NationStates Jolt Archive


The Hardest Nation Debate

B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:07
Ok...A theoretical contest....50 of the hardest men in any one country fight bare knuckle to resolve all disputes...Who would be the most powerful Nation on Earth?

Which Country is the Hardest?

My personal opinion without being bias is the UK...why? Because we have always had the Drinking culture and we seem to breed psychopaths...the celtic nations Scotland Ireland and Wales have big farming brutes that wrestle cows for fun and our Prisons are full of complete lunatics such as this nutbar Charles Bronson

http://www.freebronson.co.uk/

I genuinely think we have the hardest men in the world...though I reckon Russia might be a contender too!

What are your thoughts?
Skaladora
22-01-2008, 05:12
China. Not only is it a country with a vast history of martial arts prowess, but it also has a 1.3 billion population, which means they have the best pool of people to choose their psychopa... erm, fighters from.
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:13
The US, with its explosively large, battle hardened prison population. Thailand also ranks up there.

disagree completely...Americas gangs and culture is Gun based...without weapons I think they would fail miserably
Skaladora
22-01-2008, 05:13
Thailand also ranks up there.
Yeah, gotta admit those Thai fighters are no sissies. I sure wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of their elbows/knees.
Fall of Empire
22-01-2008, 05:14
The US, with its explosively large, battle hardened prison population. Thailand also ranks up there.
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:15
China. Not only is it a country with a vast history of martial arts prowess, but it also has a 1.3 billion population, which means they have the best pool of people to choose their psychopa... erm, fighters from.

hmm...good call...although not the largest of people...perhaps finess and skill would win out over brawn...but if one of those russians got the little men in a bear hug...game over ;)
Barringtonia
22-01-2008, 05:16
I'd say Australia, they may not actually be the hardest but they cheat at everything so they'd probably be left standing at the end.
Demented Hamsters
22-01-2008, 05:17
Yeah, gotta admit those Thai fighters are no sissies.
They're nothing compared to the Burmese free-style fighters. Definitely not someone you want to get on the wrong side of.
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:18
I'd opt for Russia.
They're way tougher than any Brit. Fill them full of Vodka and they'd be up for anything.

Possibly some of the south pacific islands - Fiji, Tonga, Samoa. Just from sheer physical size.


Yeah like I said...I fancy Russia...but what you need to understand is that the British Culture is geared for fighting...our draconian drinking laws and bread line poverty has bred it into us to know how to brawl...you go out in any city of a weekend and you would be shocked...
Demented Hamsters
22-01-2008, 05:19
I'd opt for Russia.
They're way tougher than any Brit. Fill them full of Vodka and they'd be up for anything.

Possibly some of the south pacific islands - Fiji, Tonga, Samoa. Just from sheer physical size.
The_pantless_hero
22-01-2008, 05:21
So this is really a topic of pit a bunch of drunken idiots against each other and see who wins as opposed to put actual fighters in each country against each other and see who wins.
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:24
So this is really a topic of pit a bunch of drunken idiots against each other and see who wins as opposed to put actual fighters in each country against each other and see who wins.

No you misunderstand...this is the mentality of the British working class...regardless of whether they are drunk or not...it carries over from the weekends out to society as a whole...you must know our reputation as football hooligans...we were feared throughtout the world...many countries copied us...this isnt just a drinking thing...its a way of life over here
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 05:25
You must admit though...would be a great way to settle wars...just have 50 against 50 in a ring...last man standing...whoevers country they represent...wins the war...no blood shed...minimum casualties ;)
1010102
22-01-2008, 05:28
USA, we have Chuck Noris, Mike Tyson, (ears anyones?) and Mr. T. Add that to every action hero of the 80s, our completely retarded obsession with professional wrestlers(would really want to pick a fight with any of those roid raging bastards? I know its all fake but come on)
Beddgelert
22-01-2008, 05:40
Wouldn't it just be easier to look at world rankings in a few of the most effective martial arts and ultimate fighting malarkey and narrow it down based on that?

I thought this was going to be about... nations, and was already to nominate Vietnam, because those guys just don't know when three quarters of the world is trying to kill them. Now I don't care so much, but if it happened, it'd probably end up that, I dunno, fifteen Turkmenistanis were standing at the end after proving bewilderingly hard to kill or something. Or possibly some luntic from the Omo Valley in Ethiopia who laughs at being hit with anything that isn't a fifteen foot wooden stick.
Marrakech II
22-01-2008, 05:49
I would have to say America because of the high prison population.
Barringtonia
22-01-2008, 05:55
That fact is that BEEKER is now slumped, passed out over his computer - another victim of the 4am drunk login.
Marrakech II
22-01-2008, 06:05
disagree completely...Americas gangs and culture is Gun based...without weapons I think they would fail miserably

Remember they don't use guns in prison. Also contrary to popular belief most of the homicides are not by gun within the US.
Marrakech II
22-01-2008, 06:05
That fact is that BEEKER is now slumped, passed out over his computer - another victim of the 4am drunk login.

I think everyone should post drunk. Would make it more interesting.
CanuckHeaven
22-01-2008, 06:13
Also contrary to popular belief most of the homicides are not by gun within the US.
Perhaps contrary to your belief, but not contrary to reality:

Homicides are most often committed with guns, especially handguns (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm)

Homicdes by guns usually run in the 67 to 70% of all homicides.
Mirkana
22-01-2008, 07:36
US, due to Chuck Norris, Mr. T, and the aforementioned action heroes.
Y Ddraig-Goch
22-01-2008, 12:47
Lenny Mclean would kick the shit out of anyone even though he's dead now.

The Hardest man EVER! A fantastic read (http://www.blake.co.uk/e-store/product.php?productid=5223)
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 14:20
Wouldn't it just be easier to look at world rankings in a few of the most effective martial arts and ultimate fighting malarkey and narrow it down based on that?.

Actually no...just because you are good at martial arts doesn't neccessarily mean you are good at street fighting...in my home town there is a lad called Eugene Valerio...he is a world champion kickboxer...went to thailand and beat the Thais in their own backyard...yet he got the shit kicked out of him in a barroom brawl not so long ago...when there are no rules to fighting another breed of fighter comes into play...these are not your chuck norris' even your mike tysons...these are just hard men in the limelight...the hardest men are not world famous...they are in the prisons or wandering the streets of our societies...

and Barringtonia...you're not wrong mate...dont even remember posting this...and my spelling is terrible!!
Rambhutan
22-01-2008, 14:28
The Scots are pretty hard to beat at producing drunken, beligerent violent psychos.
Longhaul
22-01-2008, 14:30
The Scots are pretty hard to beat at producing drunken, beligerent violent psychos.
Well we certainly seem to have our share, but I'm sure that they're not really any worse than those to be found elsewhere. There are nutters everywhere, after all.
Rambhutan
22-01-2008, 14:35
Well we certainly seem to have our share, but I'm sure that they're not really any worse than those to be found elsewhere. There are nutters everywhere, after all.

True, I just tend to meet more Scots nutters in pubs than Russian ones.
The Alma Mater
22-01-2008, 14:37
The Scots are pretty hard to beat at producing drunken, beligerent violent psychos.

But the Scots prefer to fight with their biggest enemy: the Scots.
That would be a handicap.
B E E K E R
22-01-2008, 14:43
But the Scots prefer to fight with their biggest enemy: the Scots.
That would be a handicap.

Or the English...but all us Celtic nations like to kick the shit out of them ;)
Newer Burmecia
22-01-2008, 14:45
Russia. Highest diamond output.
Belkaros
22-01-2008, 15:01
Definatley USA. We have prison gangs, wrestlers, martial artists, cereal killers, weightlifters, steriod junkies and big dockworkers. Thats what we get for being the melting pot of the world.
Rambhutan
22-01-2008, 15:03
Definatley USA. We have ... cereal killers.

What a bunch of milksops
Barringtonia
22-01-2008, 15:08
I'm not overly surprised at a lack of response to the Australian cheats post, my supposition was that they're slightly tender over recent cricket events and I wondered if there'd be any defense.

Then again, it could be that the Aussies are simply not going to fall for such open trolling :)
The Alma Mater
22-01-2008, 15:11
I thought this was going to be about... nations, and was already to nominate Vietnam, because those guys just don't know when three quarters of the world is trying to kill them.

Vietnam: dig in deep, wait till the others have finished fighting and are extremely tired, then jump out, kill and be victorious.

Could work.
Longhaul
22-01-2008, 15:31
I just tend to meet more Scots nutters in pubs than Russian ones.
Yeah, so do I :p

Interestingly enough, figures from the Office of National Statistics today seem to suggest that the Scots currently drink less than the rest of the UK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7201874.stm)... I didn't see that one coming :eek:
Tsaphiel
22-01-2008, 15:35
Britain. Hands Down, then knees up and noses flattened.
Mad hatters in jeans
22-01-2008, 16:15
I have no care for how hard any person is regardless of their past, class or number of convictions.
I hate them all, why? well because the drunks like to go out from their nightclub and scream and fight each other.
But because i haven't seen a thread like this before i'll put in a bid for Scotland as, little to do but drink and fight, unless you're smart.
The fighter who wins is the one who runs away i think.
Aryavartha
22-01-2008, 17:49
I'm not overly surprised at a lack of response to the Australian cheats post, my supposition was that they're slightly tender over recent cricket events and I wondered if there'd be any defense.

Then again, it could be that the Aussies are simply not going to fall for such open trolling :)

I did notice it..and lol'd.

But then I am not gloating until we win in Adelaide too. :D
Cockroaches666
22-01-2008, 18:08
it would be the canadian men because they have to put up with wresting the beaver and the caribou all day. Also they live in igloos so there immune systems are significantly stronger. The Uk would come in last because they talk funny.
Forsakia
22-01-2008, 18:17
Surely Brazil has the hardest nuts.
Y Ddraig-Goch
22-01-2008, 18:21
it would be the canadian men because they have to put up with wresting the beaver and the caribou all day. Also they live in igloos so there immune systems are significantly stronger. The Uk would come in last because they talk funny.

I suggest you take a stroll through Glasgow or Newport on a Saturday evening and expand on that theory. You'd laugh so much you might end up in stitches.

Badoom, and if you like, Tish.
Hydesland
22-01-2008, 18:22
I'd opt for Russia.
They're way tougher than any Brit. Fill them full of Vodka and they'd be up for anything.


Yeah I can agree to that. Any incredibly industrialised country, with a massive working class who endured harsh living conditions, is going to be hard. So yeah many eastern former soviet countries will probably be amongst the hardest. I can see an argument for the UK (football hooliganism etc...), possibly USA as well since a lot of them are just huge.
Dundee-Fienn
22-01-2008, 18:29
Yeah I can agree to that. Any incredibly industrialised country, with a massive working class who endured harsh living conditions, is going to be hard. So yeah many eastern former soviet countries will probably be amongst the hardest. I can see an argument for the UK (football hooliganism etc...), possibly USA as well since a lot of them are just huge.

Glen Ross could be Northern Irelands help for that problem

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/0/03/Ab83.jpg
Guardsland
22-01-2008, 21:01
UK

Studies have shown that men from the UK are much more aggressive than other people. In CQB other nations often hold back before engaging, the British go straight in!
B E E K E R
23-01-2008, 15:40
UK

Studies have shown that men from the UK are much more aggressive than other people. In CQB other nations often hold back before engaging, the British go straight in!

Yeah this was my thinking when I started the thread...its the blitz mentality ;)
SERBIJANAC
23-01-2008, 16:40
Ok...A theoretical contest....50 of the hardest men in any one country fight bare knuckle to resolve all disputes...Who would be the most powerful Nation on Earth?

Which Country is the Hardest?

My personal opinion without being bias is the UK...why? Because we have always had the Drinking culture and we seem to breed psychopaths...the celtic nations Scotland Ireland and Wales have big farming brutes that wrestle cows for fun and our Prisons are full of complete lunatics such as this nutbar Charles Bronson

http://www.freebronson.co.uk/

I genuinely think we have the hardest men in the world...though I reckon Russia might be a contender too!

What are your thoughts?


Youre pathetic...

S E R B I A !!! #1
Yootopia
23-01-2008, 16:47
Russia. Obviously. Their hooliganism is legendary.

*edits*

Check it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5x5Eo43hw
B E E K E R
23-01-2008, 17:10
Russia. Obviously. Their hooliganism is legendary.

*edits*

Check it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5x5Eo43hw

Yeah but the Russians...like most countries...copied our blueprint for football violence...
Newer Burmecia
23-01-2008, 17:13
Yeah but the Russians...like most countries...copied our blueprint for football violence...
We may not be great any more, but at least we can show other countries how to swill cheap lager and hit each other for wearing the wrong coloured shirt. Reminds me of that Bill Bailey sketch:

17th in European Literacy tables
1st in the world for childhood asthma
2nd in the world for Illegal drug usage
1st in Europe for teenage pregnancy rates
1st in Europe for Prozac usage
The most obese nation in Europe

In other words, we're a bunch of illiterate, weezing, stoned, shagging, depressed lardy bastards - CHAMPIONS!
B E E K E R
23-01-2008, 17:32
We may not be great any more, but at least we can show other countries how to swill cheap lager and hit each other for wearing the wrong coloured shirt. Reminds me of that Bill Bailey sketch:

hahaha...that really made me chuckle :)
Boonytopia
24-01-2008, 08:38
I'm not overly surprised at a lack of response to the Australian cheats post, my supposition was that they're slightly tender over recent cricket events and I wondered if there'd be any defense.

Then again, it could be that the Aussies are simply not going to fall for such open trolling :)

I saw your post, but dismissed it as the ranting of a bitter pom who is sick of losing to Australia at everything, all the time (5-0 Ashes?). ;)

I'm certainly not tender over the recent loss to India, they bowled really well & deserved to win. Besides, we'd won 16 straight, we were bound to lose at some point. It makes the final test in Adelaide all the more interesting.

But yeah, your trolling was a bit too obvious! :p
Umdogsland
24-01-2008, 11:29
Russia. Obviously. Their hooliganism is legendary.

*edits*

Check it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5x5Eo43hwThat's more a measure of how willing they are to fight, not how good they are when they get into it. According to wikipedia, the most frequent winners of World's Strongest Man are Iceland, US, UK and Poland. The US and the UK are good choices by others then but Iceland has a smaller population to choose from and still manages to win it more often than any1 else so I'll say Iceland. Also, all but 1 of the times the US won it, it was held in the US so they had home advantage, unlike the Icelanders who had to compete in the Carribean for some of them. There's possibly a more accurate way judging than this but this is the closest I can get in just a few minutes and without actually organising the competition.
Barringtonia
24-01-2008, 11:31
I saw your post, but dismissed it as the ranting of a bitter pom who is sick of losing to Australia at everything, all the time (5-0 Ashes?). ;)

Ha ha ha, totally...

England 12-10 Australia

No but really we do lose a lot to you guys but luckily we have a great ability to take any single victory and hold it up as evidence of our superiority.

England 12-10 Australia

In all other cases we happily cite bizarre reasons as to why we didn't win even though we clearly should have won.

England 12-10 Australia

Anyway, enough of that, I look forward to further competitions between our nations and hope we can all enjoy the spectacle

England 12-10 Australia

Cheers

:)
Siylva
24-01-2008, 11:47
Ok...A theoretical contest....50 of the hardest men in any one country fight bare knuckle to resolve all disputes...Who would be the most powerful Nation on Earth?

Which Country is the Hardest?

My personal opinion without being bias is the UK...why? Because we have always had the Drinking culture and we seem to breed psychopaths...the celtic nations Scotland Ireland and Wales have big farming brutes that wrestle cows for fun and our Prisons are full of complete lunatics such as this nutbar Charles Bronson

http://www.freebronson.co.uk/

I genuinely think we have the hardest men in the world...though I reckon Russia might be a contender too!

What are your thoughts?

Russia.
The Alma Mater
24-01-2008, 11:48
What we need to find is the worlds country of biggest losers that are still around.
After all, if you can just take being pounded over and over and over and over and over again you might just be the last man standing.