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Huckabee: America can save Michigan

January 11, 2008 DETROIT(CNN) – Mike Huckabee put his main street economic populism to a Wall Street test Friday in a speech before the Detroit Economic Club.

He said "instead of talking to the people at the head table, talk to people in the kitchen."

"If you talk to the people driving the cabs instead of riding in them, you might get a different picture of what's happening in this country," he said.

He also touted the so-called Fair Tax, a plan designed to tax consumption that has drawn strong grassroots support nationwide but is considered by unlikely to pass in Washington.

The appearance in Detroit follows a Republican debate in South Carolina Thursday that was dominated by talk of taxes and job loss. Huckabee was attacked by Fred Thompson, who accused the former Arkansas governor of wanting to institute "liberal economic policies" if elected.http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/huckabee-america-can-save-michigan/

No wonder the Rich Republican elite hates Huckleberry so much..

its the old Wall Street VS Main Street.

Huckabee hasn't really explained how he is going to fix Michegan.

"Fair Tax" won't solve what they are going through.

I have family there and they have been involved with the auto industry for a couple generations.

Why is Thompson still in the race :rolleyes:

Right. Like calling it liberal makes it bad.

Hell, why ask for the opinion of anyone who isn't making 7-9 digit figures every month and isn't head of a corporation? Clearly, that's what's best for everyone.

Ugh, politics...

Bah on Huckabee, he's a third tier candidate, with half-assed ideas on taxation and economic policies, shoved to the fore because the dreaded evangelical voters weren't happy with anyone else, because, unlike them and Mike Huckabee, America is drifting towards more liberal social positions.

Further, to those who would deride Thompson's attacks against "Liberal economic policies", because he's using the word "liberal" as an attack, you must remember that this is the Republican primary, the conservative party in the US.

Right. Like calling it liberal makes it bad.


In the world Thompson lives, a liberal is just about as obscene as you can get. I have family members that are like that. *sighs* We don't talk much.....

Why is Thompson still in the race :rolleyes:

I don't think he knows why either.

I think Huckabee said this, I'm not sure but he said that Michigan is not alone, and when I read that I thought "Yea soon the other 49 states will join it!" heh...

Why is Thompson still in the race :rolleyes:

none of the states he is campaigning in have had primaries yet. he is living in the delusion that suddenly the republicans will love him.

Nothing can save Michigan now. Gross mismanagement by the Big 3 and completely unrealistic demands by the UAW have doomed the state.

Huckabee hasn't really explained how he is going to fix Michegan.



Did they change the name without me knowing about it?

Huckabee hasn't really explained how he is going to fix Michegan.

"Fair Tax" won't solve what they are going through.

I have family there and they have been involved with the auto industry for a couple generations.

"fix" = castrate. :eek:

Bah on Huckabee, he's a third tier candidate...The polls say he will win South Carolina, leads Michigan and is catching up Gugliani in Florida.

http://www.pollster.com/MITopzReps600.png

He is also the fronrunner on the Nationwide polls.

You can keep calling him a third tier candidate all day.. you can only vote against him once.. and since so many people are saying they will vote for him, your vote will not be missed.
(yes, if you are a registered Republican, you can vote twice)

I wouldn't be suprised if Huckabee did fairly well in Michigan. The majority of republicans come from the west side of the state, which is conservative and very dutch. However, many people have some resentment of large corperations, especially the Big 3. Huckabee seems to advocate (to my very limited knowlege) the same social conservatism that has dominated Michigan republicans with much more "liberal" economic views. A rather odd combination for a republican.

Huckabee is a moron who congratulated canada on their igloo. We need a smart president not another dubya.

The majority of republicans come from the west side of the state, which is conservative and very dutch.

What do you mean with very dutch? I've never heard that before.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/huckabee-america-can-save-michigan/

No wonder the Rich Republican elite hates Huckleberry so much..

its the old Wall Street VS Main Street.A big "Duh!" there. Of course Huckabee wants to implement liberal economic policies, HE'S A CONSERVATIVE!

I don't understand this, 'liberal economic policies', isn't that what conservatives want!?! Sorry guys but I don't speak American politico language...

I don't understand this, 'liberal economic policies', isn't that what conservatives want!?! Sorry guys but I don't speak American politico language...

See, Fred Thompson basically appealing to the hard-line conservative voters, in attempting to label another Republican as too "Liberal". In this case, his target audience is the same sort of folks whoi watch Fox News, and listen to folks like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc...

With these people, "Liberal" is nearly a dirty word.

What neither of them realize, is that liberal, is what the government will swing towards, when a Democrat is elected.

Bush has pretty much handed the next election to the Dems.

What do you mean with very dutch? I've never heard that before.

as in:

People from Holland.

"The Dutch."

Many folks of Dutch descent in that part of the state.

as in:
Many folks of Dutch descent in that part of the state.
And not the good kind of Dutchie either I take it. Y'know, the ones who make awesome licorice, chocolate, cheese, porn and cafes.

Nothing can save Michigan now. Gross mismanagement by the Big 3 and completely unrealistic demands by the UAW have doomed the state.
QFT.

I think the place should be evacuated, its population dispersed to other states. Then turn the place into a giant carbon sink and help save the planet.

Michigan primaries, here I come!

as in:

People from Holland.

"The Dutch."

Many folks of Dutch descent in that part of the state.

And they're all very conservative or something? Because most of the Netherlands aren't really the most conservative place in the world.

QFT.

I think the place should be evacuated, its population dispersed to other states. Then turn the place into a giant carbon sink and help save the planet.

Michigan primaries, here I come!

Not "take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"? Aaaaw :(


*Hugs unused nukes*

The polls say he will win South Carolina, leads Michigan and is catching up Gugliani in Florida.

http://www.pollster.com/MITopzReps600.png

He is also the fronrunner on the Nationwide polls.

You can keep calling him a third tier candidate all day.. you can only vote against him once.. and since so many people are saying they will vote for him, your vote will not be missed.
(yes, if you are a registered Republican, you can vote twice)

Either that or you could trust, say, Rasmussen, who indicates John McCain is on top in South Carolina (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_republican_primary) and nationwide. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history) It remains that Huckabee is a second tier populist who cannot and will not last out.

Simple fact is that we could bash each other with polls until hell freezes over, the cows come home and pigs fly, and we couldn't convince each other one way or the other.

There isn't a candidate in either party that I'm really excited about this election so no matter who wins the nominations I guess I'll vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for president. :eek:

The "Fair Tax" is perhaps "economic populism" in that it has a good deal of grass-roots support--promising people something for nothing often has that kind of appeal--but certainly it is not a liberal economic policy.

Huckabee has an established history of supporting "sneak" taxes while he was Governor of Arkansas. There is a youtube video of him practically begging the state legislature for one of these "sneak taxes". There are also websites out there that list all of the "sneak" taxes he supported. He even came out in favor of an internet tax.

Now, everyone points to his support of the Fair Tax as proof that he is a fiscal conservative. The fact is that the Fair Tax is not going to happen. The congressional support is not there and still will not be after the November elections. Huckabee knows this.

If Huckabee does get elected (and I pray he does not), he will push for the Fair Tax knowing that it will not pass. When it fails, he tells the people that he tried. Then, it will be business as usual for him.

To his supporters: Watch out! A Huckabee presidency mean that an internet tax may be coming!

Huckabee.. cannot and will not last out.It certainly can.. you may have to eat your words at Carolina and Michigan, and when it happens, it will form a smile on my face ;)
Either that or you could trust, say, Rasmussen, who indicates John McCain is on top in South Carolina (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_republican_primary) and nationwide. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history) Rasmussen data is included at pollster nationwide charts.

Trusting just one pollster numbers is just like trusting one single media source.

here is the chart for Florida

http://www.pollster.com/FLTopzReps600.png

It certainly can.. you may have to take eat your words at Carolina and Michigan. ;)
Rasmussen data is included at pollster nationwide charts.

Trusting just one pollster numbers is just like trusting one single media source.

Of course, amalgamated polls also have their own unique problems, including the inclusion of data of more questionable original sources. Further, the amalgamated data you provided from Pollster.com is not reflecting the impacts of most recent trends, as it was collected a day before the New Hampshire primaries: January Seventh. The situation has changed substantially since then, don't you think?

RATHER:

It is better to look at individual polls, and evaluate the data on the basis of their methodology and historical accuracy. Your Obsessive-Compulsive fetish for "multiple sources" is easily overridden by close evaluation of individual sources. Remember: Not all sources are created equal.

Further:

Rasmussen Michigan (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_republican_primary)I need not eat crow on Rasmussen's Michigan numbers, given that the Huckster is weighing in at third, 8% behind Romney and 7% behind McCain.

Rasmussen South Carolina. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/south_carolina/election_2008_south_carolina_republican_primary) And is 3% behind McCain in South Carolina.

QFT.

I think the place should be evacuated, its population dispersed to other states. Then turn the place into a giant carbon sink and help save the planet.

Michigan primaries, here I come!

No, just the LP. The UP is still a really nice place.

The fact is that the Fair Tax is not going to happen. The congressional support is not there and still will not be after the November elections. Huckabee knows this.

If Huckabee does get elected (and I pray he does not), he will push for the Fair Tax knowing that it will not pass. When it fails, he tells the people that he tried. Then, it will be business as usual for him.I dont care.

as long as he keeps his election promises.
If he does try his best to set this new Tax system, and gets blocked by Congress.. its not his fault.

Huckabee knows this. That means he is very smart.
The ultimate proof he is smart: He won Iowa with brains (not money) -with almost no money- in the face of Romney expending 20 millions.. with the No-show-this-ad stunt.. trips to Jay Leno and David Letterman shows on the eve of the voting..
etc etc
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To his supporters: Watch out! A Huckabee presidency mean that an internet tax may be coming!Is that an election Promise? If that is an election promise he better keeps his word..

I am fed up-with politicians not keeping their word.

BTW your fearmongering tactic (internet tax) is weak.. compared to what has been tried before he wins Iowa.. thinks like Gay concentration camps and Forced mass convertion to Christianism :D :rolleyes: :D :D

If Huckabee can do well in Michigan, then he has an extremely good chance of making the nomination. Then South Carolina is his. Florida he will come in with a win or a close win, which will propel him into super Tuesday. Romney is out if he doesn't have a win in Michigan. McCain will be severely wounded without a victory there. Which leaves Giuliani (who is suffering severely), and Thompson (who shouldn't be here anymore). Without a decent showing in South Carolina, I feel Thompson will drop... giving a decent portion of his support to Huckabee in Florida.

Mark my words, if Huckabee does well in Michigan, not much will be able to stop him.

Mark my words, if Huckabee does well in Michigan, not much will be able to stop him.If Hucleberry does well in Michigan or Florida.. the Media will say its due to the large number of Wacko evangelicals in those states :D

But if either Maccain or Romney win those.. it will be because they ran good campaigns.

Huckabee is a moron who congratulated canada on their igloo. We need a smart president not another dubya.

Our national igloo is a source of pride, I respect Huckabee for his admiring of our glorious national igloo. We needed a replica of the Arkansas Capitol building made of ice and snow.

I have family members that are like that. *sighs* We don't talk much........and other than to Limblob, Faux "News" and "Savage" Weiner, they likely listen even less.

Our national igloo is a source of pride, I respect Huckabee for his admiring of our glorious national igloo. We needed a replica of the Arkansas Capitol building made of ice and snow.
You gonna include the Ten Commandments too? :p

So, for a quick translation when Thompson says 'liberal' economies, he means left-leaning in our political vocabularies, correct?

So, for a quick translation when Thompson says 'liberal' economies, he means left-leaning in our political vocabularies, correct?

Yessum.

So, for a quick translation when Thompson says 'liberal' economies, he means left-leaning in our political vocabularies, correct?yes, basically FredThompson says Mike Huckleberry is a leftie.

And since his discourse in Michigan (and everywhere else) is for the Little guy, against Wall street, I tend to agree, he is the most socialist of the GOP candidates.

Huckabee is a moron
You think this why? Because he is from the south? I hate how people think that makes you automatically stupid. I can't speak for all southern states, but my particular state (South Carolina) has lower test scores on standardized tests because our test questions are harder than other states. Look it up if you dont beleive me.

You gonna include the Ten Commandments too? :pDo the Ten Commandments honestly and truly offend you when you look at them?

Independent of why i posted that, my answer is that individually they don't make me uncomfortable, nor do they "honestly and truly offend" me. They're generally good civic appreciation, and not the first in history, of course.
However, i do have a problem with the idea that they're on some kind of holy level when they're mostly obvious.
That what you're anglin' for? Perhaps you'd like to know why i posted it?
I was just shooting a straight question. I'd like to know why you posted, yes.

Huckabee is a moron .You think this why? Because he is from the south? No he thinks that because some Prankster posing as a Journalist trapped him into the Igloo thing.. but these pranksters/Pie-Vandals do it to the VIPs of some countries, they did to Bush, Sarkozy, Morales, Gates, Ségolène Royal, Jean Chrétien. etc

Do the Ten Commandments honestly and truly offend you when you look at them?
Independent of why i posted that, my answer is that individually they don't make me uncomfortable, nor do they "honestly and truly offend" me. They're generally good civic appreciation, and not the first in history, of course.
However, i do have a problem with the idea that they're on some kind of holy level when they're mostly obvious.
That what you're anglin' for? Perhaps you'd like to know why i posted it?

You think this why? Because he is from the south?

:rolleyes:

Do the Ten Commandments honestly and truly offend you when you look at them?

1. I am the Lord your God - Reactionary meta psychical claim to sovereignty and authority, contrary to notions of popular sovereignty.

2. You shall have no other gods before me - Reactionary monopolistic claim to divine right and exclusivity, more of the first.

3. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God - A supposedly infinitely benevolent God cares about us cursing in our imperfect state? Sounds to me to be trivial and almost infantile behavioral management by a supposedly omniscient being.

4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - More inane and silly micromanagement of people's lives for no reason.

5. Honor your Father and Mother - Support of reactionary notions of patriarchal privilege of authority.

6. You shall not murder - Too generalizing, for a supposedly omniscient God this is too small and vague, and does not take into account te myriad of circumstances for the human condition. And no anti-social deviants and class-traitors deserve to die.

7. You shall not commit adultery - More support for reactionary notions of the patriarchal bourgeois family model, a glorification cult of the chauvinistic individual, and a rejection of communalistic living conditions.

8. You shall not steal - A reactionary support of private property and class oppression. Nuff said.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor - Can't really find too much issue with this, although it generalizes.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife - More reactionary patriachalism.


God - Another reactionary class enemy to be lined up against the wall after the Revolution with any other traitor.

1. I am the Lord your God - Reactionary meta psychical claim to sovereignty and authority, contrary to notions of popular sovereignty.

2. You shall have no other gods before me - Reactionary monopolistic claim to divine right and exclusivity, more of the first.

3. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God - A supposedly infinitely benevolent God cares about us cursing in our imperfect state? Sounds to me to be trivial and almost infantile behavioral management by a supposedly omniscient being.

4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - More inane and silly micromanagement of people's lives for no reason.

5. Honor your Father and Mother - Support of reactionary notions of patriarchal privilege of authority.

6. You shall not murder - Too generalizing, for a supposedly omniscient God this is too small and vague, and does not take into account te myriad of circumstances for the human condition. And no anti-social deviants and class-traitors deserve to die.

7. You shall not commit adultery - More support for reactionary notions of the patriarchal bourgeois family model, a glorification cult of the chauvinistic individual, and a rejection of communalistic living conditions.

8. You shall not steal - A reactionary support of private property and class oppression. Nuff said.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor - Can't really find too much issue with this, although it generalizes.

10. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife - More reactionary patriachalism.


God - Another reactionary class enemy to be lined up against the wall after the Revolution with any other traitor.

How long have you been waiting with this one? :D

God - Another reactionary class enemy to be lined up against the wall after the Revolution with any other traitor.

Thank goodness that your magical little Revelation of John/Revolution will never occur.

Thank goodness that your magical little Revelation of John/Revolution will never occur.

Magical? In fact it's quite the obvious, the material conditions of reality make class struggle and revolution inevitable, even if history must sometimes be 'pushed'...

even if history must sometimes be 'pushed'...
http://www.h8ful.com/vivamonkey.jpg

http://www.h8ful.com/vivamonkey.jpg

Does this prove anything, other than your own inadequacies?

Does this prove anything, other than your own inadequacies?
o.9
Inadequacies, hmmm?
*ponders*
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13366583&postcount=34
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13367226&postcount=6
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13367236&postcount=7

I was just shooting a straight question. I'd like to know why you posted, yes.

Sorry i didn't respond earlier. I was looking up alien porn.
I posted it because of something that came up a few years back with some dude who was in a big ordeal over having them on county courthouse steps or something.
Turns out it wasn't Arkansas, but Alabama.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/

Magical? In fact it's quite the obvious, the material conditions of reality make class struggle and revolution inevitable, even if history must sometimes be 'pushed'...

Oh brother. If it was so inevitable, then why hasn't the world up and done it yet? Oh yea...because its it can't.