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I was beaten up today.

Kostemetsia
22-01-2008, 12:13
So you're a Caucasian Australian, correct?

I have no idea why this would have happened - the Indigenous Australians I know are quite peaceful people. I live in south-east Queensland.

Do you know her? Was there some other reason that she might have attacked you?
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 12:15
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even [I]know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.
Jeruselem
22-01-2008, 12:16
I live in the Northern Territory, a lot of indigenous people I see are drifters who got kicked out their home communities for their alcohol abuse. Sadly, the alcohol abuse is pretty bad up here. She might have been under the influence of alcohol and most of the time - they beat each other up.
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 12:20
So you're a Caucasian Australian, correct?

Yes.

*snip* Do you know her? ?

No.

Was there some other reason that she might have attacked you?

Because she thought I was "looking at her".
Risottia
22-01-2008, 12:26
The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

This proves, if there was any need, that idiocy and racism aren't skin-colour related illnesses.
Jeruselem
22-01-2008, 12:28
Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.

I know it isn't, but these people are on a self-destructive path which unfortunately - you ran into. I keep away from mobs of drunk locals, especially when fighting each other.

I'm Asian (not Jewish), and I got into all sorts of fights with white bullies at primary school. Admittedly, I also had a short temper then too.

* Err, time WARP *
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 12:30
I live in the Northern Territory, a lot of indigenous people I see are drifters who got kicked out their home communities for their alcohol abuse. Sadly, the alcohol abuse is pretty bad up here. She might have been under the influence of alcohol and most of the time - they beat each other up.

Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 12:43
I know it isn't, but these people are on a self-destructive path which unfortunately - you ran into. I keep away from mobs of drunk locals, especially when fighting each other.

I'm Asian (not Jewish), and I got into all sorts of fights with white bullies at primary school.

* Err, time WARP *

I don't think that "these people" is a fair term.

And I was walking past to go to the bus. I wasn't aware she was drunk at the time, and even if I was, walking past her was unavoidable.

I'm sorry you were bullied. Some kids at my school were racist against Asians, too.
Kostemetsia
22-01-2008, 12:44
It's odd, you know. I may have a sheltered outlook, but at the end of the day, I've got to admit that I've almost never seen minorities being racist. Indigenous Australians are now very much a minority, thanks to European colonisation.
Fall of Empire
22-01-2008, 12:47
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even [I]know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

I'm really sorry about what happened to you. It does seem to me that racism is rising amongst all races. The MeCha now get to join the proud ranks of the KKK and the Neo Nazis.
Jeruselem
22-01-2008, 12:51
I don't think that "these people" is a fair term.

And I was walking past to go to the bus. I wasn't aware she was drunk at the time, and even if I was, walking past her was unavoidable.

I'm sorry you were bullied. Some kids at my school were racist against Asians, too.

I can't avoid the locals here. They are everywhere! Most folk here are used to Asians, except the usual rednecks.

I'd seen one attack a bus. Yes, when the demon drink takes over - anyone can become a total nuisance.
Jeruselem
22-01-2008, 12:54
It's odd, you know. I may have a sheltered outlook, but at the end of the day, I've got to admit that I've almost never seen minorities being racist. Indigenous Australians are now very much a minority, thanks to European colonisation.

Depends where you live in, where I am - I think 20 to 25% are Indigenous. I'm a city so there's a lot more Europeans around relatively.
Peepelonia
22-01-2008, 13:12
Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.

I would ask how you can know that for sure? Could not her comment to whoever pulled her off of you have been one of 'why are you taking her side against mine'?

Okay it does look like this girl does not like white people, but how are you sure that is the reason your were attacked?
Imperial isa
22-01-2008, 13:18
Because she thought I was "looking at her".

oh seen that alot, they drunk think you looking at them when not and start a fight with you,just think yourself lucky others did not join in
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 13:19
I would ask how you can know that for sure? Could not her comment to whoever pulled her off of you have been one of 'why are you taking her side against mine'?

Okay it does look like this girl does not like white people, but how are you sure that is the reason your were attacked?

Read the OP, please.
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 13:21
oh seen that alot, they drunk think you looking at them when not and start a fight with you,just think yourself lucky others did not join in

I didn't even know she was drinking. A lot of people are like that, though. I guess she has a complex about it.

I'm lucky the guy got her off of me. She would have kept hitting me, for sure. I already have two huge lumps on my head, an injured neck, and scratches etc.
The Alma Mater
22-01-2008, 13:22
What was that Pratchett quote again ?
*searches*
*found it*


"Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk"
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 13:26
I'm really sorry about what happened to you. It does seem to me that racism is rising amongst all races. The MeCha now get to join the proud ranks of the KKK and the Neo Nazis.

Thanks.

I think it's time everyone realises that racism isn't just "black" and "white" (pun intended).
Imperial isa
22-01-2008, 13:32
I didn't even know she was drinking. A lot of people are like that, though. I guess she has a complex about it.

I'm lucky the guy got her off of me. She would have kept hitting me, for sure. I already have two huge lumps on my head, an injured neck, and scratches etc.

i've seen ones who would beat you up just for thining you looked at them funny and i got beaten up by one because when he heard his cousin lost her lunch money and i had money that day which my sister had given me , got it into his head i stole it from her
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 13:36
i've seen ones who would beat you up just for thining you looked at them funny and i got beaten up by one because when he heard his cousin lost her lunch money and i had money that day which my sister had given me , got it into his head i stole it from her

The "ones"?
Peepelonia
22-01-2008, 13:40
Read the OP, please.

*sigh* What is this, are my words really that hard to understand?

I read the OP, the question I asked is how can you be sure it was a racially motivated attack?
Imperial isa
22-01-2008, 13:42
The "ones"?

ones likely to been in jail and go back kind
Call to power
22-01-2008, 13:50
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

you got beaten up and got off lightly not really thread worthy

now fix yourself up and being a masochist all over NS

"why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

no you wasn't she was picking out what she doesn't like about you for all that mattered you could of been an Irish Aboriginal

people will always find something they don't like about you its life

Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.

Alcohol isn't the excuse no, since it only amplifies personality traits however racism this is not
Lunatic Goofballs
22-01-2008, 14:18
What was that Pratchett quote again ?
*searches*
*found it*

"Just because someone's a member of an ethnic minority doesn't mean they're not a nasty small-minded little jerk"


Yay! :D
Fishutopia
22-01-2008, 15:11
Alcohol isn't the excuse no, since it only amplifies personality traits however racism this is not

I think it is. The critical question is "If the victim was an aboriginal, instead of being white, would they have been beaten up?" If the answer is no, the skin colour matters, and it is racism.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying an aborigine wont attack other aborigines. I'm an Australian and my work means I spend some time with aborigines. They are almost always more brutal to other aborigines, than to whites. But they Very Rarely attack a random aborigine.
Cotland
22-01-2008, 15:52
I didn't even know she was drinking. A lot of people are like that, though. I guess she has a complex about it.

I'm lucky the guy got her off of me. She would have kept hitting me, for sure. I already have two huge lumps on my head, an injured neck, and scratches etc.
Quick question: Did you fight back?
Ifreann
22-01-2008, 16:00
Scumbags come in all flavours.
Mad hatters in jeans
22-01-2008, 16:03
I empathise, oh um have you told police, your parents and have you seen a doctor.(i know these are really obvious things, but go through the proper channels and you'l have a better result).
Thinking back to when i suffered an attack or two, the next day i felt really angry and frustrated, so i imagine it's best to find a way to deal with these things before telling us on NSG.
urg i need more sleep, i crashed at a friends and couldn't sleep properly because someone else was breathing heavily, and that noisy noisy alarm thing, a little blip once every 30 seconds.
Oh and more words of my wisdom, try not to worry about it and give yourself a break from mentally stressful activities.
have a quick recovery.
OceanDrive2
22-01-2008, 17:08
Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.Racism in Australia?

what else is new?
Call to power
22-01-2008, 17:32
SNIP

I think I'm going to need proof that it was race related though it just sounds like drunk girl being a dick

Quick question: Did you fight back?

she should of pulled at her clothes and started rolling around in the mud and stuff...whats wrong with me today :eek:
Kalmurstan
22-01-2008, 18:02
Yeah, sucks to get beat up at any time, regardless of if it's by a drunk or because of the colour of your skin. I've just got a couple of points I'd like to make, then I'll be on my merry little way.

Firstly, alcohol is not to blame. All alcohol does is reduce your inhibitions and makes you more likely to do something, but since they chose to drink the alcohol in the first place, the blame lies squarely with them.

Secondly, as far as racism goes, yeah, it's kind of hard to prove one way or the other, especially when they're drunk because there's always the possibility that they were just being a fool. A previous poster has gone down the route of asking if the OP'er had been an aboriginal, would things have been different. I'm still be interested in the hypothetical colour switch argument. What if the OP'er was the aboriginal, and the attacker white. Would a comment of "Why are you helping the aboriginal?" be viewed as more or less racist?

Obviously, without knowing all the details, I don't want to say what provoked the attack.
Caruut
22-01-2008, 18:41
Yeah, sucks to get beat up at any time, regardless of if it's by a drunk or because of the colour of your skin. I've just got a couple of points I'd like to make, then I'll be on my merry little way.

Firstly, alcohol is not to blame. All alcohol does is reduce your inhibitions and makes you more likely to do something, but since they chose to drink the alcohol in the first place, the blame lies squarely with them.

Secondly, as far as racism goes, yeah, it's kind of hard to prove one way or the other, especially when they're drunk because there's always the possibility that they were just being a fool. A previous poster has gone down the route of asking if the OP'er had been an aboriginal, would things have been different. I'm still be interested in the hypothetical colour switch argument. What if the OP'er was the aboriginal, and the attacker white. Would a comment of "Why are you helping the aboriginal?" be viewed as more or less racist?

Obviously, without knowing all the details, I don't want to say what provoked the attack.

It would be viewed as more racist. Perhaps not rightly, but the aboriginals have suffered far more at the hands of the white colonists than the whites have at the hands of the aboriginals.

I was mugged the other week by two guys. They kicked and punched my legs chest and neck repeatedly and threw me into a bush, all the time shouting for my phone. In a remarkably useful display of absent mindedness, the panic of the attack caused me to forget I had it on me. I could have claimed that the two working class men in their 20's attacked me, a 15 year old middle class kid (made evident by my clothing, I think) because of class conflict. I'm sensible enough to know that this is almost certainly not the case. They were probably very poor, and probably had been unable to buy a gift for the next day (it was Christmas eve" so they tried to mug me. Bottom line, I kept all my stuff, nothing really happened.

Still, the OP thinks the attack was racist, and he's entitled to that view. It seems to be based on one sentence from a probably drunk person, "Why are you helping the white girl". From what you're said, I think both of them were aboriginal? If they were, could it not simply be an easy distinction between them and you?

Whatever the attack's motivation, white Australians are, by on large, more racist than the minority natives. The aboriginies have far more reason for racial grievance than the whites.
Liuzzo
22-01-2008, 20:06
Alcohol isn't an excuse. At the end of the day, this issue is about one racist, aggressive individual who attacked me.

You need to learn to scrap. "My rules to fighting are simple...Whatever a man can do he can, and whatever he cannot he cannot." Sure the person was racist, but you could have found a way to get the btter of them. Especially a drunk lunatic.
OceanDrive2
22-01-2008, 20:56
Firstly, alcohol is not to blame.the way I see it, alcohol does make me more likely to speak loudly, be more arrogant, be more self confident, give less consideration to possible consequences, etc.

in another words Alcohol makes me more likely to have sex, more likely to fight and more likely to tell the cops to go fuck themselves. :cool:

That is just a scientific observation it not an excuse . I do think I should still be held legally accountable for my "missdemoanors ".. If caught :D
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:04
The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

It doesn't actually seem like you were - in fact your claim as for that being her motive is tenuous at best, if your OP is verisimilar.
Kontor
22-01-2008, 22:08
It doesn't actually seem like you were - in fact your claim as for that being her motive is tenuous at best, if your OP is verisimilar.

Yea, non-white racism is impossible.
Neesika
22-01-2008, 22:23
Yea, non-white racism is impossible.

Uh-huh. I saw this sort of thing all the time growing up in a rural area. Except...*gasp!* the people beating up on one another were white!

You're a little quick to call it racism.
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:24
Yea, non-white racism is impossible.

It isn't, but there is nothing in the OP that indicates race was a motive for the attack. All the OP has is "why are you helping the white girl" which doesn't seem racist at all, but just delineating. Had the aboriginal girl used some sort of disparaging racial comment ("why are you helping the cracker/honkey/[insert racial invective here]"), then the OP might have had a sturdier cross to victimise herself on, but "white girl" simply isn't racist in and of itself - apparently the OP is white and a girl. If the OP wants to see that as insulting, well that's up to her, but her solely.
Neesika
22-01-2008, 22:25
It isn't, but there is nothing in the OP that indicates race was a motive for the attack. All the OP has is "why are you helping the white girl" which doesn't seem racist at all, but just delineating. Had the aboriginal girl used some sort of disparaging racial comment, then the OP might have had a sturdier cross to victimise herself on, but "white girl" simply isn't racist in and of itself - apparently the OP is white and a girl. If the OP wants to see that as insulting, well...

Making note of her skin colour AND her gender indicates both racism and sexism. *nods*
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:28
Making note of her skin colour AND her gender indicates both racism and sexism. *nods*

To people looking for stakes to impale themselves on, because they love playing mock-victims, no doubt that's the case.
Neesika
22-01-2008, 22:42
To people looking for stakes to impale themselves on, because they love playing mock-victims, no doubt that's the case.

Well once one behaves in a racist and/or sexist manner towards you, you are free to remove the gloves and talk smack about them and not be called a racist/sexist.
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:44
Well once one behaves in a racist and/or sexist manner towards you, you are free to remove the gloves and talk smack about them and not be called a racist/sexist.

Poor, poor disadvantaged white folk, when will they ever catch a break?
Neesika
22-01-2008, 22:46
Poor, poor white folk, when will they ever catch a break?

Especially the middle class, heterosexual able-bodied white males! Won't someone think of the middle class, heterosexual able-bodied white males!

At least this girl is less oppressed by virtue of having ovaries.
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:52
Especially the middle class, heterosexual able-bodied white males! Won't someone think of the middle class, heterosexual able-bodied white males!

I think of them and what thing they need, always ready to give 'em one. So, never claim I never did nothin' for them.

At least this girl is less oppressed by virtue of having ovaries.

And what use has she of those?
Neesika
22-01-2008, 22:55
And what use has she of those?

They allow her to be less oppressed than her male counterparts, clearly. You'd think more men would be wanting ovaries.
Fassitude
22-01-2008, 22:58
They allow her to be less oppressed than her male counterparts, clearly. You'd think more men would be wanting ovaries.

Well with the man's longing to have his own man and still not be a cock-sucking, mandingo faggot, you may be on to something.
Amor Pulchritudo
22-01-2008, 23:55
*sigh* What is this, are my words really that hard to understand?

No.

I read the OP, the question I asked is how can you be sure it was a racially motivated attack?

I'm not saying it was entirely racially motivated. If you read my original post, I said there were other reasons (drunkedness, for one). In the end, she randomly attacked a complete stranger walking along the street. And, personally, I don't feel that she would have attacked me if I was the same race as her.

I think it is. The critical question is "If the victim was an aboriginal, instead of being white, would they have been beaten up?" If the answer is no, the skin colour matters, and it is racism.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying an aborigine wont attack other aborigines. I'm an Australian and my work means I spend some time with aborigines. They are almost always more brutal to other aborigines, than to whites. But they Very Rarely attack a random aborigine.

I had the same thoughts. I truly feel it wouldn't have happened if I was also an Aborigine. I think that she was quick to assume that I was "looking at her" (which, obviously, I wasn't - I was walking past!), and I think she made this assumption because I was White.

Quick question: Did you fight back?

Why? Because that would make it different somehow?
Perhaps if you can justify the question, I'll answer you.

I empathise, oh um have you told police, your parents and have you seen a doctor.(i know these are really obvious things, but go through the proper channels and you'l have a better result).

Yeh, the police were involved immediately, so that's partially why I'm not going to give all the details. I just thought I'd mention the whole issue because of the "first encounter with racism thread" a few days ago. My family know, and I'm getting x-rays and stuff this morning. My neck is pretty badly hurt.

Thinking back to when i suffered an attack or two, the next day i felt really angry and frustrated, so i imagine it's best to find a way to deal with these things before telling us on NSG.
urg i need more sleep, i crashed at a friends and couldn't sleep properly because someone else was breathing heavily, and that noisy noisy alarm thing, a little blip once every 30 seconds.
Oh and more words of my wisdom, try not to worry about it and give yourself a break from mentally stressful activities.
have a quick recovery.

I'm not that angry... just weird, and talkative. I'm going to rest today, though. Thanks.

Scumbags come in all flavours.

That's very true.

Racism in Australia?

what else is new?

Hahaha.

Yeah, sucks to get beat up at any time, regardless of if it's by a drunk or because of the colour of your skin. I've just got a couple of points I'd like to make, then I'll be on my merry little way.

Firstly, alcohol is not to blame. All alcohol does is reduce your inhibitions and makes you more likely to do something, but since they chose to drink the alcohol in the first place, the blame lies squarely with them.

Secondly, as far as racism goes, yeah, it's kind of hard to prove one way or the other, especially when they're drunk because there's always the possibility that they were just being a fool. A previous poster has gone down the route of asking if the OP'er had been an aboriginal, would things have been different. I'm still be interested in the hypothetical colour switch argument. What if the OP'er was the aboriginal, and the attacker white. Would a comment of "Why are you helping the aboriginal?" be viewed as more or less racist?

Obviously, without knowing all the details, I don't want to say what provoked the attack.

Look, obviously I can't say I was definitely attacked because of the colour of my skin, alone, but I feel that I wouldn't have been attacked if I were Aboriginal, personally, but obviously unless the hypothetical situation actually happened, you can't be sure. I guess that if I attacked an Aborigine, in this strange perverted hypothetical that assumes that I'd ever hit anyone, I wouldn't say "why are you helping the Aborigine?" But that's just me. I also think that, because the victim is Aboriginal, I think it would have automatically been seen as a racially based attack. In my case, however, it's just "common assault". I don't know if it's fair that in this situation, that she's able to have a special Aboriginal-rights person and all of the rest, when there are only 2 viable reasons for the attack: 1. She's a lunatic. 2. She's a racist lunatic. In either case, her rights weren't violated, and mine were.

It would be viewed as more racist. Perhaps not rightly, but the aboriginals have suffered far more at the hands of the white colonists than the whites have at the hands of the aboriginals.

I was mugged the other week by two guys. They kicked and punched my legs chest and neck repeatedly and threw me into a bush, all the time shouting for my phone. In a remarkably useful display of absent mindedness, the panic of the attack caused me to forget I had it on me. I could have claimed that the two working class men in their 20's attacked me, a 15 year old middle class kid (made evident by my clothing, I think) because of class conflict. I'm sensible enough to know that this is almost certainly not the case. They were probably very poor, and probably had been unable to buy a gift for the next day (it was Christmas eve" so they tried to mug me. Bottom line, I kept all my stuff, nothing really happened.

Still, the OP thinks the attack was racist, and he's entitled to that view. It seems to be based on one sentence from a probably drunk person, "Why are you helping the white girl". From what you're said, I think both of them were aboriginal? If they were, could it not simply be an easy distinction between them and you?

Whatever the attack's motivation, white Australians are, by on large, more racist than the minority natives. The aboriginies have far more reason for racial grievance than the whites.

1. I'm not a "he".
2. This is the very problem I want to address: the fact that you think that because I'm a White-Australian, I am automatically more racist than minority natives. I'm not. I am the least racist person I know, and in this "racial grievance" isn't an excuse. She beat up a random, younger, weaker girl, and whatever racism she's experienced from Whites doesn't give her an excuse to do that.

You need to learn to scrap. "My rules to fighting are simple...Whatever a man can do he can, and whatever he cannot he cannot." Sure the person was racist, but you could have found a way to get the btter of them. Especially a drunk lunatic.

Uhh... Yeh, I'll turn back time and learn Kung-Fu.
If I was able to protect myself, I would have.

To people looking for stakes to impale themselves on, because they love playing mock-victims, no doubt that's the case.

Playing a mock-vitim? I'm an 18 year old girl who was randomly attacked. In the end, even if this has nothing to do with race (I feel it has, but I'm sure there's some very small chance that I could be wrong), I was attacked, hit in the head, thrown to the ground and assaulted. The fact that I'm a victim is in no way false.
Infinite Revolution
23-01-2008, 00:49
i was beaten up once for poking a fat man in the belly. well, actually for trying to split up a fight between said fat man and my psycotic ex-flatmate. and the fat man nicked my hat first.
Fassitude
23-01-2008, 00:56
Playing a mock-vitim? I'm an 18 year old girl who was randomly attacked. In the end, even if this has nothing to do with race (I feel it has, but I'm sure there's some very small chance that I could be wrong), I was attacked, hit in the head, thrown to the ground and assaulted. The fact that I'm a victim is in no way false.

If one buys your account of it, and wouldn't you know I'm all out of Aussie dollars to purchase it for.
Fall of Empire
23-01-2008, 01:05
If one buys your account of it, and wouldn't you know I'm all out of Aussie dollars to purchase it for.

That's just a touch obnoxious.
Eureka Australis
23-01-2008, 01:05
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even [I]know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

Get lost and go back to stormfront lier.
Kalmurstan
23-01-2008, 01:31
Look, obviously I can't say I was definitely attacked because of the colour of my skin, alone, but I feel that I wouldn't have been attacked if I were Aboriginal

Then by all means, let the police know you believe it was racially motivated (if you haven't already). No-one on here was there (excepting yourself) so we don't know exactly what happened or how.

in this strange perverted hypothetical that assumes that I'd ever hit anyone, <snip> I think it would have automatically been seen as a racially based attack.

I'm definitely going to agree with you on this one. In my experience, an assault on a white man in my local pub started with the words "Oi, whitey" and then a glass being broken over his head. Not racially motivated, apparently. I'm guessing had it been a white man glassing a black man, with the words "Oh, darky", the police line would've been different.

she's able to have a special Aboriginal-rights person and all of the rest, when there are only 2 viable reasons for the attack: 1. She's a lunatic. 2. She's a racist lunatic. In either case, her rights weren't violated, and mine were.

It's unfortunate that, after years of mistreatment, now we are finally (and rightfully) treating minorities as equals, our police (at least in the UK, where I live) are so afraid of a public outcry against some implied wrongdoing against a minority that they undermine the very equality the system should be founded upon.
Potarius
23-01-2008, 01:44
i was beaten up once for poking a fat man in the belly. well, actually for trying to split up a fight between said fat man and my psycotic ex-flatmate. and the fat man nicked my hat first.

That's the best mental image I've had all day.

Seriously, some guy just pokes a fat guy in the stomach, and then proceeds to get wailed on? That's the stuff of legend... Even if it did involve a flatmate.
Kontor
23-01-2008, 01:54
It isn't, but there is nothing in the OP that indicates race was a motive for the attack. All the OP has is "why are you helping the white girl" which doesn't seem racist at all, but just delineating. Had the aboriginal girl used some sort of disparaging racial comment ("why are you helping the cracker/honkey/[insert racial invective here]"), then the OP might have had a sturdier cross to victimise herself on, but "white girl" simply isn't racist in and of itself - apparently the OP is white and a girl. If the OP wants to see that as insulting, well that's up to her, but her solely.

I suppose so.
Infinite Revolution
23-01-2008, 01:54
That's the best mental image I've had all day.

Seriously, some guy just pokes a fat guy in the stomach, and then proceeds to get wailed on? That's the stuff of legend... Even if it did involve a flatmate.

he was seriously unimpressed, haha! :D

still, that fight got broken up by the police before any serious blows were landed. the beatings came afterwards while the police were questioning witnesses. got jumped by four of the fat guy's mates, i guess they thought i was trying to pitch in to the second fight intead of break it up.
Potarius
23-01-2008, 01:57
he was seriously unimpressed, haha! :D

still, that fight got broken up by the police before any serious blows were landed. the beatings came afterwards while the police were questioning witnesses. got jumped by four of the fat guy's mates, i guess they thought i was trying to pitch in to the second fight intead of break it up.

Dude, if all of those other guys were just as fat as their fat friend, that would've cracked me the fuck up.
Amor Pulchritudo
23-01-2008, 11:16
If one buys your account of it, and wouldn't you know I'm all out of Aussie dollars to purchase it for.

Get lost and go back to stormfront lier.

Oh, because it's oh so cool to lie on the internet? :rolleyes:
Fishutopia
23-01-2008, 14:16
It's been said before but I'm going to make it more black and white (no pun intended).

Imagine this. A black person walks past a group of white people, and a drunk white person from that group, assaults her. A white person pulls the aggro white person off the black victim, and a white person from the group says "Why are you helping the ******?".

That would be seen as racist by 99% of the people who post on these boards. It just seems a bit hypocritical that some people are arguing it's not racist, or implying the OP is some kind of Hitler Youth Stormtrooper.
Peepelonia
23-01-2008, 14:29
It's been said before but I'm going to make it more black and white (no pun intended).

Imagine this. A black person walks past a group of white people, and a drunk white person from that group, assaults her. A white person pulls the aggro white person off the black victim, and a white person from the group says "Why are you helping the ******?".

That would be seen as racist by 99% of the people who post on these boards. It just seems a bit hypocritical that some people are arguing it's not racist, or implying the OP is some kind of Hitler Youth Stormtrooper.

A racist statement yes, but that does not show that the attack was racial motivated now does it!
Nobel Hobos
23-01-2008, 14:34
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even [I]know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

I hope you weren't seriously hurt.

If you can't identify the woman who attacked you, there might not seem to be much point ... but report this to the police anyway. The woman might be known to them, may be on parole for the same sort of behaviour.

It isn't about gender or race, there's a simple principle here. People who physically assault strangers for nothing need locking up.
Amor Pulchritudo
24-01-2008, 10:18
It's been said before but I'm going to make it more black and white (no pun intended).

Imagine this. A black person walks past a group of white people, and a drunk white person from that group, assaults her. A white person pulls the aggro white person off the black victim, and a white person from the group says "Why are you helping the ******?".

That would be seen as racist by 99% of the people who post on these boards. It just seems a bit hypocritical that some people are arguing it's not racist, or implying the OP is some kind of Hitler Youth Stormtrooper.

I agree.

And it's just insane that anyone thinks I'm racist.

I hope you weren't seriously hurt.

If you can't identify the woman who attacked you, there might not seem to be much point ... but report this to the police anyway. The woman might be known to them, may be on parole for the same sort of behaviour.

It isn't about gender or race, there's a simple principle here. People who physically assault strangers for nothing need locking up.


I'm okay. I'll need physio on my neck, and my head's still brusied. The bruise on my face is fading, luckily. The police caught her, and it's going to trial. I agree, because in the end, even if this was by some small chance nothing to do with race, she did the wrong thing.
Infinite Revolution
24-01-2008, 12:57
Dude, if all of those other guys were just as fat as their fat friend, that would've cracked me the fuck up.

unfortunately not, at least the guy that broke my nose and jumped on my back certainly wasn't, the rest were kind of medium build i guess.
Ifreann
24-01-2008, 13:28
It's been said before but I'm going to make it more black and white (no pun intended).

Imagine this. A black person walks past a group of white people, and a drunk white person from that group, assaults her. A white person pulls the aggro white person off the black victim, and a white person from the group says "Why are you helping the ******?".

That would be seen as racist by 99% of the people who post on these boards. It just seems a bit hypocritical that some people are arguing it's not racist, or implying the OP is some kind of Hitler Youth Stormtrooper.

Except that's not really equivilant to what happened in the OP. 'White girl' isn't really a racial epithet in the same way that '******' often is.
New Genoa
24-01-2008, 17:21
Except that's not really equivilant to what happened in the OP. 'White girl' isn't really a racial epithet in the same way that '******' often is.

So they said negro/black girl, it'd be ok?

"I don't help black people" would be less racist than "I don't help niggers"

Get lost and go back to stormfront lier.

You win the dumbest post of this thread award

Honestly, where the fuck do you pull these asinine posts out of?

Did you even take the time to

A) Take a brief look at the OP's signature and see that she's probably socially liberal
B) Notice that not only does the OP have no history of posting racist content, she's posted in opposition to it
C) Ever stop to think that yes, indeed, it is possible for racism to exist among other ethnic groups
D) Stop to think why a poster whose history indicates they are a left-wing feminist and not fond racism would somehow be a member of an ultraconservative sexist racist breeding ground like stormfront?
E) And lastly, use common sense and not jump to the conclusions that someone is a Neo-Nazi without literally (and I mean literally) any evidence what so ever existing to support that assertion?
Rotovia-
26-01-2008, 09:57
What the fuck is wrong with you people? My fiance, a girl who is anything but racist, is viciously attacked in what would be a seemingly random act, if not for the the fact the attacker made a point about the victim's (my fiance/Amor Pulchritudo) race.

The very fact that she is engaged to a black person should be a good starting point in ascertaining the likelihood that she has a single racist bone in her body. She is the first person to defend indigenous Australians when they are unfairly treated or commented upon, even after this attack.

What is most interesting about the majority of comments in this thread is that many of you choose to ignore the fact that someone was seriously injured, and immediately attacked the victim. Something is seriously amok with human nature.

How about an "are you OK?" or any other sign human decency.

In a thread about a young girl who was attacked because of her race, it is simply disgusting that people would choose to lynch the victim.
Naturality
27-01-2008, 07:39
I didn't even know she was drinking. A lot of people are like that, though. I guess she has a complex about it.

I'm lucky the guy got her off of me. She would have kept hitting me, for sure. I already have two huge lumps on my head, an injured neck, and scratches etc.

You shoulda kicked her drunken ass. :D
Amor Pulchritudo
27-01-2008, 09:02
*snip*
You win the dumbest post of this thread award

Honestly, where the fuck do you pull these asinine posts out of?

Did you even take the time to

A) Take a brief look at the OP's signature and see that she's probably socially liberal
B) Notice that not only does the OP have no history of posting racist content, she's posted in opposition to it
C) Ever stop to think that yes, indeed, it is possible for racism to exist among other ethnic groups
D) Stop to think why a poster whose history indicates they are a left-wing feminist and not fond racism would somehow be a member of an ultraconservative sexist racist breeding ground like stormfront?
E) And lastly, use common sense and not jump to the conclusions that someone is a Neo-Nazi without literally (and I mean literally) any evidence what so ever existing to support that assertion?

Thank you.

You shoulda kicked her drunken ass. :D

Haha, wasn't that easy unfortunately. Plus, I wouldn't hit someone's mum in front of her kids. I just couldn't do that.
OceanDrive2
27-01-2008, 09:19
Racism in Australia?

what else is new?Hahaha.not bad of a reply -all things considered-
*gives Amopultrido 10 intelligence points: grades A*
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I am the least racist person I know, and in this "racial grievance" isn't an excuse.
???
...





*takes 10 points back: grades F*
Spectare
12-02-2008, 11:30
I also know for a fact racism exists among other races. I volunteer at a teen center in San Diego, CA. It's in a less-desirable neighborhood with about, 85% black and 14% Hispanic. All day they call me things like, "whiteboy" and words along those lines. Racism in my opinion in this situation isn't created about the kids disliking white people it's what they hear their parents say and they pick up on it and carry racism along generations. It's a shame people have to keep passing it down through the generations because people shouldn't be judged at all let alone their skin color. If your going to judge someone atleast judge them based off their personality or their intelligence, but not their skin color... Nobody got to choose what color their skin was when they were born. I think racism needs to stop with teens. If teens stop using racist terms like "******" and stuff. Racism will die out eventually, but in my opinion as long as people use the racism terms and base people off their color... Racism will forever exist among adults and kids alike as long as the adults keep using it/blaming another color for their problems. Well that's just my opinion so do with it as you like. (Also, who could hit such a beautiful face? She must of been a crackhead.)
Andaras
12-02-2008, 11:44
God damn necromancy!
Vetalia
12-02-2008, 11:45
God damn necromancy!

It could be worse. I remember some stunningly obscure thread from a good two years ago was bumped by a new poster.
Andaras
12-02-2008, 11:52
It could be worse. I remember some stunningly obscure thread from a good two years ago was bumped by a new poster.

Hmmm, I think I'll find some really old I thread of mine and give it a little nudge, just for the lulz.
Fall of Empire
12-02-2008, 12:09
How the hell is this tread still alive? Jeez, just let it die.
Spectare
12-02-2008, 12:12
Wow, it was on the first page, about half way down. >.> This thread also has a point to it unlike some of the others. Necromancy would be if I went down to last year or something.
Gigantic Leprechauns
12-02-2008, 12:20
Having been assaulted last year, I can sympathize. I was walking home from the bookstore shortly before 10:00 P.M. (note: I live in a very safe and quiet neighborhood, where normally you can walk freely at any hour of the day without worry), when suddenly a car pulls up to me and I get shot twice (in the arm and side) with metal BBs. The asshats sped off, laughing. The plus side: I caught their license plate number, memorized it, and called the cops. One of them spent awhile at a juvenile center, the other (an adult) had his first court appearance last week. If convicted (no reason he shouldn't be), he'll spend awhile in jail, and then be on probation for a few years. Good fucking riddance, I say.

One of the BBs just grazed me; the other one got lodged in my arm, and had to be pulled out. Oh, and I had to get a tetanus shot (which, ironically, hurt worse than the actual attack), which left my arm stiff for a few days. Not fun. Anyway, that's my story.

But yes, I'm really sorry about what happened. If I were there, I'd help you find that person and return the favor.
South Africanus Doscus
12-02-2008, 12:25
Jeez it reminds me of a close call when I was out with a bunch of friends.

Got invited to go watch a movie at a place called brightwater commons (South Africa) with a couple of friends. It happened last year, when i was 14, after the movie, we were just walking around, then a large group of wasted teens, around 18 and what-not, just came and pushed us around. Our one friend asked why, then the one guy said we gave him the middle finger. I mean what the hell? We'd never seen them before, luckily their one friend was sober enough to stop them from beating us up.
Maraque
12-02-2008, 12:49
Yeah, getting beaten up is bad stuff, and can really cause a lot of issues down the road.

I had a hard time coping after I was assaulted by three guys in Overland Park, KS. All I did was kiss my boyfriend goodbye, and was just minding my own business going down the street when these three guys I saw earlier were following me. They didn't attack me until I noticed them, but they were yelling anti-gay slurs the whole time.

I didn't trust people for a while, and was scared to go outside and be myself, but I decided letting people like that win wasn't worth it, and went back to just being myself alone and with my boyfriend.
Gigantic Leprechauns
12-02-2008, 13:02
They didn't attack me until I noticed them, but they were yelling anti-gay slurs the whole time.

That's fucking sick.

Bigoted pieces of crap.
Peepelonia
12-02-2008, 13:26
A lot more people seem to care the second time this thread has appeared. How strange.

I'm sorry that anyone else has had to experience such a thing.

Meh it's all part of life. We are all going to encounter violence at some point.
Amor Pulchritudo
12-02-2008, 13:27
A lot more people seem to care the second time this thread has appeared. How strange.

I'm sorry that anyone else has had to experience such a thing.
Dyakovo
12-02-2008, 16:16
This proves, if there was any need, that idiocy and racism aren't skin-colour related illnesses.

We have a winner!
Spectare
12-02-2008, 16:18
They are human race illness. :)
Dyakovo
12-02-2008, 16:23
That's just a touch obnoxious.

Which is a step up for Fass at times...
The blessed Chris
12-02-2008, 16:45
I must confess this I didn't expect to see this thread again. Ho hum.

I'd echo what Peepelonia wrote anyway; it's highly unlikely, if you have a social life, you'll not encounter violence at some point. The trick is not to let it affect your life, as much as this is possible, and to either be strong or devious enough to win the fught if it's one on one.
New Stalinberg
12-02-2008, 23:16
Racism is just really, really stupid with the exception of certain cases like white minority governments and what not.

I've always kind of laughed at racism because it's so stupid, which is why I love Blazing Saddles.

But I go to an all white school with nine black kids, a fair number of Koreans and Chinese, and a few Mexicans. I've never really encountered racism before. Ever. So I don't think my opinion matters all that much.

I also live in a really liberal minded city so most people here are pretty tollerant.
Gartref
13-02-2008, 00:16
I was assaulted today: I was hit in the face, then pushed into the ground. I suffered injuries.

The woman who attacked me was an Indigenous Australian. I didn't even [I]know this at the time. When the guy that was with her finally got her off of me, she said "why are you helping the White girl?" I was (among other reasons - she was drinking and fighting with her boyfriend) beaten up for the colour of my skin.

Smells like BS to me. I call shenanigans.