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I will also adopt two. I shall name them Nathaniel and Superfly. :)

Edit: This Thread is Mine! RAWR!!!

*plants Goofballian Flag and starts setting up pie catapults to defend the newly captured territory*

If, like me, you missed your chance to own a Tamagotchi pet when you were young, then this story should be very close to your heart.

From the LA Times*:

WALLINGFORD, PA. -- The bell rang and the eighth graders jumped up, eager to compare notes.

"I named my baby Kyle Patrick," one shouted.

"Mine is Antonio!"

At the urging of an antiabortion activist, they had each pledged to "spiritually adopt" a fetus developing in an unknown woman -- to name it, love it from afar and above all, pray daily that the mother-to-be would not choose abortion.


A few minutes of searching led me to a site** that would allow me to "spiritually adopt" my very own imaginary baby, just by printing out a handy little form! What a deal!

I've decided to name mine Billy and Jenny (they're twins!). They're cute little blond-haired scamps, with blue eyes that will just melt your heart. Their favorite pastime is playing with a bunch of puppies in the middle of a field of wild flowers.

So what are you going to name yours?



*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youth22jan22,1,5600743.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
**http://www.archbalt.org/respect-life/spiritual-adoption/resources/loader.cfm?url=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=6672

A few minutes of searching led me to a site** that would allow me to "spiritually adopt" my very own imaginary baby, just by printing out a handy little form! What a deal!

**http://www.archbalt.org/respect-life/spiritual-adoption/resources/loader.cfm?url=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=6672

Typical fundie bullshit...they'll "spiritually adopt" the baby and pray "on Baby's behalf for nine months"

Of course, once those nine months are up, they wouldn't dream of actually adopting the child...they'd rather it wind up in a broken home or growing up in poverty.

They'll also stop praying for the child once it's born, since clearly only the unborn are worthy of prayer. :rolleyes:

If fundies would fight poverty with the same zeal that they fight abortion, there would be far fewer abortions!

Sad, really.

I shall call mine Bottle and Lunatic Golfballs, and see if we can get a foetal fight to the death. OR at least a foetal fight to see who is top poster. :-)

May I sell mine into slavery after it is born ?

May I sell mine into slavery after it is born ?
Only if the slave master is Jesus.

I will also adopt two. I shall name them Nathaniel and Superfly. :)

Nice reference. :D

Trying to resist the urge to name two Roe and Wade...

Typical fundie bullshit...they'll "spiritually adopt" the baby and pray "on Baby's behalf for nine months"

Of course, once those nine months are up, they wouldn't dream of actually adopting the child...they'd rather it wind up in a broken home or growing up in poverty.

They'll also stop praying for the child once it's born, since clearly only the unborn are worthy of prayer. :rolleyes:

If fundies would fight poverty with the same zeal that they fight abortion, there would be far fewer abortions!

Sad, really.

Maybe they will pray that the child's parents will get a job afterwards?

Maybe they will pray that the child's parents will get a job afterwards?
Why must you bring parents into this?

We're talking about adorable little babies. Babies, people. They're, like, cute and stuff. You can name them and everything!

Why must you bring parents into this?

We're talking about adorable little babies. Babies, people. They're, like, cute and stuff. You can name them and everything!

Who cares when the welfare of the unborn foetus is at stake, and the parents unprepared for the burden?

The article was damn scary. Camp Jesus is still at it. It's sickening. There should be a law against indoctrinating young people instead of simply providing them with the facts from both sides by a neutral source.

Why must you bring parents into this?

We're talking about adorable little babies. Babies, people. They're, like, cute and stuff. You can name them and everything!

You are right. I adopt one and name her Juanita. That way I can send her just 50 cents a day to send her to school and feed her. I however expect a form letter with a picture telling me how she is doing.

Some people seriously need to look into getting a life...

"I'm disappointed in you Timmy, your fetus was aborted. You didn't pray hard enough"

Some people seriously need to look into getting a life...

That's what they're doing here. *nods* They're 'getting' a life by praying for it! ;)

That's what they're doing here. *nods* They're 'getting' a life by praying for it! ;)

And the best part is, they're praying to get someone else's life!!

I refuse to buy into this adoption scam until I can get a tiny plush doll of my adopted fetus to hang off my cell phone like those super-hip little Japanese girls do.

And the best part is, they're praying to get someone else's life!!

I refuse to buy into this adoption scam until I can get a tiny plush doll of my adopted fetus to hang off my cell phone like those super-hip little Japanese girls do.
Will a plastic fetus collectible do?

http://www.wisn.com/news/15079890/detail.html

*plants Goofballian Flag and starts setting up pie catapults to defend the newly captured territory*This hobby vexillologist demands a graphic of said flag, or it's a lie.

Why must you bring parents into this?

We're talking about adorable little babies. Babies, people. They're, like, cute and stuff. You can name them and everything!
o.o Bottle... aren't you the same person who argued in favour of abortion before?

o.o Bottle... aren't you the same person who argued in favour of abortion before?

I believe, dear Hayteria, that we call this little stunt: sarcasm.

Only if the slave master is Jesus.

But I wanted to sell her to Lord Asriel !
Or raise her to be a good muslim. Or Hindu. Or perhaps even Sikh.

I believe, dear Hayteria, that we call this little stunt: sarcasm.Indeed, and it deserves to be repeated:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Irony2.jpg

Will a plastic fetus collectible do?

http://www.wisn.com/news/15079890/detail.html
Eeew! No. That thing isn't cute. It's got a great big mold-seam running down its middle and it's all shiny and icky, as if it just got yanked out of some woman's uterus and then coated in plastic. I can't hang that fetus off my phone -- it would scratch up the screen.

No, I want a cute, soft, plush one from the same Chinese slave-labor factory that makes Pokemon and My Friend Totoro cell phone dolls. I want one that won't damage my phone, at least. Really now.

But thanks for the article, thanks to which I have decided to name my adopted fetus Mystical Listrom. :)

i dont get it. they are adopting a pretend fetus that is in some woman somewhere?

is that right?

im naming mine Tiffany Dawn.

and if its a girl, im naming it Kate.

i dont get it. they are adopting a pretend fetus that is in some woman somewhere?

is that right?

What, you mean adopting somebody else's baby without their knowledge or consent?

What could be wrong with that? You're PRAYING for it, duh! Everything is sure to be on the up-and-up.

Eeew! No. That thing isn't cute. It's got a great big mold-seam running down its middle and it's all shiny and icky, as if it just got yanked out of some woman's uterus and then coated in plastic. I can't hang that fetus off my phone -- it would scratch up the screen.

No, I want a cute, soft, plush one from the same Chinese slave-labor factory that makes Pokemon and My Friend Totoro cell phone dolls. I want one that won't damage my phone, at least. Really now.

But thanks for the article, thanks to which I have decided to name my adopted fetus Mystical Listrom. :)

maybe you can get the little gold feet pin, it's designed after a mold of a real life dead 4 week old fetus!

I want to know who thought of this great idea.

"I think abortion is murder because real babies are getting teh dead, I know! I should spread awareness! I need a dead baby to profit from!"

yeah, totally moral and ethical.

I adopted a fetus. I named it "lucky" maybe it will make it through.

maybe you can get the little gold feet pin, it's designed after a mold of a real life dead 4 week old fetus!

I want to know who thought of this great idea.

"I think abortion is murder because real babies are getting teh dead, I know! I should spread awareness! I need a dead baby to profit from!"

yeah, totally moral and ethical.

I adopted a fetus. I named it "lucky" maybe it will make it through.
Wow.

Wowie zowie.

Wowie-wow-wowzer-wowwow.

Wow.

I really think that's all I can say to that.

maybe you can get the little gold feet pin, it's designed after a mold of a real life dead 4 week old fetus!

Show you care by accessorizing with dismembered baby parts!

Show you care by accessorizing with dismembered baby parts!

I get its tiny undeveloped ovaries!

What, you mean adopting somebody else's baby without their knowledge or consent?

What could be wrong with that? You're PRAYING for it, duh! Everything is sure to be on the up-and-up.

yeah youre right. i just wasnt seeing it the right way.

of course its a good thing to make up a fetus in your head and pretend that its in danger of being aborted. ya ya. then i pray for this imaginary fetus and in my mind s/he isnt aborted and it proves the power of prayer.

i feel MUCH better now.

Nice reference. :D

I tried to pull that in from as far out there as I could. :)

Typical fundie bullshit...they'll "spiritually adopt" the baby and pray "on Baby's behalf for nine months"

Of course, once those nine months are up, they wouldn't dream of actually adopting the child...they'd rather it wind up in a broken home or growing up in poverty.

They'll also stop praying for the child once it's born, since clearly only the unborn are worthy of prayer. :rolleyes:

If fundies would fight poverty with the same zeal that they fight abortion, there would be far fewer abortions!

Sad, really.

Let it go. It cannot do any harm and it is somewhat amusing. How crap like this can actually bother you is beyond my comprehension.

You must enjoy this farce called "life".

Let it go. It cannot do any harm and it is somewhat amusing. How crap like this can actually bother you is beyond my comprehension.
Indeed. How could anything negative for anyone possibly creep into such a cute and adorable idea? Oh, wait, I know:

"I'm disappointed in you Timmy, your fetus was aborted. You didn't pray hard enough"


You must enjoy this farce called "life".
I know I do, especially when stupid shit like this happens.

"The baby would have been gay. God wanted it dead."
Good point.


You must laugh at the inherent "shit". Read more of The Devil's Dictionary.
I used to have The Devil's Dictionary memorized, but then I got even more cynical, decided most of Bierce's definitions applied to Bierce himself, and went back to being interested only in my own brilliance (in Biercian tradition).

*snip

"The baby would have been gay. God wanted it dead."

I know I do, especially when stupid shit like this happens.

You must laugh at the inherent "shit". Read more of The Devil's Dictionary.

This hobby vexillologist demands a graphic of said flag, or it's a lie.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/pirateclown.JPG

:)

Am I the only one who's deprave enough that the first time he saw this, he thought of creating the total opposite of this, just to piss people off (especially the fundies)?

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/pirateclown.JPG

:)Let's grade it, according to the rules of vexillography:
Keep It Simple: The flag should be so simple that a child can draw it from memory. Meh. The clown is a tad complicated. But then again, the USA and Albania have the same problem.
Use Meaningful Symbolism: The flag’s images, colors, or patterns should relate to what it symbolizes. Full points on this one! :)
Use 2–3 Basic Colors: Limit the number of colors on the flag to three, which contrast well and come from the standard color set. If the clown were simpler, it would have succeeded. Half credit.
No Lettering or Seals: Never use writing of any kind or an organization’s seal.Pretty hard to fail, actually (Good job, Virginia and Haiti).
Be Distinctive or Be Related: Avoid duplicating other flags, but use similarities to show connections.It's not really a duplication, and the similarities are obvious. Full points on this one!

Final score: 3.5 / 5 = 70%

If I adopt a fetus, I plan to name it something along the lines of His Most Royal and Imperial Personage, His Excellency, the Grand Duke Alfred Benjamin Chester Donnell Edgar Feodor George Horace Ira Jonathan Kevin Lawrence Marshall Ned Oswald Peter Quincy Raymond Stephen Theodore Ulthar Vincent William Xavier Yorick Zebulon Charles-Plantagenet-Tolland-Tolland-Burton-Devonport-Annwick XXXVIII of New Jersey, the Despoiler.

And I'll only pray for it on the condition that the mother assigns it that name upon birth.

If I adopt a fetus, I plan to name it something along the lines of His Most Royal and Imperial Personage, His Excellency, the Grand Duke Alfred Benjamin Chester Donnell Edgar Feodor George Horace Ira Jonathan Kevin Lawrence Marshall Ned Oswald Peter Quincy Raymond Stephen Theodore Ulthar Vincent William Xavier Yorick Zebulon Charles-Plantagenet-Tolland-Tolland-Burton-Devonport-Annwick XXXVIII of New Jersey, the Despoiler.

That is going to be one screwed up little girl, I tell you what.

That is going to be one screwed up little girl, I tell you what.

Oh come on, I'm sure little "Despy" won't let it affect her in the slightest. Not if she's related (by prayer!) to me. :P

That is going to be one screwed up little girl, I tell you what.

Hey - but at least it is gonna be something. Imagine that little girl never coming into existence... would that not be horrible for her ?

*wonders how many people will be unable to spot the flaw in that*

Let's grade it, according to the rules of vexillography:
Meh. The clown is a tad complicated. But then again, the USA and Albania have the same problem.
Full points on this one! :)
If the clown were simpler, it would have succeeded. Half credit.
Pretty hard to fail, actually (Good job, Virginia and Haiti).
It's not really a duplication, and the similarities are obvious. Full points on this one!

Final score: 3.5 / 5 = 70%

*makes notes for the next flag*

*makes notes for the next flag*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

LG is going to have an Emipre :eek:

Heh. I was thinking it would be an actual digital game...lol.

Will a plastic fetus collectible do?

http://www.wisn.com/news/15079890/detail.htmlHow cute. Maybe it can replace the Plastic Jesus.

Can I spiritually adopt the activist and then abort them?

May I sell mine into slavery after it is born ?

funniest post in this thread so you get the thread win

Will a plastic fetus collectible do?

http://www.wisn.com/news/15079890/detail.html

can I have one plzzzzz??

This is, without a doubt, the scariest, funniest thread I have ever seen on NS.

*snip*
Interestingly, this practice actually lessens the value of human life, and makes a mockery of real pro-lifeism. Oh well, they've brought it upon themselves.

i will adopt two as well, i shall name them James Westfall and Doctor Kenneth Noisewater and when they grow up they shall sit on the right hand and left hand of The Octagon.

God, that's disturbing.

What next, "cut them from their mother's womb and leave her for dead so you can raise the child as a True Christian" game?

Why must you bring parents into this?

We're talking about adorable little babies. Babies, people. They're, like, cute and stuff. You can name them and everything!

But fetuses... aren't... cute... in fact they're kinda... ugh...

This is really quite insane. I love it. :cool:

I love Pennsylvania.

Who cares when the welfare of the unborn foetus is at stake, and the parents unprepared for the burden?

The article was damn scary. Camp Jesus is still at it. It's sickening. There should be a law against indoctrinating young people instead of simply providing them with the facts from both sides by a neutral source.

True Christians don't brainwash, it's a pity these "Christians" do. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgYmHuYHCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIs-ucHdX7o


They should pray for quick pregnancies to lower the chance of an abortion. Praying for it helps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie0U_6a1TeU) :D
Ther'ed still be some exceptions though (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQIoRqVtMnk)

I named mine Megatron and OP.

Now my tummy hurts :(

I named mine Megatron and OP.

Now my tummy hurts :(

*Xomic's belly repidly expands* :D

What next, "cut them from their mother's womb and leave her for dead so you can raise the child as a True Christian" game?

Hasn't that happened before? I'm not sure about the religious conviction bit, but there was a case of a mother to be who was killed and the woman cut out the near term baby (about 9 months) so she could claim it was her own on NSG a while back wasn't there?

and makes a mockery of real pro-lifeism.

Which means it fits right it!

Hasn't that happened before? I'm not sure about the religious conviction bit, but there was a case of a mother to be who was killed and the woman cut out the near term baby (about 9 months) so she could claim it was her own on NSG a while back wasn't there?

Pretty much, yeah.

True Christians don't brainwash, it's a pity these "Christians" do. :("No True Scotsman" fallacy. Not wanting to be associated with nutjobs that share your faith doesn't mean they don't share your faith.

"No True Scotsman" fallacy. Not wanting to be associated with nutjobs that share your faith doesn't mean they don't share your faith.

Of course, if a majority of Christians vehemently disagree with them, all they have to do is saying that extremely loud and clearly. Just like any corporation needs to protect its image.

"No True Scotsman" fallacy. Not wanting to be associated with nutjobs that share your faith doesn't mean they don't share your faith.
Does so!

Good Christians don't brainwash. And good pro-lifers don't advocate profoundly stupid notions. Which is how we know that no Christian or pro-lifer has ever brainwashed anybody or advocated something profoundly stupid. QED.

I'm naming my third spiritually-adopted fetus "Logic."

EDIT: And my fourth little angel-fetus will be named Fulton J. Sheen, after the Roman Catholic Archbishop who is credited with writing the original spiritual adoption pledge. Far from being some fringe kook, he was a fellow who was physically embraced by Pope John Paul II, who said to Sheen, "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are a loyal son of the Church." Sheen is buried at St. Patrick's Cathedral.

If, like me, you missed your chance to own a Tamagotchi pet when you were young, then this story should be very close to your heart.

From the LA Times*:


A few minutes of searching led me to a site** that would allow me to "spiritually adopt" my very own imaginary baby, just by printing out a handy little form! What a deal!

I've decided to name mine Billy and Jenny (they're twins!). They're cute little blond-haired scamps, with blue eyes that will just melt your heart. Their favorite pastime is playing with a bunch of puppies in the middle of a field of wild flowers.

So what are you going to name yours?



*http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youth22jan22,1,5600743.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
**http://www.archbalt.org/respect-life/spiritual-adoption/resources/loader.cfm?url=/commonspot/security/getfile.cfm&PageID=6672

Hmm.. Do you think this counts for satanic rituals that require your first born?

EDIT: And my fourth little angel-fetus will be named Fulton J. Sheen, after the Roman Catholic Archbishop who is credited with writing the original spiritual adoption pledge. Far from being some fringe kook, he was a fellow who was physically embraced by Pope John Paul II, who said to Sheen, "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are a loyal son of the Church." Sheen is buried at St. Patrick's Cathedral.

That Fringe Wacko Bastard! :mad:

:p

Hasn't that happened before? I'm not sure about the religious conviction bit, but there was a case of a mother to be who was killed and the woman cut out the near term baby (about 9 months) so she could claim it was her own on NSG a while back wasn't there?

Yes, some crazy woman who did cut out a developing child from a mothers womb. IIRC, the fetus survived; the mother did not.

Yes, some crazy woman who did cut out a developing child from a mothers womb. IIRC, the fetus survived; the mother did not.

It actually happened several times (3 times, I think, maybe). There was a rash of insane women murdering other women to steal their at-term babies for a while. Thankfully, that particular mania seems to have subsided.

EDIT: And my fourth little angel-fetus will be named Fulton J. Sheen, after the Roman Catholic Archbishop who is credited with writing the original spiritual adoption pledge. Far from being some fringe kook, he was a fellow who was physically embraced by Pope John Paul II, who said to Sheen, "You have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus Christ. You are a loyal son of the Church." Sheen is buried at St. Patrick's Cathedral.
Two men in gowns hugging. This is how shit like this gets started. ;)

It actually happened several times (3 times, I think, maybe). There was a rash of insane women murdering other women to steal their at-term babies for a while. Thankfully, that particular mania seems to have subsided.Back during the Nazi reign, there was a woman that regularly kidnapped children to fulfill the requirements for the Mother's Cross.

It actually happened several times (3 times, I think, maybe). There was a rash of insane women murdering other women to steal their at-term babies for a while. Thankfully, that particular mania seems to have subsided.Not So Fun Fact:

Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women in America.

Hmm.. Do you think this counts for satanic rituals that require your first born?No, silly. Once they're BORN they're on their own. We're talking about fetuses, here. Perfect little babies that don't actually exist.

Not So Fun Fact:

Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women in America.
This is true. :(

And an also Not Fun Detail: Most of them are murdered by people they know, mostly a man in their life.

This sort of thing makes me even more suspicious of people who are so all-fired eager to see women get and stay pregnant. Are they so caught up in their mad visions of how we're supposed to be living that they can't or refuse to see the reality all around them?

It's funny because fetuses are actually really freaky looking. Like tiny mutants.

It's funny because fetuses are actually really freaky looking. Like tiny mutants.
How dare you. Billy and Jenny look just like the babies in diaper commercials, only smaller!

How dare you. Billy and Jenny look just like the babies in diaper commercials, only smaller!

Of course, dear. I was just talking crazy. You go back to praying for your new fetuses.

I've decided I'm going to adopt a kid...he's going to be named Jack and become an axe murderer, because, you know, I can read the future...yup.

More to add:

The article quotes that 72% of teens oppose abortion, yet 68% of teens oppose an outright ban. Even though I consider 72% support quite high, I really do wonder how many of those 72% were a) men and b) have never been pregnant (or dealt with a pregnancy) before in their lives. It's easy to oppose something you've never actually had to deal with.

Here in greater Philadelphia, the antiabortion group Generation Life enlists teens to hand out literature on beaches and guides them through role-playing to hone their powers of persuasion.

At a recent workshop, Claire Levis, 17, played the part of an abortion-rights supporter. "My friend got raped and you want her to have the baby? How can you ask a 15-year-old to go through a pregnancy? That's nine months of ridicule and pain," she shouted.

Liz Coyle, 16, responded: "It's not the baby's fault. He's never done anything wrong."

Liz then added: "There are plenty of teachers willing to home-school your friend if she doesn't want to go to class when she's pregnant. Or she could go to school, and stand up for herself."

That basically sums up to:

Person 1: "my friend just got raped"
Person 2: "Deal with it!"

I don't know about you but that exchange that strikes me as extremely cold. Pregnancy is quite the psychological burden and that's when the sex was actually wanted. I can't imagine what it would be like if the woman was raped, since that's GOT to compound things further.

I can only picture a scene where the antiabortionist uses those same arguments on a woman who actually *was* raped. Eventually the woman breaks down in tears because an emotional trauma like rape surely isn't going to allow her to debate properly and the antiabortionist smiles smugly, feeling they've "won" another debate and shown someone the folly of their ways. Meanwhile, they've done nothing to actually help the woman in question and maybe even made her situation worse, because she's looking for help and support so that she can recover more of her shell and all that does is tear away at it. They may have won the battle here, but they're still not making any headway in actually winning the war.

You know, the article says the reason why pro-life groups are "flourishing" (I doubt it) on high school campuses in the U.S. is because the pro-choice groups never address the moral issues regarding abortion. This example here shows clearly that it's both sides who are doing it, not just one.

Interestingly, this practice actually lessens the value of human life, and makes a mockery of real pro-lifeism. Oh well, they've brought it upon themselves.

How so? I'm curious.

More to add:

The article quotes that 72% of teens oppose abortion, yet 68% of teens oppose an outright ban. Even though I consider 72% support quite high, I really do wonder how many of those 72% were a) men and b) have never been pregnant (or dealt with a pregnancy) before in their lives. It's easy to oppose something you've never actually had to deal with.



That basically sums up to:

Person 1: "my friend just got raped"
Person 2: "Deal with it!"

I don't know about you but that exchange that strikes me as extremely cold. Pregnancy is quite the psychological burden and that's when the sex was actually wanted. I can't imagine what it would be like if the woman was raped, since that's GOT to compound things further.

I can only picture a scene where the antiabortionist uses those same arguments on a woman who actually *was* raped. Eventually the woman breaks down in tears because an emotional trauma like rape surely isn't going to allow her to debate properly and the antiabortionist smiles smugly, feeling they've "won" another debate and shown someone the folly of their ways. Meanwhile, they've done nothing to actually help the woman in question and maybe even made her situation worse, because she's looking for help and support so that she can recover more of her shell and all that does is tear away at it. They may have won the battle here, but they're still not making any headway in actually winning the war.

You know, the article says the reason why pro-life groups are "flourishing" (I doubt it) on high school campuses in the U.S. is because the pro-choice groups never address the moral issues regarding abortion. This example here shows clearly that it's both sides who are doing it, not just one.


the teen years are a time of black and white. they dont have the life experience to understand just why someone might want an abortion and why it might be a very good idea to get one. and empathy is in very short supply.

these kids are taught one side of the issue only. the "baby" must be allowed to live. thats it. no understanding of how your life could be ruined, how horrible it would be to forced to have a child by a man who raped you, how there are times when its best to abort a pregnancy that was very much wanted.

the teen years are a time of black and white. they dont have the life experience to understand just why someone might want an abortion and why it might be a very good idea to get one. and empathy is in very short supply.

these kids are taught one side of the issue only. the "baby" must be allowed to live. thats it. no understanding of how your life could be ruined, how horrible it would be to forced to have a child by a man who raped you, how there are times when its best to abort a pregnancy that was very much wanted.
Well, of course, this is how fanatics are made, if one feels one needs fanatical followers.

We should also keep in mind that these kids are being taught to focus all their efforts on other people. They are not praying for themselves to not abort, they are trying to control other people's lives by magic. Imagine what will happen if their magic fails, and who they will blame for that. I mean, if the message is that God wants them to control other people...

It is truly sad to see what happens to these teenagers. I admit, I believe there are many who truly understand most of the underlying subtleties, if that is the right word, and are able to see past blind emotion, and still believe in a pro-life cause. However, the problem lies with the teenagers who *don't. I'm sure most of us can agree that the teenage years are a period run mostly on raw emotion. The line "X broke up with me, my life is over! [sob]" pops into mind. It's a time where it is really hard to see past Friday night.

I really fault the established antiabortion community. They are fully aware of the emotional weaknesses, we'll call them, or tendencies, that's better, of teenagers, and they play right to them. They bait and trap. Shock and awe, Peanut butter and jelly...wait, that's my lunch. Regardless, they *do brainwash the teens. And unfortunately, it is uncertain whether or not that will end up being straightened out with maturity.

There are emotional ties in this that the kids aren't realizing. The rape scenario is a good one to look at. True, the baby didn't do anything. However, that is a sucker punch, emotional line. What's important to look at is the fact that you're turning a short-term crime into a nine month period of suffering. You aren't allowing a victim to pick up the pieces. There's not justification, there's no healing, moving on, or anything. That person is being victimized. We have to focus on the victim here. This is because it is uncertain, scientifically, and in many cases religiously, as to when it is considered living.

Finally, we must consider the legal and political aspects of this. This hinges on the definition of "life". If we consider a fertilized egg "alive", the discussion is automatically ended, as it is considered to be murder. Personally, I find this very irresponsible, but that's just me. If we consider, however, life to begin later, we have a very different scenario. At this point, we must function as the Constitution leads us. It has been interpreted to prevent a cojoining of religion and state. Thus, you cannot use a religious reason to block abortion. Although you may view it morally wrong, someone else may not, and your religious views cannot play a part in the politics legislating this. The only thing you can thus control is your own actions. You can raise awareness to get people to stop, but you cannot block it legislatively.

I found myself on the Pro-life side for quite some time earlier in high school. Since then, I've had a very, very close scare with unwanted pregnancy. Way too close. This made me snap out of the emotional, romanticized image of everything into a very cold reality. There was no way I could force, or even just endorse my girlfriend going through something like that at her age. There was no way I could bring myself to look at myself again. And there was absolutely *no way I could allow someone to go through our shattered Social Services programs. (topic for a different thread) At what point, possibly, is making someone live even *worse? So, I am not speaking out of an emotional, romanticized point-of-view from the other camp. I've come close to making that decision, and I now know that Pro-life is *not always the right choice here.

May I sell mine into slavery after it is born ?

It's spiritual adoption, so I think you can only sell its soul into slavery. Which is handy, if you're planning something really dastardly that requires you to sell your soul, you can sell its soul instead. The fetus will get a heck of a surprise when it hits the afterlife, but that's not really your problem, is it?