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"I decided to try it because I thought all of the TV shows were lies, but turns out I was wrong," Gavin said.

This reminds me of the College student who saw a movie and tried to emulate the scene where the plebes were lying on the stripe in the middle of the road.

I remember his parents saying "he's such a bright and intelligent student..."

maybe it's because I am sleepy, but those kids are too old to be so fucking stupid.

I blame Bush.

This reminds me of the College student who saw a movie and tried to emulate the scene where the plebes were lying on the stripe in the middle of the road.

I remember his parents saying "he's such a bright and intelligent student..."

I believe the stunt was from Jackass The Movie.

I blame technology.

Back in the days of ice trays (before ice-makers) your hands would stick to the tray pretty solid when moist - you'd probably leave your tongue off metal poles. :p

I blame "A Christmas Story"! :p

"I blame the media blamers"-Dale Gribble (King of the Hill)

And so do I.

I believe the stunt was from Jackass The Movie.

nah, it was in the late 80's early 90's.

it was before or around the time I first moved. :D

maybe it's because I am sleepy, but those kids are too old to be so fucking stupid.

I blame Bush.

but... but... smunkee... stupidity knows no age limit!

Check the Darwin Awards for proof! :p

nah, it was in the late 80's early 90's.

it was before or around the time I first moved. :D

The Program (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEED7123AF93AA25753C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all)? That's what I could find. I too remember that controversy...so overblown.

I believe the stunt was from Jackass The Movie.

The Program (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CEED7123AF93AA25753C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all)? That's what I could find. I too remember that controversy...so overblown.

Thats the one. They removed the scene while it was still in theaters. I was a projectionist at the time, I wish I could say that I simply removed the scene from the return print and inserted it back into the 'new' print, but I didn't handle the exchange.

But I had the same reaction. "My son was smart..." I beg to differ. I'm not generally one to laugh at someones loss, and I'm not necessarily doing that here. I don't think he 'deserves' to die because he didn't learn the whole 'not playing in traffic' thing earlier, but laying in the middle of the road does, I think, prohibit the use of the word 'smart' or 'intelligent' from his description. It's a shame he had to die, but for fucks sake...

Thats the one. They removed the scene while it was still in theaters. I was a projectionist at the time, I wish I could say that I simply removed the scene from the return print and inserted it back into the 'new' print, but I didn't handle the exchange.

But I had the same reaction. "My son was smart..." I beg to differ. I'm not generally one to laugh at someones loss, and I'm not necessarily doing that here. I don't think he 'deserves' to die because he didn't learn the whole 'not playing in traffic' thing earlier, but laying in the middle of the road does, I think, prohibit the use of the word 'smart' or 'intelligent' from his description. It's a shame he had to die, but for fucks sake...

Do you know if you can still watch "The Program" with that scene included?

Anyway, I agree- you have to be pretty stupid to lie in the middle of any road let alone a busy highway and as unfortunate as the result was, the teens paid for their stupidity. Unfortunately they won't be able to learn from it- at least the kids who stuck their tongues to the flagpole will get that chance.

I do wonder where the parents are in all this...aren't they able to tell their kids "sticking your tongue on a flagpole" or "lying in the middle of a highway" is stupid? Don't these kids ever get told "movies are not real"? You really have to wonder if the stupidity doesn't go both ways.

Do you know if you can still watch "The Program" with that scene included?


Since it was changed while it was still in theaters I'm guessing not. And it's not a likely candidate for the 'directors cut' treatment...

Since it was changed while it was still in theaters I'm guessing not. And it's not a likely candidate for the 'directors cut' treatment...

:( Guess I got to hit up YouTube or the download circuit...

I blame innate human curiosity.

Ever do something where you knew it wasn't a good idea but you just had to do it yourself and see what it was like?
Yup. That thing.

Quick, someone show him the episode of Drawn Together where Captain Hero fucks a garbage disposal. Save the gene pool.

Don't these kids ever get told "movies are not real"?

That was the reason they did it. the kids thought all the movies and tv shows lied...

"The nurse asked them, 'OK, who double-dog dared who?"' Billie Dempsey said, a reference to a phrase that a character in the movie used to dare another child to stick his tongue to the pole.

best nurse ever...

I blame innate human curiosity.

Ever do something where you knew it wasn't a good idea but you just had to do it yourself and see what it was like?
Yup. That thing.

no, I always found someone stupider than me to do it.

That was the reason they did it. the kids thought all the movies and tv shows lied...

So we should tell our children that what they see on tv is real, and everything that happens in there happens out here too.

I blame innate human curiosity.

Ever do something where you knew it wasn't a good idea but you just had to do it yourself and see what it was like?
Yup. That thing.

There is that. The type of curiosity you're referring to is what leads to this conversation:

PARENT: Why did you (stick your tongue on the flagpole, try to defrost a burrito on the heater vent and turn the thermostat up to 85F, jump off the garage roof with a towel-cape...etc.)?

CHILD: I don't know.

I remember that kind of curiosity, and it is indeed that kind that occasionally kills the cat. I'm not saying it's "necessary" like some of the faux passive eugenicists posting here who claim it thins the herd, but it does happen.

Click Stand;13402652']So we should tell our children that what they see on tv is real, and everything that happens in there happens out here too.

:rolleyes: No.

We should start telling our children that the world doesn't work in absolutes and that they should think about consequences before doing things. It's as simple as "what do you think [key word there] would happen if you tried that stunt in the movie? Do you think the people who made the movie really went out into a real highway and did that?" You could explain about special situations like movie sets without speaking over the head of any imitative young kid.

If all you do to a child is speak to them in absolutes, they will wind up decidedly inflexible themselves. The world has enough extremists.

Click Stand;13402652']So we should tell our children that what they see on tv is real, and everything that happens in there happens out here too.

that is a problem XD


damn these kids for messing up absolutes!

I blaim the internets.

Damn you Gore, look at what you've done!

:D

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Gee, this movie says if I get shot in the head, it will hurt me!
BLAM!

....at least we could have offered that rocket scientist a Darwin award...

the problem is not that parents havent sat down with the kids and listed every stupid dangerous thing they might ever do in their lives. the problem is in the brains of teens.

teens dont realize that "stuff that can kill you" can kill THEM. they go with the impulse to do "cool stuff" that is obviously dangerous with the assumption that nothing bad will happen to them.

its the rare adult who never did anything that could have resulted in death. we just werent the unlucky ones who got the bad consequence.

You're right, of course, but you needn't list every possible occurrence to a child (what child would listen to a list like that, anyway?). A simple and constant admonishment to "think before you act" is what kept me from things like looking down the barrel of a gun before discovering if it was loaded, and playing with matches.

There is that. The type of curiosity you're referring to is what leads to this conversation:

PARENT: Why did you (stick your tongue on the flagpole, try to defrost a burrito on the heater vent and turn the thermostat up to 85F, jump off the garage roof with a towel-cape...etc.)?

CHILD: I don't know.


You mean, like: (inside 9-year-old SoWiBi's head) "I wonder what happens when I close my eyes and keep riding my bike.." Cue crashing head-on into a lamppost several seconds later.

...I only answered the question in your post correctly roughly 6 years later, because even with my obviously reduced brain capacity that one day I was immediately able to grasp that giving my original thoughts/intentions with that act was not gonna win me any cookie..

Do you know if you can still watch "The Program" with that scene included?

Anyway, I agree- you have to be pretty stupid to lie in the middle of any road let alone a busy highway and as unfortunate as the result was, the teens paid for their stupidity. Unfortunately they won't be able to learn from it- at least the kids who stuck their tongues to the flagpole will get that chance.

I do wonder where the parents are in all this...aren't they able to tell their kids "sticking your tongue on a flagpole" or "lying in the middle of a highway" is stupid? Don't these kids ever get told "movies are not real"? You really have to wonder if the stupidity doesn't go both ways.

the problem is not that parents havent sat down with the kids and listed every stupid dangerous thing they might ever do in their lives. the problem is in the brains of teens.

teens dont realize that "stuff that can kill you" can kill THEM. they go with the impulse to do "cool stuff" that is obviously dangerous with the assumption that nothing bad will happen to them.

its the rare adult who never did anything that could have resulted in death. we just werent the unlucky ones who got the bad consequence.

You mean, like: (inside 9-year-old SoWiBi's head) "I wonder what happens when I close my eyes and keep riding my bike.." Cue crashing head-on into a lamppost several seconds later.

...I only answered the question in your post correctly roughly 6 years later, because even with my obviously reduced brain capacity that one day I was immediately able to grasp that giving my original thoughts/intentions with that act was not gonna win me any cookie..

I found that antics while cycling made up a sizable portion of this kind of potentially painful curiosity. *sighs* The good old days.

Another problem today, honestly, is that we don't allow children to learn from mistakes or face consequences.

Now, I am NOT saying we should let kids get seriously hurt, but really... we spend so much time making everything so child safe and child friendly, we never allow kids to get into the MINOR scrapes that taught us a modicum of sense when we were small.

And when they do get into trouble, the first instinct of most parents is to make it go away rather than have the child face the consequences. If your kid wrote all over his desk at school, then YES, he should have to take soap and water and wash it off. If your kid plagiarized her entire research paper from the 'net after having been told a) what plagiarism is and b) the consequence for it will be failng, then don't come up begging for a second chance -- let them take their lumps.

I guarantee that kids will be more inclined to think a little about their actions if they've had to deal with the (physical or emotional) scrapes, bumps, and bruises previous mistakes gave them.

I think Kids should go on a course of extreme fitness training, facing near-death experiences, and have to live in the wild, then maybe their curiosity might be slaked.
I always wanted to do crazy stuff, hell maybe i will if i see one more form to fill in about houses or applications, i might just paint myself blue and go para-gliding over Edinburgh, for the hell of it.

I found that antics while cycling made up a sizable portion of this kind of potentially painful curiosity. *sighs* The good old days.

geeez kids and bikes!

how many trips to the emergency rooms came about from trying to set up a really cool ramp?

:D

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325845,00.htmlAh hell, they were 4th graders? I made that mistake before I started school.

Another problem today, honestly, is that we don't allow children to learn from mistakes or face consequences.

Now, I am NOT saying we should let kids get seriously hurt, but really... we spend so much time making everything so child safe and child friendly, we never allow kids to get into the MINOR scrapes that taught us a modicum of sense when we were small.

And when they do get into trouble, the first instinct of most parents is to make it go away rather than have the child face the consequences. If your kid wrote all over his desk at school, then YES, he should have to take soap and water and wash it off. If your kid plagiarized her entire research paper from the 'net after having been told a) what plagiarism is and b) the consequence for it will be failng, then don't come up begging for a second chance -- let them take their lumps.

I guarantee that kids will be more inclined to think a little about their actions if they've had to deal with the (physical or emotional) scrapes, bumps, and bruises previous mistakes gave them.
See, this is why you are a good teacher, Kat, because you understand child psychology. I wish I had you as a teacher while I was growing up.

(Of course, back then, you'd have been in your early twenties, if not a teenager, so it wouldn't have happened.)

the problem is not that parents havent sat down with the kids and listed every stupid dangerous thing they might ever do in their lives. the problem is in the brains of teens.

teens dont realize that "stuff that can kill you" can kill THEM. they go with the impulse to do "cool stuff" that is obviously dangerous with the assumption that nothing bad will happen to them.

its the rare adult who never did anything that could have resulted in death. we just werent the unlucky ones who got the bad consequence.

I wouldn't expect parents to explain to their children about every possible malady that could befall them- that's impossible. What *is* possible is that after seeing a movie with their children, the parents can tell their children what they saw on the screen isn't real and that what they see on TV or in the movies in general isn't real. The concept of fiction on the small or big screens isn't that hard to grasp for people of any age, and when they're that young blanket statements will be enough to do the trick.

I do agree that teens are impulsive and do a lot of crazy things, but most are able to check their impulses before they go too far. Do you honestly think that every teen that saw that part of "The Program" went out and lied on the middle of the road? If they did, we'd be short a few million people and that didn't happen. Besides, even a teen should be able to understand fiction, how movies are made and that certain stunts require certain abilities and circumstances- those that don't simply were not educated properly.

That was the reason they did it. the kids thought all the movies and tv shows lied...

Really? Can you quantify that?

"And I suppose you could call this story, 'barely newsworthy...'

And to think that Dumb & Dumber has been around for 13/14 years...

"Oh look! Frost! Gnnng"

And to think that Dumb & Dumber has been around for 13/14 years...

"Oh look! Frost! Gnnng"

Dude, you're back! :D

And to think that Dumb & Dumber has been around for 13/14 years...

"Oh look! Frost! Gnnng"

Haha...I thought of that scene when I opened this thread...

I still say that kids always have done stupid things since the dawn of time, always will. Now we just have TV to blame and inspire.
It just used to be "I wonder if I can outdo Timmy's last stunt..." or "Gee, that looks like a really high place, I'm bored, lets try jumping off it!"

Dude, you're back! :D
Oh, I've been around ever once in a while. ;)

It's just that I've been busy busy busy... and thus keeping my postings to daytime.
Haha...I thought of that scene when I opened this thread...
It's a classic! :D

Oh, I've been around ever once in a while. ;)

It's just that I've been busy busy busy... and thus keeping my postings to daytime.

Explains why I haven't seen you around, then.

I think I'm going to stick my tongue to a lamp pole, because I saw the kids in the news try. I assume what they say is a lie.

If you live in a winter climate, it's in your nature to lick a flag pole, or in my case, a chain link fence. *nods*

If you live in a winter climate, it's in your nature to lick a flag pole, or in my case, a chain link fence. *nods*

I licked a pole on a playground in elementary school.

Click Stand;13409307']I licked a pole on a playground in elementary school.

I licked the chain link fence because I felt like it! I wasn't even dared! :p

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Become frivolous, impulse consumers?

"I blame the media blamers"-Dale Gribble (King of the Hill)

And so do I.

"You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society." - Moe (the bartender) Szyslak

Another problem today, honestly, is that we don't allow children to learn from mistakes or face consequences.

yes they clearly have failed their duties as flag workers and should be flogged like the good old days :p

who says I'm only in it for the perversion!