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Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

Que, senor?

No hablo englais.

what language was it? I missed the whole sha-bang

and also I have no idea what people's problem is.

what language was it? I missed the whole sha-bang

It was Serbo-Croatian... well, at least my attempt at it that was more a mixture of Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian, which one might think is Serbo-Croatian, but apparently not. It's... complicated.

and also I have no idea what people's problem is.

I know what people's problem is in general: stupid is people's problem. I'd just like a somewhat more specific answer than that. I want a motive beyond that.

beats me. it was in a language i dont understand so i didnt click on it.

beats me. it was in a language i dont understand so i didnt click on it.

Amazing how one manages that, no?

/peeved

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

If you're going to be oh so emo about a vast amount of people not knowing what you're trying to say, perhaps it's you that has the problem. A kind little reminder in the OP stating "The intent of this thread is to celebrate whateverfuckinglanguage, and for discussion amongst those who are fluent." God forbid someone try to figure out what you could possibly be speaking.

You started a chat thread, people chatted about languages. God forbid it be in English! Why, how dare the majority of us be so ignorant towards your awesome bilingual powers.

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

simple.

the same reason why anyone starting a harmless thread to discuss religion draws in those that would rather just rant about religion and complain about religion.

Same reason why anyone attempting to discuse problems in other countries will draw those that will automatically try to make it "well look at the USA/President Bush" thread

same reason why trolls, spammers, and flamers exists.

people have no self control.

now I wouldn't mind if you started at thread to teach that language. syntax, words and even touching on pronounciation. then that would get those who don't understand the language involved and it would help keep that language going.

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

It's because nobody understood the language. Except for like, two other people. And everything is in English because this forum is run by (surprise!) a British server and is attached to a game created by an Australian, that and most NSGers live in English-speaking countries.

If you'd attempted to create a thread in a language more than three people on this forum understood, it wouldn't have been hijacked.

Amazing how one manages that, no?

/peeved

I at least didn't reply...

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.
Because nobody knew what it was. It's not like there's anything sinister to it. What on earth did you expect? You come in, make a long post in a language you know maybe 5 people on this forum are going to be able to speak, tops, and chances that any one of them was online when you posted it are practically nonexistent, and you think, what, people aren't going to go "WTF?".
Again, had you said in the OP that you were looking for people speaking Serbo-Croatian, you could have saved yourself the trouble of fuming, getting it locked, and then making this one.

If you're going to be oh so emo about a vast amount of people not knowing what you're trying to say, perhaps it's you that has the problem. A kind little reminder in the OP stating "The intent of this thread is to celebrate whateverfuckinglanguage, and for discussion amongst those who are fluent." God forbid someone try to figure out what you could possibly be speaking.

You started a chat thread, people chatted about languages. God forbid it be in English! Why, how dare the majority of us be so ignorant towards your awesome bilingual powers.

Oh, well excuse me for making the horrid mistake that it would be pretty obvious that the thread wasn't to be in English by there being no fucking English in the OP. You'd think people would be able to use that wet sponge they have between their ears to deduce as much that an OP in a certain language dictates the thread's language, but noooo, I guess that's much too bloody difficult a logic to apply one of the sponge holes to.

English is the language of the land.

English is the language most of us speak.
And if we see something interesting, we go discuss it. In English. Particularly if we don't understand it.

English is the lingua franca. Don't get annoyed if people speak it, particularly when you don't tell them not to speak it in a language they understand.

Because nobody knew what it was.

The people whom the thread was aimed at would. That is my question - why must everything be for you?

Again, had you said in the OP that you were looking for people speaking Serbo-Croatian, you could have saved yourself the trouble of fuming, getting it locked, and then making this one.

I did say I was looking for people who spoke the language - the title itself said that, even. You obviously didn't speak the language, but yet you just had to post, didn't you? What compelled you to?

I was curious what the language was so I clicked on the thread. I knew it wasn't a langauge I knew, so I had no intent of posting.

The people whom the thread was aimed at would. That is my question - why must everything be for you?



I did say I was looking for people who spoke the language - the title itself said that, even. You obviously didn't speak the language, but yet you just had to post, didn't you? What compelled you to?

And if they were very rusty on the language? They wouldn't really know, would they?

And you said it - but not in a language those unwelcome interlopers would understand.
It's like moving to Germany and putting up a sign saying 'No trespassing' in Spanish.

Oh, well excuse me for making the horrid mistake that it would be pretty obvious that the thread wasn't to be in English by there being no fucking English in the OP.

You feel an explanation of the thread's intent, in plain English, that you wish for only those fluent in the language at hand, would do no good? You can't escape us if you don't use the bug spray.

You are excused.
You'd think people would be able to use that wet sponge they have between their ears to deduce as much that an OP in a certain language dictates the thread's language, but noooo, I guess that's much too bloody difficult a logic to apply one of the sponge holes to.

Logic? Fass? Is that really you? You thought there were logical people on this forum?

Curiosity, in this case, killed the thread.

Hey, don't look at me. I just got here. :p

But I would have behaved oddly in it if I had seen it. :)

now I wouldn't mind if you started at thread to teach that language. syntax, words and even touching on pronounciation. then that would get those who don't understand the language involved and it would help keep that language going.

I didn't want a discussion about a language in some other irrelevant language - I wanted a discussion in the former language. But I guess that's too much to ask for, that a bit of this international forum actually be reflective of internationalism and that the ceiling of acceptance be high enough for that. I suppose I'll never be able to understand the sort of person who feels threatened by other languages; the person who upon hearing people at another table speaking some language he doesn't understand must either stare, or make rude comments or just generally be perturbed by it, instead of just accepting that there are other languages out there and that they're all OK and that it's not some sort of conspiracy.

Oh, well excuse me for making the horrid mistake that it would be pretty obvious that the thread wasn't to be in English by there being no fucking English in the OP. You'd think people would be able to use that wet sponge they have between their ears to deduce as much that an OP in a certain language dictates the thread's language, but noooo, I guess that's much too bloody difficult a logic to apply one of the sponge holes to.
gee Fass. if that were true, then all those times people posted French, Germanic and other non-english threads were the OP was in english should also be included in your rant. after all, the op was in English! :rolleyes:

Hey, don't look at me. I just got here. :p

But I would have behaved oddly in it if I had seen it. :)

That's a given LG

I didn't want a discussion about a language in some other irrelevant language - I wanted a discussion in the former language. But I guess that's too much to ask for, that a bit of this international forum actually be reflective of internationalism and that the ceiling of acceptance be high enough for that. I suppose I'll never be able to understand the sort of person who feels threatened by other languages; the person who upon hearing people at another table speaking some language he doesn't understand must either stare, or make rude comments or just generally be perturbed by it, instead of just accepting that there are other languages out there and that they're all OK and that it's not some sort of conspiracy.

Fass, you get worked up far too easily.

No-one feels threatened.
They just feel curious.

They're using that 'damp sponge' and investigating things - finding out what this odd language is, what the text means, what the hell it's doing there.

The people whom the thread was aimed at would. That is my question - why must everything be for you?
Because everyone on this forum speaks English, and very, very few on here understand anything in Serbo-Croatian. To us non-Serbo-Croatian speakers, it could have been gibberish spam for all we knew. At least someone in the thread-like two people- knew at least some of what you were saying. You can't ask "why must I cater to you English speakers all the time" when this forum is in English and everyone on here uses English, whether in everyday life or just on NSG.

Does that mean it should have been spammed? No. It would have been nice if more than two or three people knew what you were talking about.

Even if people had left it alone it would have sunk off the front page with like, 2 replies tops.

I dunno, I rather like other languages, and I enjoy hearing and seeing them in use. Adds a touch of interesting to the discussion.

I don't think anyone complained about the language. They were just curious as to what it was.
Whereas Fass is complaining about there being English there. :/

Because everyone on this forum speaks English, and very, very few on here understand anything in Serbo-Croatian.

And the English-speakers here have tens of thousands of threads for them. It's not like they're forced to post in a non-English thread. Yet they do, in English.

To us non-Serbo-Croatian speakers, it could have been gibberish spam for all we knew. At least someone in the thread-like two people- knew at least some of what you were saying. You can't ask "why must I cater to you English speakers all the time" when this forum is in English and everyone on here uses English, whether in everyday life or just on NSG.

Yes, I can ask that very question and I do. What is it that makes English-speakers - because it so often is just English-speakers - feel so entitled to being catered to? It's like the obnoxious and insufferable Anglo tourist thing, only online! "You must speak English with me! Waah! Because you must speak with me, full stop!"

Does that mean it should have been spammed? No. It would have been nice if more than two or three people knew what you were talking about.

The thread was for people who would understand, not for those who wouldn't. That much should be apparent by you not understanding a bit of it.

Even if people had left it alone it would have sunk off the front page with like, 2 replies tops.

And I would have bumped it regularly, just like some people bump the Dutch thread and hopefully those for whom the thread was would have seen it and contributed.

I dunno, I rather like other languages, and I enjoy hearing and seeing them in use. Adds a touch of interesting to the discussion.

The Netherlands thread has been going on for over 400 pages now. It's not impossible to have a non-English thread.

I didn't want a discussion about a language in some other irrelevant language - I wanted a discussion in the former language. in order to have a Discussion, you need at least TWO people. You yourself said you wanted to keep the language alive. so you start a thread out of the blue and wonder why no one was responding in that language and why all the SPAM?

But I guess that's too much to ask for,then ASK in a language that everyone understand.

say in the Tread title (Serb-Croatian language only please)

saying it in that language really helps those who don't understand that language know what you want.

Same as when posting in the MODERATION forum. if someone wants only the Moderators to answer, they post "MODS ONLY" then your Desire to have only Moderators respond would be known.

that a bit of this international forum actually be reflective of internationalism and that the ceiling of acceptance be high enough for that.considering HOW fast you asked the mods to lock the thread, really giving those who do know the language enough time to respond :rolleyes:. but no. instead of opening internationalism, you started a thread with the intent (from what I gathered in the MODERATION FORUM) was not to open it up to internationalism but to exclude as many people as possible from the thread.
I suppose I'll never be able to understand the sort of person who feels threatened by other languages; the person who upon hearing people at another table speaking some language he doesn't understand must either stare, or make rude comments or just generally be perturbed by it, instead of just accepting that there are other languages out there and that they're all OK and that it's not some sort of conspiracy.
Considering I was interested in what language that was, and considering that I DID NOT POST IN THAT THREAD as many others also DID NOT POST IN THAT THREAD just shows how elitist and narrow minded you were in making that thread then closing it within a couple of hours because the replies were not to your personal satisfaction.

IF you did NOT want english spoken in that thread, would've it hurt to say
"(Serb-Croatian language only please)" in the OP in ENGLISH so that all the Ignorant, self-centered, Non-Serb-Croatian speaking people would understand?

The Netherlands thread has been going on for over 400 pages now. It's not impossible to have a non-English thread.

It is however without having people post to it in English - even the Dutch thread has that. I'm looking for the motive - it's obvious the thread is not in English, it should thus be obvious that the thread isn't meant to be in English of for only English-speakers. Yet, all that obviousness isn't enough to break the feeling of entitlement English-speakers seem to have. Or is it something else? Because I am starting to believe that that's what it is.

The Netherlands thread has been going on for over 400 pages now. It's not impossible to have a non-English thread.

I've seen Germanic, Dutch as well as Asian language threads go for quite a while. But I guess Fass is having a persecution complex.

simple.

the same reason why anyone starting a harmless thread to discuss religion draws in those that would rather just rant about religion and complain about religion.

Same reason why anyone attempting to discuse problems in other countries will draw those that will automatically try to make it "well look at the USA/President Bush" thread

same reason why trolls, spammers, and flamers exists.

people have no self control.

now I wouldn't mind if you started at thread to teach that language. syntax, words and even touching on pronounciation. then that would get those who don't understand the language involved and it would help keep that language going.

Well I missed the thread the OP was talking about, but I would like point out that this is a public forum. By posting a thread here you are inviting other people into a conversation. By making it in a language that you know that few people here speak you are actively excluding them.

I know that it wasn't the OP's intention. but it is pretty inherent in the human psyche to want to intrude into places from which one has been excluded.

If two people at a dinner party suddenly started talking in a language that only they understood, that behavior would be taken as incredibly rude. Of course this place is more like a cocktail party which tends to break down into lots of independent conversations, and several people are drunk. At such affairs, the standards tend to be lower, but even then at such affairs people drift from conversation to conversation. Mingle. You're supposed to bring in those minglers, and if every person who speaks a particular language decides that they will talk in their own language, that's just as rude because you're excluding other guests.

You set up the Croatian thread thinking that you're setting up your own party. You see those who interfere as gatecrashers. Those who interfered see the forum as the party, and you establishing your own exclusive clique.

Of course, some of them didn't care either way and just like to crap on things.

simple human curiosity. the unknown is interesting. if you didn't want people who had no knowledge of the language in there you should have put a notice in a more commonly spoken language on the end of your OP, or better yet, in the thread title.

It is however without having people post to it in English - even the Dutch thread has that. I'm looking for the motive - it's obvious the thread is not in English, it should thus be obvious that the thread isn't meant to be in English of for only English-speakers. Yet, all that obviousness isn't enough to break the feeling of entitlement English-speakers seem to have. Or is it something else? Because I am starting to believe that that's what it is.

It's a public forum. Yes, they have an entitlement: AN ENTITLEMENT TO POST AND ASSUAGE THEIR CURIOSITY.
Seriously, stop bitching about a non-issue.

If you wanted to have a discussion with two other people than just PM them. Otherwise people are going to want to know what everyone is talking about in the thread.

it's the 4chan /b/ mentality that does it. Being a jackass to people just for the sake of jackassery.

Of course I do believe that it would have been a good idea to explain what you were trying to to those who don't understand the language.

Then you could perhaps have lessened the replies by people wondering what was going on who weren't being jackasses but were merely curious.

And the English-speakers here have tens of thousands of threads for them. It's not like they're forced to post in a non-English thread. Yet they do, in English. If this were a multilingual forum, you wouldhave a point in saying that "English-speakers here have tens of thousands of threads for them." We already know that. And no, nobody was ofrced to post in the thread, which I kindly demonstrated.

Yes, I can ask that very question and I do. What is it that makes English-speakers - because it so often is just English-speakers - feel so entitled to being catered to? It's like the obnoxious and insufferable Anglo tourist thing, only online! "You must speak English with me! Waah! Because you must speak with me, full stop!" YOU ARE ON AN ENGLISH SPEAKING FORUM! This isn't like English-speaking tourists going to non-English-speaking countries and demanding that someone speak English. When in Rome, blah blah blah, Are you going to speak Swedish in Rome and expect everyone to understand you, or are you going to speak Italian? You posted here in a foreign language here and got pissed that people were either like "What language is this?" or "SPAM SPAM SPAM", the latter, by the way, is part of NSG whether you liek it or not, and the former? Well, that's what you get for pretty much speaking Swedish in Rome.

The thread was for people who would understand, not for those who wouldn't. That much should be apparent by you not understanding a bit of it.
And it was apparent to me, thank you for insulting my intelligence. But it should be apparent to you that few people would understand Serbo-Croatian.

And I would have bumped it regularly, just like some people bump the Dutch thread and hopefully those for whom the thread was would have seen it and contributed. And that's ok. Nobody had to spam it, and you could have bumped it if you wanted to. I'm just saying, don't post in a language nobody understands and whine when everyone posts in English to either say "WTF?" or to spam.

it's the 4chan /b/ mentality that does it. Being a jackass to people just for the sake of jackassery.

Which it seems that this is what Fass is leaning to.

Yet one who lives in a glass house should not be the first to cast stones.

It is however without having people post to it in English
Now I'm getting that confused and curious feeling again. Is this Serbo-Croation again? - even the Dutch thread has that. I'm looking for the motive - it's obvious the thread is not in English, it should thus be obvious that the thread isn't meant to be in English of for only English-speakers. Yet, all that obviousness isn't enough to break the feeling of entitlement English-speakers seem to have. Or is it something else? Because I am starting to believe that that's what it is.

I hate to break it to you(actually I don't, but whatever), but all us vile English-speakers have every entitlement to post in any thread we want. Unfortunately for you, the OP can't dictate who is allowed to post in his/her thread.

[snipped]
did you mean to quote me?

in order to have a Discussion, you need at least TWO people. You yourself said you wanted to keep the language alive. so you start a thread out of the blue and wonder why no one was responding in that language and why all the SPAM?

Yes. I wonder just that. I posted the thread so other people who spoke the language would see it - I would have gotten that second and third and fourth and so on person eventually. So, yes, I wonder what it is that makes that so provocative?

then ASK in a language that everyone understand.

It wasn't for everyone! It was for speakers of the language - had I wanted English input, I would have written in bloody English! But I didn't, and that should be enough of a fucking clue.

say in the Tread title (Serb-Croatian language only please)

Why? Why is it so hard to grasp that if a thread is not in a language you understand, it isn't for you? Why must it be spelt out as if one were talking to a room full of people who can't deduce the simplest of things?

saying it in that language really helps those who don't understand that language know what you want.

The whole point is that it wasn't for people who didn't understand the language.

Same as when posting in the MODERATION forum. if someone wants only the Moderators to answer, they post "MODS ONLY" then your Desire to have only Moderators respond would be known.

That only because the moderation forum has an explicit rule about that.

considering HOW fast you asked the mods to lock the thread, really giving those who do know the language enough time to respond :rolleyes:. but no. instead of opening internationalism, you started a thread with the intent (from what I gathered in the MODERATION FORUM) was not to open it up to internationalism but to exclude as many people as possible from the thread.

The thread was not for people who didn't speak the language, and I had the thread closed because it had been stated that they would spam it until it was closed - if you didn't notice, one person got warned just for that. So they deliberately went into the thread to jack it. I want to know what was so provocative with the thread that they had to do that?

Considering I was interested in what language that was, and considering that I DID NOT POST IN THAT THREAD as many others also DID NOT POST IN THAT THREAD just shows how elitist and narrow minded you were in making that thread then closing it within a couple of hours because the replies were not to your personal satisfaction.

It is not elitist to speak another language than English and to desire to do so. That you find that elitist says more about you than it does about me, really. It's actually answering my question in this thread - it is all about entitlement and resentment of other languages. You just stated so by calling it "elitism" not to want to speak English. For some reason, it makes you feel inferior if you can't participate, eh?

IF you did NOT want english spoken in that thread, would've it hurt to say
"(Serb-Croatian language only please)" in the OP in ENGLISH so that all the Ignorant, self-centered, Non-Serb-Croatian speaking people would understand?

Would it have hurt to not post English in a thread that was clearly not in English? Would it have hurt to grasp such a simple context without having it spelt out for you?

What I want to know is how many people here, if any, speak "a mixture of Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian, which one might think is Serbo-Croatian, but apparently not".

Unfortunately for you, the OP can't dictate who is allowed to post in his/her thread.

I am aware of that - I want to know what it is about other languages that makes you want to suppress them by jacking their threads? Why you just can't help but post in English where it clearly is not wanted? Is it just to be a douche?

It is however without having people post to it in English - even the Dutch thread has that. I'm looking for the motive - it's obvious the thread is not in English, it should thus be obvious that the thread isn't meant to be in English of for only English-speakers. Yet, all that obviousness isn't enough to break the feeling of entitlement English-speakers seem to have. Or is it something else? Because I am starting to believe that that's what it is.

I think curiosity is the main reason people clicked on the link, with the obvious attempt at derailment aside. It's probably against the rules to post my opinion on why that happened, but I don't think it was because of entitlement.

It is not elitist to speak another language than English and to desire to do so. That you find that elitist says more about you than it does about me, really. It's actually answering my question in this thread - it is all about entitlement and resentment of other languages. You just stated so by calling it "elitism" not to want to speak English. For some reason, it makes you feel inferior if you can't participate, eh?

Ваше отношение к людям, которые отправили по почте в той нити в английском, все же.

What I want to know is how many people here, if any, speak "a mixture of Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian, which one might think is Serbo-Croatian, but apparently not".

We used to have several posters who spoke it (Zahumlje, for instance IIRC) - the thread would have shown us if they were still here or if others had been added.

Would it have hurt to not post English in a thread that was clearly not in English? Would it have hurt to grasp such a simple context without having it spelt out for you?

c'ai ngk'yarnak ulnah. eechtenff f'ep k'yarnakkadir'luhshtukn'ayar? wgah'nuh'e sll'ha naflr'luh'aiah.

I am aware of that - I want to know what it is about other languages that makes you want to suppress them by jacking their threads? Why you just can't help but post in English where it clearly is not wanted? Is it just to be a douche?

Это - то, где ваша ошибка-; потому что людям, которые не говорят на языке, не ясно, что они не требуются.
That's where your error is; because to people who do not speak the language it is not clear that they are not wanted.

Fass. When you post something in a language unfamiliar to the vast majority of the people posting here, two things will happen.

A: It will be ignored by all but save a few who speak the language, or are willing to use a translator.

OR more likely

B: It will attract the "ignorant masses" who are curious as to what the person is trying to say.

If you prefer "A", then, as other posters have suggested, state, in a nigh-universal language, that this is thread is to in "Serbo-Croatian Only". It's simply being proactive. DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING. Do not expect that other posters are going to subconsciously "get" what you're trying to do. Not everyone here has been around the blocks as many times as you or I have. You're the thread creator, Fass. The onus is on you.

Beyond that I will say no more. I don't want to get worked up.

I am aware of that - I want to know what it is about other languages that makes you want to suppress them by jacking their threads? Why you just can't help but post in English where it clearly is not wanted? Is it just to be a douche?

Fass, it sounds more like you're trying to suppress English speakers more than they're trying to suppress you. You are on an English forum after all. Vielleicht, wann du ein Serbo-Croat Thread schaffen wollen, sollst du nach ein Serbo-Croat Websiten gehen. There. You have to speak German to understand the rest of my post.

Fass. When you post something in a language unfamiliar to the vast majority of the people posting here, two things will happen.

A: It will be ignored by all but save a few who speak the language, or are willing to use a translator.

Which was exactly what I wanted and what should happen.

OR more likely

B: It will attract the "ignorant masses" who are curious as to what the person is trying to say.

But why are they so ignorant? And not just generally, what is it that makes them tick so?

If you prefer "A", then, as other posters have suggested, state, in a nigh-universal language, that this is thread is to in "Serbian-Croatian" only. It's simply being proactive. DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING. Do not expect that other posters are going to subconsciously "get" what you're trying to do. Not everyone here has been around the blocks as many times as you or I have, Fass.

Beyond that I will say this: Actually...no...I don't want to get worked up.

You're probably right - even the most obvious of things (like a thread in one language not being there for posts in some other language, and that it being in another language shouldn't make you deliberately jack the thread out of seemingly sheer malice) will be too obtuse for some. As I said, I give up and I had best log off before my momentary dislike of this place grows rancid.

*laughs at the irony*

Yes, I lolled when typing it. *grins inanely*

....English is the lingua franca....

*laughs at the irony*

I am aware of that - I want to know what it is about other languages that makes you want to suppress them by jacking their threads? Why you just can't help but post in English where it clearly is not wanted? Is it just to be a douche?

Clear to you perhaps, but not to anyone else. If someone had started a thread with a paragraph of incomprehensible technical jargon with no reference to what kind of jargon it was the result would have been more or less the same.

The lesson here: If people don't know what your thread is about, they will spam it until they find out. So include a brief explanatory sentence when making a thread that most posters won't understand.

why can't you accept curiosity as a drive, Fass? it really is the obvious one here. i didn't post in the thread because i saw people had already asked, you could have halted it right there by simply telling people instead of bitching about it.

Fass, it sounds more like you're trying to suppress English speakers more than they're trying to suppress you.

Because it is so suppressive that they have tens of thousands of other threads in which to post in English.

Vielleicht, wann du ein Serbo-Croat Thread schaffen wollen, sollst du nach ein Serbo-Croat Websiten gehen. There. You have to speak German to understand the rest of my post.

"Wann du ein" - mein Deutsch ist wirklich nicht so gut (es zu verstehen ist nicht so schwierig weil ich Schwede bin), aber ich glaube dass es "wenn" sein soll.

why can't you accept curiosity as a drive, Fass? it really is the obvious one here. i didn't post in the thread because i saw people had already asked, you could have halted it right there by simply telling people instead of bitching about it.

But that's not Fass's way

Если бы Вы оскорблены этим, не будьте, это предназначалось в шутку, кое-что, что Вы поняли бы, говорили ли Вы русского. :p

I am aware of that - I want to know what it is about other languages that makes you want to suppress them by jacking their threads? Why you just can't help but post in English where it clearly is not wanted? Is it just to be a douche?

Fass

Enquanto entendo seu problema, tenho de te informa que o costume de agir num jeito muti mal educado sobre as liguagens usados no fórums não é uma exclusividade daqueles quem falam inglês.

Olha para a historia de Orkut, e o comportamento dos brasileiros com respeito das linguagens, mesmo quando um grupo de discussão tem, com foi o caso no Orkut uma liguagem official, os brasileirosa simplesmente ignoram isso e façam postes em português (como este).

No, it is not just to be a douche, in "Nation States", which is not 'Estados Nações' or any other such phrase, where all the game is in English (or had you forgotten that these forums are attached to game) it is to be expected that posts are made in English. If you explicitly prefer this not to be the case, then you will have to explain that, in the 'lingua franca' of the environment - in this case English.

You are complaining about absolutely nothing. Give yourself a break, relax, and stop raving about English dominating everything. It does here, but then that is only logical for Nation States.

Yes. I wonder just that. I posted the thread so other people who spoke the language would see it - I would have gotten that second and third and fourth and so on person eventually. So, yes, I wonder what it is that makes that so provocative? If your real goal was to 'eventually' get your Serb-Croatian speakers, why close it soo quickly?

It wasn't for everyone! It was for speakers of the language - had I wanted English input, I would have written in bloody English! But I didn't, and that should be enough of a fucking clue. then why not say "please post only in [language] in this thread"?

Why? Why is it so hard to grasp that if a thread is not in a language you understand, it isn't for you? Why must it be spelt out as if one were talking to a room full of people who can't deduce the simplest of things? please point to my post in that thread?

The whole point is that it wasn't for people who didn't understand the language.and this is a PUBLIC forum. no fees to get in. even in the RP section you have people saying "Closed thread" why didn't you say that?

why didn't you post your intent instead of relying on other people's mind reading techniques?

DID YOU HONESTLY think that no one would spam such a thread while you yourself said "You've seen english posted in the Dutch thread?

all you're doing is ranting and blaming others for YOUR mistake.


That only because the moderation forum has an explicit rule about that. Gee and the RP forums have "CLOSED SESSION"

so either a "[language] only please" is allowed or as others said, you're complaining about a non-issue.

The thread was not for people who didn't speak the language, and I had the thread closed because it had been stated that they would spam it until it was closed - if you didn't notice, one person got warned just for that. So they deliberately went into the thread to jack it. I want to know what was so provocative with the thread that they had to do that? so instead of keeping the thread open, adding a post "I want this to be a [language] only thread" and getting the mods to remove the spam, you closed it. which really supports your claim that the thread was for you to 'practice' your language skills as well as communicate with others fluent in the language.

It is not elitist to speak another language than English and to desire to do so. That you find that elitist says more about you than it does about me, really. It's actually answering my question in this thread - it is all about entitlement and resentment of other languages. You just stated so by calling it "elitism" not to want to speak English. For some reason, it makes you feel inferior if you can't participate, eh? except you created a thread and didn't want anyone else except those who could pass the test hidden in the OP.

and instead of making this plainly known to ALL POSTERS, you then closed the thread and now are bitching and moaning that 'it didn't work.'

Would it have hurt to not post English in a thread that was clearly not in English?on a FREE AND PUBLIC FORUM where posters can post in whatever thread they feel like? dunno, would it have hurt to make your desires known?
Would it have hurt to grasp such a simple context without having it spelt out for you?considering I didn't post in that thread...

yet who is the one creating a thread for the sole purpose of bitching and moaning about people poking their heads into a thread that was SOOO CLEARLY MARKED [language] only.

Because it is so suppressive that they have tens of thousands of other threads in which to post in English.

Then you should've put up a massive post that read:
English Speakers not wanted. We don't serve your kind here.


"Wann du ein" - mein Deutsch ist wirklich nicht so gut (es zu verstehen ist nicht so schwierig weil ich Schwede bin), aber ich glaube dass es "wenn" sein soll.

Oops. My mistake. It is wenn.

But why are they so ignorant? And not just generally, what is it that makes them tick so?

1) Curiosity. It's innate in humans, and is usually a very strong drive.

2) Most don't give a flying fuck if they spam or offend you, because you are a complete asshole to just about every single person on this forum.

But why are they so ignorant? And not just generally, what is it that makes them tick so?
Are you being rhetorical? Ignorant people are going to do stupid and illogical things from time to time. But I really don't think that's what happened to that thread. If it did, the Netherlands topic wouldn't still be going strong. It would have long been derailed by the ignorant and the people that feel entitled.

Fass, it sounds more like you're trying to suppress English speakers more than they're trying to suppress you. You are on an English forum after all. Vielleicht, wann du ein Serbo-Croat Thread schaffen wollen, sollst du nach ein Serbo-Croat Websiten gehen. There. You have to speak German to understand the rest of my post.

"Wann du ein" - mein Deutsch ist wirklich nicht so gut (es zu verstehen ist nicht so schwierig weil ich Schwede bin), aber ich glaube dass es "wenn" sein soll.

But that's not Fass's way

Если бы Вы оскорблены этим, не будьте, это предназначалось в шутку, кое-что, что Вы поняли бы, говорили ли Вы русского. :p

Ooops.. all three of you. REMEMBER, according to FASS one can only post in the language of the OP. so shame on you FASS, you need to post in ENGLISH since your OP was in ENGLISH! :rolleyes:

Which was exactly what I wanted and what should happen.

What we want and what we get aren't always the same thing, comrade.

But why are they so ignorant? And not just generally, what is it that makes them tick so?

Because they are. Ignorance is not, in itself, a bad thing. It is just the result of not knowing. Do you think that many knew what Serbo-Croatian even sounded like before today?

And what makes them tick? Curiosity. "What is this?" they ask. They open the thread, and find themselves face to face with an unfamiliar language. Not understanding, they might simply leave, or will investigate further. Possibly making a jackass of themselves along the way.

And hey, that's human. Humans are allowed to be ignorant and curious at the same time.

You're probably right - even the most obvious of things (like a thread in one language not being there for posts in some other language, and that it being in another language shouldn't make you deliberately jack the thread out of seemingly sheer malice) will be too obtuse for some. As I said, I give up and I had best log off before my momentary dislike of this place grows rancid.

But it wasn't obvious Fass. To some (and I'm just pulling from what I saw in the thread) it might have seemed like you were writing to stimulate discussion ON language, rather than IN a single language. Others might have felt that you were showing off, and responded in kind. Never assume anything.

And if you think you need to take a breather, then do so. It's not worth getting so worked up over.

Then you should've put up a massive post that read:
English Speakers not wanted. We don't serve your kind here.

Again, why is it so hard to grasp the obvious without having it spelt out for you? What about a new thread not containing a single word of English makes you think that English is desired in it? Whence do you pull your logic?

2) Most don't give a flying fuck if they spam or offend you, because you are a complete asshole to just about every single person on this forum.

So it's personal pettiness and a hurt ego that partially (or mostly) fuels them? Alrighty, then. That's good enough an answer, and in line with experience.

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

You should have put some sort of notice of what language it was, and that you made the thread to practice the language. You wouldn't have had half the threadjacking that occurred if you had (from people trying to figure out what language you were typing), and might have had some real conversation in that language.

Oh, well excuse me for making the horrid mistake that it would be pretty obvious that the thread wasn't to be in English by there being no fucking English in the OP. You'd think people would be able to use that wet sponge they have between their ears to deduce as much that an OP in a certain language dictates the thread's language, but noooo, I guess that's much too bloody difficult a logic to apply one of the sponge holes to.

Here's a concept: Take a deep breath, maybe even an Ativan, and realize that the entire fucking world doesn't revolve around you! Just because everyone isn't psychic enough to divine your intentions from your OP (which most of us couldn't understand) doesn't mean we're stupid.

i think Fass is having more fun with this thread than he ever would have had with the one it refers to. it really is quite a giggle :p

Okay, after my attempt to start a thread in a language I wanted to practice got derailed, I'd really like to ask people this: what is it about other languages you don't understand that provokes you so? Why can't a single non-English thread here be left alone by those who don't speak the language? Why must you have everything be in English? What is it? Because I just don't understand it.

You should have put some sort of notice of what language it was, and that you made the thread to practice the language. You wouldn't have had half the threadjacking that occurred if you had (from people trying to figure out what language you were typing), and might have had some real conversation in that language.

This seems a good point to interpolate something sent to me by a multi-lingual poster recently:

Desine malus nequamque!

which I will translate more politely than it warrants as, "Desist, bad nothings!"

The thread is heading to hell in a handbasket, the OP has said he's had an answer, iLock.