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I found this gem in the dutch version of the daily mail (so take it with a grain of salt, but still)

Twins separated at birth marry each other WITHOUT knowing they are brother and sister
Last updated at 12:24pm on 11th January 2008

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The siblings had no idea they were related
Twins separated at birth have married each other without realising they were brother and sister, it has been revealed.

The British couple have now been granted an annulment after a special High Court hearing. Judges ruled the marriage had never validly existed.


Full details of how the brother and sister fell in love and married have been kept secret, along with their identities.

But the Evening Standard has learned that they were separated soon after birth.

Each was then adopted by different families but neither was told they had a twin.

The couple had no idea they were blood relatives until after their wedding.


The case was heard recently in the High Court's Family Division.

Experts warn that it highlights the need for the rights of children to know the identity of their parents to be strengthened.


Professor Lord Alton, who uncovered the case, said new reforms drawn up by ministers threatened to undermine existing rights

The changes, now being debated in the House of Lords, would also relax rules on who can have fertility treatment.


Critics say they will weaken further the link between children and their biological parents - and even effectively end the need for fathers.


Lord Alton said: "The right for children to know the identity of their biological parents is a human right.

"There will be more cases like this if children are not given access to the truth. The needs of the child must always be paramount."

The Government has been facing fierce opposition over sweeping changes to fertility laws in the Human Embryology and Tissues Bill.


Under the proposed law, fertility clinics will not be able to bar single women and same sex couples from treatment.

Instead, doctors must ensure that patients can offer "supportive parenting".


Ministers have already been forced to rewrite the bill following objections by peers to the original wording.

It had stated that children born through fertility treatment needed a "social network", not a father and mother.


The Lords will vote on the revised bill on Tuesday.


Those pushing for the role of fathers to be recognised as vital include Baroness Ruth Deech, a former head of the Government's fertility watchdog, the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA).


However fertility treatment pioneer Lord Winston said that the call for a such a "father clause" would discriminate against career women.


He said: "This is prejudiced against women who have paid their taxes, been well educated and delayed motherhood because they are working hard.

"If they are left without a partner and still want a baby [with a donor], this would prejudice their treatment and ask doctors to make a value judgment about them."


Lawyer Natalie Gamble, an expert on fertility regulations, said: "Equality rules mean clinics have to give treatment to single women and same sex couples anyway. The Government doesn't need to enshrine this in new laws."

Annulments are usually heard at county court, but can go to the High Court if cases are particularly complex.

Marriages can be annulled if one of the parties was under 16 at the time of the wedding, if it was a bigamous union, or if the couple are closely related.


The latest figures, for 2005, show 251 marriages were annulled that year.

There is no breakdown of how many cases fell into each category.


Just imagine, you wake up unknowing next to your wife/hubby, have a morning quickie and later that day you find out its your brother/sister :eek:

Surprise incest,... a person's horror is another's fetish.

Agreed though on the right to know "who's your daddy"; it's better than the therapy bills of the twins.

Geez, I wonder how they feel... the shock, the horror,... the kinkiness.

My question is, if they fell in love without knowing, how do they shake those feelings?

My question is, if they fell in love without knowing, how do they shake those feelings?

Practice.

They probably won't for a while. The icky feeling might compensate though.

What I wonder is what they will do now. Divorce and stay friends ? What do you tell the neighbours ?

I thought the article said that the courts annulled it because it never had legal validity?

My question is, if they fell in love without knowing, how do they shake those feelings?

They probably won't for a while. The icky feeling might compensate though.

What I wonder is what they will do now. Divorce and stay friends ? What do you tell the neighbours ?

"They really are the worst twins ever!"

((taco to whoever first tells where that quote is from)) :)

"They really are the worst twins ever!"

((taco to whoever first tells where that quote is from)) :)

My Dad said it to my Mum when my little brother and sister were born?

"They really are the worst twins ever!"

((taco to whoever first tells where that quote is from)) :)

Dunno. But this isn't where I parked my car ;)

My Dad said it to my Mum when my little brother and sister were born?

...Since I can't confirm it, I cannot reward you with a full taco, but I can fling a handful of guacamole at you. *does so*

Dunno. But this isn't where I parked my car ;)

:D *sends you a stealth taco*

Kinky. Also:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/ignorance.jpg

They probably won't for a while. The icky feeling might compensate though.

What I wonder is what they will do now. Divorce and stay friends ? What do you tell the neighbours ?

God, can you imagine, everyone whoo was at your wedding, all your friends and coworkers. They will find out about you leaving the other. And then you have to explain your wife/hubby is now your sister/brother....

Id pass through a solid concrete floor out of shame probably ;)

Surprise incest,... a person's horror is another's fetish.

Agreed though on the right to know "who's your daddy"; it's better than the therapy bills of the twins.

Geez, I wonder how they feel... the shock, the horror,... the kinkiness.

I think once they're married you do everything you can to keep them from finding out. Unless there's a trait for some genetic disorder like cystic fibrosis or something, incestuous unions aren't any more unhealthy than any other. The taboo is mostly a social one, and if they weren't raised together and don't know they are related then the taboo is irrelevant. But finding out you've been having sex with your sister... Ugh!

Of course, if they're just starting to flirt and you know better, please pipe up.

Reminds me of an old joke:
If a couple in Kentucky get an annulment, are they still cousins?

Meh, this isn't as big of a shock to me. Hell I've known people who'd married their cousins. The joys of living in the South.

this thread is useless without pictures :p

Imagine having to tell everyone you shagged your sister! :p

And lying awake every night thinking about how you shagged your sister. :eek:

Imagine having to tell everyone you shagged your sister! :p

And lying awake every night thinking about how you shagged your sister. :eek:

Twin sister. About as close to fucking yourself as possible ;)

Imagine having to tell everyone you shagged your sister! :p

And lying awake every night thinking about how you shagged your sister. :eek:

Yeah, that would be bad. Enough to make one want to damage his/her eyes in some way, I could imagine. :(

Imagine having to tell everyone you shagged your sister! :p

And lying awake every night thinking about how you shagged your sister. :eek:

Hey, if your sister is pretty hot then......

I would imagine these two will get out and eventually date again. The new partners are obviously going to ask why they got a divorce. Can you imagine the looks on their faces when they are told of this.

Hey, if your sister is pretty hot then......

*sigh*

Wilgrove, you and your perversions... First, it's sex with chihuahuas, then it's sex with elephants, and now it's sex with twin sisters.

Egads, man.

*sigh*

Wilgrove, you and your perversions... First, it's sex with chihuahuas, then it's sex with elephants, and now it's sex with twin sisters.

Egads, man.

Hey, I was drunk when I had sex with the Chihuahuas and Elephants! But comon, if your sister looks like this.

http://blogtheinternet.com/images/HotBikiniBathingSuitsForTheSummer_10108/Bikini_Beach_scrshot2.jpg

and if you accidentally boinked her because you didn't know she was your sister, don't tell me you wouldn't be bragging about it.

Twin sister. About as close to fucking yourself as possible ;)
So you're saying this is more a case of masturbation than incest?

So you're saying this is more a case of masturbation than incest?

Well.. it might be best for the couple in question to hold on to that thought...

Practice.

Marriage will do that, sure ... but i don't think you can ever erase the feelings completely. They'll be fucked up for years, if not always.

Hey, I was drunk when I had sex with the Chihuahuas and Elephants! But comon, if your sister looks like this.

http://blogtheinternet.com/images/HotBikiniBathingSuitsForTheSummer_10108/Bikini_Beach_scrshot2.jpg

and if you accidentally boinked her because you didn't know she was your sister, don't tell me you wouldn't be bragging about it.

believe me no matter how good looking other people think your sister is, you would never want to do it, just plain wrong, i have three sisters, no matter how attractive they were not in any universe in any reality any dimension any fantasy any where not even if i went back in time or if it would benefit other people would i ever consider what you say.
It's a big no no no nonononononononoooooooooo.

comon, if your sister looks like this.

you want to sleep with the 80s?

It's a big no no no nonononononononoooooooooo.

your thinking about it now though ;)

you want to sleep with the 80s?



your thinking about it now though ;)

I hope you burn for ever in the hypothetical fires of hell!:D
i'm surrounded by them no! *picks up chair* back i say!.:)

believe me no matter how good looking other people think your sister is, you would never want to do it, just plain wrong, i have three sisters, no matter how attractive they were not in any universe in any reality any dimension any fantasy any where not even if i went back in time or if it would benefit other people would i ever consider what you say.
It's a big no no no nonononononononoooooooooo.

how old are they? and what are they like

how old are they? and what are they like

Do you really think i'd tell you?

This is so sad. I really do hope they can put this behind them and start a romantic relationship once again.

As far as I am concerned, they obviously loved each other, and I really don't see how they can ever just casually shrug off those feelings, and turn their relationship into a purely platonic one.

I say that biology shouldn't really be considered as important a factor when defining a "wrong" incestous relationship, as the emotional relationship between the two persons preceding the romantic relations.

For instance, in this case, neither were or could possibly be aware of being brother and sister before being married etc. Thier relationship was never a sibling-sibling type. In that regard, all that connects them as brother and sister is that they came out of the same womb. Incestous? Biologically, yes. Emotionally, no.

I don't consider thier relationship as truly incestous and wrong unless the sibling-sibling relationship was there before, as this is what truly defines a person as a brother or a sister.

My question is, if they fell in love without knowing, how do they shake those feelings?

I don't think they do, and nor should they have to.

Forgive me, but the romantic affiliation came first and was strong enough to act on with a marriage, right? Now, suddenly, because of an arbitrary revelation about genetics, they can't be in love anymore? I mean sure, legally, they can't be married, but if all you've ever known your lover as is your lover, what's the problem? Sure, genetics would make procreation dicey, but that's why adoption exists (plenty of babies out there, unwanted and unloved, wouldn't care a fig about the genetic compatibility of two loving parents).

So revoke the marriage license and annul the marriage, fine. But why shred a union that was built of over time with trust, honesty, love...just because something neither of them knew suddenly crops up? Seems kinda stupid to me.

This is so sad. I really do hope they can put this behind them and start a romantic relationship once again.

As far as I am concerned, they obviously loved each other, and I really don't see how they can ever just casually shrug off those feelings, and turn their relationship into a purely platonic one.

I say that biology shouldn't really be considered as important a factor when defining a "wrong" incestous relationship, as the emotional relationship between the two persons preceding the romantic relations.

For instance, in this case, neither were or could possibly be aware of being brother and sister before being married etc. Thier relationship was never a sibling-sibling type. In that regard, all that connects them as brother and sister is that they came out of the same womb. Incestous? Biologically, yes. Emotionally, no.

I don't consider thier relationship as truly incestous and wrong unless the sibling-sibling relationship was there before, as this is what truly defines a person as a brother or a sister.

Exactly -- nature vs. nurture. By nature, they were born twins, but by nurture -- upbringing -- they were total strangers. They fell in love, and as the old saying goes, that conquers all. Okay, I'm not that much of a sap, but still.

*sigh*

Wilgrove, you and your perversions... First, it's sex with chihuahuas, then it's sex with elephants, and now it's sex with twin sisters.

Egads, man.
...
Chihuahuas!?
:eek:

...
Chihuahuas!?
:eek:

Yeah that's why you don't make sex with them illegal as no-one would do it, you just make wilgrove illegal.:p

This sucks for them, big-time.

"They really are the worst twins ever!"

((taco to whoever first tells where that quote is from)) :)

Euro Trip :)

Apparently this is untrue:

Assuming your brain is still functioning like the well-oiled piece of precision engineering it is, your response would, I trust, be: "That's a wind-up if ever I heard one. Think about it for a minute - you mean these two meet by accident, discover not only that they were both adopted but were born on exactly the same day in exactly the same town, and still never pause to wonder whether they might be related? Pull the other one. What did it say on their birth certificates?"

Here's the thing: it all came from a single remark more than a month ago by the vehemently anti-abortion Roman Catholic peer and father of four, Lord Alton, in favour of all children having the right to know the identity of their biological parents.

Although...

Still, stranger things have happened.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2240874,00.html)

:D...
Chihuahuas!?
:eek:

Yeah that's why you don't make sex with them illegal as no-one would do it, you just make wilgrove illegal.:p

I don't know if you make someone illegal for wanting to ramrod a chihuahua. I think you do wonder about why he'd choose such a small breed....:D

Do you really think i'd tell you?

one can hope *shrugs* but still your a good bro, i like you, you take care of your sisters :p

one can hope *shrugs* but still your a good bro, i like you, you take care of your sisters :p

I'll let them know then, well two of them the other one is plain insane(and i'm not making that up or anything), i'm guessing you have no sisters and one brother by your comments.
It's shit having sisters, it really is.:(

I'll let them know then, well two of them the other one is plain insane(and i'm not making that up or anything), i'm guessing you have no sisters and one brother by your comments.
It's shit having sisters, it really is.:(

Plain insane, please define?
i have one sister, and a very close cousin(male) we're like brothers
but i dont talk much with my sister

Plain insane, please define?
i have one sister, and a very close cousin(male) we're like brothers
but i dont talk much with my sister

As in she's going out with some guy (who suffers from bipolar disorder probably due to being stabbed in the back defending some other guy while drunk, and often takes various drugs, hence my disliking of them), he's a nasty man too does photography (the dodgy sort), she's taken in by his lies, she suffered from manic depression (probably due to her boyfriend isolating her from familiy and friends), now she works as a carer i think. She first started going out with him ohh 4 years ago.

That's really just a caricature of the story, but it's the main parts. Yeah it's not pretty.

As in she's going out with some guy (who suffers from bipolar disorder probably due to being stabbed in the back defending some other guy while drunk, and often takes various drugs, hence my disliking of them), he's a nasty man too does photography (the dodgy sort), she's taken in by his lies, she suffered from manic depression (probably due to her boyfriend isolating her from familiy and friends), now she works as a carer i think. She first started going out with him ohh 4 years ago.

That's really just a caricature of the story, but it's the main parts. Yeah it's not pretty.

oh, ok then, post on a pic, i'll help her out ;)