NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm not sure I fully understand the concept of Super Tuesday. Is it really that important? That is, will the nominees essentially be chosen by that point, rendering the rest of the primaries meaningless? Or what, exactly?

It's when 22 states have their primary or caucus. The most on a single day. It also has a lot of big states like California and New York. So, it's very important.

It's when 22 states have their primary or caucus. The most on a single day. It also has a lot of big states like California and New York. So, it's very important.

Ah.

So, basically, it will decide the nominees, or usually does?

almost half the country and the biggest states... I'd say it matters a little bit

Yep. Let's all remember to get out there for Hillary, California! :)

hehehe, and Conservatives go for Huckabee! *smirks and rub hands together in evil way*

Ah.

So, basically, it will decide the nominees, or usually does?

Yep. Let's all remember to get out there for Hillary, California! :)

So if a canditate wins on Super Tuesday, does that pretty much seal the deal for them?

I think so.

So if a canditate wins on Super Tuesday, does that pretty much seal the deal for them?

It's your new superhero! :D

Yep. Let's all remember to get out there for Hillary, California! :)

hehehe, and Conservatives go for Huckabee! *smirks and rub hands together in evil way*

No and no.

I actually saw a primary ad!!! Previously California was so far down the process that when we had our primaries there was only the candidate that already had it and the dark horse that refuses to drop out. Much to my disappointment every time we don't all vote for the dark horse just as a fuck you...but whatever.

But now I actually get to see a primary ad, aw, it's like I'm actually part of the Union or something...

I actually saw a primary ad!!! Previously California was so far down the process that when we had our primaries there was only the candidate that already had it and the dark horse that refuses to drop out. Much to my disappointment every time we don't all vote for the dark horse just as a fuck you...but whatever.

But now I actually get to see a primary ad, aw, it's like I'm actually part of the Union or something...
'tis worse in South Dakota... they vote last in both the Republican and Democratic primaries, and have a tiny delegation, to boot...

I actually saw a primary ad!!! Previously California was so far down the process that when we had our primaries there was only the candidate that already had it and the dark horse that refuses to drop out. Much to my disappointment every time we don't all vote for the dark horse just as a fuck you...but whatever.

But now I actually get to see a primary ad, aw, it's like I'm actually part of the Union or something...

me too!

since our governor was running for prez we werent expecting any ads but last night during the news there was an obama ad! it took me by suprise.

Some call it Super Tuesday. I call it Naked Tuesday.

I'm not sure I fully understand the concept of Super Tuesday. Is it really that important? That is, will the nominees essentially be chosen by that point, rendering the rest of the primaries meaningless? Or what, exactly?

it not just a huge test of popularity, its the last ditch effort for most candidates who dont have enough money to continue in the race without the boost that an excellent showing on super tuesday gives.

alll of the republicans are pretty much out of money except mitt romney who can spend his own cash. huckabee and mccain--the big winners from last nights south carolina primary-- are pretty much completely out of money. everyone who actually supports a candidate has already sent him the money they are willing to give so the givers that are left are those who want to back the winner whoever he is. if you arent that winner, you dont have the money to go to the next race.

plus if you dont do extremely well you are probably too depressed to continue on such an exhausting process.

Some call it Super Tuesday. I call it Naked Tuesday.
You wanna see Hillary naked?

it not just a huge test of popularity, its the last ditch effort for most candidates who dont have enough money to continue in the race without the boost that an excellent showing on super tuesday gives.

alll of the republicans are pretty much out of money except mitt romney who can spend his own cash. huckabee and mccain--the big winners from last nights south carolina primary-- are pretty much completely out of money. everyone who actually supports a candidate has already sent him the money they are willing to give so the givers that are left are those who want to back the winner whoever he is. if you arent that winner, you dont have the money to go to the next race.

plus if you dont do extremely well you are probably too depressed to continue on such an exhausting process.
This is just one indication that our primary system is hosed. How much sense does it make to have a primary contest that is down to only a couple viable candidates after a couple minor states hold their primaries? And what sense does it make to have essentially selected the candidate for each party a good 10 months before the general election?

It seems like the only attributes we are evaluating in our current system are financial backing and personal stamina. Issues don't matter nearly as much as a bunch of "Vote for Me" ads -- the MSM certainly doesn't press for them.

A single, national primary might not be perfect, but it has to be an improvement over this. One improvement at a time and maybe we can come up with a functional nominating system.

You wanna see Hillary naked?

Hilary? I thought this was about my Naked Tuesdays, where people bow before me and shield their eyes?

This is just one indication that our primary system is hosed. How much sense does it make to have a primary contest that is down to only a couple viable candidates after a couple minor states hold their primaries? And what sense does it make to have essentially selected the candidate for each party a good 10 months before the general election?

It seems like the only attributes we are evaluating in our current system are financial backing and personal stamina. Issues don't matter nearly as much as a bunch of "Vote for Me" ads -- the MSM certainly doesn't press for them.

A single, national primary might not be perfect, but it has to be an improvement over this. One improvement at a time and maybe we can come up with a functional nominating system.

the early primaries help weed out the losers. if they cant get votes and cant get money they shouldnt be in the race any more. if you had just one primary the vote would be too splintered among the total field that ever existed. better to let iowa, new hampshire, etc get rid of the dead weight so that when super tuesday comes around it will be a race between at most 3 candidates and more like 2 big boys with one hanger-on in each party.

they need to come out of the nomination process with a clear winner and a clear preference for that winner if they are to withstand the race for the actual election.

You wanna see Hillary naked?

Nooooooo
http://fruityoaty.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/homer_the_scream.jpg

Ah.

So, basically, it will decide the nominees, or usually does?

Yes and no. If a candidate has enough delegates from the early elections and wins Super Tuesday by a landslide, that candidate could get the nomination or come very close to it. If they haven't won very many early primaries but take Super Tuesday they may not have enough delegates to win the nomination until the other primaries are done.

There is some speculation now that even after all the Republican primaries are complete no candidate will have enough delegates to win the nomination. That's when the convention will get exciting. Lots of wheeling and dealing in smoke filled rooms.

-snip-
I must admit, I prefer Ifreann's idea more.

Nooooooo
http://fruityoaty.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/homer_the_scream.jpg

Lol.
When i saw the title i thought Tuesday was the most productive day of the week?
You know i work %110 per week?
30% on Monday.
15% on Tuesday.
35% on Wednesday.
25% on Thursday.
5% on Friday.
And Zero over the weekend. on an unrelated topic, nooooo my calculator is dying! i've had it for about 6 years, while other people's last about 2. i'll have to give it CPR.

And Zero over the weekend. on an unrelated topic, nooooo my calculator is dying! i've had it for about 6 years, while other people's last about 2. i'll have to give it CPR.
RIP.:(

I actually saw a primary ad!!! Previously California was so far down the process that when we had our primaries there was only the candidate that already had it and the dark horse that refuses to drop out. Much to my disappointment every time we don't all vote for the dark horse just as a fuck you...but whatever.

But now I actually get to see a primary ad, aw, it's like I'm actually part of the Union or something...Lucky you. Here in PA, we have our primary in April (I think, we did last time anyway).

You wanna see Hillary naked?

You'd somehow rather see Fred Thompson naked?

the early primaries help weed out the losers. if they cant get votes and cant get money they shouldnt be in the race any more. if you had just one primary the vote would be too splintered among the total field that ever existed. better to let iowa, new hampshire, etc get rid of the dead weight so that when super tuesday comes around it will be a race between at most 3 candidates and more like 2 big boys with one hanger-on in each party.

they need to come out of the nomination process with a clear winner and a clear preference for that winner if they are to withstand the race for the actual election.
Iowa and New Hampshire don't represent the entire nation. Why don't we just hold the election in those two states? Because it is fucking retarded, that is why. People in south anyway arn't represented by either state, and neither is the west. You know how hard it is to have all primaries on one day? As hard as it is to have the election on one day.

We might as well let the primaries be decided American Idol style.

So if a canditate wins on Super Tuesday, does that pretty much seal the deal for them?

That issue is more complex than the question suggests. Since each state has their own caucus/primary, it is quite possible to have each candidate winning a couple states, and thus multiple candidates are gaining much needed delegates. For example, of the primaries so far in the Republican Party Romney finished first in Wyoming, Michigan, and Nevada, and strong enough in New Hampshire and Iowa to get delegates there. Thus, while Huckabee won Iowa and McCain took New Hampshire and South Carolina and is considered the "front runner", Romney still has roughly twice as many delegates as either of the competitors. At this pace, McCain will have a couple big wins here and there, Giulianni will win or place high in Florida and New York, Huckabee may win a couple southern states like Alabama or Georgia, and at the same time Romney will quietly pull off timed wins in key states, and place 2nd in alot of other states, thus going into a brokered convention with far more delegates than anyone else.

In summary, you can "win the most" states on Super Tuesday, but still not be that far ahead if ahead at all, based on the delegates. This race is completely up in the air still, and is very exciting to watch.

I'm not sure I fully understand the concept of Super Tuesday. Is it really that important? That is, will the nominees essentially be chosen by that point, rendering the rest of the primaries meaningless? Or what, exactly?

It also happens to be a bad attempt by the Citgo in my region to attract more customers by lowering prices on Tuesday. Or maybe it was Super Wednesday...

That issue is more complex than the question suggests. Since each state has their own caucus/primary, it is quite possible to have each candidate winning a couple states, and thus multiple candidates are gaining much needed delegates. For example, of the primaries so far in the Republican Party Romney finished first in Wyoming, Michigan, and Nevada, and strong enough in New Hampshire and Iowa to get delegates there. Thus, while Huckabee won Iowa and McCain took New Hampshire and South Carolina and is considered the "front runner", Romney still has roughly twice as many delegates as either of the competitors. At this pace, McCain will have a couple big wins here and there, Giulianni will win or place high in Florida and New York, Huckabee may win a couple southern states like Alabama or Georgia, and at the same time Romney will quietly pull off timed wins in key states, and place 2nd in alot of other states, thus going into a brokered convention with far more delegates than anyone else.

In summary, you can "win the most" states on Super Tuesday, but still not be that far ahead if ahead at all, based on the delegates. This race is completely up in the air still, and is very exciting to watch.

To compound everything, winning is not always best. Hilary 'won' Nevada, but Obama got more delegates I believe.

Iowa and New Hampshire don't represent the entire nation. Why don't we just hold the election in those two states? Because it is fucking retarded, that is why. People in south anyway arn't represented by either state, and neither is the west. You know how hard it is to have all primaries on one day? As hard as it is to have the election on one day.

We might as well let the primaries be decided American Idol style.

they might not represent the whole nation but they know losers when they see them.

and if they are wrong, the next state will restore the balance.

having it all on one day doesnt weed out anyone, it just guarantees that the winner will get less than 50% of the votes.

To compound everything, winning is not always best. Hilary 'won' Nevada, but Obama got more delegates I believe.

Yep. I wonder how the media will spin this, actually... I haven't watched the news today yet.
I'm hoping it's in Obama's favor...

EDIT: I don't think that's actually been officially announced yet, but according to the way the caucuses worked out, it's expected that Obama will get 13 and Hillary 12, IIRC.

Yep. I wonder how the media will spin this, actually... I haven't watched the news today yet.
I'm hoping it's in Obama's favor...

they mention both things.

but it only serves to emphasize how insignificant this (and the earlier) wins ARE given how few delegates they each won.

To compound everything, winning is not always best. Hilary 'won' Nevada, but Obama got more delegates I believe.

Isn't that being challenged though?

Why don't we just hold the election in those two states? Because it is fucking retarded, that is why. People in south anyway arn't represented by either state, and neither is the west. You know how hard it is to have all primaries on one day? As hard as it is to have the election on one day.
A cynic might say that there are very well established, advertising-based, reasons for spinning the whole affair out as long as possible.

You'd somehow rather see Fred Thompson naked?

Fass might. :D

Fass might. :D

Oh, please. Fass might be a self-rightious, egotistical jerk, but he does have taste.

Well you get a medium fries instead of small with your meal.

No but in all seriousness its when over 20 states, including a few big ones like California and New York, all have primaries or caucauses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Tuesday

I really don't like the primary process, but the fact is, without it my canidate (McCain) would have been finished long ago. It means that a party will usually select a front-runner before the primary even begins, colalesce around someone big, making it even more undemocratic. And besides, canidates would have to focus all their efforts on certain reigions of the country if it was truly contested, meaning that a certain reigion will always lose, no matter what, in each party's primary

Some call it Super Tuesday. I call it Naked Tuesday.
That'll do it...

Let me see if I can find some room in my sig...