NationStates Jolt Archive


Hillary seems a bit worried...

Sel Appa
26-01-2008, 03:31
She wants Michigan's and Florida's delegates reinstated even though they violated rules. She won Michigan and might win Florida. I wonder why she wants them reinstated. I'm sure if Obama was set to win, she wouldn't be saying a word. Could someone please take a dive for this country...

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080126/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_dispute_dc)

ROCK HILL, South Carolina (Reuters) - Sen. Hillary Clinton, in an about-face, said on Friday she wants the Democratic Party delegates in two states that were barred by the national party to be reinstated and counted in the race to determine the party's U.S. presidential nominee.

In those states, Michigan and Florida, Clinton could stake claim to nearly all the delegates to the nominating convention in question -- more than 350.

She was the only candidate on the Democratic ballot in Michigan and holds a strong lead in Florida, which holds its contest on Tuesday.

The national party eliminated the delegates from Michigan and Florida because the states broke party rules by holding primary voting contests before February 5. But just four days before Florida's primary, Clinton said she wants the delegates reinstated.

"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."

To become the Democratic nominee in the November election, a candidate must collect a majority of more than 2,000 delegates by competing in state contests around the nation.

Because Michigan and Florida violated the rules, all the major Democratic candidates pledged not to campaign there before their primaries.

Clinton said she did not think she was violating that agreement.

"I think it's important we send a message to the people of Michigan and Florida that Democrats care about their lives and their futures, and I will certainly do everything I can to be a good president for them," she said.

In Michigan, Clinton won the primary after the other major candidates pulled their names from the ballot. Polls show she holds a strong lead in Florida, where all the candidates are on the ballot.

A spokesman for her chief rival, Sen. Barack Obama, accused Clinton of changing course.

"Senator Clinton's own campaign has repeatedly said that this is a contest for delegates, and Florida is a contest that offers zero," campaign manager David Plouffe said in a statement.

"Whether it is Barack Obama's record, her position on Social Security, or even the meaning of the Florida primary, it seems like Hillary Clinton will do or say anything to win an election," he said.

The Democratic and Republican parties penalized the early voting states in an attempt to gain control over an increasingly chaotic primary calendar, in which states were vying to hold their contests earlier and earlier.

The Democrats allowed early contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.
Knights of Liberty
26-01-2008, 03:34
She knows that no on sane wants to vote for her.

Shes freaking out.
Kyronea
26-01-2008, 03:41
Ohoho...devilish laugh.

She's worried, is she? GOOD. She'd better be.

Furthermore, I don't want Michigan and Florida's delegates reinstated, mainly because they'd all go to her. It's unfair to Obama and the other candidates. If the primaries hadn't been held yet and Obama and the others could be put back on the ballots, then I'd not have a problem with it, but with her by default taking them all already...nuh uh. Too late.
Cannot think of a name
26-01-2008, 03:56
That's no soap on Michigan, most of the candidates took their name off the ballet. You can't change that rule after the fact. I mean, I guess points for trying, doesn't hurt to ask. All she loses in the "Really? Now you want that since you're the only one on the ticket?" she'll make up in the appearance that she's the one that wants every vote to count, something that is a Democratic sticking point since 2000 for some reason...
Kyronea
26-01-2008, 04:26
That's no soap on Michigan, most of the candidates took their name off the ballet. You can't change that rule after the fact. I mean, I guess points for trying, doesn't hurt to ask. All she loses in the "Really? Now you want that since you're the only one on the ticket?" she'll make up in the appearance that she's the one that wants every vote to count, something that is a Democratic sticking point since 2000 for some reason...

How unfortunate that she will get away with that sort of thing, too. People won't see this for what it is. It's her delegate grabbing, trying to hold on, nothing more.
Sel Appa
26-01-2008, 05:19
And this was somewhat predicted that a candidate might ignore the DNC ruling, which should be an automatic blocking of the nom IMO.
Celtlund II
26-01-2008, 05:32
Only one thing to say about Hillary:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif
OceanDrive2
26-01-2008, 05:51
Only one thing to say about Hillary:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif

you are trying to insult the Communist party.. aren't you? :D
Kyronea
26-01-2008, 06:05
Only one thing to say about Hillary:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif

...

What did I tell you, Celt? I told you that poster is ridiculous. It's stupid. She's not even remotely communist. She's far closer to fascism than communism, in fact.

Please, please, PLEASE just use that altered version you made once!
Sel Appa
26-01-2008, 06:48
...

What did I tell you, Celt? I told you that poster is ridiculous. It's stupid. She's not even remotely communist. She's far closer to fascism than communism, in fact.

Please, please, PLEASE just use that altered version you made once!

Yeah I take offense...and Communism wasn't defeated.
Free Soviets
26-01-2008, 06:55
Only one thing to say about Hillary:

so exactly how many times have people patiently explained the idiocy of that to you?
Black Imperium
26-01-2008, 06:57
...and Communism wasn't defeated.

Ie China and Cuba.
Wilgrove
26-01-2008, 07:03
Ie China and Cuba.

Don't forget N. Korea.
United Concordia
26-01-2008, 07:52
*Looks at PR of China, Cuba, DPRK*. So, communism is good. It makes for rich nations with good standards of living and always turns out the way it works on paper.

*Looks at rest of nations in world.* And you thought I was being scarcastic!
Gauthier
26-01-2008, 08:23
Don't forget N. Korea.

Don't forget Uncle Vlad is slowly setting back the clock on Russia as well.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
26-01-2008, 08:40
http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif

Must... not... use... gun smilie. Seriously, how is she a communist again?
OceanDrive2
26-01-2008, 09:07
Only one thing to say about Hillary:

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gifso exactly how many times have people patiently explained the idiocy of that to you?at least a dozen times..
Sel Appa
27-01-2008, 02:32
*Looks at PR of China, Cuba, DPRK*. So, communism is good. It makes for rich nations with good standards of living and always turns out the way it works on paper.

*Looks at rest of nations in world.* And you thought I was being scarcastic!

Only Cuba...is socialistic/communist. China is authoritarian/totalitarian. NK is totalitarian absolute communism.

Don't forget Uncle Vlad is slowly setting back the clock on Russia as well.

He's not Communist.
Mumakata dos
27-01-2008, 22:24
She wants Michigan's and Florida's delegates reinstated even though they violated rules. She won Michigan and might win Florida. I wonder why she wants them reinstated. I'm sure if Obama was set to win, she wouldn't be saying a word. Could someone please take a dive for this country...

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080126/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_dispute_dc)

This is typical clintonian behavior. Whatever it takes to win. Screw ethics, morals, leaglity.