gave with him. The only connections between them I can see is United States Support. Is there any other reason you put those names there.
That's just a happy coincidence. :)its a conspiracy against the US Gov *pies LG and the US gov.*
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper333/stills/7p6w4864.jpg

:D :D :p :D

I can't believe this, people are flocking in mourning,... gov't declares a national mourning and orders that flags are to be raised at half mast.

... whoop de doo.

Well, there's still his cleptomanic kids around with their billions the government can't seem to find.

Free Vikings for all!

So many dead famous people this January and not a single one guessed in the Dead Pool 2008 thread. *shakes head*

Good riddance.

Yep.

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?

From what I hear, he oversaw the rise of Indonesia. It's sad that he died. Indonesia prospered under him and has now fallen.

its a conspiracy against the US Gov *pies LG and the US gov.*
You have it all wrong, it's a conspiracy BY the US gov. AGANST LG:eek:

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He is going to a warm place.. just like Pinochet ,Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Duvalier, Marcos, etc

Good riddance.

Agreed. Salvador Allende, Che Guevara, Stalin and Mao will keep him company too.

From what I hear, he oversaw the rise of Indonesia. It's sad that he died. Indonesia prospered under him and has now fallen.

Well that was sadly a mistake,... that "rise" they all say, were nothing more than a charade, a paper tiger, a husk, a facade. You want facts to prove that,... if it were true, the 1997 Asian economic crisis shouldn't have an effect that would almost cripple the local economy.

Prospered? I'd say SOME hand selected people prospered. Facts? Search for the Berkeley Mafia.

Why do I sound like I have foam in my mouth? *goes to gargle*

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?

I am not wanting to support brutal dictatorships here but what if the Communist took over? Would there have been even more dead? Would the Communist left Indonesia in the same condition as it is today with a growing vibrant economy?

Well that was sadly a mistake,... that "rise" they all say, were nothing more than a charade, a paper tiger, a husk, a facade. You want facts to prove that,... if it were true, the 1997 Asian economic crisis shouldn't have an effect that would almost cripple the local economy.

Prospered? I'd say SOME hand selected people prospered. Facts? Search for the Berkeley Mafia.

Why do I sound like I have foam in my mouth? *goes to gargle*

That's like saying the American falling economy shouldn't affect the prospering Canadians...or Europeans.

That's like saying the American falling economy shouldn't affect the prospering Canadians...or Europeans.

Hmmm, not really,... in contrast of other members of ASEAN (excluding the Philippines), Indonesia hasn't really recovered from that blow. Of course though, regional economics (and/or stability) has never been the same ever since that time.

Suffice to say, I wonder how your American analogy could fit in (or against) my comment?

PS : Oh yeah, might I add this little tidbit,... Suharto's regime lasted for 32 years from 1966-1998. The economic crash, or the "fall" happened in 1997. ;)

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?
At the expense of democracy? He killed a very large sum of people. Do you know anything about East Timor.
Communism was only evil in the eyes of the US. The big bogey Russia was evil due to it being a dictatorship run by a nut job, not it's communism (which it really wasn't anyway). Good to see the US education system is still manage to teach it's loyal sheep.

I am not wanting to support brutal dictatorships here but what if the Communist took over? Would there have been even more dead? Would the Communist left Indonesia in the same condition as it is today with a growing vibrant economy?vibrant economy?

one would think you are talking about HongKong, Singapore, Macau, Taiwan, Dubai, S-Kora , China, etc etc

R.I.P., though time is known to be the harshest judge.

Agreed. Salvador Allende, Che Guevara, Stalin and Mao will keep him company too.
And hopefully, quite soon, Castro as well...

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?

Well, I guess being a brutal dictator would do it.

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He is going to a warm place.. just like Pinochet ,Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Stalin, Duvalier, Marcos, etc

Good riddance.

You have forgotten Ayatollah Khomeini... ...

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?Ask the Jews.

Ah, good news for many of my friends :) (who have "Indonesian" roots)

Bad news. Now, any chance to see this monster* judged is gone.

* Yes, I consider him among the worst monsters humanity has produced in the 20th century.

vibrant economy?

one would think you are talking about HongKong, Singapore, Macau, Taiwan, Dubai, S-Kora , China, etc etc

Our definition doesn't always mean others definitions. If you were to look at before and after as a judge then I would say it is better.

Bad news. Now, any chance to see this monster* judged is gone.

* Yes, I consider him among the worst monsters humanity has produced in the 20th century.

Well hopefully he is in front of the ultimate judge.

Our definition doesn't always mean others definitions. If you were to look at before and after as a judge then I would say it is better.almost every single Oil exporting country -in the world- is better than in the 60's

I can't believe this, people are flocking in mourning,... gov't declares a national mourning and orders that flags are to be raised at half mast.

... whoop de doo.

They fly their flags at the bottom of the pole?

How is a man that fought communism a bad person?

Yeah no doubt! (http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/graphics/hitler_fuhrer.jpg)

I find this hilarious....maybe its because im an atheist, but this guy lived a ripe old age and all you guys have against him is "He is burning in hell now..."

Thats the only consolation, too bad there is no hell tho eh?

:) :sniper: