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Hillary died

Sel Appa
11-01-2008, 02:14
HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_re_au_an/obit_edmund_hillary)

WELLINGTON, New Zealand - Sir Edmund Hillary, the unassuming beekeeper who conquered Mount Everest to win renown as one of the 20th century's greatest adventurers, has died, New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark announced Friday. He was 88.

The gangling New Zealander devoted much of his life to aiding the mountain people of Nepal and took his fame in stride, preferring to be called "Ed" and considering himself just an ordinary beekeeper.

"Sir Ed described himself as an average New Zealander with modest abilities. In reality, he was a colossus. He was an heroic figure who not only 'knocked off' Everest but lived a life of determination, humility, and generosity," Clark said in a statement.

"The legendary mountaineer, adventurer, and philanthropist is the best-known New Zealander ever to have lived," she said.

Hillary's life was marked by grand achievements, high adventure, discovery, excitement — and by his personal humility. Humble to the point that he only admitted being the first man atop Everest long after the death of climbing companion Tenzing Norgay.

He had pride in his feats. Returning to base camp as the man who took the first step onto the top of the world's highest peak, he declared: "We knocked the bastard off."

The accomplishment as part of a British climbing expedition even added luster to the coronation of Britain's Queen Elizabeth II four days later, and she knighted Hillary as one of her first act.

But he was more proud of his decades-long campaign to set up schools and health clinics in Nepal, the homeland of Tenzing Norgay, the mountain guide with whom he stood arm in arm on the summit of Everest on May 29, 1953.

He wrote of the pair's final steps to the top of the world: "Another few weary steps and there was nothing above us but the sky. There was no false cornice, no final pinnacle. We were standing together on the summit. There was enough space for about six people. We had conquered Everest.

"Awe, wonder, humility, pride, exaltation — these surely ought to be the confused emotions of the first men to stand on the highest peak on Earth, after so many others had failed," Hillary noted.

"But my dominant reactions were relief and surprise. Relief because the long grind was over and the unattainable had been attained. And surprise, because it had happened to me, old Ed Hillary, the beekeeper, once the star pupil of the Tuakau District School, but no great shakes at Auckland Grammar (high school) and a no-hoper at university, first to the top of Everest. I just didn't believe it.

He said: "I removed my oxygen mask to take some pictures. It wasn't enough just to get to the top. We had to get back with the evidence. Fifteen minutes later we began the descent."

Hillary's life was marked by grand achievements, high adventure, discovery, excitement — and by his personal humility. Humble to the point that he only admitted being the first man atop Everest long after the death of climbing companion Norgay.

His philosophy of life was simple: "Adventuring can be for the ordinary person with ordinary qualities, such as I regard myself," he said in a 1975 interview after writing his autobiography, "Nothing Venture, Nothing Win."

Close friends described him as having unbounded enthusiasm for both life and adventure.

"We all have dreams — but Ed has dreams, then he's got this incredible drive, and goes ahead and does it," long-time friend Jim Wilson said in 1993.

Hillary summarized it for schoolchildren in 1998, when he said one didn't have to be a genius to do well in life.

"I think it all comes down to motivation. If you really want to do something, you will work hard for it," he said before planting some endangered Himalayan oaks in the school grounds.

The planting was part of his program to reforest upland areas of Nepal.

Hillary remains the only non-political person outside Britain honored as a member of the Britain's Order of the Garter, bestowed by Queen Elizabeth II on just 24 knights and ladies living worldwide at any time.

He reached the summit of Everest four days before Elizabeth was crowned Queen of Britain and the Empire on June 2, 1953. She immediately knighted the angular, self-deprecating Hillary, who was just 33.

Throughout his 88 years, he was always the atypical "typical New Zealander" who spoke his mind.

In his 1999 book "View from the Summit," Hillary finally broke his long public silence about whether it was he or Norgay who was the first man to step atop Everest.

"We drew closer together as Tenzing brought in the slack on the rope. I continued cutting a line of steps upwards. Next moment I had moved onto a flattish exposed area of snow with nothing by space in every direction," Hillary wrote.

"Tenzing quickly joined me and we looked round in wonder. To our immense satisfaction we realized with had reached the top of the world."

Before Norgay's death in 1986, Hillary consistently refused to confirm he was first, saying he and the Sherpa had climbed as a team to the top. It was a measure of his personal modesty, and of his commitment to his colleagues.

He later recalled his surprise at the huge international interest in their feat. "I was a bit taken aback to tell you the truth. I was absolutely astonished that everyone should be so interested in us just climbing a mountain."

Hillary never forgot the small mountainous country that propelled him to worldwide fame. He revisited Nepal constantly over the next 54 years.

Without fanfare and without compensation, Hillary spend decades pouring energy and resources from his own fund-raising efforts into Nepal through the Himalayan Trust he founded in 1962.

Known as "burra sahib" — "big man," for his 6 feet 2 inches — by the Nepalese, Hillary funded and helped build hospitals, health clinics, airfields and schools.

He raised funds for higher education for Sherpa families, and helped set up reforestation programs in the impoverished country. About $250,000 a year was raised by the charity for projects in Nepal.

A strong conservationist, he demanded that international mountaineers clean up thousands of tons of discarded oxygen bottles, food containers and other climbing debris that litter the lower slopes of Everest.

His commitment to Nepal took him back more than 120 times. His adventurer son Peter has described his father's humanitarian work there as "his duty" to those who had helped him.

It was on a visit to Nepal that his first wife, Louise, 43, and 16-year-old daughter Belinda died in a light plane crash March 31, 1975.

Hillary remarried in 1990, to June Mulgrew, former wife of adventurer colleague and close friend Peter Mulgrew, who died in a passenger plane crash in the Antarctic. He is survived by his wife and children Peter and Sarah.

His passport described Hillary as an "author-lecturer," and by age 40 his schedule of lecturing and writing meant he had to give up beekeeping "because I was too busy."

By that time he was touring, lecturing and fund-raising for the Himalayan Trust in the United States and Europe for three months at a time, speaking at more than 100 venues during a tour.

He was known as ready to take risks to achieve his goals, but always had control so that nobody ever died on a Hillary-led expedition.

He was at times controversial. He decried what he considered a lack of "honest-to-God morality" in New Zealand politics in the 1960s, and he refused to backtrack when the prime minister demanded he withdraw the comments. Ordinary New Zealanders applauded his integrity.

He got into hot water over what became known as his "dash to the Pole" in the 1957-58 Antarctic summer season aboard modified farm tractors while part of a joint British-New Zealand expedition.

Hillary disregarded instructions from the Briton leading the expedition and guided his tractor team up the then-untraversed Shelton Glacier, pioneering a new route to the polar plateau and the South Pole.

In 2006 he climbed into a row over the death of Everest climber David Sharp, stating it was "horrifying" that climbers could leave a dying man after an expedition left the Briton to die high on the upper slopes.

Hillary said he would have abandoned his own pioneering 1953 climb to save another life.

"It was wrong if there was a man suffering altitude problems and was huddled under a rock, just to lift your hat, say 'good morning' and pass on by," he said. "Human life is far more important than just getting to the top of a mountain."

Named New Zealand's ambassador to India in the mid-1980s, Hillary was the celebrity of the New Delhi cocktail circuit. He later said he found the job confining.

He introduced jetboats to many Ganges River dwellers a decade earlier, in 1977, when his "Ocean to the Sky" expedition traveled the Ganges by jetboat to within 130 miles of its source.

The last segment was by foot, and two mountain peaks near Badranath, where the Ganges rises, were also climbed. He sought adventure in places as distant from each other as the Arctic and Antarctic.

Hillary didn't place himself among top mountaineers. "I don't regard myself as a cracking good climber. I'm just strong in the back. I have a lot of enthusiasm and I'm good on ice," he said.

Despite his fame, he spoke of being "really embarrassed" even when introduced at a lecture.

"I really am an ordinary person with a few abilities which I've tried to use in the best way I can," he said.

The first living New Zealander to be featured on a banknote, he helped raise nearly $530,000 for the Himalayan Trust by signing 1,000 of the sparkling new five-dollar bills sold at a charity auction in 1982. They were snapped up by collectors round the world.

Honored by the United Nations as one of its Global 500 conservationists in 1987, he was also awarded numerous honorary doctorates from universities in several parts of the world.

One of his accolades was the Smithsonian Institution's James Smithson Bicentennial Medal for his "monumental explorations and humanitarian achievements," awarded in 1998.

Throughout his life Hillary remembered his first mountain he climbed, the 9,645-foot Mount Tapuaenuku — "Tappy" as he called it — in Marlborough on New Zealand's South Island. He scaled it solo over three days in 1944, while in training camp with the Royal New Zealand Air Force during World War II. "Tapuaenuku" in Maori means "footsteps of the Rainbow God".

"I'd climbed a decent mountain at last," he said later.

Like all good mountaineers before him, Hillary had no special insight into that quintessential question: Why climb?

"I can't give you any fresh answers to why a man climbs mountains. The majority still go just to climb them."
Intangelon
11-01-2008, 02:19
Nice wanky misleading thread title. :rolleyes:

Sir Edmund deserves better.
Mexar
11-01-2008, 03:05
:( about the loss of Sir Edmund. (also about the fact that it's not the other Hilary ;) )
The Lupine People
11-01-2008, 03:13
[QUOTE=Sel Appa;13362321]HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:

I knew it was too good to be True.
Nuclear Snow Bunnies
11-01-2008, 03:40
Well, *tear* Hillary is like a big splattered bug on the windshield of America. I am dissapointed.. Sorry about Sir. Ed Though, that's a loss..
Ohshucksiforgotourname
11-01-2008, 03:48
HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_re_au_an/obit_edmund_hillary)

Uh, no, I knew it was about Sir Edmund Hillary, because I've already heard about it.

But taken out of any context, it COULD be misunderstood to refer to Hillary Clinton.
Maybellets
11-01-2008, 03:53
We just wrapped up Into Thin Air in my English class. Hillary's mentioned a lot. I have a lot of respect for the guy, now that I know how hard it is to climb Mount Everest.

May he rest in peace.
Jeruselem
11-01-2008, 03:57
I'm sure God will find a nice heavenly mountain for Sir Edmund to climb in heaven.
Sel Appa
11-01-2008, 04:05
I'm sure God will find a nice heavenly mountain for Sir Edmund to climb in heaven.

:headbang:
Der Teutoniker
11-01-2008, 04:07
HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_re_au_an/obit_edmund_hillary)

He shall be missed. Not by me particularly, I didn't know him that well personally (or at all, for that matter). I'm sure there are people who will miss him... and as an admire-er I respect him.

We should erect a statue in his honor... on Mt Everest.
Jeruselem
11-01-2008, 04:18
:headbang:

I'm Chinese, and there is a heavenly mountain in China which the Emperor could pray to the Gods!
Zoingo
11-01-2008, 04:21
Why fates.....why couldn't it be Hilary Clinton...why?!?!?!?!?! :p

Seriously, her dying would be the greatest victory for american politics, except for Bill Clinton of course....
Free Socialist Allies
11-01-2008, 04:22
Hillary Clinton has died in New Zealand, and Obama has been dead for years and the last videos were obviously faked.
McVegas
11-01-2008, 04:26
Well who cares about Bill, He's a lazy m-f'er. But that's sad for Sir Edmund. Good man, Good man. But the emotional woman doesn't need to be in office, she'd push the special red button when she'd get mad. See?....FRED THOMPSON '08!
BunnySaurus Bugsii
11-01-2008, 04:47
The misleading thread title doesn't offend me too badly, since very few people would have enough knowledge or respect to farewell Edmund Hillary. (I won't call him "sir" since I have no respect for monarchs or aristocracy, even when granted for real achievements.)

And there is a very tenuous link: Hillary Rodham Clinton claimed her mother named her after the famous mountaineer.

Now, I don't have a lot of respect for adventurers generally. The early ones discovered places, but for the last century or so it's been an essentially ego-driven process of people "proving themselves" by doing something otherwise quite pointless.

But Edmund Hillary used his celebrity well, most particularly by advocating for the people of Nepal and single-handedly bringing recognition to the sherpas who so often did the same same climbs as the 'mountaineers', but with inferior equipment and carrying the white men's supplies for them.

A great New Zealander indeed.
Blouman Empire
11-01-2008, 04:55
A great man indeed, it is always a shame when a man like Sir Edmund Hillary passes on. While it seems like every man and his dog climb Mt Everest now, it should be remembered that when he climbed the mountain the range of expertise and technology was no where near at the level it is now and thus what he did is a great achievement one of the 'firsts' that can be respected
United Chicken Kleptos
11-01-2008, 04:57
HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_re_au_an/obit_edmund_hillary)

Noooooo!!!! I thought he was immortal!!
BunnySaurus Bugsii
11-01-2008, 05:44
A great man indeed, it is always a shame when a man like Sir Edmund Hillary passes on. While it seems like every man and his dog climb Mt Everest nowI doubt the Nepalese would allow that ;), it should be remembered that when he climbed the mountain the range of expertise and technology was no where near at the level it is now and thus what he did is a great achievement one of the 'firsts' that can be respected

Unlike those silly people in their supposed kayak. (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10486239)

I'm sick of hearing about them, hope they bloody well sink!
Araraukar
11-01-2008, 05:57
Aww, Sir Edmund will be missed. :(

I wouldn't climb a mountain even if I was paid to, but I admire all of those who can and will. At least he lived to 88 years old, so he didn't die too early. ^_^
Alexandrian Ptolemais
12-01-2008, 05:33
Ed Hillary's passing will be a great loss to our world, as has already been pointed out by many of the posters. What always amazed me was how ordinary he remained in spite of his fame and all the work that he did. He kept his name in the telephone directory, and was once given a phone call by a school student doing an assignment, not only did he answer the call, but he spoke at length on Everest and the other parts of his life. He was also quite famous for autographing NZ$5 notes, which he did quite happily. As far as he was concerned, he was just another guy.

I suppose he was also very lucky - it was only a last minute change of plans nearly thirty years ago that allowed him to live much longer.
Sel Appa
12-01-2008, 06:11
I suppose he was also very lucky - it was only a last minute change of plans nearly thirty years ago that allowed him to live much longer.

Please elaborate.
King Arthur the Great
12-01-2008, 07:17
To a great man, one whom only ever thought of himself as just a man.
Alexandrian Ptolemais
12-01-2008, 09:54
Please elaborate.

Back in the 1970s, Air New Zealand regularly ran sightseeing flights over Antarctica during the southern summer. Typically on these flights, either Sir Edmund Hillary or Peter Mulgrew would act as a "guide," informing the passengers on the various sights that they were seeing. Sir Ed was scheduled to be the "guide" on one of these flights, but at the last minute pulled out and let Peter Mulgrew act in his place. That flight was TE901 and crashed on the side of Mt Erebus, with the death of all on board.
Fall of Empire
12-01-2008, 13:28
HA! You thought it was Hillary Clinton. We're not that lucky...:p:rolleyes:


Way to get my hopes up :p
Tagmatium
12-01-2008, 13:31
Seems kind of a bit off to give the thread such a title, in my point of view. Dragging that sort of thing into what ought to be a respectful thread, as the man was a geniunely good person.
Intangelon
13-01-2008, 00:10
Well who cares about Bill, He's a lazy m-f'er. But that's sad for Sir Edmund. Good man, Good man. But the emotional woman doesn't need to be in office, she'd push the special red button when she'd get mad. See?....FRED THOMPSON '08!

:rolleyes: Uh-huh, it's the lazy ones who become governors and who successfully run for President twice, is it? That makes W just as lazy.

Now if you're through threadjacking...

Nova did a show on high altitude pathology as well, and I am constantly stunned at what it takes to just breathe at that altitude, let alone add the exertion of climbing a spire on top of it. When I visit my friends in Breckenridge, CO in the summer (elev. roughly 10,000 ft.), I get winded just drying off after a shower. Once I'm there a week or so, I actually feel capable of going on the hikes they take up there. I go on wussy hikes until I feel capable of coping with a fourteener.
Straughn
13-01-2008, 00:41
Seriously, her dying would be the greatest victory for american politics, except for Bill Clinton of course....
More seriously, you should move off that republican bullshit and get to the heart of the problem. Almost entirely the Bush administration and its supporters. Then you'd have something.
But that's several other threads ... two in current run.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547132

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547322

Your opinion is of course welcome there.
Ifreann
13-01-2008, 00:49
Screw you all, I made this joke in the first thread about him dying.
Demented Hamsters
13-01-2008, 05:19
Well who cares about Bill, He's a lazy m-f'er. But that's sad for Sir Edmund. Good man, Good man. But the emotional woman doesn't need to be in office, she'd push the special red button when she'd get mad. See?....FRED THOMPSON '08!
this cartoon was obviously aimed at you:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinion/ssi/images/Toles/c_01092008_520.gif
enough with the threadjack already. He was a great man, made even greater by his humble and caring nature. Not content with accomplishing fantastic feats of courage, grit and determination he also spent his life selflessly giving everything back to the people of Nepal.
Errikland
13-01-2008, 05:49
Sad about that. He was a good man.

Also sad about that not. She is a terrible woman.
Straughn
13-01-2008, 05:59
Also sad about that not. She is a terrible woman.

Ah .. so you're enticed by the idea of using her tears as a necessary lubricant?
Sel Appa
13-01-2008, 06:24
Back in the 1970s, Air New Zealand regularly ran sightseeing flights over Antarctica during the southern summer. Typically on these flights, either Sir Edmund Hillary or Peter Mulgrew would act as a "guide," informing the passengers on the various sights that they were seeing. Sir Ed was scheduled to be the "guide" on one of these flights, but at the last minute pulled out and let Peter Mulgrew act in his place. That flight was TE901 and crashed on the side of Mt Erebus, with the death of all on board.

Eh...you never know. He might've survived. Still interesting though.

:rolleyes: Uh-huh, it's the lazy ones who become governors and who successfully run for President twice, is it? That makes W just as lazy.

Now if you're through threadjacking...

Nova did a show on high altitude pathology as well, and I am constantly stunned at what it takes to just breathe at that altitude, let alone add the exertion of climbing a spire on top of it. When I visit my friends in Breckenridge, CO in the summer (elev. roughly 10,000 ft.), I get winded just drying off after a shower. Once I'm there a week or so, I actually feel capable of going on the hikes they take up there. I go on wussy hikes until I feel capable of coping with a fourteener.

Well they say athletes train in the mountains sometimes to strengthen thei lungs and stuff.
Demented Hamsters
13-01-2008, 06:57
Eh...you never know. He might've survived. Still interesting though.
This was pretty much all that was left of the plane:
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/images/erebus-blizzard.jpg
New Zealand’s Chief Inspector of Air Accidents of the Ministry of Transport, Ron Chippindale report:
On 28 November 1979, Air New Zealand’s DC10 flight TE901, on a sightseeing mission to Antarctica, crashed into the slopes of Ross Island. It was at 1,500 ft (457 m) and heading towards the 12,450 ft (3,795 m) Mt Erebus. Its number 1 engine, and most probably all three engines, were in climb settings of 94% of maximum power just below a level which might damage the engines. The ground speed was 257 knots or 476 kph. On impact the shock waves passed through the victims’ bodies at about 960 kph killing all 257 before nerve impulses at about 140 kph could transmit any pain, so the victims felt nothing.
Ed was tough, but not that tough!

Well they say athletes train in the mountains sometimes to strengthen their lungs and stuff.
It's called altitude training. Above 5000ft, your body produces more red blood cells to uptake as much oxygen as it can (since there's less O2 in each breath). When you come down to sea level your body keeps this for a couple of weeks - meaning that with each breath you are absorbing more oxygen and delivering more oxygen to your muscles, allowing you to utilise more energy and break down more lactic acid build-up (which causes muscle fatigue). The effect is only temporary as your body soon adapts back and you lose all those extra red-blood cells. It's most effective for middle-to-long distance events.
One of the reasons Kenyans are so good at distance-running is that Kenya itself is high altitude and they've adapted to that. They never lose the extra red-blood cell production.
Sel Appa
13-01-2008, 07:57
This was pretty much all that was left of the plane:
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/files/images/erebus-blizzard.jpg
New Zealand’s Chief Inspector of Air Accidents of the Ministry of Transport, Ron Chippindale report:

Ed was tough, but not that tough!
Ok then...guess not.

It's called altitude training. Above 5000ft, your body produces more red blood cells to uptake as much oxygen as it can (since there's less O2 in each breath). When you come down to sea level your body keeps this for a couple of weeks - meaning that with each breath you are absorbing more oxygen and delivering more oxygen to your muscles, allowing you to utilise more energy and break down more lactic acid build-up (which causes muscle fatigue). The effect is only temporary as your body soon adapts back and you lose all those extra red-blood cells. It's most effective for middle-to-long distance events.
One of the reasons Kenyans are so good at distance-running is that Kenya itself is high altitude and they've adapted to that. They never lose the extra red-blood cell production.
Powerthirst
Wawavia
13-01-2008, 08:28
A great man not just for what he did (although that takes massive stones), but also for the work he did to improve the lives of the Sherpas. By the way... why doesn't his companion on the trip get as much credit as he does?
United Beleriand
13-01-2008, 08:53
He climbed a mountain. So what? People are climbing mountains all the time, what's his significance? Being a Kiwi?
Demented Hamsters
13-01-2008, 09:54
He climbed a mountain. So what? People are climbing mountains all the time, what's his significance? Being a Kiwi?
mmm...interesting. I see you still retain the ability to write but have apparently lost the ability to read.
Intangelon
13-01-2008, 19:04
A great man not just for what he did (although that takes massive stones), but also for the work he did to improve the lives of the Sherpas. By the way... why doesn't his companion on the trip get as much credit as he does?

Is Tenzing Norgay dead?

He climbed a mountain. So what? People are climbing mountains all the time, what's his significance? Being a Kiwi?

Swinnnnng and a miss.
United Beleriand
13-01-2008, 19:08
mmm...interesting. I see you still retain the ability to write but have apparently lost the ability to read.Honey, what happens in NZ or to Kiwis is utterly irrelevant to me. I only hope one particular Kiwi doesn't mess up another work of Tolkien's. :rolleyes:
Sel Appa
13-01-2008, 20:35
Is Tenzing Norgay dead?



Swinnnnng and a miss.

Yes he died in the 80s.
Alexandrian Ptolemais
14-01-2008, 02:31
Yes he died in the 80s.

1986 to be exact. In 2003, only one of the original Sherpas was still alive, I am not sure if he is still alive or not.
Errikland
14-01-2008, 02:36
Ah .. so you're enticed by the idea of using her tears as a necessary lubricant?

I don't follow. I was referring to it sad being that Sir Edmund Hillary dying, as he was a good guy, and it being sad about Hillary Clinton not dying, as she is a terrible woman. I don't honestly wish death upon her, you understand.
Tanaara
14-01-2008, 02:40
He often truly was the man who went where no man had gone before. I have always admired him, and sorrow at our loss.

This is one of my favorite quotes... and for some reason, I know not why, I always thought of him whenever I read it.

"Something has spoken to me in the night, burning the tapers of the waning year; something has spoken in the night, and told me I shall die, I know not where. Saying: "To lose the earth you know, for greater knowing; to lose the life you have for greater life; to leave the friends you loved, for greater loving; to find a land more kind than home, more large than earth.
Whereon the pillars of this earth are founded, toward which the conscience of the world is tending-a wind is rising, and the rivers flow."

I guess maybe it is because I always thought of him as looking for, while still in this life, that land more large than earth...
Straughn
14-01-2008, 06:54
it being sad about Hillary Clinton not dying, as she is a terrible woman. I don't honestly wish death upon her, you understand.

Yes, put the two together ...
Demented Hamsters
14-01-2008, 08:01
Honey, what happens in NZ or to Kiwis is utterly irrelevant to me. I only hope one particular Kiwi doesn't mess up another work of Tolkien's. :rolleyes:
Well, if ever you do regain your ability to read, cast your eyes over this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501792&objectid=10486546
(too long to copy here)
And then come back and say he was nothing.