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http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=7737499
Baby's Death Closed H1 Freeway West at Vineyard
Updated: Jan 17, 2008 02:21 PM

HONOLULU (KHNL) -- The H-1 Freeway westbound is closed from the Vineyard offramp while police investigate a crime scene in the area.

Witnesses said a man threw a baby from a pedestrian overpass near Vineyard Boulevard. The pedestrian overpass is closed.

The infant was thrown about 30 feet and may have been hit by two cars.

The baby was pronounced dead at the scene at 12:07 p.m.

Police shut down the freeway at Kapiolani Boulevard.

http://www.kitv.com/mostpopular/15078174/detail.html
HONOLULU -- Honolulu police said they are investigating the death of a baby on the H-1 Freeway.

Witnesses said that they saw a man throw the infant from the Miller Street pedestrian overpass, but police said they are not sure if the infant was alive or dead when the man threw it.

Police said the suspect was taken to a local cellblock. They said that the man was wearing hospital scrubs and is 23 years old.

As the man was taken away by police, he yelled, "Thank you for everything" to KITV camera crews.

Police said they are not sure where the infant came from, and they are checking local day care facilities in the area to see if anyone is missing a child.

H-1 Freeway is still closed at Vineyard, routing traffic onto city streets. Major backups were reported.

Officials said they do not know when it will reopen.

some people don't deserve to be called 'human' :mad:

http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=7737499


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some people don't deserve to be called 'human' :mad:

That is just terrible, that man should be put to death.

some people don't deserve to be called 'human' :mad:

Some people don't deserve to be considered rational if they can't control such affects.

I don't understand what motivates people to do things like this. Well, I understand, but I don't understand, if that makes sense.

If you don't want babies...don't make babies. What a novel idea.
Of course, I have no way of knowing if that was the reason why he dropped the child.

Since they're looking into daycare centers and such, they probably doubt it's his, actually, which is even scarier.

It's despiccable(sp?), for sure, but I'm not really sure it's grounds to call the person responsible inhuman or to call for their death without a better understanding of the events surrounding this.
Lynch mobs = bad, last time I checked.

Off-topic: Junii, how come we haven't seen you much on PNPO?

I don't understand what motivates people to do things like this. Well, I understand, but I don't understand, if that makes sense.

If you don't want babies...don't make babies. What a novel idea.
Of course, I have no way of knowing if that was the reason why he dropped the child.

Since they're looking into daycare centers and such, they probably doubt it's his, actually, which is even scarier.
that is frightening. that this person (dressed in hospital scrubs even) managed to get a child away from a daycare center or some other place.



It's despiccable(sp?), for sure, but I'm not really sure it's grounds to call the person responsible inhuman or to call for their death without a better understanding of the events surrounding this.
Lynch mobs = bad, last time I checked. Sorry, but throwing a baby, alive or dead, off of an overpass onto a busy freeway is a rather inhumane thing to do.

I can understand calls for his death, however the important thing is that the legal process is followed.

Off-topic: Junii, how come we haven't seen you much on PNPO? for some reason my workplace labeled it as a 'sex' site so it's now blocked. :p

to call for their death without a better understanding of the events surrounding this.


Unless the guy had to either kill the baby or 10,(000) people would die, there is not really an excuse for something this horrific.

Sorry, but throwing a baby, alive or dead, off of an overpass onto a busy freeway is a rather inhumane thing to do.

I can understand calls for his death, however the important thing is that the legal process is followed.

for some reason my workplace labeled it as a 'sex' site so it's now blocked. :p

Unless the guy had to either kill the baby or 10,(000) people would die, there is not really an excuse for something this horrific.

Aren't you both supposed to be part of that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," school lof thought? Or did I miss the passage somewhere in your NT where Jesus said "Yes, kill anyone who does anything bad."

Junii: You know, looking at it, it's not all that surprising it was labelled as such. :p

Quite honestly, it sounds like a psychological break. Maybe there was a miscarriage or something and the guy lost it, took the corpse, and threw it...at least I hope it's that, because that's a hell of a lot better than it being a living child that was murdered in this act.

Either way, it's pretty damn messed up.

Im am extremely disgusted that you support this horrible person.

I'm extremely amused that you take my disgust at your kneejerking as support for this person.

But you didn't really answer my question. Where in your bible does Jesus say "Go ahead and kill people who commit murder. I stopped an adultress from being stoned to death by shaming you into realizing that you're just as flawed, but hey, what do I know?"

Aren't you both supposed to be part of that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," school lof thought? Or did I miss the passage somewhere in your NT where Jesus said "Yes, kill anyone who does anything bad."

Junii: You know, looking at it, it's not all that surprising it was labelled as such. :p

Im am extremely disgusted that you support this horrible person.

Aren't you both supposed to be part of that whole "Judge not lest ye be judged," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone," school lof thought? Or did I miss the passage somewhere in your NT where Jesus said "Yes, kill anyone who does anything bad." Judge in what sense? am I condemning him to any form of hell or punishment? no.
Am I horrified at his actions? yes.

I did say "as long as he goes through the legal procedures" so I'm not calling for a lynch mob.

Junii: You know, looking at it, it's not all that surprising it was labelled as such. :p
... ok, I gotta find a way on there to see what's happening...

Judge in what sense? am I condemning him to any form of hell or punishment? no.
Am I horrified at his actions? yes.

I did say "as long as he goes through the legal procedures" so I'm not calling for a lynch mob.


... ok, I gotta find a way on there to see what's happening...

You are condemning a man who, in all likelihood, is a psychopath or heinous murderer and who deserves to be put through the proper legal procedures. That's not the problem. The problem is that you're condemning him without really KNOWING anything about the case, beyond a pair of news blurbs. You don't know who did it. You don't know anything about the events surrounding it happening. And as repulsive an act as it is, it IS possible there were extenuating circumstances.


Oh, it's not all that sleazy. Actually NK cancelled his game, and now I have to work in earnest to salvage the Marvel game. I really do hope you find a way back on, because NK's more or less forsaken the site, and so without you there are only two people signed up for Spycraft.

DM is right, we shouldn't judge until we know the truth. Yes the action was inhumane but jumping to conclusions achieves nothing.

That freak closed down the freeway while I was trying to get home from work! That friggin inhuman bastard!

Why would anyone throw a baby out and let it get run over by cars? These people need to be put in an Asylum. PERMANTLY.

You are condemning a man who, in all likelihood, is a psychopath or heinous murderer and who deserves to be put through the proper legal procedures. That's not the problem. The problem is that you're condemning him without really KNOWING anything about the case, beyond a pair of news blurbs. You don't know who did it. You don't know anything about the events surrounding it happening. And as repulsive an act as it is, it IS possible there were extenuating circumstances.
Several witnesses saw him throw the baby off the overpass. is that being contested?

there is the question of wether or not the baby was alive or dead when it was thrown. (investigators are... well... investigating since this happened less than 3.5 hours ago.)

Should he be found not guilty by reason of insanity (which is possible) that doesn't mean it wasn't an inhumane thing to do.

Did I call for his death? no. I just inferred that he shouldn't be called Human. I didn't say he shouldn't be treated like a human.

Oh, it's not all that sleazy. Actually NK cancelled his game, and now I have to work in earnest to salvage the Marvel game. I really do hope you find a way back on, because NK's more or less forsaken the site, and so without you there are only two people signed up for Spycraft. Bummer... :( I hope the filter gets re-tweeked. but since I can't give a good reason to open up the PNPO site...

Several witnesses saw him throw the baby off the overpass. is that being contested?

there is the question of wether or not the baby was alive or dead when it was thrown. (investigators are... well... investigating since this happened less than 3.5 hours ago.)

Should he be found not guilty by reason of insanity (which is possible) that doesn't mean it wasn't an inhumane thing to do.

Did I call for his death? no. I just inferred that he shouldn't be called Human. I didn't say he shouldn't be treated like a human.

Bummer... :( I hope the filter gets re-tweeked. but since I can't give a good reason to open up the PNPO site...

But that IS the problem. Implying that this act has stripped him of his humanity implies that he should no longer be treated with the decency expected of human beings. It's a dangerous road to walk.


Out of curiosity, why can't you access it from home?

But that IS the problem. Implying that this act has stripped him of his humanity implies that he should no longer be treated with the decency expected of human beings. It's a dangerous road to walk. I didn't say "strip him of his humanity" I said some people shouldn't be called human. Big difference. ;)

Some people are called 'Animals' due to their actions, but does that mean they are automatically 'stripped of their humanity'? no.

I can't wait to see what defense he'll use. maybe he'll plead guilty and accept his punishment... maybe not.

Out of curiosity, why can't you access it from home? No home connection. the moment I get internet at home, it will literally be the last thing I do.

the fact that I can spend hours... lots of hours after work doing nothing but netsurfing... I ended work 2 hours ago...

Pity. Baby meat is lean and succulent. Such a waste.

I didn't say "strip him of his humanity" I said some people shouldn't be called human. Big difference. ;)

Some people are called 'Animals' due to their actions, but does that mean they are automatically 'stripped of their humanity'? no.

I can't wait to see what defense he'll use. maybe he'll plead guilty and accept his punishment... maybe not.

No home connection. the moment I get internet at home, it will literally be the last thing I do.

the fact that I can spend hours... lots of hours after work doing nothing but netsurfing... I ended work 2 hours ago...

Fair enough.


Actually, netsurfing is pretty much my whole workday, :D

more information...

http://www.khnl.com/global/story.asp?s=7739063

http://www.kitv.com/news/15078174/detail.html


the one thing I'm fearing is that the child is NOT his.

"The baby was probably hit by two cars"?

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Follow the law, determine whether he was guilty, discern the motives. Prosecute and sentence accordingly.

There are plenty of inhumane things people do every day. One more person doing so is no grounds to throw out due process.

What an evil git! Didn't he stop to think of all the inconvenience he would cause to those motorists? He should be shot!

"The baby was probably hit by two cars"?

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it's called rebound.

What an evil git! Didn't he stop to think of all the inconvenience he would cause to those motorists? He should be shot!

on a side note, I walked home and I was passing cars.

In fact, I caught up to, passed, then left in the dust, the bus I would normally take home.

http://www.khnl.com/Global/story.asp?S=7737499


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some people don't deserve to be called 'human' :mad:

Correct. We do not, he does.

That is just terrible, that man should be put to death.

Should, by (my) definition, is what is not. Everything "should" be perfect, but nothing truly is.

What would be the point in killing this fellow? I certainly agree he deserves it, and I would feel sorry if he were put to death. But really, why should we kill him? Its cost would not be worth it. If possible it would be better to get him working hard labor.

And as repulsive an act as it is, it IS possible there were extenuating circumstances.

Oh really? Can you think of a situation in which it would be ok to throw an infant off a bridge into traffic, endangering countless lives?

Seriously?

Maybe this guy didn't do it, but there is absolutely no excuse for what was done here. I see nothing at all wrong with condemning this action based solely on the information we have.

We need 2 pages to state that none of us agree with throwing a baby off an overpass?

"The baby was probably hit by two cars"?

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That's an... interesting use of smilies you got there.

As for the story: Terrible, that.

We need 2 pages to state that none of us agree with throwing a baby off an overpass?

It's to show our united front against baby killing.
Notice lack of debate.(oh i spoke too soon)
Poor kid, now that wasn't freedom

Im am extremely disgusted that you support this horrible person.

Wasn't there some bit about "Thou shalt not kill" in your magic story book as well? or does that only apply to nice that people you approve of?

Wasn't there some bit about "Thou shalt not kill" in your magic story book as well? or does that only apply to nice that people you approve of?

Wait, what? It pays to read the debate.

Wasn't there some bit about "Thou shalt not kill" in your magic story book as well? or does that only apply to nice that people you approve of?

Depends on which translation you're reading. for some it's Thou shalt not kill, but others is Thou shalt not committ murder.

But neither of which is the case of this thread since he is going through the legal proceedings.


Apparently, the child wandered away from the apartment before, and that the suspect lived in the same building.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080118/NEWS01/801180391

http://starbulletin.com/2008/01/18/news/story01.html

apparently, the toddler managed to get out of the apartment earlier... one would think that those watching the child would've leared something when the POLICE returns the child to the apartment.

The more that is revealed, the more disgusted I'm getting with some people. :rolleyes:

Depends on which translation you're reading. for some it's Thou shalt not kill, but others is Thou shalt not committ murder.

But neither of which is the case of this thread since he is going through the legal proceedings.


Apparently, the child wandered away from the apartment before, and that the suspect lived in the same building.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080118/NEWS01/801180391

http://starbulletin.com/2008/01/18/news/story01.html

apparently, the toddler managed to get out of the apartment earlier... one would think that those watching the child would've leared something when the POLICE returns the child to the apartment.

The more that is revealed, the more disgusted I'm getting with some people. :rolleyes:

So are you for the death penalty?
I think some people do deserve to die, any particular reason you felt like showing NSG this article?

So are you for the death penalty?
I think some people do deserve to die, any particular reason you felt like showing NSG this article?

Actually, now there is more information. sure Higa is still responsible for his actions, but now we find out that the child actually got out of the apartment alone not once, but twice.

when there were supposidly two people watching him...

and I've posted my stance on the DP in other appropriate threads.

Depends on which translation you're reading. for some it's Thou shalt not kill, but others is Thou shalt not committ murder.

But neither of which is the case of this thread since he is going through the legal proceedings.


What, so there is some special Redneck version of the bible that is OK with killing people if they're Reeel Baaayad?

You disgust me as much as the bloke in the story!

shit happens, in all I'd say the guy was fairly mental and should have the correct psychiatric help he needs at an affordable price where you get a free bag of cookies to spread the happy :)