And the votes are in...
Well, with over 98% of votes counted, Clinton and McCain have won the New Hampshire primary. link (http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html)
The Democratic race really seems to be going back and forth with Clinton's win over Obama, slight as it was compared to his win in Iowa. Does anyone get the feeling that her "emotional moment" helped swing the tide in her favor?
Cabra West
09-01-2008, 17:14
Well, with over 98% of votes counted, Clinton and McCain have won the New Hampshire primary. link (http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html)
The Democratic race really seems to be going back and forth with Clinton's win over Obama, slight as it was compared to his win in Iowa. Does anyone get the feeling that her "emotional moment" helped swing the tide in her favor?
I've long since suspected that her reluctancy to get emotional is what seems to have made her suspicious to many voters... in the US, they seem to go for emotions a lot.
South Lorenya
09-01-2008, 17:29
In 2004, Howard Dean went emotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_have_a_scream#Iowa_results_and_the_.22Dean_Scream.22).
McCain/Clinton...and I thought we already saw SSDA with Kerry/Bush.
You just can't be mean to someone when they're crying. :(
Snafturi
09-01-2008, 18:39
In 2004, Howard Dean went emotional (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_have_a_scream#Iowa_results_and_the_.22Dean_Scream.22).
Not so much. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/politics/main596021.shtml) CNN admitted to overplaying it. And the audio doesn't pick up the crowd, who was making just as much if not more noise thatn Dean. Everyone was screaming, it was like a rock concert.
Dempublicents1
09-01-2008, 18:55
Well, with over 98% of votes counted, Clinton and McCain have won the New Hampshire primary. link (http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html)
The Democratic race really seems to be going back and forth with Clinton's win over Obama, slight as it was compared to his win in Iowa. Does anyone get the feeling that her "emotional moment" helped swing the tide in her favor?
I really think it was the particular demographic who came out and voted that did it. From what I can tell, there was a smaller percentage of young voters and a much smaller percentage of first-time voters in NH than in Iowa. Both groups still went for Obama, but they were a smaller percentage. Add in the fact that Edwards had less support in NH and you get a slim Clinton win.
I really think it was the particular demographic who came out and voted that did it. From what I can tell, there was a smaller percentage of young voters and a much smaller percentage of first-time voters in NH than in Iowa. Both groups still went for Obama, but they were a smaller percentage. Add in the fact that Edwards had less support in NH and you get a slim Clinton win.
Here's hoping it doesn't become a habit, I really don't want to have to vote Republican...
I am admittedly ignorant of the politics of NH and how the primary was run. But I have a hard time believing her little moment had anything but a negative impact, but the timing is there.
I think Edwards really doesn't have a shot. He campaigned extensively in Iowa, not so much in other spots. He may have overfocused his attention.
Tmutarakhan
09-01-2008, 19:57
Not so much. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/politics/main596021.shtml) CNN admitted to overplaying it. And the audio doesn't pick up the crowd, who was making just as much if not more noise thatn Dean. Everyone was screaming, it was like a rock concert.
Hillary's victory speech was very funny that way. For whatever odd reason, she decided to revert to policy-wonk mode, while the crowd was in a celebratory mood wanting to stomp their feet and yell every time she paused:
"Too many people in this country cannot afford health insurance..."
YAY! RAH! Clap clap clap!
"...and working people are losing their homes to foreclosure..."
YAY! RAH! Clap clap clap!
Evil Cantadia
09-01-2008, 20:03
I really think it was the particular demographic who came out and voted that did it. From what I can tell, there was a smaller percentage of young voters and a much smaller percentage of first-time voters in NH than in Iowa. Both groups still went for Obama, but they were a smaller percentage. Add in the fact that Edwards had less support in NH and you get a slim Clinton win.
I'll say what I said in the other thread ... I think the polling numbers showing a close race between Romeny and McCain and a blowout of Obama over Clinton caused independent voters to gravitate toward what was expected to be the closer campaign ... so Obama bled independent votes to McCain, and the pollsters caused their own predictions to fail.
I voted today...A full month a head of when I am supposed. Hooray for absentee votes! :)
And I voted John Edwards for democrat candidate. I really hope he does well on super tuesday, as opposed to his 3rd place finishes in Iowa and NH. He is the best chance for a democrat president to be elected, as he is a white, southern democrat, and that will garner more support from the south, which is key to winning the white house. Too many southerners feel that Shrillary...erm hillary is too communist, and don't even consider Obama for the obvious reason. And they dare not even mention Bill Richardson, being they are sure he is a pack of illegal immigrants in disguise.
I voted today...A full month a head of when I am supposed.
Epic time warp.
Myrmidonisia
09-01-2008, 20:42
Well, with over 98% of votes counted, Clinton and McCain have won the New Hampshire primary. link (http://www.politico.com/nhprimaries/nhmap-popup.html)
The Democratic race really seems to be going back and forth with Clinton's win over Obama, slight as it was compared to his win in Iowa. Does anyone get the feeling that her "emotional moment" helped swing the tide in her favor?
I wonder why we give any credence to either the Iowa or the New Hampshire race. After all, these states contribute almost no votes to the party nominating convention.
The winner should just be a footnote in the news, sometime after the sports and weather, you know? Something like "And be back at 11 to find out who John Galt really is. And by the way, Clinton and McCain won that obscure little state primary in New Hampshire, yesterday... "
I guess there just isn't enough to do in DC for the mainstream media to stay home.