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Would you support a new British Empire/ more integrated commonwealth? And if so why?

Would you support a new British Empire/ more integrated commonwealth? And if so why?

Only if they worked on their teeth and stopped being pompous.

Lol! ;) I'm a Scottish/ Uk resident just so everyone knows.

whats the point in doing so?

beyond causing lost of hassle that is

Lol! ;) I'm a Scottish/ Uk resident just so everyone knows.
I wouldn't worry too much. It didn't sound like a personal attack :)

Only if they worked on their teeth and stopped being pompous.

We'll do it in trade for you cutting out the moronic stereotypes.

And yes, I support a new British Empire as long as comes about through force. To Yorktown!

We'll do it in trade for you cutting out the moronic stereotypes.

No deal. I can see how level headed you've been with Blair. The future's bright ahead. :p

Yes, but seeing as Australia kicks your arse at everything anyway, you will be become a vassal state of us instead. ;) :p

And yes, I support a new British Empire as long as comes about through force. To Yorktown!

See, that's better!

And yes, I support a new British Empire as long as comes about through force. To Yorktown!

surely we will be using are old friends Mr smallpox and Dr Blanket?

Yes, but seeing as Australia kicks your arse at everything anyway, you will be become a vassal state of us instead. ;) :p

pfft why do you think we invented Canada?

Yes, but seeing as Australia kicks your arse at everything anyway, you will be become a vassal state of us instead. ;) :p

Hehe...that's cuz you play unfairly. When you play fair, you lose. Like what happened in Perth today. :p

:D

pfft why do you think we invented Canada?

To have a go at the French?

pfft why do you think we invented Canada?


For the Bacon ???

Hehe...that's cuz you play unfairly. When you play fair, you lose. Like what happened in Perth today. :p

:D

True, but it gets the results! :D

Inspired choice by Kumble bringing on Sehwag to bowl.

To have a go at the French?

Canada is the Polar opposite of Australia thus we can play you both against each other in a game of "who wants to be England's best friend"

or we can just thin your population out a tad with a beach landing...

For the Bacon ???

well we do need to exploit the nations only natural resource yes

Only if they worked on their teeth and stopped being pompous.

Oh, of course... because in the grand scheme of things, dental vanity is ranked amongst the most important.
Besides, flaunting stereotypes for a cheap laugh could be seen as pomposity :rolleyes:

I can see how level headed you've been with Blair. Blair was allright until he dragged the nation into a war which the majority of its people wished to have no involvement in.

True, but it gets the results! :D

Inspired choice by Kumble bringing on Sehwag to bowl.

Yeah...just when I thought it would be another glorious defeat...they pulled it off..despite some late heroics from the tail.

Proves that you can have just as hard and engaging test without being nasty to one another.

the days of political empires appear to be over. economic empires are what the future holds. the weapons will be money and power, not bombs or guns. economic interests will erode borders where deemed profitable, and legislation will be bought and paid for by international corporations. where wars are fought, it will be solely for economic purposes.

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

Would you support a new British Empire/ more integrated commonwealth? Good heavens, no.

A new Empire, no. A more integrated Commonwealth, I wouldn't actually have a problem with. But it needs to be flexible and allow members to be part of other clubs as well - while the flow of knowledge, technology, people and money between Commonwealth nations helps, the various economies are too different for there ever being a chance to move beyond a simple free trade agreement. So African countries for example must be able to move towards political and economic unions with their neighbours.

As a great man once said, the colonial sun set on the world long ago...

Yes, but seeing as Australia kicks your arse at everything anyway, you will be become a vassal state of us instead. ;) :p

ahhh the bitterness of the aussie...listen if you want you can come home now...you've served your time for your ancestors stealing that loaf of bread

As for a British Empire...its not that we coulldn't rule the waves anymore...we just chose not to...upsetting the natives and what not...though I suppose taking back America would be a good idea...you yanks just cant seem to run it by yourself...perhaps you need a little colonial rule ;)

First of all, yes I would support a new British Empire. Why not? The last one kicked arse, why wouldn't the second one?

And secondly, I love Canada :D

To have a go at the French?

hehe, like we needed the excuse ;)

I'd be all for a new British Empire. Provided it meant I got me some land to play with and some natives to rule over, like a pale malevolent God.

ahhh the bitterness of the aussie...listen if you want you can come home now...you've served your time for your ancestors stealing that loaf of bread

No thanks, England and its atrocious weather is far more of a prison than the Australian wilderness ;):p

*hums "Land of Hope and Glory*

Of course I would. Can I be Governer of somewhere when it does happen? I quite like the Veldt.:)

Right lads lets get back to the Topic. What would the New British Empire (NBE LOL!) be like?

Right lads lets get back to the Topic. What would the New British Empire (NBE LOL!) be like?

Well i'd be it's leader, you lot can be my supervisors and then we make France look bad starve them of onions or something, then hit them with brightly coloured balls(shameless thread promotion) made in Rome.

Right lads lets get back to the Topic. What would the New British Empire (NBE LOL!) be like?
Expensive.

You U.K.ers who know your history better than I do...Churchill was an imperialist, right? That is, he would have preferred to hold together the British Empire?

And he did support the fascists/nationalists/what have you in the Spanish civil war, right?

So if history walked a slightly different path, could you guys see Churchill being a fascist leader of the U.K.? Or is that just fantastical nonsense?

Well yes. Then I can be an imperial policeman, shouting "HUZZAH!" and "FOR THE EMPAHR!" whenever I do basically anything.

"Can you make me a cuppa?"
"FOR QUEEN AND COUNTRY!"
"Cheers"

"Aww wtf, you seven-balled me at pool!"
"HUZZAH!"

And so on and so forth.

You U.K.ers who know your history better than I do...Churchill was an imperialist, right? That is, he would have preferred to hold together the British Empire?

And he did support the fascists/nationalists/what have you in the Spanish civil war, right?

So if history walked a slightly different path, could you guys see Churchill being a fascist leader of the U.K.? Or is that just fantastical nonsense?
It was indeed said that Churchill was the man most likely to become the leader of a 'proper' fascist party in Great Britain (not the BFU, who were hilarious and got beaten as soon as they had a fight with anyone).

But aye, I hate the guy, so there we go.

You U.K.ers who know your history better than I do...Churchill was an imperialist, right?

Yeah

That is, he would have preferred to hold together the British Empire?


Yeah


And he did support the fascists/nationalists/what have you in the Spanish civil war, right?


Basically.


So if history walked a slightly different path, could you guys see Churchill being a fascist leader of the U.K.? Or is that just fantastical nonsense?

Well... not really. He wasn't really a fascist himself, or not relative to what real fascists were like back then, he didn't support a complete crush on personal and economic freedom, but he did support as you say an imperial nationalist Britain, but then this was incredibly normal for countries back then. He would have just been a normal democratic leader for his time, even though today we might call his policies slightly fascist, he was definitely no Mussolini though!

Ah, okay. Thanks.

Me, myself, I'm split. It would resolve SO many conflicts! However I think the power would soon go to the Head of States well er head. Imagine the queen with that power.

She will kill herself or...
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/03/30/southpkqueen460.jpg

...mutate...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/entertainment_enl_1166518928/img/1.jpg

... go to war with the DUSA (Disunited States of America)...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/QE2_statue.jpg

A New Greater Republic of The Union would be good though. We could have a prime minister who was voted in by everyone in the republic.

More Queen Piss Takes

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8130/elizabethiibuckinghampabr9.jpg

Anyway I welcome your criticism and Ideas. Feel free to report me to The Anti-Empire Persecution League. ;) If you feel like designing a New British Empire flag there will be a Cyber-Cookie as a prize.


CYBER-COOKIE!!!
http://www.pipebands.net/images/smilies/cookie.gif
Oppss....It's gone.

No I would not. It's a good thing the British Empire ceased to exist, otherwise we would be the most hated nation on Earth. We aren't of course, but you all know which one is.

ooh of course, I would be a governor of some far flung Colony that only has a governor to annoy the French because normally its too small to have one

Why would there be a new one? What's wrong with the UK?

What would be your favored position in a NBE (The New British Empire)or NGRU (New Greater Republic of The Union). This does not include King/Empress because that would be the Evil Ones job.

I know I'd hate it if my country was ruled by another.

[joke]Not ruled... just looked after.[joke/]

I know I'd hate it if my country was ruled by another.

Not ruled... just looked after.

Like the Nazis did during WW2...

Just no. We fucked up far too much first time. And even if the Commonwealth had more cooperation going on, it would not be lead by Britain nor would it be an empire.

No, because you suck.

Yes i would like have a A New british empire lead by the uk. at least it will get way from the EU.

No, because you suck.

And where are you from Sel Appa?

Would you support a new British Empire/ more integrated commonwealth? And if so why?

Didn't you fuck everything up enough last time?

Uh-oh... Airstrip One is having dreams of glory again...

Didn't you fuck everything up enough last time?

Well there were good things out of it. in fact had the Empire not existed, America wouldn't be what it is today.

Well there were good things out of it. in fact had the Empire not existed, America wouldn't be what it is today.

Neither would Israel/Palestine, South Africa, India/Pakistan....yeah, see how much shit we caused there.

I fail to see anything good about the British Empire, our successful exploiting of everything/everyone we could lay our hands on is legendary.

Nah. We fought for independence from you once already.
Perhaps France should reinvade England?

Nah. We fought for independence from you once already.
Perhaps France should reinvade England?

Who in their right mind would invade England? Do you know how boring it can get there? I've been there, even alton towers gets boring after a few days.
Hence why we Brits drink lots of tea, to stay awake from a really boring place, unless that is you like History, there's plenty of "interesting" history here honest.
It would be quite entertaining though, maybe we'd get some better bread.

Neither would Israel/Palestine, South Africa, India/Pakistan....yeah, see how much shit we caused there.

I fail to see anything good about the British Empire, our successful exploiting of everything/everyone we could lay our hands on is legendary.

But it helped make North America and Australasia become become developed nations.

Who in their right mind would invade England? Do you know how boring it can get there? I've been there, even alton towers gets boring after a few days.
Hence why we Brits drink lots of tea, to stay awake from a really boring place, unless that is you like History, there's plenty of "interesting" history here honest.
It would be quite entertaining though, maybe we'd get some better bread.

They'd invade because they like our accent.

Who in their right mind would invade England?I suppose William the Conqueror was a bit loony.

Do you know how boring it can get there?Nope, I've never been there, but I'd love to visit.

Who in their right mind would invade England? Do you know how boring it can get there? I've been there, even alton towers gets boring after a few days.
Hence why we Brits drink lots of tea, to stay awake from a really boring place, unless that is you like History, there's plenty of "interesting" history here honest.
It would be quite entertaining though, maybe we'd get some better bread.

So what is England missing that makes other countries so interesting?

But it helped make North America and Australasia become become developed nations.

Perhaps, they managed to thrive without British rule, but were largely British emigrants anyway, I think it would have happened regardless. Countries where we forced our rule and subjugated the local population haven't had a particularly good time.

Actually, I can think of a good thing of the empire: food. Our colonies had much better culinary skills than us, but I'm glad they copied them and brought it back.

Yes of course. The world was better off and more stable when things were done the proper way.

I suppose William the Conqueror was a bit loony.

Nope, I've never been there, but I'd love to visit.

Well i suppose i wasn't entirely fair in my post, there are a few places like heaven it's just a matter of finding them.
If i made a tourist guide this is what i'd put in it;

England-good for History, lots of nice people, in cities can be busy, in some places the disease of "snobbery" still persists(this is true), lakes has some nice communities and hills, weather-usually cloudy, can rain a fair bit, in summer more sun, alot of traffic jams.

Scotland-good for History also(if you know where to look), lots of hills and mountains to climb, some really good views if you're willing to slog up a boggy hill, fairly nice people(can be negative attitudes), lots of Islands if you're into boats you'd like it, some parts in Edinburgh are interesting to visit, can become very quiet unless you're in a city, Gaelic language persists more in the Western Islands not so much mainland.

Wales-good for History, lots of nice people, Welsh language is second to English (makes for interesting exercises in trying to interpret road signs), generally nice people, again lots of hills, and mountians, a short trip (roughly 3-5 hours) on ferry from Ireland, when it rains it's quite heavy.
Similar weather over most of UK, interesting History and countryside, and some of the roads can be precarious especially in Soctland on the less travelled routes.
That's made from my experiences of them, having lived in England for about 5 years and Scotland for about 15, and some visits to Wales when i was younger.

Well there were good things out of it. in fact had the Empire not existed, America wouldn't be what it is today.

America wouldn't be what it is today - the Native Americans wouldn't have been massacred by British Colonists, and later Americans who were 'claiming their land' and would instead still be around. The nations of the United States wouldn't exist - whether that be a good thing or bad is up to you.

Having a new British Empire is terrible idea. The very nature of Imperialism is horrifying to any right-thinking person; it is essentially a bad excuse to oppress peoples based on racial and/or geographical distinctions.

Wasn't there also a French and German empire? Don't blame everything on the British. And for anyone who doesn't like the English, why do you speak English?

Europes glory time is long over. America's glory time has been going on for a while now, thought it will likly end soon. Just becuase America could take a dive relativly soon, doesn't mean Europe will rise again.

Europes glory time is long over. America's glory time has been going on for a while now, thought it will likly end soon. Just becuase America could take a dive relativly soon, doesn't mean Europe will rise again.

With a declining and aging population, I don't see how Europe will maintain the level of prosperity it has right now. The US at least won't shrink into oblivion.

With a declining and aging population, I don't see how Europe will maintain the level of prosperity it has right now.

Immigration

Well there were good things out of it. in fact had the Empire not existed, America wouldn't be what it is today.

Incidental outcome of intentional malevolence.

Plus, the major colonial drive started after England lost US and looked for making it up elsewhere. Look up time lines of the rise of the East India Company. So, can I argue that the goodness and greatness of America resulted in the death of millions of Indians?

Incidental outcome of intentional malevolence.

Plus, the major colonial drive started after England lost US and looked for making it up elsewhere. Look up time lines of the rise of the East India Company. So, can I argue that the goodness and greatness of America resulted in the death of millions of Indians?

I don't think you can blame all the Indian deaths on the John company. There were enough Indian rulers hiring the services of the red coats to fight their own internal wars during the early days of British colonialism in India.

I don't think that would achieve anything. Most countries are rather fond of their independence.

I don't think that would achieve anything. Most countries are rather fond of their independence.

I've never understood why though. In the area I live in, I know that my vote counts for nothing so the government of the day is decided by other people anyway. If I was being governed by another country then I don't think it would affect my day to day life much.

Immigration

That doesn't seem to be working out for them terribly well. That could change, but right now...

I've never understood why though. In the area I live in, I know that my vote counts for nothing so the government of the day is decided by other people anyway. If I was being governed by another country then I don't think it would affect my day to day life much.

With that type of attitude, you can be sure that your beliefs mean nothing to the government.

That doesn't seem to be working out for them terribly well.


What makes you say that?

What makes you say that?

Well, just going by the semi-racist elections in Switzerland, the bi-annual immigrant riots in France, and the fact that Germany has sent 10% of its Turks home over the last few years. I don't think Europe has a rather favorable outlook on immigration right now.

With that type of attitude, you can be sure that your beliefs mean nothing to the government.

Why would they? They know that my area is, and always has been, a safe Labour seat. That is the main reason I fucking hate the first past the post electoral system.

Why would they? They know that my area is, and always has been, a safe Labour seat. That is the main reason I fucking hate the first past the post electoral system.

Well, I know comparatively little about how the British maintain their democracy. Is it because your region votes overwhelming for the Labour party, or some other reason?

Well, just going by the semi-racist elections in Switzerland, the bi-annual immigrant riots in France, and the fact that Germany has sent 10% of its Turks home over the last few years. I don't think Europe has a rather favorable outlook on immigration right now.

Well, I'm glad to see your opinion on the matter isn't based on the most shallow of glances at it.

As long as it does not affect the America's I say go ahead if you want.

Well, I know comparatively little about how the British maintain their democracy. Is it because your region votes overwhelming for the Labour party, or some other reason?

It's because my area votes Labour every time.

It's because my area votes Labour every time.

Hmm, once again, I don't know a great deal about how Britain conducts their elections, but if you do get out there and vote, you might help indicate a demographic shift that would cause your party to campaign there harder. Defeatist apathy is probably the substantial reason the Labour party stays in the region. So I'm guessing anyway.

And I'm voting Libertarian in the next election. It's not like WE have a chance, huh?;)

ahhh the bitterness of the aussie...listen if you want you can come home now...you've served your time for your ancestors stealing that loaf of bread

*snip*

No thanks, my parents made the right decision to emigrate from England to Aus. It's nice to know that you recognise my British passport as still valid though.

I don't think you can blame all the Indian deaths on the John company. There were enough Indian rulers hiring the services of the red coats to fight their own internal wars during the early days of British colonialism in India.

Not all. Never said that.

Just the ones caused by the company and later by the crown. Like the famines. Deaths in Bengal famine alone faaaaaaaaar outweighs the ones in all the wars...whether done by Indian sepoys or British soldiers.

Has anyone here ever heard the phrase 'American Empire?' I heard someone mention it somewhere yet I have no idea what they were on about.

Has anyone here ever heard the phrase 'American Empire?' I heard someone mention it somewhere yet I have no idea what they were on about.

I've heard it in two instances.
First: As a fictional entity in Ghost in the Shell.
Second: As a joke by Eddie Izzard when he says America is the new Roman Empire. While that may seem like it's a good thing, just remember what happened to Rome in the end ;)

Thanks for the explanation. It's true, all empires fall eventually.