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A strange thought has just occurred to me, what public bog should gay men be using?

I'm gonna put my neck on the line say the womens loo.

there sexes toilet (though by all means you could use whatever if you don't mind the looks I suppose)

I wouldn't like to see a lesbian use a urinal thank you :eek:

Wow, how astonishingly unoriginal and lame.

"LOL GAY MEN ARE WOMENZ! THEY SHOULD PEE WITH TEH GURLS!"

Wow, how astonishingly unoriginal and lame.

"LOL GAY MEN ARE WOMENZ! THEY SHOULD PEE WITH TEH GURLS!"

Nope once again Bottle your second guessing of my motives are wrong.

People with a penis should use the mens room.

but mens rooms are filthy!

The men's one, of course. It's not as though straight guys don't look anyway.

People with a penis should use the mens room.
In fact, the public "curls" in Amsterdam are even somewhat renowned as being a meetingplace for gays.

Nope once again Bottle your second guessing of my motives are wrong.
I'm not guessing at your motives. The "question" you raised is a lame and unoriginal question. You might be doing it for any number of reasons, but it still remains a lame and unoriginal suggestion.

The men's one, of course. It's not as though straight guys don't look anyway.

They don't?

I try to avoid public toilets, as loads of them are just minging, e.g. Locks broken, dirty facilities. I don't mind Graffiti, it's something to read if you're bored or even correct if you're up to the task.

but mens rooms are filthy!

True. Otoh there is no line.

I'm not guessing at your motives. The "question" you raised is a lame and unoriginal question. You might be doing it for any number of reasons, but it still remains a lame and unoriginal suggestion.

Lame an unoriginal, well like most other threads here you mean? Anyhow that is not what I mean, I mean you LOL comment.

It insinuates what you think my thought was, and what it does insinuate is wrong.

The men's one, of course. It's not as though straight guys don't look anyway.

Keep your eyes firmly on the road mate.



As for the OP: What is with the assumption from straight guys that just because a guy is gay he must definitely want to jump him from behind as soon as his back is turned?

Why do you think gays have to use the womens toilet? And wouldn't it be more effective if all people with a penis use a urinal and people who prefer to sit down while they pee use a toilet. This way waiting times are reduced.

True. Otoh there is no line.

I've always wondered if we could just knock down the wall and have one giant toilet for all (the downside is you could never get to the mirror and peeing on the seat could get you killed:p)

and there should be those perfume spray things all over the place

Keep your eyes firmly on the road mate.



As for the OP: What is with the assumption from straight guys that just because a guy is gay he must definitely want to jump him from behind as soon as his back is turned?

Heh and what is with the assumption, that I assume such a thing?

So to stop that kind of assumption going any further let me state my reason for asking this question, by asking another.

Why do men not normally use the womens toilet?

People with a penis should use the mens room.
In fact, the public "curls" in Amsterdam are even somewhat renowned as being a meetingplace for gays.

Hah as they seem to be the world over I would say.

Bogs? Everyone should use peat bogs. :confused:

I've always wondered if we could just knock down the wall and have one giant toilet for all (the downside is you could never get to the mirror and peeing on the seat could get you killed:p)

and there should be those perfume spray things all over the place

Oh dear, do you know how bad the smell would be? The increased risk of various diseases? Typhus, Malaria, Cholera to name only a few, i wouldn't envy the people who have to clean the toilet up afterward though. *shudders*

Why do men not normally use the womens toilet?

Mostly the womens toilet is full and you'd have to wait, in the mens toilet everything goes faster, mainly because urinals don't take up so much place so there are mostly double the amount of urinals as there are toilets in the womens toilets. But at my university for instance there are many girls who use the mens toilet because most men prefer to use the urinals and otherwise the normal toilets wouldn't be used and those girls would have to wait a long time in the womens toilet.

Mostly the womens toilet is full and you'd have to wait, in the mens toilet everything goes faster, mainly because urinals don't take up so much place so there are mostly double the amount of urinals as there are toilets in the womens toilets. But at my university for instance there are many girls who use the mens toilet because most men prefer to use the urinals and otherwise the normal toilets wouldn't be used and those girls would have to wait a long time in the womens toilet.

So that then could be countered by having both urinals and cubicles in both toilets I guess or doing away with both and having one large unisex bog. Would that make women sharing a toilet with men feel any more comfortable I wonder?

The men's one, of course. It's not as though straight guys don't look anyway.

I don't...:confused:

So that then could be countered by having both urinals and cubicles in both toilets I guess or doing away with both and having one large unisex bog. Would that make women sharing a toilet with men feel any more comfortable I wonder?

I prefer not to share a toilet with anyone if I'm using it. But in a pub I regularly visit there is only one toilet with two cubicles and three urinals for everybody, it isn't uncomfortable or weird. And what does this have to do with gays?

I prefer not to share a toilet with anyone if I'm using it. But in a pub I regularly visit there is only one toilet with two cubicles and three urinals for everybody, it isn't uncomfortable or weird. And what does this have to do with gays?

Its an equality thing. Like I asked why are men normally not allowed to use a womans loo, and what would normally be the reaction to a man that did walk into a womans loo?

but mens rooms are filthy!

Women can be just as bad.

Well, let me ask this of the OP. I have a penis but I can't stand up to use a urinal. Should I use the women's toilet?

Are you gay or straight?

A strange thought has just occurred to me, what public bog should gay men be using?

I'm gonna put my neck on the line say the womens loo.

You really should put more substance in your OP if you don't want to have people making faulty assumptions about it. Explaining it in the 2nd page doesn't really cut it, and even after reading it all, I'm still not sure what you're getting at.

Well, let me ask this of the OP. I have a penis but I can't stand up to use a urinal. Should I use the women's toilet?

Straight.

Then I would say mens.

You really should put more substance in your OP if you don't want to have people making faulty assumptions about it. Explaining it in the 2nd page doesn't really cut it, and even after reading it all, I'm still not sure what you're getting at.

Ahhh I typed litraly as the thought occurred.

Are you gay or straight?

Straight. This more or less confirms two things:

1) I don't know what Bottle may or may not have assumed about your intention with this ridiculous suggestion of yours, but my assumption was that you wanted to gays to use the women's toilet to keep them from raping straight guys.

2) Your sarcasm meter is broken.

You've consistently failed to explain why sexual orientation should even be a consideration in this.

I could also ask the reverse question of: Which toilet should lesbians use? It's equally nonsensical and has nothing to do with which toilet should women use?

Or, why do women not normally use the men's room?

Straight. This more or less confirms two things:

1) I don't know what Bottle may or may not have assumed about your intention with this ridiculous suggestion of yours, but my assumption was that you wanted to gays to use the women's toilet to keep them from raping straight guys.

2) Your sarcasm meter is broken.

1)Your assumption is wrong, ohh and it was a question, not a suggestion.

2) I'm British my sarcasm meter can never be broken.

You've consistently failed to explain why sexual orientation should even be a consideration in this.

I could also ask the reverse question of: Which toilet should lesbians use? It's equally nonsensical and has nothing to do with which toilet should women use?

Or, why do women not normally use the men's room?

Consistently? Ohhh you mean twice.

Indeed it is valid, why do women not normally use the mens loo?

Its an equality thing. Like I asked why are men normally not allowed to use a womans loo, and what would normally be the reaction to a man that did walk into a womans loo?

I think most women would look a little bit weird, but wouldn't really mind if he had a good reason (the mens loo was broken for instance)

I think most women would look a little bit weird, but wouldn't really mind if he had a good reason (the mens loo was broken for instance)

Then why even have different loos for different genders?

Then why even have different loos for different genders?

I don't know, tradition? because some people would make a big deal out of it? government conspiracy? the illuminati?

Then why even have different loos for different genders?

How does this have anything to do with sexuality?

How does this have anything to do with sexuality?

How does it not? Why are mens an womens toilet's separated?

I don't know, tradition? because some people would make a big deal out of it? government conspiracy? the illuminati?

Yeah I'm thinking of the second option. Some people would make a big deal of it, on what grounds?

How does it not? Why are mens an womens toilet's separated?

They are based on sex, not sexuality. Maybe you should also read the wiki on toilets, they seem to have a whole topic on gender and public toilets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Gender_and_public_toilets), on one handy page together with other essential information on toilets and everything toilet-like.

Yeah I'm thinking of the second option. Some people would make a big deal of it, on what grounds?

Meh, some people make a big deal out of everything. They just seem to have an irrational affection for tradition, especially if these traditions are about sex, toilets, the human body etc etc.

Consistently? Ohhh you mean twice.

Indeed it is valid, why do women not normally use the mens loo?

I'm not one to care about which loo to use (I use the men's, because there are urinals there), but so far, I think Bottle pretty much hit your reasoning on the spot, because you haven't provided one yourself.

They are based on sex, not sexuality. Maybe you should also read the wiki on toilets, they seem to have a whole topic on gender and public toilets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Gender_and_public_toilets), on one handy page together with other essential information on toilets and everything toilet-like.



Meh, some people make a big deal out of everything. They just seem to have an irrational affection for tradition, especially if these traditions are about sex, toilets, the human body etc etc.

Heh I can see that you don't want to bite, well fair doo's then.

I'm not one to care about which loo to use (I use the men's, because there are urinals there), but so far, I think Bottle pretty much hit your reasoning on the spot, because you haven't provided one yourself.

Naaa she missed the point completely, I have already said that twice now.

What I'm after is an answer to the question of why we have separate loo's? Nobody wants to play fair though.:(

Well, there are several reasons why there are different toilets for different genders, as have already been pointed out. However I would like to add one which I deem important.
For any parent whose little girl wants to go to the toilet, I am sure the thought of them parading past a row of men with their genitals hanging out would send shivers down their spine.

Like everyone else, however, I fail to see what this has to do with sexuality. In the OP, gays are specifically targeted which makes the topic about sexual orientation and not gender.

Men use the mens toilet.
Women use the womens toilet.

Gay men use the mens toilet.
Gay women use the womens toilet.

Transgender.... hmm, thats a grey area.

Heh I can see that you don't want to bite, well fair doo's then.

Ok, let me put it this way. Public bathrooms probably date back from a time where the human body, and everything associated with it (excretion in this instance) was considered evil/sinful, whatnot. In that backwards time people probably thought that even seeing the body of a person of the opposite sex would surely be a straight way to hell, (that's why they swum with their clothes on etc) or at least lead to sin.
Nowadays we know better, the human body isn't really considered the tool of the devil anymore and we surely know that seeing a bodypart of the body of someone from the opposite sex won't lead to sin. So contrary to what some people think, it wouldn't lead to the end of society as we know it to pee next to someone from the opposite gender or next to a gay. Therefore there isn't really any reason to separate toilets based on gender let alone based on sexuality. (apart from the fact that people are used to separating toilets that way, and it doesn't really harm anyone, so why change now?)

Naaa she missed the point completely, I have already said that twice now.

What I'm after is an answer to the question of why we have separate loo's? Nobody wants to play fair though.:(

Shall I bite - I'm guessing this is something about privacy, possibly something about proving that people view public toilets as private places.

I'm not sure what relevance it has to some extent - is it that chatting someone up in a public bathroom is different to doing so in a bar or at a bus stop.

However, I could be wrong.

Anyway, bite taken, where you going with this?

Ha. Likely stories. :p

Uh, I hate to break it to you, but most guys I know do NOT look at each other's junk when using the urinals. In fact, no one I know does that.

Ok, let me put it this way. Public bathrooms probably date back from a time where the human body, and everything associated with it (excretion in this instance) was considered evil/sinful, whatnot. In that backwards time people probably thought that even seeing the body of a person of the opposite sex would surely be a straight way to hell, (that's why they swum with their clothes on etc) or at least lead to sin.
Nowadays we know better, the human body isn't really considered the tool of the devil anymore and we surely know that seeing a bodypart of the body of someone from the opposite sex won't lead to sin. So contrary to what some people think, it wouldn't lead to the end of society as we know it to pee next to someone from the opposite gender or next to a gay. Therefore there isn't really any reason to separate toilets based on gender let alone based on sexuality. (apart from the fact that people are used to separating toilets that way, and it doesn't really harm anyone, so why change now?)

Uh, how 'bout we just leave it the way it is? Nothing wrong with the system currently.

They don't?

Keep your eyes firmly on the road mate.

I don't...:confused:Ha. Likely stories. :p

Uh, how 'bout we just leave it the way it is? Nothing wrong with the system currently.

well yeah, that's why I ended with "so why change now?"

well yeah, that's why I ended with "so why change now?"

Then we agree!

Shall I bite - I'm guessing this is something about privacy, possibly something about proving that people view public toilets as private places.

I'm not sure what relevance it has to some extent - is it that chatting someone up in a public bathroom is different to doing so in a bar or at a bus stop.

However, I could be wrong.

Anyway, bite taken, where you going with this?

Where I was going with this has more to do with equality than mostly anything else. Iwas waiting for somebody to say that men don't use womens bogs, coz on the whole women don't want men in their trying to look at their bits, or chating them up, or even plain old 'I don't want no man hearing me shit' whatever, but I was lookig for the sexual conertation.

It seems though we are all far too liberal here and man and woman alike would actualy welcome unisex loo's!

So for the sake of equality, if a woman would not man in a female toilet because of the chance of unwanted sexual attention, then it is only fair to treat gay men in the same way.

well yeah, that's why I ended with "so why change now?"

Or why not? If it is not an issue then why carry on with this outdated crap? Isn't it better to move forward and shake off meaningless traditions, easpecialy if they further segregate the sexes?

I am a straight guy, but if I were really in a pinch I would go to the gals' loo. The distinction meant nothing at a place where I used to work- People completely ignored the signs. These were, though, one-toilet washrooms, so they were totally private anyway. At the office building where I currently work, a female colleague of mine has noticed someone in a skirt in the next stall over standing and facing the toilet to use it. Based on that anecdote, my guess is that if people are obsessed with keeping washrooms separate (Something understandable I suppose, considering how many women (And a few men) I know become very touchy when it comes to W.C. privacy), perhaps guys should only use the ladies' room if they are cross-dressing, too... Unless of course there is the aforementioned bladder-bursting-while-the-guys'-room-has-a-queue emergency, in which case anything goes.

Or why not? If it is not an issue then why carry on with this outdated crap? Isn't it better to move forward and shake off meaningless traditions, easpecialy if they further segregate the sexes?

There are far more important things segregating the sexes at the moment, and I really think not a lot of people mind that kind of segregation. What would be bad though is forcing gays to go to the girls-toilet.

There are far more important things segregating the sexes at the moment, and I really think not a lot of people mind that kind of segregation. What would be bad though is forcing gays to go to the girls-toilet.

Bad? why? Naaa I don't mean that. Look it was just a strange thought that occoured to me. I'm sorta prone to them.

Naaa she missed the point completely, I have already said that twice now.
But you never did get around to saying what your point WAS.

What I'm after is an answer to the question of why we have separate loo's? Nobody wants to play fair though.:(
If that was what you were after, that should have been what you asked in the first place.

Penii=gents.

Although once in a service station in France I accidentally walked into the ladies without noticing, even when I couldn't find the urinals and found my sister and my mum washing their hands afterwards. It was only after my sister pointed it out did I realise I was in a room full of womenz.

It's called a women's washroom for a reason:

Women go into them in hordes together to make out. You can't take a gay guy into the horde. That doesn't work.

It's called a women's washroom for a reason:

Women go into them in hordes together to make out. You can't take a gay guy into the horde. That doesn't work.

Man of course you can. What woman hasn't got at least one gay male friend?

Penii=gents.

Although once in a service station in France I accidentally walked into the ladies without noticing, even when I couldn't find the urinals and found my sister and my mum washing their hands afterwards. It was only after my sister pointed it out did I realise I was in a room full of womenz.

HehI done the same sorta thing once, and what struck me was how much nicer it was!

It's called a women's washroom for a reason:

Women go into them in hordes together to make out.

:eek: *cross dresses and infiltrates*

Man of course you can. What woman hasn't got at least one gay male friend?
I agree with Maineiacs. Your sarcasm meter is broken and beyond fixing.
:eek: *cross dresses and infiltrates*
Come on, don't pretend you've never imagined it before. ;) :p

Come on, don't pretend you've never imagined it before. ;) :p

I'm imagining it right at this moment :p

*pricks Isidoor's fake water-balloon bewbs with a needle*

:( You could have just joined.

:eek: *cross dresses and infiltrates*
*pricks Isidoor's fake water-balloon bewbs with a needle*

EDIT: I predict I will be time-warped.

Haha, waterballoon bewbs are funny. They sometimes give you two nipples on one bewb. :P

:( You could have just joined.
Hehe. You can get silicone fake bewbs down aisle 4. It's beside the clown's noses and the fake preggy bellies. Can't miss it.

Bye-bye!!! :p

*joins the horde*

EDIT: by Jolt's time, I am 5 minutes into the future. POST NOW to get a free time-warp!!!!

A strange thought has just occurred to me, what public bog should gay men be using?

I'm gonna put my neck on the line say the womens loo.

Bogs? swamp like areas?

oh... Loos...

Those of the Gender Male, should use Men's Loos.
Those of the Gender Female should use the women's loos.

else Lesbians should be using the men's loo.

not that there's anything wrong with that mind you... :D

HehI done the same sorta thing once, and what struck me was how much nicer it was!
Strangely enough, I did the same thing in Sheffield uni, and it was really horrid, but didn't have an interesting theological debate to read on the door. It was interesting when some girls tried to chat to me while I waited for the 'coast is clear...'

I think in principle it's a good idea to have everyone go to the same type of toilet.
But in practise it's not going to happen any time soon, because alot of people might become confused by the changes, different cultures globally have the same sort of divide. And i imagine it could lead to more cases of sexual abuse.
It would be costly to implement even just changing the signs, sending information about the new changes to people in isolated communities.

I think in principle it's a good idea to have everyone go to the same type of toilet.
But in practise it's not going to happen any time soon, because alot of people might become confused by the changes, different cultures globally have the same sort of divide. And i imagine it could lead to more cases of sexual abuse.
It would be costly to implement even just changing the signs, sending information about the new changes to people in isolated communities.


Ahahah which begs the question, if gay's had a loo all to them selfs what would the internaltialy reconisied sign be?

I agree with Maineiacs. Your sarcasm meter is broken and beyond fixing.


You mistook that for sarcasm? May I suggest then that your sarcasm meter is broken!

Ahahah which begs the question, if gay's had a loo all to them selfs what would the internaltialy reconisied sign be?

That sign for hetrosexual men (like Q but the other way if you see what i mean) backward, or i don't know, why would they need a seperate toilet from other men?