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Though they have no details as yet.

I wonder if he couldn't stand the fall-out from Brokeback Mountain and offed himself.

The New York Times (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/) agrees.

Too bad, after Brokeback I had gained a great deal of respect for him.

NYT's City Room blog says no foul play suspected.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/

I wonder if he couldn't stand the fall-out from Brokeback Mountain and offed himself.

Was there any? I mean, aside from critical acclaim?

The New York Times (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/) agrees.

Too bad, after Brokeback I had gained a great deal of respect for him.

And he was the Joker. You think Jack Nicholson killed him out of jealousy?

And he was the Joker. You think Jack Nicholson killed him out of jealousy?

That's a weird role to go out on...

Was there any? I mean, aside from critical acclaim?

*shrugs* Who knows? I thought it a better theory than some sort of cult suicide.

Kind of odd for a 28 year old to just check out. Plenty of things can kill you that young though, drugs, heart problems, things like that.

Well, at least it wasn't the hot cowboy, but the fugly one. Meh.

Theres sudden adult death syndrome, brain haemorrage, even heart attack as a possibilty. Then theres the nose-candy and that sort of thing. Time will tell. Many die similarly and unknown to the greater public, but let this 'famous' casualty be a reminder that theres no justice in the world, and the good, the blameless and the ordinary often die young.

Oh my God.

It just now came on TV, too.

*shock*

Well, at least it wasn't the hot cowboy, but the fugly one. Meh.

You're such a jerk :P

You're such a jerk :P

It's true, and you were thinking it too, no doubt, since it's the only thing to lament about celebrities, lost appearance. So, had it been Jake it would have been a bummer - "Heath, who?"

Theres sudden adult death syndrome, brain haemorrage, even heart attack as a possibilty. Then theres the nose-candy and that sort of thing. Time will tell. Many die similarly and unknown to the greater public, but let this 'famous' casualty be a reminder that theres no justice in the world, and the good, the blameless and the ordinary often die young.

"I've learned that the good die young, and assholes live forEVER!"

-- Lewis Black

Heath had a very easy charm about his screen presence. It's a shame to see him pass on just as he was finding his way as a real actor and not just a pretty face.

A year too late to be truly cool...

Seriously, though, this sucks. He'd started to show he was actually a half-decent actor, especially from what I've seen/heard about the new Batman film. Wonder if it'll affect that in any way, or had they finished filming? Kinda screws up Terry Gilliam's new film as well.

"The Dark Knight" is going to open huge now. I wonder what Nolan will say about this.

Heath had a very easy charm about his screen presence. It's a shame to see him pass on just as he was finding his way as a real actor and not just a pretty face.

Eh, he would've squandered any prestige gained from playing the Joker in his next film. It's what he did. Any time he landed a decent role, he followed it up with essentially popcorn (and usually complained about it). What did he follow Brokeback with? Casanova.

That said, he was a decent enougha actor with real potential, I think. Just needed to get a handle on how to land the decent roles.

how will this effect the new batman movie?

how will this effect the new batman movie?

Pretty sure it's already finished filming.

It's true, and you were thinking it too, no doubt, since it's the only thing to lament about celebrities, lost appearance. So, had it been Jake it would have been a bummer - "Heath, who?"

This is shallowness masquerading as depth. His job wasn't "celebrity" in the sense of a Paris Hilton, his job was 'actor' and in the execution of that we know who he is. We don't lose his 'appearance' (in fact, since he is not an 'in person' performer, we have as much of his appearance as we have always had. Not being a model, new photos aren't really a commodity), we have lost his performance. Regardless of being 'the fugly one,' he did a transformative performance, he played a character unlike any other character he had played, doing a rarer thing nowadays by giving the performance over to the character rather than being, "Heath Ledger as the less attractive, tougher cowboy" he was cowboy.

What we have lost is that performative value. Now, the level of that loss is up to the individual. I don't know him personally, but in that he's a fellow human being he gets the base line consideration for anyone who dies 'young' or 'before their time,' and from the performative perspective it is too bad, as performances like he gave are rarer. It's okay as well to not give a rats ass, as in the grand scheme of things his death will have little if any impact. But to pretend that his looks were the only thing that matter and to actually parade that as an affectation is comically pretentious considering its shallow depth.

News reports that it may have been a drug overdose.
It also appears he was in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment.

As for "Dark Knight", principle shooting has been pretty much finished, so it will run as scheduled, from what I understand.

Eh, he would've squandered any prestige gained from playing the Joker in his next film. It's what he did. Any time he landed a decent role, he followed it up with essentially popcorn (and usually complained about it). What did he follow Brokeback with? Casanova.

That said, he was a decent enougha actor with real potential, I think. Just needed to get a handle on how to land the decent roles.
Considering his next film was to be the new Terry Gilliam one, The Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus, I don't think you can accuse him of going onto a 'popcorn' role.

how will this effect the new batman movie?
I don't imagine it will; I believe that was done with money. It might affect it though.

News reports that it may have been a drug overdose.

Apparently an overdose of over-the-counter sleeping pills, according to CNN International.

The NYT says it's a suicide, too: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/

I don't know, but this really, really fucked up. I loved that guy.

Renfro, Fischer and Ledger. That completes the three.

This is shallowness masquerading as depth. His job wasn't "celebrity" in the sense of a Paris Hilton, his job was 'actor' and in the execution of that we know who he is. We don't lose his 'appearance' (in fact, since he is not an 'in person' performer, we have as much of his appearance as we have always had. Not being a model, new photos aren't really a commodity), we have lost his performance. Regardless of being 'the fugly one,' he did a transformative performance, he played a character unlike any other character he had played, doing a rarer thing nowadays by giving the performance over to the character rather than being, "Heath Ledger as the less attractive, tougher cowboy" he was cowboy.

What we have lost is that performative value. Now, the level of that loss is up to the individual. I don't know him personally, but in that he's a fellow human being he gets the base line consideration for anyone who dies 'young' or 'before their time,' and from the performative perspective it is too bad, as performances like he gave are rarer. It's okay as well to not give a rats ass, as in the grand scheme of things his death will have little if any impact. But to pretend that his looks were the only thing that matter and to actually parade that as an affectation is comically pretentious considering its shallow depth.
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This is shallowness masquerading as depth.

No, it's all shallowness without pretence, full stop. This is a celebrity. None of you knew him, he wasn't your friend, and he most certainly wouldn't have noticed your death. All your commiserations are but a show for the gallery where you dispense mock emotions as if his death in any way affected you. It doesn't and there are much worthier causes to spill crocodile tears over. The Queen's circling the drain, for instance. Get your bets in and summon the professional mourners.

But to pretend that his looks were the only thing that matter and to actually parade that as an affectation is comically pretentious considering its shallow depth.

I'm not parading it as an affectation - in fact, I'm not parading any affectations at all; I don't give shit that he died. He was a fugly celebrity that made crappy films half way around the world. If he had at least been good-looking, then it would have been a "tragedy" in the sense of stubbing one's toe. You, on the other hand, should pick up a mirror before you attempt to sell me the nonsense that any "sorrow" or "sadness" anyone of you feel about this person's you didn't know death would be anything but artificial and so, so sad in and of itself.

wow

wtf?

who is heath ledger?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7203797.stm
Actor in Brokeback mountain.
Poor fortune he got.
(Timewarp!!)

who is heath ledger?

OD I bet...just like that superwhore last year.

No, it's all shallowness without pretence, full stop. This is a celebrity. None of you knew him, he wasn't your friend, and he most certainly wouldn't have noticed your death. All your commiserations are but a show for the gallery where you dispense mock emotions as if his death in any way affected you. It doesn't and there are much worthier causes to spill crocodile tears over. The Queen's circling the drain, for instance. Get your bets in and summon the professional mourners.



I'm not parading it as an affectation - in fact, I'm not parading any affectations at all; I don't give shit that he died. He was a fugly celebrity that made crappy films half way around the world. If he had at least been good-looking, then it would have been a "tragedy" in the sense of stubbing one's toe. You, on the other hand, should pick up a mirror before you attempt to sell me the nonsense that any "sorrow" or "sadness" anyone of you feel about this person's you didn't know death would be anything but artificial and so, so sad in and of itself.

People could conceivably be genuinely upset at his death if they happened to enjoy his work more than that of other actors. Were that the case, his death would measurably diminish their lives through the loss of future work.

But you'd need to be a pretty big Heath Ledger fan before that was true.

who is heath ledger?

A young actor.

10 Things I Hate About You
The Patriot
A Knight's Tale
Monster's Ball
The Brothers Grimm
Lords of Dogtown
Cassanova
Ned Kelly
Four Feathers

etc.

No, it's all shallowness without pretence, full stop. This is a celebrity. None of you knew him, he wasn't your friend, and he most certainly wouldn't have noticed your death. All your commiserations are but a show for the gallery where you dispense mock emotions as if his death in any way affected you. It doesn't and there are much worthier causes to spill crocodile tears over. The Queen's circling the drain, for instance. Get your bets in and summon the professional mourners.



I'm not parading it as an affectation - in fact, I'm not parading any affectations at all; I don't give shit that he died. He was a fugly celebrity that made crappy films half way around the world. If he had at least been good-looking, then it would have been a "tragedy" in the sense of stubbing one's toe. You, on the other hand, should pick up a mirror before you attempt to sell me the nonsense that any "sorrow" or "sadness" anyone of you feel about this person's you didn't know death would be anything but artificial and so, so sad in and of itself.
If things like 'baseline consideration' and 'too bad' are 'crocodile tears' to you I'd hate to see what real emotion does.

This response is not only predictable but doesn't actually address what was said.

No, it's all shallowness without pretence, full stop. This is a celebrity. None of you knew him, he wasn't your friend, and he most certainly wouldn't have noticed your death. All your commiserations are but a show for the gallery where you dispense mock emotions as if his death in any way affected you. It doesn't and there are much worthier causes to spill crocodile tears over. The Queen's circling the drain, for instance. Get your bets in and summon the professional mourners.



I'm not parading it as an affectation - in fact, I'm not parading any affectations at all; I don't give shit that he died. He was a fugly celebrity that made crappy films half way around the world. If he had at least been good-looking, then it would have been a "tragedy" in the sense of stubbing one's toe. You, on the other hand, should pick up a mirror before you attempt to sell me the nonsense that any "sorrow" or "sadness" anyone of you feel about this person's you didn't know death would be anything but artificial and so, so sad in and of itself.

What a fucking load of unadulterated crap. I can only be saddened by the death of people I personally know? Why would that possibly be the case, Mr. Let Me Tell You How You Feel? Because you say so?

But you'd need to be a pretty big Heath Ledger fan before that was true.

And thus would have far more pressing issues you should've dealt with in your "life".

What are you bitching about? If you were dead we would be sad even though we did not *really* know you.

Ugh, great, now we'll get lorded over with another one of his tired "I never asked to be part of your popularity contests and want no part of it" sermons.

If things like 'baseline consideration' and 'too bad' are 'crocodile tears' to you I'd hate to see what real emotion does.

You'd hate to see real emotion; why have that, when you can distract yourself with feigned commiseration? Zero calories, zero substance, zero difference.

This response is not only predictable but doesn't actually address what was said.

What you said was so ironically shallow (and in that way, I enjoyed it for the "lulz" as you people call it), addressing it would have just taken away from that.

And thus would have far more pressing issues you should've dealt with in your "life".What are you bitching about? If you were dead we would be sad even though we did not *really* know you.

You'd hate to see real emotion; why have that, when you can distract yourself with feigned commiseration? Zero calories, zero substance, zero difference.



What you said was so ironically shallow (and in that way, I enjoyed it for the "lulz" as you people call it), addressing it would have just taken away from that.

You seriously are one fucked up puppy.

What are you bitching about? If you were dead we would be sad even though we did not *really* know you.

No, you wouldn't. At least I most certainly hope you wouldn't, because that would give a whole new layer of meaning to "pathetic", and I'd really hate to be associated - especially as I've been working my whole life on another type of pathetic.

You'd hate to see real emotion; why have that, when you can distract yourself with feigned commiseration? Zero calories, zero substance, zero difference.



What you said was so ironically shallow (and in that way, I enjoyed it for the "lulz" as you people call it), addressing it would have just taken away from that.

You're cute when you flail.

You seriously are one fucked up puppy.Literally. :)

What are you bitching about? If you were dead we would be sad even though we did not *really* know you.

Fass needs a reason to bitch...and has to be reasonable while bitching? News to me.

You seriously are one fucked up puppy.

Nope. Just Scandinavian.

News reports that it may have been a drug overdose.
It also appears he was in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment.

As for "Dark Knight", principle shooting has been pretty much finished, so it will run as scheduled, from what I understand.


I always knew those Olsen girls were bad news. I knew it when they were three. :p

You're cute when you flail.

And you're not, so I'll always have a one up on you. :)

I'm sorry, sweety, that the celebrity you had a crush on died. As sorry as your crush was weighty.
Ooooooh, how well you know me! You really CAN tell me how I feel!

With that kind of ability surely you can also answer my question, right, sweetie?

What a fucking load of unadulterated crap.

I'm sorry, sweety, that the celebrity you had a crush on died. As sorry as your crush was weighty.

I would have expected that you above all should view the death of a cute guy regrettable.

I don't think he's dissmissing that, it's more, feeling loss for someone you don't know, how can you do that? you would go into turmoil about all the people who die all over the globe, i think he's trying to point out the hypocracy of missing someone you will never know. That and then making a few (what's the word i'm looking for?) defensive posts, backed him into a corner to argue on one stance., which was dodgy to begin with.
But yeah regrettable that he died.

And you're not, so I'll always have a one up on you. :)

Okey dokey, pokey.

No, you wouldn't. At least I most certainly hope you wouldn't, because that would give a whole new layer of meaning to "pathetic", and I'd really hate to be associated - especially as I've been working my whole life on another type of pathetic.I would have expected that you above all should view the death of a cute guy regrettable.

I would have expected that you above all should view the death of a cute guy regrettable.

I said it would be a tragedy on the level of getting a paper cut, so you see, even I can indulge in the histrionic disasters of everyday life, but I know I'm doing it for the histrionics and never confuse it with genuine emotion... just like people here really shouldn't confuse any "relationship" they have with people here as real or consequential.

Considering his next film was to be the new Terry Gilliam one, The Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus, I don't think you can accuse him of going onto a 'popcorn' role.

Didn't know that, don't follow him or Gilliam. And, as was said before, he's been coming out of that phase and making more and more decent films, I just misjudged how fast he was coming out of his earlier patterns.

Ooooooh, how well you know me! You really CAN tell me how I feel!

With that kind of ability surely you can also answer my question, right, sweetie?

Don't be silly, I can't tell you how to feel. I can just call your "emotions" for what they are once you make them Thespian.

What are you bitching about? If you were dead we would be sad even though we did not *really* know you.speak for yourself.

I said it would be a tragedy on the level of getting a paper cut, so you see, even I can indulge in the histrionic disasters of everyday life, but I know I'm doing it for the histrionics and never confuse it with genuine emotion... just like people here really shouldn't confuse any "relationship" they have with people here as real or consequential.

Why are you being so mean, Daddy?

:(

... just like people here really shouldn't confuse any "relationship" they have with people here as real or consequential.

Yet we keep coming back.

Yet we keep coming back.

For the histrionics, yes. For the people? Hah.

Son, I'mma learn you one of life's most important lessons: don't confuse being candid with being malicious. The truth seldom has an appetising flavour, but like vegetables it's good for you.

Oh, and stay in school.

Are you trying to imply that vegetables don't taste good?

Why are you being so mean, Daddy?

Son, I'mma learn you one of life's most important lessons: don't confuse being candid with being malicious. The truth seldom has an appetising flavour, but like vegetables it's good for you.

Oh, and stay in school.

Are you trying to imply that vegetables don't taste good?

To kids they don't. Well, to normal kids, at least... kids who like vegetables are creepy. And damaged.

To kids they don't. Well, to normal kids, at least.

Then the cook's not doing something right. The proper amount of spice will make any kid LOVE vegetables. I know it sure worked for me.

For the histrionics, yes. For the people? Hah.

Histrionics? Us?? Here??? Hah!

http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/rotflol.gif

You are no different to me than Heath Ledger, you're a dude in a medium.

This is where you should stop.

And it doesn't have to do anything with emotion either.

Well, at least you're able to recognise that. Baby steps!

I said it would be a tragedy on the level of getting a paper cut, so you see, even I can indulge in the histrionic disasters of everyday life, but I know I'm doing it for the histrionics and never confuse it with genuine emotion... just like people here really shouldn't confuse any "relationship" they have with people here as real or consequential.You are no different to me than Heath Ledger, you're a dude in a medium. And if something happened to you, I would at least pause and think a little. I don't need to have a relationship with someone to find that one's death regrettable. And it doesn't have to do anything with emotion either.

Ugh, great, now we'll get lorded over with another one of his tired "I never asked to be part of your popularity contests and want no part of it" sermons.

If Fass were to keel over right now, I'd have a moment of silence for him :(, then I'd nominate him for every category in the next NSG awards thread :D.

"kids who like vegetables are creepy. And damaged."

*Uhum*

Aren't you, yourself, a vegetarian?

Incidentally, if you cook regularly I can pass along a pretty nice recipe for home-made masala. The ingredients should be relatively easy to find. TG me if interested, as things are going a tad off-course.

In response to UB: I agree. If I were to find out any of you had died, I'd definitely feel sad, no matter how vehemently I opposed your beliefs and stances, and no matter how detached we were by distance and interest.

Then the cook's not doing something right. The proper amount of spice will make any kid LOVE vegetables. I know it sure worked for me.

"kids who like vegetables are creepy. And damaged."

*Uhum*

To kids they don't. Well, to normal kids, at least... kids who like vegetables are creepy. And damaged.What a rubbish. Kids who like meat products are creepy :rolleyes: and dumb.

What a rubbish. Kids who like meat products are creepy :rolleyes:

One should never feed meat to one's kids if one cares for their health; I didn't say one shouldn't feed children vegetables. On the contrary, I said veggies are good for them. That's why they don't like them.

To kids they don't. Well, to normal kids, at least... kids who like vegetables are creepy. And damaged.

I drank beer and ate lots of meat as a child. I must've been the most normal kid ever!

Don't be silly, I can't tell you how to feel.
How utterly inconsequential seeing how I asked you on what basis you think you can tell how I feel, not "tell me how to feel."

Twice.

Surely you, of all people, should be able to divine the not-so-subtle-at-all difference.

But wait, you don't even have to because guess what:
I can just call your "emotions" for what they are once you make them Thespian.
You just did it again. Whee.

Care to tell me what gives you these impressive psychic powers?

And, if we're doing actual answers for a change, I'm still waiting for one on why one can only be saddened by the death of people one personally knows.

What a rubbish. Kids who like meat products are creepy :rolleyes: and dumb.

...I...love...meat...*sobs uncontrollably*

In response to UB: I agree. If I were to find out any of you had died, I'd definitely feel sad, no matter how vehemently I opposed your beliefs and stances, and no matter how detached we were by distance and interest.But of course the überfag could not possibly have such thoughts. :p

One should never feed meat to one's kids if one cares for their health; I didn't say one shouldn't feed children vegetables. On the contrary, I said veggies are good for them. That's why they don't like them.blah blah blah

Aren't you, yourself, a vegetarian?

I am not a kid, so what is the price of tea in Ceylon?

How utterly inconsequential seeing how I asked you on what basis you think you can tell how I feel, not "tell me how to feel."

Let's just call it "prior experience", "history" if you will. I may not know you, but I know enough not to want to.

And, if we're doing actual answers for a change, I'm still waiting for one on why one can only be saddened by the death of people one personally knows.

I'm sure you are, but I've already implied you had difficulties discerning the genuine from the artificial, so you'll be waiting for that answer long after these fora are no more.

That sucks.

Apparently an overdose of over-the-counter sleeping pills, according to CNN International.

The NYT says it's a suicide, too: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/actor-heath-ledger-is-found-dead/

I don't know, but this really, really fucked up. I loved that guy.

...
My local news (CBS NY) says cause of death had not yet been confirmed, and that there will be an autopsy. They also say it appears to be accidental overdose.

And thus would have far more pressing issues you should've dealt with in your "life".
I have been known to say "People I don't know die every day; I try not to get too torn up about it." However, celebrities are people with the capacity to affect peoples lives.

I'm sure thousands of nerds felt genuine anguish when they heard Robert Jordan had died without finishing that book series of his.

I sense some voodoo priest captured him and then posioned him in his hotel. Then they left him dead and after he is buried they will dig him up and bring him to life to be part of the Zombie Oscars.

*Nods.*

Or super mega chicken got him.

http://www.aquateencentral.com/epguide/images/screenshots/videoouija/full/videoouija12.jpg

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My local news (CBS NY) says cause of death had not yet been confirmed, and that there will be an autopsy. They also say it appears to be accidental overdose.What's an accidental overdose of sleeping pills? Could the man not count to one?

What's an accidental overdose of sleeping pills? Could the man not **** to one?

LOL. I think you meant "count". :D

LOL. I think you meant "count". :Dthat too :eek:

What's an accidental overdose of sleeping pills? Could the man not count to one?

Could be an interaction with another medicine that multiplied the effect, could be he had vitamin supplements also, confused the two and took more than the recommended dose, could be he took one, got muzzy-headed and didn't remember taking it, and took another... and another.... could have been a massive heart attack that made him spill the rest of the bottle. Until the toxicology screen/autopsy comes back, no one really knows what happened.

Could be anything, until we hear the official report.

No, it's all shallowness without pretence, full stop. This is a celebrity. None of you knew him, he wasn't your friend, and he most certainly wouldn't have noticed your death. All your commiserations are but a show for the gallery where you dispense mock emotions as if his death in any way affected you. It doesn't and there are much worthier causes to spill crocodile tears over. The Queen's circling the drain, for instance. Get your bets in and summon the professional mourners.



I'm not parading it as an affectation - in fact, I'm not parading any affectations at all; I don't give shit that he died. He was a fugly celebrity that made crappy films half way around the world. If he had at least been good-looking, then it would have been a "tragedy" in the sense of stubbing one's toe. You, on the other hand, should pick up a mirror before you attempt to sell me the nonsense that any "sorrow" or "sadness" anyone of you feel about this person's you didn't know death would be anything but artificial and so, so sad in and of itself.

Damn well said, Fass. If I ever become famous, then die young, I hope you will give the speech at my funeral. Perhaps you would be the only honest one there.

"His loss, is our gain". :D

How interesting it is that my "DOUCHEBAG ALERT" device wailed and blew up as soon as I entered this topic.

You know, when I saw the news of Heath Ledger's death, it did make me stop and think for a second. I've never seen his movies, but it was a shock.

Now for the debating part:
Blah blah blah Fassitude can read my mind blah blah blah threat blah blah insult blah blah blah filler blah blah filler blah blah blah insert something to do with vegetables here blah blah. And to conclude, blah blah Heath Ledger blah.

I'm just stunningly eloquent, aren't I? :cool:

Let's just call it "prior experience", "history" if you will. I may not know you, but I know enough not to want to.
Then I just assume that to be the case with the rest of mankind, too? Because surely you weren't talking about me in your sweeping judgements there?
I do have to say that I find it impressing that you'd have "prior experiences" and "history" with, why, everybody!

I'm sure you are, but I've already implied you had difficulties discerning the genuine from the artificial,
I have hardly ever seen you flail this pathetically. Alert me when you're done reformulating your own content-free posts and actually start answering my question.

To make it easier, here it is again, all spelled out and waiting for your input:

"Sympathy is restricted to people one knows personally because ........ ?"

But wait:
so you'll be waiting for that answer long after these fora are no more.
Awww.

You managed 18 posts in this thread going "You're all stupid because I say so!" like a three year old. When asked for a reasoning behind the whining? Nada. Nil. Bupkes.

Grow up.

Aw man, I kinda liked the guy.

I sense some voodoo priest captured him and then posioned him in his hotel. Then they left him dead and after he is buried they will dig him up and bring him to life to be part of the Zombie Oscars.

*Nods.*

Or super mega chicken got him.

http://www.aquateencentral.com/epguide/images/screenshots/videoouija/full/videoouija12.jpg

Probably not.

With one convientient location...in Africa...Most of them feel more comfortable with chicken.

I am sofa king re: Todd Ed.

What's an accidental overdose of sleeping pills? Could the man not count to one?

Eh. Takes several for me, and not just sleeping pills - muscle relaxants and other sedatives to boot. I've got an almost unshakable sort of vitality, though, I suppose. :p

On topic: sucks for that guy. I hope he died as well as I did one time, before I came out of the coma; that is, at peace with the world. :)

I am sofa king re: Todd Ed.

You say... funny thing. :p

Eh. Takes several for me, and not just sleeping pills - muscle relaxants and other sedatives to boot. I've got an almost unshakable sort of vitality, though, I suppose. :p

On topic: sucks for that guy. I hope he died as well as I did one time, before I came out of the coma; that is, at peace with the world. :)You were in a coma?

And now an apolitical thread about the death of a human being is stained with the cum-spooge of yet another instance of Fassturbation. The same kind of attention whoring that Fred Phelps was into when he proclaimed an avalanche that killed a lot of Swedes God's Punishment For Fags.

Nietzche warned folks who hunted monsters to not end up one themselves. Guess Good Ol' Fass fails that test.

You were in a coma?

Yeah. Unrelated to pills, though. I recall feeling at peace before blacking out, that's what I meant.

Gauthier, everyone was warned recently that use of the term "Fassturbation" would be considered flaming, because the poster concerned had explicitly said he found it personally offensive.

I'll edit in the link when I find it. In the meantime, cut it out.

Everyone else, play nice! Whether people feel as if they've lost their best buddy or whether they don't give a damn, they've a right to express their opinions without insult.

EDIT: Found the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13323542&postcount=2). And, Gauthier, as you were specifically told by name in that thread not to use that term, and as the post in which it appears is also flamebait, take a day's break.

Whereyouthinkyougoing, if you haven't calmed down by the time you get back online, think it over before you post.

Poor bloke, he seemed to be getting pretty good at acting after Brokeback.

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?

QFT

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?

Because he was named for a really decent candy bar. :(

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?

You are not supposed to care, you may actually care but you are not required to.

I heard the news today and thought, well thats both a shame and a waste, I guess that means I do care.

The Westboro freaks are gonna protest his funeral. Psychos.

Well, at least it wasn't the hot cowboy, but the fugly one. Meh.

You're like Oscar Wilde, but without the pretty face.



I'll use a smilie when you do, bitch.

The Westboro freaks are gonna protest his funeral. Psychos.

Excellent. Proving that they can't distinguish an actor from the role he plays is further proof of their idiocy.

Plus, it will give a big boost to the new Batman movie. Batman being gay wouldn't surprise anyone ... but the Joker too adds a little ... er, love interest?

But seriously, I think there's something a bit wrong about the police who attend a death like this releasing information about it to the press, within hours of the event.

It just seems to me that the deceased's family and close friends should have a few days to get their head around the sudden loss. If the press are interested (and of course for most deaths they aren't really) the police should restrain themselves from anything other than confirming or denying that a death occurred, and even that not until the family have been notified.

It's digusting how we think we "know" a person because they're famous, that somehow it's just as much our business as that of the people who were actually in their lives, that they died or just how they died.

I dunno. I'm just angry and I don't know what at. :headbang:

Well, at least it wasn't the hot cowboy, but the fugly one. Meh.What? How was he not the hot cowboy?

Now, I couldn't care less about the guy as I've never met him, the acting world and people who enjoyed his acting will miss his skills, but that's not grief. I'd miss an actor as much as I'd miss a mug I dropped and broke. Similarly, I didn't get the whole response to Diana's death, it was terribly overblown and rather pathetic to see these 'mourners' laying flowers everywhere and crying like they've lost their life-partner.

I dunno. I'm just angry and I don't know what at. :headbang:

Have a candy bar.

http://www.candydirect.com/html/cleanimages/candybars/heath.jpg

:)

Have a candy bar.

http://www.candydirect.com/html/cleanimages/candybars/heath.jpg

:)

Bastard!

OK, I should have mentioned that I have a tooth-ache. That's always a good reason to be grumpy.

For some reason I keep thinking of the day John Lennon died. I think it would have hurt less if the placard had read "John Lennon dead at 40" than "John Lennon shot dead."

Like, what? People won't buy their damn paper if they think the poor sod died in a skiing accident or something? It's all just news to them, suck it dry before it's old news. I guess that must be what "we" want, too, cos we buy it.

Now I really have depressed myself, and I'm going to bloody bed. Bah.

Shame. I thought he was a pretty great actor... :(

Shame. I thought he was a pretty great actor... :(

I honestly couldn't of picked him out of a police line-up, but I found the idea of a 28 year old in apparently good health just falling over dead a bit odd.

Because he was named for a really decent candy bar. :(

His real name was Snickers?

What? How was he not the hot cowboy?
Thats exactly what I was thinking!

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?

It was never about you having to care. Never. You can be casual about human life all you want. You can not be into him or what he did. However, it's not unreasonable for people to have liked his work, or thought he showed potential, or even just thought he seemed like a decent cat, and to express regret that another human being died early, that he won't produce any more work or explore the potential they saw. These are all reasonable reactions, and a far cry from 'crocodile tears.' It is not unreasonable to express these things. What does seem unreasonable is for someone to come in and start waving their dick around about how much they don't care and how anyone who does is 'faking it' or is 'ridiculous' because somehow Heath wouldn't have cared if you died or not. Which frankly is kind of bullshit, if he had for some reason heard about a specific death I'm sure he'd say about what we have said, 'That's too bad.' That's a reasonable reaction. To characterize it as tearing shirts, beating the chest, and screaming at the sky, "Why!?! WHY?!?! Take me instead!!!" is a ridiculous stretch for a person to make just to make themselves feel slightly superior by not likin' stuff. One would assume you outgrow such a gainsaying phase by the end of the teenage years, but then some people grab on...

His real name was Snickers?

Yes. Snickers Hershey von AlmondJoy. *nod*

Yes. Snickers Hershey von AlmondJoy. *nod*

He stole my name!!! :mad:

What? How was he not the hot cowboy?
He was the COOL one!

Sad :(

He did good in Brokeback, and he had potential for more...

For once I agree with Fass: Another celebrity bites the dust and I am supposed to care why?Because the death of a human being is tragic?

That would mean the world is filled with constant tragedy, and we should be incessantly concerned about it.

That's crazy. People die. Just accept it.

Many people admire or respect Heath Ledger, when someone you admire dies, you tend to care.

Because the death of a human being is tragic?
That would mean the world is filled with constant tragedy, and we should be incessantly concerned about it.

That's crazy. People die. Just accept it.

That would mean the world is filled with constant tragedy, and we should be incessantly concerned about it.

That's crazy. People die. Just accept it.

Because people die all the time is hardly a reason to become dismissive of an individual death. An expression of regret really isn't unreasonable upon hearing about a specific death. A notable mathematician, mountain climber, or actor becomes part shared consciousness so their deaths, especially if 'early' or 'sudden,' become topics of discussion. It doesn't mean that their deaths are more important than 'other peoples' or even that people are pretending they knew him or are taking it as hard as they would a more 'personal' death. It takes just as much energy to express regret on a forum as it does to deride people for that regret. One wonders, however, if people didn't care why did they bother...

He was the COOL one!Yeah. Severely fuckable ;)

What? How was he not the hot cowboy?

http://i26.tinypic.com/mw6x6q.jpg

Nasty, and not in a good way.

fucking hell, pal, have you not got bored of shitting on people's grief yet? i couldn't give a flying fuck if the guy's dead but i'm not such a fucking sociopath that i have to belittle other people's emotions for my own smug entertainment.

fucking hell, pal, have you not got bored of shitting on people's grief yet?

It is an insult to actual grieving persons who have lost people dear to them to call this sham of a display grief.

It is an insult to actual grieving persons to call this sham of a display grief.

ah, of course, that'd be why you're parading round this thread slagging the guy off. out of respect. yeah, nice one :rolleyes:

ah, of course, that'd be why you're parading round this thread slagging the guy off. out of respect. yeah, nice one

Why would I be respectful of him? I didn't respect him when he was alive - I though he was a crappy and unattractive actor. Why should that change once he's dead? And in case you didn't notice, I was asked why I didn't think he was hot; I made the answer apparent. So, if your bitching is quite done now...?

i didn't respect the guy either, i barely know who he is, but i've got enough respect for other people's emotions to leave my thoughts on the guy's career and appearence out of this thread. honestly, you're degrading yourself something rotten in here. it's such a shame and kind of embarrasing to watch.

i didn't respect the guy either, i barely know who he is, but i've got enough respect for other people's emotions to leave my thoughts on the guy's career and appearence out of this thread.

Too bad you can't recognise the difference between true and misdirected, feigned emotions.

honestly, you're degrading yourself something rotten in here.

No, I'm not. That settles it for me.

it's such a shame and kind of embarrasing to watch.

It must be so hard for you to have a bulbar paresis so that you can't avert your gaze. Perhaps you should get it checked out? Or maybe your condition will be miraculously solved after this post? I can have a healing effect, that way.

get the fuck over it.

I suggest you heed your own advice.

http://i26.tinypic.com/mw6x6q.jpg

Nasty, and not in a good way.

He was working on a film in that photo. That's a character, not what he prefers to look like.

Fass, please, if you're not going to let people react how they want, get out of the thread. You bitched and moaned when people didn't do what you wanted them to do in your language thread. So why do you have such a problem letting people mourn here? Seriously, leave this thread alone. You're being incredibly inappropriate with your fuckery.

Not everyone agrees with you, get the fuck over it.

Too bad you can't recognise the difference between true and misdirected, feigned emotions.
Unlike yourself? How does that work again? I forgot. Oh, wait, you never actually said. What a bummer.

I suggest you heed your own advice.

And I suggest you listen to someone besides that little voice in your head for once.

Too bad you can't recognise the difference between true and misdirected, feigned emotions.


who are you to say where people should direct their emotions fass, really?
No, I'm not. That settles it for me.

ha, i'm quite sure it does at that.


It must be so hard for you to have a bulbar paresis so that you can't avert your gaze. Perhaps you should get it checked out? Or maybe your condition will be miraculously solved after this post? I can have a healing effect, that way.

i looked into this thread cuz i heard you were being an arse and i thought it might be funny, cuz it generally is. but this is just sad. you appear to be suffering the same, perhaps a little self medication is in order.

Unlike yourself? How does that work again? I forgot. Oh, wait, you never actually said. What a bummer.
Fass has no emotions. The cold froze them off.

who are you to say where people should direct their emotions fass, really?

I am a person who can see that none of these people knew the deceased even on a most cursory of planes and that they're emulating emotions of loss or sympathy for the sole reason of him having been a celebrity. I'm uncannily lucid, that way.

i looked into this thread cuz i heard you were being an arse and i thought it might be funny, cuz it generally is. but this is just sad. you appear to be suffering the same, perhaps a little self medication is in order.

I'm not suffering from it in the least - you're the one bellyaching over it. So, get it checked out.

Unlike yourself?

Precisely.

I am a person who can see that none of these people knew the deceased even on a most cursory of planes and that they're emulating emotions of loss or sympathy for the sole reason of him having been a celebrity. I'm uncannily lucid, that way.

You know what? Let me just re-post my question from last night - I assume it must tragically have gotten overlooked, seeing how you still haven't said anything than "because I say so":
Then I just assume that to be the case with the rest of mankind, too? Because surely you weren't talking about me in your sweeping judgements there?
I do have to say that I find it impressing that you'd have "prior experiences" and "history" with, why, everybody!


I have hardly ever seen you flail this pathetically. Alert me when you're done reformulating your own content-free posts and actually start answering my question.

To make it easier, here it is again, all spelled out and waiting for your input:

"Sympathy is restricted to people one knows personally because ........ ?"

But wait:

Awww.

You managed 18 posts in this thread going "You're all stupid because I say so!" like a three year old. When asked for a reasoning behind the whining? Nada. Nil. Bupkes.

Grow up.

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Ach, hod yer weesht, the lot of you! :p

I am a person who can see that none of these people knew the deceased even on a most cursory of planes and that they're emulating emotions of loss or sympathy for the sole reason of him having been a celebrity. I'm uncannily lucid, that way.


i suppose you can see into the minds all the potential lurkers and guests who may very well have the 'reason' you look for to grieve this particular human's death too, eh? and some people do invest a lot of emotion in the lives of people they don't know for their own reasons. misguided as it might be, and surely less intense than for a person they are physically close too, the emotion is no less real.

You know what? Let me just re-post my question from last night - I assume it must tragically have gotten overlooked, seeing how you still haven't said anything than "because I say so":

I've already you told you - you're emulating the emotions because he was a celebrity. Had he not been, you wouldn't even have bothered. This thread wouldn't even have existed. So it is clear to anyone without wilful mental cataracts that this person gets this "sadness" and "sympathy" from you lot not because you generally give that to deceased you didn't know - the general scarcity of threads where you can wallow in your "sadness" on strangers around you who have died are testament to that, let alone strangers like this one who are on another continent - but because the only thing he had going for him that has you even the least bit interested in partaking in this, as I said, wallowing is his celebrity, which is the only thing that made you and with which you're actually concerned here. Deny it all you want, that denial is more for you than me.

misguided as it might be, and surely less intense than for a person they are physically close too

Well, then they and you have little to bitch about and me to care for respecting instead of exposing, no?

Well, then they and you have little to bitch about and me to care for respecting instead of exposing, no?

frankly, it's none of your business. you clearly don't care for the guy and you've stated enough times you don't care about the opinions of the people that post on NSG, which begs the question, why did you ever post in this thread in the first place?

I've already you told you - you're emulating the emotions because he was a celebrity. Had he not been, you wouldn't even have bothered. This thread wouldn't even have existed. So it is clear to anyone without wilful mental cataracts that this person gets this "sadness" and "sympathy" from you lot not because you generally give that to deceased you didn't know - the general scarcity of threads where you can wallow in your "sadness" on strangers around you who have died are testament to that, let alone strangers like this one who are on another continent - but because the only thing he had going for him that has you even the least bit interested in partaking in this, as I said, wallowing is his celebrity, which is the only thing that made you and with which you're actually concerned here. Deny it all you want, that denial is more for you than me.

Haven't we covered this? I think we might have...
This is shallowness masquerading as depth. His job wasn't "celebrity" in the sense of a Paris Hilton, his job was 'actor' and in the execution of that we know who he is. We don't lose his 'appearance' (in fact, since he is not an 'in person' performer, we have as much of his appearance as we have always had. Not being a model, new photos aren't really a commodity), we have lost his performance. Regardless of being 'the fugly one,' he did a transformative performance, he played a character unlike any other character he had played, doing a rarer thing nowadays by giving the performance over to the character rather than being, "Heath Ledger as the less attractive, tougher cowboy" he was cowboy.

What we have lost is that performative value. Now, the level of that loss is up to the individual. I don't know him personally, but in that he's a fellow human being he gets the base line consideration for anyone who dies 'young' or 'before their time,' and from the performative perspective it is too bad, as performances like he gave are rarer. It's okay as well to not give a rats ass, as in the grand scheme of things his death will have little if any impact. But to pretend that his looks were the only thing that matter and to actually parade that as an affectation is comically pretentious considering its shallow depth.

It was never about you having to care. Never. You can be casual about human life all you want. You can not be into him or what he did. However, it's not unreasonable for people to have liked his work, or thought he showed potential, or even just thought he seemed like a decent cat, and to express regret that another human being died early, that he won't produce any more work or explore the potential they saw. These are all reasonable reactions, and a far cry from 'crocodile tears.' It is not unreasonable to express these things. What does seem unreasonable is for someone to come in and start waving their dick around about how much they don't care and how anyone who does is 'faking it' or is 'ridiculous' because somehow Heath wouldn't have cared if you died or not. Which frankly is kind of bullshit, if he had for some reason heard about a specific death I'm sure he'd say about what we have said, 'That's too bad.' That's a reasonable reaction. To characterize it as tearing shirts, beating the chest, and screaming at the sky, "Why!?! WHY?!?! Take me instead!!!" is a ridiculous stretch for a person to make just to make themselves feel slightly superior by not likin' stuff. One would assume you outgrow such a gainsaying phase by the end of the teenage years, but then some people grab on...

Because people die all the time is hardly a reason to become dismissive of an individual death. An expression of regret really isn't unreasonable upon hearing about a specific death. A notable mathematician, mountain climber, or actor becomes part shared consciousness so their deaths, especially if 'early' or 'sudden,' become topics of discussion. It doesn't mean that their deaths are more important than 'other peoples' or even that people are pretending they knew him or are taking it as hard as they would a more 'personal' death. It takes just as much energy to express regret on a forum as it does to deride people for that regret. One wonders, however, if people didn't care why did they bother...


Now give me your derisive comment as is your usual when backed into a corner but unwilling to step out of the warm glow of all the attention.

Too bad you can't recognise the difference between true and misdirected, feigned emotions.
And what should we think about these emotions you are feigning to have about people on a message-board, whom you've never met???

frankly, it's none of your business.

They posted about it here - a public forum made for people to comment on contents of posts - if they didn't want it to be anyone's business, they shouldn't have done that. So, it's quite the foolish thing to claim now that it's "none of my business", when they wanted to make it the business of every poster here willing to comment. Or is it only the business of those who agree or are willing to entertain their false emotions?

why did you ever post in this thread in the first place?

I've already stated that several times: to expose this insincere wank for what it is.

I've already you told you - you're emulating the emotions because he was a celebrity. Had he not been , you wouldn't even have bothered. This thread wouldn't even have existed. So it is clear to anyone without wilful mental cataracts that this person gets this "sadness" and "sympathy" from you lot not because you generally give that to deceased you didn't know - the general scarcity of threads where you can wallow in your "sadness" on strangers around you who have died are testament to that, let alone strangers like this one who are on another continent - but because the only thing he had going for him that has you even the least bit interested in partaking in this, as I said, wallowing is his celebrity, which is the only thing that made you and with which you're actually concerned here. Deny it all you want, that denial is more for you than me.
Did you just substitute wordiness for content again?

10 pages and 26 posts - and all you have to show for it is still "You're all faking this because I know you're faking it"?

This is the lamest display of refusing to answer a simple question I have ever had the misfortune to witness. You should start taking a page out of Corny's book and actually start logging off when you've talked yourself into a corner. That would actually have been more face-saving than this was.

I've already stated that several times: to expose this insincere wank for what it is.

"Expose" it to whom? You don't seem to have been very successful with that.

Haven't we covered this? I think we might have...

You tried to obfucate by lying about the "importance of everyone's death", but that's clearly a lie since you don't find everyone's death equally important. You find the death of a celebrity more important - what you tongue lies about and tries to cover up for your own sake, your actions reveal.

They posted about it here - a public forum made for people to comment on contents of posts - if they didn't want it to be anyone's business, they shouldn't have done that. So, it's quite the foolish thing to claim now that it's "none of my business", when they wanted to make it the business of every poster here willing to comment. Or is it only the business of those who agree or are willing to entertain their false emotions?
that wasn't your attitude when you posted your serbo-croat thread on a public english language forum the other day.


I've already stated that several times: to expose this insincere wank for what it is.

ah, cuz you care so much about these people's opinions and emotional well-being. except we know you don't. you're just here to be a dickhead for your own twisted kicks.

*looks around slowly*
You people sure do get kind of emotional around these parts.

I can't say I am affected whatsoever by the actor's death, however, I feel bad for the daughter and I feel slightly disturbed about the views he held towards parenthood.

Linky (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23095630-5015788,00.html?from=mostpop)

Yea, that might make for a good topic of discussion.

Would/do you feel good about dying knowing you would 'live on' in your children?

I've already stated that several times: to expose this insincere wank for what it is.
If emotions about people you don't know are necessarily "insincere", then what kind of a wanker are you?

"Expose" it to whom? You don't seem to have been very successful with that.

On the contrary, I've been very successful - they keep bitching about me doing it, so obviously it's seen and thus the exposing has taken place. They're upset about it, true, but it isn't because I've been particularly mean or nasty with it - it's because I've hit the nail on the head and they don't like what I've shown about them, so they lash out. Fortunately such desperate actions of people I've not bought the arguments of have never stopped me before, and have instead been indicators of how close to the truth I really am.

You tried to obfucate by lying about the "importance of everyone's death", but that's clearly a lie since you don't find everyone's death equally important. You find the death of a celebrity more important - what you tongue lies about and tries to cover up for your own sake, your actions reveal.

the deaths people hear about are the deaths that affect them most. that's should be pretty obvious to someone as "lucid" as you. do you expect everyone to pore over the obituary columns of every local newspaper in the world just to satisfy your desire to see 'real' emotions? get real.

You tried to obfucate by lying about the "importance of everyone's death", but that's clearly a lie since you don't find everyone's death equally important. You find the death of a celebrity more important - what you tongue lies about and tries to cover up for your own sake, your actions reveal.

Yeah, I guess we could pretend that was the meat or intent of those posts. It's never been your style to play stupid, but I guess you got to try new things now and then.

What's an accidental overdose of sleeping pills? Could the man not count to one?
To be fair to him - and assuming it was accidental death through sleeping pills - it may well have been the not-too-unlikely scenario that he either had a drink before hand, not eaten or mixed some meds and thus took more because he couldn't remember taking the first lot.

It's easy to get confused and not remember if you've done the wrong thing.
My Dad a couple of years ago was taking a shitload of drugs (including morphine, digesic and diazepam) for his various ailments - so much so that he got a stomach ulcer and started bleeding internally. The bloodloss combined with not eating due to the pain it caused made him very confused as to whether he had taken his daily medicines. End result was that Mum found out he had taken nearly his 3 month supply in less than a month. He would take his morning drugs then, being confused and disorientated, not remember doing so and would take another hit.
He was extremely lucky to survive that level of dosage over that period of time though he did lose 30kgs in just 4 weeks and was hospitalised with severe internal bleeding.

that wasn't your attitude when you posted your serbo-croat thread on a public english language forum the other day.

I wanted that thread to be in Serbo-Croatian - they could have posted anything they wanted there, but in Serbo-Croatian. They didn't, instead they went off-topic and wrote that they did so on purpose. So, I asked for it to be locked. So, that has situation has no parallels to this one, so why you brought it up is an enigma.

ah, cuz you care so much about these people's opinions and emotional well-being. except we know you don't. you're just here to be a dickhead for your own twisted kicks.

We're all here for a reason - they're here to feign emotions publicly, I'm here to not buy it and chide them for it. So?

On the contrary, I've been very successful - they keep bitching about me doing it, so obviously it's seen and thus the exposing has taken place. They're upset about it, true, but it isn't because I've been particularly mean or nasty with it - it's because I've hit the nail on the head and they don't like what I've shown about them, so they lash out. Fortunately such desperate actions of people I've not bought the arguments of have never stopped me before, and have instead been indicators of how close to the truth I really am.
Oh. My. God.

http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-lolani.gif

I will save and treasure this post and it shall live in infamy as the post in which Fass really and truly joined the ranks of the self-deluded trolls.

Do you even still notice how you sound? Really? Because that was bad.


Awesome. http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-lolani.gif

I wanted that thread to be in Serbo-Croatian - they could have posted anything they wanted there, but in Serbo-Croatian. They didn't, instead they went off-topic and wrote that they did so on purpose. So, I asked for it to be locked. So, that has situation has no parallels to this one, so why you brought it up is an enigma.

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the deaths people hear about are the deaths that affect them most.

It is so sad if you actually believe that. No, not all deaths they hear of "affect them most" - they affect them quite differently, in most cases not at all.

that's should be pretty obvious to someone as "lucid" as you. do you expect everyone to pore over the obituary columns of every local newspaper in the world just to satisfy your desire to see 'real' emotions? get real.

If they're not ready to do that, then they shouldn't act so offended when their fake emotions aren't lapped up.

*looks around slowly*
You people sure do get kind of emotional around these parts.

I can't say I am affected whatsoever by the actor's death, however, I feel bad for the daughter and I feel slightly disturbed about the views he held towards parenthood.

Linky (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23095630-5015788,00.html?from=mostpop)

Yea, that might make for a good topic of discussion.

Would/do you feel good about dying knowing you would 'live on' in your children?

it was just a kind of weird way of saying it i reckon, a bit morbid but i sort of get what he means. he didn't actually say there that he wanted to die just that he's now satisfied that he'd have a definite legacy. or at least, that' how i interpreted it.

it was just a kind of weird way of saying it i reckon, a bit morbid but i sort of get what he means. he didn't actually say there that he wanted to die just that he's now satisfied that he'd have a definite legacy. or at least, that' how i interpreted it.

That is how I tried to look at it.
But who knows how he really meant it.

You find the death of a celebrity more important
I don't think that's at all true, speaking either just for me personally or for most people here as far as I have an impression of them. I was quite saddened by the death of a young girl as a bystander in a local gang shootout-- nobody I knew of course, and nobody famous, the name hasn't stuck with me, but the circumstances stirred my emotions at the time.

Yeah, I guess we could pretend that was the meat or intent of those posts.

I don't need to pretend; that's your need, obviously.

You tried to obfucate by lying about the "importance of everyone's death", but that's clearly a lie since you don't find everyone's death equally important. You find the death of a celebrity more important - what you tongue lies about and tries to cover up for your own sake, your actions reveal.

obfuscate my dear, obfuscate.

Oh. My. God.

Your deity being of course as real as your "emotions" surrounding this death.

...

You having nothing to say. Imagine that. Usually that doesn't stop you.

I wanted that thread to be in Serbo-Croatian
And the rest of the world should give a shit about what you want because-- ???

It is so sad if you actually believe that. No, not all deaths they hear of "affect them most" - they affect them quite differently, in most cases not at all.


that's ridiculous, everything that is a stimulus engenders some sort of reation. if the stimulus is not there (in this case, news of a death) then there is no reaction.


If they're not ready to do that, then they shouldn't act so offended when their fake emotions aren't lapped up.

i don't think you're meant to drink them fass, maybe that's where you've been going wrong this whole thread. this wasn't a thread for debate, it's here to take or leave, you should have left.

I don't think that's at all true,

You don't want to think it true.

They're upset about it, true, but it isn't because I've been particularly mean or nasty with it

Not in form, necessarily, but then meanness and nastiness are as much matters of substance.

it's because I've hit the nail on the head and they don't like what I've shown about them, so they lash out.

How do you know that?

Even if they're really faking grief, just the fact of faking grief would obligate them to fake being upset at your criticism of their grief (as someone who actually were grieving would be)... regardless of whether or not you've managed to "expose" them.

That is how I tried to look at it.
But who knows how he really meant it.

actors are a weird bunch, i generally take their ramblings with a pinch of salt. if i take them at all.

Your deity being of course as real as your "emotions" surrounding this death.

:eek:

How many heated debates are you after today?

Seriously, you keep this up and I might get all fired up.

And the rest of the world should give a shit about what you want because-- ???

The rest of the world doesn't - a person who mattered, though, did for self-evident reasons, so she locked at my request. I'm sorry I didn't care what the rest of you thought. Well, of course I'm not, but see how easy it is to fake "sadness"?

I'm sorry I didn't care what the rest of you thought. Well, of course I'm not, but see how easy it is to fake "sadness"?

i wouldn't have said you pulled that one of actually.

that's ridiculous, everything that is a stimulus engenders some sort of reation. if the stimulus is not there (in this case, news of a death) then there is no reaction.

There is also no "reaction" over stimuli, clearly - these people probably hear of deaths daily. They don't "react" in the overwhelming amount of cases. They do, however, "react" more in the case of a celebrity (hence the public wallowing for show), and they do so solely due to and for the celebrity status, because they do value it and those with it more.

i don't think you're meant to drink them fass, maybe that's where you've been going wrong this whole thread. this wasn't a thread for debate, it's here to take or leave, you should have left.

This forum is here for debate. All threads are thus for debate. If not, they're nothing but spam. So, it's fortunate that a discussion got started here (no matter how extremely lopsided in my favour it's been) and I don't shirk from having been part of it.

This forum is here for debate. All threads are thus for debate. If not, they're nothing but spam.

But what is debate other than structured spam?

Spam in a tidy container.
Generally dry.

i wouldn't have said you pulled that one of actually.

Well no one else here has either.

I don't need to pretend; that's your need, obviously.

Right. I'm the one pretending that this-
but in that he's a fellow human being he gets the base line consideration and thats it. Except that's not even the whole sentences. It's-
I don't know him personally, but in that he's a fellow human being he gets the base line consideration for anyone who dies 'young' or 'before their time,' and from the performative perspective it is too bad, as performances like he gave are rarer.
Further to the point, there has been nothing you've provided that in anyway dismisses that. In fact, I've already covered that-
Which frankly is kind of bullshit, if he had for some reason heard about a specific death I'm sure he'd say about what we have said, 'That's too bad.'
A baseline consideration does not have to include combing obituraries and death notices and creating threads about each one or beating my chest or anything like that. If a co-worker tells me about the death of a cousin or for that matter their fucking cat, I express regret not unlike what was typed here. It's too bad. If for some reason I knew something about the cousin, there would be something adding to that regret. This isn't faked, it's just a base line concern. You have failed in any way to prove that doesn't exist.

As to why Ledger's death gets a thread and my co-worker's cousin's cat does not, why thats what all those other words that surrounded your red herring you so desperately hoped would pull you out of this morass are for...I'll only pick a short version since it seems retention isn't your friend today-

A notable mathematician, mountain climber, or actor becomes part shared consciousness so their deaths, especially if 'early' or 'sudden,' become topics of discussion. It doesn't mean that their deaths are more important than 'other peoples' or even that people are pretending they knew him or are taking it as hard as they would a more 'personal' death.

But yeah. I'm the one playing dumb. You keep telling yourself that.

You don't want to think it true.
Shto? Tu ne znas pervi od mne.

This forum is here for debate. All threads are thus for debate. If not, they're nothing but spam. So, it's fortunate that a discussion got started here (no matter how extremely lopsided in my favour it's been) and I don't shirk from having been part of it.
So in that case people were perfectly in the right to post questions in English in your Serbo-Croatian thread wondering what it was about.

There is also no "reaction" over stimuli, clearly - these people probably hear of deaths daily. They don't "react" in the overwhelming amount of cases. They do, however, "react" more in the case of a celebrity (hence the public wallowing for show), and they do so solely due to and for the celebrity status, because they do value it and those with it more.
or perhaps because they know that others will also have heard about it and have had a reaction to share if they so wish.


This forum is here for debate. All threads are thus for debate. If not, they're nothing but spam. So, it's fortunate that a discussion got started here (no matter how extremely lopsided in my favour it's been) and I don't shirk from having been part of it.

this forum is here "for discussion and debate about anything", that means you can expect to find debates in here, it also means you can expect discussions. the two do not have to exist in the same thread. a thread discussing reactions to the death of a well known actor is not, therefore, spam. you turned it into a debate by being a dickhead.

Shto? Tu ne znas pervi od mne.

That sentence is gibberish ("Why? There you don't know 'pervi' of 'mne'"). Care to try again in English which you at least seem to have a basic command of and that this thread is in?

So in that case people were perfectly in the right to post questions in English in your Serbo-Croatian thread wondering what it was about.

In Serbo-Croatian - as I stated in the OP, I even gave a topic for discussion. They didn't, though. Here, we're so far quite on topic and are keeping to the language of the thread, at least I am (you're trying to pull in a discussion about a thread irrelevant to this, and someone else is trying and failing at another language and so on, but not me - I'm not indulging either of you... well, you not any more unless you actually have something on topic to say).

In Serbo-Croatian - as I stated in the OP, I even gave a topic for discussion. They didn't, though. Here, we're so far quite on topic and are keeping to the language of the thread, at least I am (you're trying to pull in a discussion about a thread irrelevant to this, and someone else is trying and failing at another language and so on, but not me - I'm not indulging either of you... well, you not any more unless you actually have something on topic to say).

My point is that you're being hypocritical and you're not even noticing it.

But, then, no matter what I say, you won't listen, so I think I'll just watch you burrow your way further and further in your hole you've dug.

or perhaps because they know that others will also have heard about it and have had a reaction to share if they so wish.

Well, then they should also know there will be others to react to their "reaction" - that's what a public forum is all about. They have closed fora and instant messaging and TGs and stuff like that for convos they don't want a discussion and debate in.

this forum is here "for discussion and debate about anything", that means you can expect to find debates in here, it also means you can expect discussions. the two do not have to exist in the same thread. a thread discussing reactions to the death of a well known actor is not, therefore, spam. you turned it into a debate by being a dickhead.

Debate and discussions go hand in hand and neither is precluded from any open thread here - in fact they are encouraged. You calling me a dickhead for actually using this forum like it was meant to be used says very little about me and more about how you'd probably be better off in the spam forum if those who discuss and debate are "dickheads" according to you.

My point is that you're being hypocritical and you're not even noticing it.

And since the irrelevant thread has no parallel to be drawn with this one that in any way affects me or anything here, you are being off-topic and failing quite miserably at showing this "hypocrisy", which it also is off-topic. So, as I said - no more replies for you until you have something on-topic to say.

Well, then they should also know there will be others to react to their "reaction" - that's what a public forum is all about. They have closed fora and instant messaging and TGs and stuff like that for convos they don't want a discussion and debate in.



Debate and discussions go hand in hand and neither is precluded from any open thread here - in fact they are encouraged. You calling me a dickhead for actually using this forum like it was meant to be used says very little about me and more about how you'd probably be better off in the spam forum if those who discuss and debate are "dickheads" according to you.

people who lack restraint in threads such as this are dickheads. you're not going get away with twisting my words.

I'm sorry I didn't care what the rest of you thought. Well, of course I'm not, but see how easy it is to fake "sadness"?
For someone who professes often and loudly about never 'caring for what others think', you certainly spend an inordinate amount of time on here responding to almost each and every post, insulting, belittling, and pompously disagreeing with all and sundry.

Your actions are not in accordance with, nor do they bear out, your words.

That sentence is gibberish
No it wasn't. It said "What? You don't know the first thing about me."

For someone who professes often and loudly about never 'caring for what others think', you certainly spend an inordinate amount of time on here responding to almost each and every post, insulting, belittling, and pompously disagreeing with all and sundry.

Your actions are not in accordance with, nor do they bear out, your words.

I never said I didn't care about responding to things which are at least trying to argue things with me and so far most posts have contained such things. So, my actions are quite in accordance with the things I haven't said because they're quite obvious, or at least I thought they were before you made me make this post to say them.

No it wasn't. It said "What? You don't know the first thing about me."

It didn't say that. If it had wanted to say that it should have said something like "Sta? Ti ni ne znas prvu stvar o meni" or "Sta? Ti nemas pojma o meni" instead of saying "Why? There you don't know 'pervi' of 'mne'" - but I'll tell you the same thing I just told another poster: post something on-topic or I won't be responding to you further.

It didn't say that. If it had wanted to say that it should have said something like "Sta? Ti ni ne znas prvu stvar o meni"....
Only if I was posting in Serbo-Croatian. Why in the world would you expect me, or anybody, to post in Serbo-Croatian???

"post something on-topic "? I did. Whether you choose to respond or not is not actually something that rouses any emotional concern in me; certainly less than, say, news of someone's death.

There is also no "reaction" over stimuli, clearly - these people probably hear of deaths daily. They don't "react" in the overwhelming amount of cases. They do, however, "react" more in the case of a celebrity (hence the public wallowing for show), and they do so solely due to and for the celebrity status, because they do value it and those with it more.


People react to a celebrity because of their celebrity. It's not BECAUSE they are famous or rich, it's not BECAUSE of this mvoie, or that song. It's because a famous person is like a common friend. A universal value.

Now, not everyone is a huge Heath Ledger fan (for example, that being the topic) but a lot of people are familiar with Heath Ledger. A lot of people know more about Heath Ledger than they might know about some of their circle of friends. A lot of people have shared intimate moments with Heath Ledger... seen him laugh, seen him cry, seen him hurt, seen him happy.

We aren't all friends with Heath Ledger. Or any other celebrity figure... but that doesn't mean we lack personal connection to those people.

And, when someone you feel like you know well dies, especially when it feels like they didn't 'deserve' it... well, it does gain responses from a broad spectrum.

Does that mean people are silly, mourning a loss of a friend that was never a REAL friend? Maybe... we ARE a silly species, after all. But, does it mean that emotional responses are fake? No - it just means we all express and feel differently, and not all of us have the emotional range of a teaspoon.


This forum is here for debate. All threads are thus for debate. If not, they're nothing but spam. So, it's fortunate that a discussion got started here (no matter how extremely lopsided in my favour it's been) and I don't shirk from having been part of it.

It's probably a matter for Moderation to decide - but I seem to recall people have been 'modded' for being 'inappropriate' in this kind of thread before.

Add to that, you accusing someone of 'faking' their emotional responses isn't debate. And, it's as nonsensical as someone accusing you of faking your sexuality.

I actually find myself wondering if you were a secret big Heath Ledger fan - you sound like the redneck at the cinema mocking anyone who cries at the sad part of the movie. The lady doth protest too much, methinks?

I know nothing about you, but your initial posts show a nasty lack of empathy. I hope they were just jokes.

And yes people: good old Fred Phelps will use this funeral to spread his version of the Christian message of love and understanding.

For those who do not know Phelps, this boils down to "HURRAH - THE FAGGOTLOVER IS DEAD ! PRAISE JESUS !"

Who wants to shoot him ?
I.
pay my ticket and I'll be there.

And yes people: good old Fred Phelps will use this funeral to spread his version of the Christian message of love and understanding.

For those who do not know Phelps, this boils down to "HURRAH - THE FAGGOTLOVER IS DEAD ! PRAISE JESUS !"

Who wants to shoot him ?

That would mean the world is filled with constant tragedy, and we should be incessantly concerned about it.

That's crazy. People die. Just accept it.There is constant tragedy in the world, but there are also other things, such as joy and hope. We needn't necessarily be concerned with all of the tragedy, but acknowledging it helps prevent greater tragedies from occurring.

Hey Fass how about a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up and go away? I know you live to troll and stir shit up, but kindly take it elsewhere. You've made what I figured was a thread that would go a page or two at most into a 200 post long monstrosity wherein you bitch whine and lament that everyone isn't an emotionless glacier like yourself.

Get the fuck over yourself, it's not all about you.

I am one of the few people in this thread who agrees with Fass. Being sad that your favourite celrity has died is ok but with the level of grief expessed in this thread you'd think Ledger cured cancer or something. He was a good actor, it sucks that he died now lets move on and stop bashing Fass.


Fassigen-The NSG's answer to DNS.

I am one of the few people in this thread who agrees with Fass. Being sad that your favourite celrity has died is ok but with the level of grief expessed in this thread you'd think Ledger cured cancer or something. He was a good actor, it sucks that he died now lets move on and stop bashing Fass.


Fassigen-The NSG's answer to DNS.

Honey, did you READ the thread? o_O

The "level of grief expressed in this thread" is exactly commensurate to saying exactly what you just said in your post, "it sucks that he died".

And I don't think Fass needs you to defend him, just like pointing out that someone has not brought forth a single argument supporting his outrageous claim of being able to read the minds of every single poster despite being asked again and again and again does not amount to bashing.

This thread should not be about Fassitude. But it's become so irretrievably devoted to discussing him, rather than his arguments, that I'm locking it.

Anyone is welcome to start another thread on the original topic -- the death of Heath Ledger -- or on the general topics that arose during the discussion, such as public reactions to the death of a celebrity, or the Fred Phelps display.

I won't call this thread "bashing", since I think the slugfest was pretty equal, but DO NOT START ANOTHER LIKE IT. Anyone.