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Since, for the last 8 years or so, it seems that the US's foreign policy has been the equivalent of inviting the rest of the world to to kiss our collective rosey red asses,
I was thinking its time to maybe start taking the opinions of the rest of the world into consideration.

I realize this is radical and dangerous thinking, and I will likely be dragged out into the street and shot, or worse, get labeled a dirty Liberal.
Cest la vie.

You folks who are NOT from the United States...

Who would YOU like to see become our next President, and why?

If you like, mention what country you're from, it'll help.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education

edit: English, UK blah blah

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education

Ok. Do you think she would be better at foreign relations than Obama?

It's a pity Evil Knievel is dead really, a man who can jumped 50 trucks on a motorcycle is impressive.

Ok. Do you think she would be better at foreign relations than Obama?

no but education is a pretty big issue which I haven't seen much discussion on :(

not that Hillary will be able to do anything with a presidency at the moment beyond writing some harsh letters

I chose Obama...



I from Indonesia, and a Muslim..

It's a pity Evil Knievel is dead really, a man who can jumped 50 trucks on a motorcycle is impressive.

did you see that documentary on him? not the nicest man, actually I suggest a prime location for a dance studio

I from Indonesia, and a Muslim..

did your religion influence that at all :confused:

That same test tells me that I should vote for Obama too.
It also says Fred Thompson is the anti-christ.

I believe it.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education
The same site puts me next to Obama too.

The same site puts me next to Obama too.

it may actually be that hes not batshit insane :eek:

which in politics means hes actually evil instead of just stupid and ignorant

I chose Obama...



I from Indonesia, and a Muslim..
I can't wait to see how New Mittiani or The Atlantian Islands is going to spin that one.

Half the reason I did this poll, was becuase I was curious if Obama might be able to put a better face on the White House, or even America in general, to the rest of the world, particularly the Middle East.

Im not convinced hes right for the job, myself, but there seems to be a growing belief that he can greatly improve our image with the rest of the world.
I think thats an awfully high standard to hold to anyone who gets the job, really.

Ja! Conservative people would have left me out because I have relation to Obama's both father. Same religion... Anyway I vote Obama if I am in USA (Stop referring that place as America! It is USA!!). Still I wonder what I'll do once I step in to the place where masses wins, unlike here, where minorities (which will have me included:p-kidding!) won...

Scotland.

I'd much prefer a US President that relied on multi-lateral solutions to diplomatic, military and environmental matters.

Specifically, I'd like to see a US President with a sincere respect for the UN, and its respective bodies. Greater US participation within the United Nations would vastly improve the organisations ability to mantain peace throughout the world. For instance, respecting the opinions of the General Assembly and Security Council in respect to situations in the Middle East, and other hotspots.

The UN's initial non-intervention in the recent Israeli incursion into Lebanon was almost solely due to US and British refusal to acknowledge calls for a ceasefire and reinforced Peacekeeping force, choosing to ignore calls from the entire International community to allow a resolution to be brought to the table. This initial hesitation has further destabilised perhaps the best chance for a truly democratic, economically prosperous Middle Eastern nation.

The US's ignoring of UN weapons inspector's insistance that Saddam had no WMD's prior to the Iraq invasion is another example of the kind of US unilateralism we have come to expect, with disastrous results.

Also, I'd like to see a US President who is level-headed enough to re-open diplomatic ties with nations such as Iran. This ridiculous "I'm not talking to you" game has gone on far enough.

Willingness to cooperate with the other nations of the world via the UN in respect to Global Warming would also be a good quality in a new US President.

I think Obama seems most likely to take this kind of stance in regards to foreign policy.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education

Hmm, on that test I appear close to no one in particular because I'm seem fairly central though leaning towards the Democratic crop more than any other - I'm about equidistant to all the D candidates though not really close enough to say I'd support them.

That about sums up my attitude, I can't see a single one I'd vote for, at least Evil Knievel would provide some entertainment.

Scotland.

I'd much prefer a US President that relied on multi-lateral solutions to diplomatic, military and environmental matters.

Sounds to me like you would prefer one of the Democrats for this one.


Specifically, I'd like to see a US President with a sincere respect for the UN, and its respective bodies. Greater US participation within the United Nations would vastly improve the organisations ability to mantain peace throughout the world. For instance, respecting the opinions of the General Assembly and Security Council in respect to situations in the Middle East, and other hotspots.

The trouble with that, are two things.
Anytime such a thing is suggested to the general populace, they respond with "why should we let the U.N tell us what to do?" mentality.
Also, more participation of military variety in such hotspots, costs a lot of money.
Thats an issue here, becuase we're spending a LOT of money that we dont really have on our already bloated military budget.

A possible recession in the future...our auto industry in the toilet, becuase it refuses to compete...we cant afford it.


The UN's initial non-intervention in the recent Israeli incursion into Lebanon was almost solely due to US and British refusal to acknowledge calls for a ceasefire and reinforced Peacekeeping force, choosing to ignore calls from the entire International community to allow a resolution to be brought to the table. This initial hesitation has further destabilised perhaps the best chance for a truly democratic, economically prosperous Middle Eastern nation.

The US's ignoring of UN weapons inspector's insistance that Saddam had no WMD's prior to the Iraq invasion is another example of the kind of US unilateralism we have come to expect, with disastrous results.

Also, I'd like to see a US President who is level-headed enough to re-open diplomatic ties with nations such as Iran. This ridiculous "I'm not talking to you" game has gone on far enough.

Willingness to cooperate with the other nations of the world via the UN in respect to Global Warming would also be a good quality in a new US President.

I think Obama seems most likely to take this kind of stance in regards to foreign policy.

I think Im starting to agree.

I was up, and left of course...
Strange, I was also in the up during the political compass test (My position that time was the same at that test.)

That about sums up my attitude, I can't see a single one I'd vote for, at least Evil Knievel would provide some entertainment.

welcome to democracy!

According to the test linked in Call to Power's post I fall in amongst the Democrat candidates - marginally closer to Edwards than to Obama - and furthest away from Thompson. So, assuming that the test is reasonable accurate, it looks as if I'd be best suited voting for John Edwards or Barack Obama.

That quiz placed me closest to Giuliani, and next-closest to Ron Paul, and furthest from Obama.

Edit: I'm from England, but tried to answer it as I think I would have done if I were American instead.

I'm White/Canadian. I'd like to see Obama take the presidency.

I'd like to see Obama take the Presidency.

From England. Atheist

Obama. I'm a tad leftist :D and as you don't have a left wing party, I'll have to go Democrat. Hillary is too militaristic, so I'm left with Obama.

Obama actually looks like he has a clue. He wont be a puppet. He seems educated, and not crazy.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

Ron Paul is the nearest in all regards, but still, he is too far, far away. I'm right smack in the center, with them candidates in the extremes (Nobody's entered my circle thingy). Perhaps that's why I don't like any.

Who would YOU like to see become our next President, and why?

Dennis Kucinich, because his views coincide the closest to mine, even if I do disagree on a few issues (I do not agree with his stance on guest worker visas and withdrawal from the WTO) and he is basically the only one of the candidates who is a proper leftist, and seeing as he's a centre left-wing progressivist and as close to a social democrat this race has, that suits me just fine.

Then just don't vote... Although high chance you will regret it.
I am not even American, for that matter. Thank God I don't vote in their elections. :D

Then just don't vote... Although high chance you will regret it.

The Site said that I have the hots for Obama and that Thompson is my evil Step-Mom. But without having to rely on that test, I'd say Kucinich, even though you almost never hear from him, but it seems like he's the only one that could be reallystically classified as someone in the left field.

But if it comes down to a realistic option, I wouldn't really have a problem to go with Obama.

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Who would YOU like to see become our next President, and why?

If you like, mention what country you're from, it'll help.A leftist, perhaps.

From Germany, but I have a US passport as well.

This...
The Site said that I have the hots for Obama and that Thompson is my evil Step-Mom.

...and that.
But if it comes down to a realistic option, I wouldn't really have a problem to go with Obama.


Of course, I wish there would be more alternatives....but alas, people like to vote for the winner.

Of the realistic contenders left, probably Obama.

Hillary couldn't get anything done, Edwards is too likely to start screwing with trade. The Republicans aren't serious presidential material, I think. Huckabee's a nutcase, Giuliani gets too excited about fighting crime and terrorism and McCain seems like little more than a continuation of the current administration. Which leaves Romney, who is my favourite of the GOP candidates, but questionable on social issues.

Hooray! Obama's voter in NS is emmensing! Hope this trend will continue to infect other web as well!!

W00t!!

Of the realistic contenders left, probably Obama.

Hillary couldn't get anything done, Edwards is too likely to start screwing with trade. The Republicans aren't serious presidential material, I think. Huckabee's a nutcase, Giuliani gets too excited about fighting crime and terrorism and McCain seems like little more than a continuation of the current administration. Which leaves Romney, who is my favourite of the GOP candidates, but questionable on social issues.

Maybe you'd like to reconsider, and vote Goofball/Backwoods?
8-12.

C'mon!
Everyone likes an underdog.

From Germany, but I have a US passport as well.

so thats where that backpacker got to ;)

Ok. Do you think she would be better at foreign relations than Obama?
Although I fervently disagree with the ronbots on pretty much every issue, I do think they have a point to the foreign affairs argument. I am more and more seeing the US foreign affairs to becoming the 'weapon of mass distraction' in US politics, to distract attention from internal opposition and resent over domestic policies, the old solving problems at home by fighting a war abroad seems to be very relevant, and I think the US populace has become far too vulnerable to the hysterical 'historical moments' rhetoric of their leaders, and these leaders have turned that hysteria into political capital. People would rather believe that some evil Islamists on the other side of the world are their biggest problem they have rather than the fact that they don't have health insurance, or they can't afford their mortgage.

Obama seems like a nice sane choice.

From that list:

Edwards.

Hillary couldn't get anything done, Edwards is too likely to start screwing with trade.why would you assume that about Edwards?

Obama, I suppose. We seem to agree on nearly everything. I think I would like Nader but has he gone insane?

Clinton, because her husband would make a hilarious First Lady. Failing that, anyone except Ron Paul, because his supporters annoy the hell out of me.


For srsly, I haven't been paying enough attention to pick one form the others.

holland here, and it is obama

I'm 100% behind Obama. I get a massive JFK vibe off him, and as an Irishman, anything vaguely to do with the Kennedys gets my vote. :p

But I accidentally voted for Edwards there! Bummer! I hope Johny runs as Obama's VP though, that'd be an awesome ticket.

i had a dream this afternoon that Obama won.

None of those in the running have the balls I think this nation needs. Obama is completely inexperienced, Clinton is to power hungry, Giuliani doesn't have any real leadership skills, McCain turned his back on the POW/MIAs we left in Vietnam (unforgivable), Edwards policies give me pause...I could go on.
No one has the balls to stand up to the "world community" and do whats needed to be done to end this war. As in VICTORY, no retreat. But that doesn't rule out a necessary withdrawl, seeing as how the Turks and Iranians are bloodthirsty at the moment.
We've been in place were far less our concern. We got pulled into Somalia by the UN, we got pulled into Kosovo by Europe, did we need to be in any of those places? Can't Europe clean up their own backyard with out drawing us in?
The only candidate who is really taking a stand to foreign powers trying to run our country is Ron Paul, but even then some of what he says concerns me.

I would much prefer obama as president

Im Irish the republic of Ireland that is

I chose Obama...



I from Indonesia, and a Muslim..

No surprise there.

No surprise there.

? What do you mean by that?


Edwards and Obama seem the most reasonable.

England.

Wow, one vote for a Republican out of 52.

This is the best example the RNC could give for their candidates. Your competitors and enemies always want the weaker link in charge. That's the reason they love the democrats.

? What do you mean by that?


Edwards and Obama seem the most reasonable.

England.

Anyone that will weaken the U.S would seem like a good idea to you yank hating foreigners.

Anyone that will weaken the U.S would seem like a good idea to you yank hating foreigners.Outstanding! I agree with you.

Anyone that will weaken the U.S would seem like a good idea to you yank hating foreigners.

Then why does the majority of the world dislike Bush ?

Yankee Doodle Dandy! (with small amounts of macaroni)

Because he is not a socialist.

But he definitely has weakened the USA. To the benefit of other countries.
Despite that, the world does not glorify him.

Then why does the majority of the world dislike Bush ?

Because he is not a socialist.

Why not include Ron Paul in your poll? He trounced Giuliani in Iowa and will undoubtedly do well in New Hampshire. I would vote for Ron Paul because I believe he is the only one who is not a total liar. Obama preaches about civil liberties but he voted for the Patriot Act. Paul did not. Ron Paul is the only one who seems like he will truly make sure America is not involved in any entanglements with foreign nations that hurts America.

Why bother asking a bunch of people who can't vote in our election what candidate they would prefer? They have no influence and no authority in the selection of our next president, who cares who they favor?

And for the record, nothing has made me more appreciative of the United States and the freedoms that we enjoy here more than overseas travel.

Why bother asking a bunch of people who can't vote in our election what candidate they would prefer? They have no influence and no authority in the selection of our next president, who cares who they favor?

Because how the world thinks about your president directly influences your life.

Anyone that will weaken the U.S would seem like a good idea to you yank hating foreigners.

Why will Obama 'weaken' the US?

And I am not a 'yank hater', thank you.

Anyone that will weaken the U.S would seem like a good idea to you yank hating foreigners.
Oh, please.

Close between Obama and Hilary, but I would have to go with Hillary because her husband handled the economy extremely well and I'm hoping he will have some influence.

But he definitely has weakened the USA. To the benefit of other countries.
Despite that, the world does not glorify him.

I don't really like Bush either, but it was more like a less of 2 evils.

Why not include Ron Paul in your poll?.

I didnt include him becuase he doesnt have a realistic shot at winning the Republican nomination, ergo, doesnt have a realistic shot at winning.

For the same reason, I also didnt include Richardson in the Dem side.

Since, for the last 8 years or so, it seems that the US's foreign policy has been the equivalent of inviting the rest of the world to to kiss our collective rosey red asses,
I was thinking its time to maybe start taking the opinions of the rest of the world into consideration.

I realize this is radical and dangerous thinking, and I will likely be dragged out into the street and shot, or worse, get labeled a dirty Liberal.
Cest la vie.

You folks who are NOT from the United States...

Who would YOU like to see become our next President, and why?

If you like, mention what country you're from, it'll help.

I'd like Obama, but it isn't going to change my opinion of the united states anytime soon; unlike what some Americans think, we don't judge a nation on the color of their skin, or gender. America is going to have to do a hell of a lot to get back in favor with the world, and that means cleaning up your messes; getting out of the middle east isn't good enough, you're going to have to repay all those hurt because of your actions.

I'd like Obama, but it isn't going to change my opinion of the united states anytime soon; unlike what some Americans think, we don't judge a nation on the color of their skin, or gender. America is going to have to do a hell of a lot to get back in favor with the world, and that means cleaning up your messes; getting out of the middle east isn't good enough, you're going to have to repay all those hurt because of your actions.

I hear what youre saying, and youre right, we have a lot of apologizing to do, and some serious measures to take.

However, by that same logic, Britian will be doing twice as much as the US, for the last 1000 years of misery theyve inflicted upon Ireland, and Scotland, and most of the rest of the world.

By that same logic, Rome, or Italy in gerneral, will be doing twice as much as Britian.

So, unless we move along, and "bury the hatchet", we can go back and forth all day about the horrible crap we've all done to each other in the past.

Im more interested in the future.
Im much more concerned about making things better, starting TODAY.

So, my question to you, is who, out of those provided, is most likely to be the right person to get us back on a gobal track?

Barack Obama FTW...literally

Ron Paul.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education

edit: English, UK blah blah

I got Hillary, but I think you need to take out the issues that aren't important to you. Which makes me with Obama...

I clicked huckabee before i read your post, but i am american. I think Obama has the best forign policy, but I'm still voting Huckabee.

I hear what youre saying, and youre right, we have a lot of apologizing to do, and some serious measures to take.

However, by that same logic, Britian will be doing twice as much as the US, for the last 1000 years of misery theyve inflicted upon Ireland, and Scotland, and most of the rest of the world.

By that same logic, Rome, or Italy in gerneral, will be doing twice as much as Britian.

So, unless we move along, and "bury the hatchet", we can go back and forth all day about the horrible crap we've all done to each other in the past.

Im more interested in the future.
Im much more concerned about making things better, starting TODAY.

So, my question to you, is who, out of those provided, is most likely to be the right person to get us back on a gobal track?

The mistakes of others don't justify or excuse your own.

why would you assume that about Edwards?
Because he's the most "little man" left-wing candidate. And unfortunately, that usually means economic populism, ie tariffs and subsidies to help against competition from overseas.

The mistakes of others don't justify or excuse your own.

So who said anything about exscusing our actions? For when you say "your", Im assuming you mean "all you americans".

Let me tell you, yah, Im sorry.
Im sorry my country has denegrated itself to the type of place that elected a complete twat, not once....but twice!
Oh wait...no..it was only the once.

Im sorry that asshole has fucked up everything hes touched in the last eight years, although I was not consulted, nor have I ever cast a vote for him.

Im sorry that war plans proceeded despite half the country objecting to the whole thing, and have been continuing to object for every one of these last 8 years.
Only now, its more like 3/4 of the country is objecting, and STILL, there we are up to our assholes in foreign sand.

Most of all, Im sorry tyou insist upon dwelling on the mistakes of one douchebag and his cronies, and not speaking about what you would like to see in the future.

Come large, as they say, or stay home.

I clicked huckabee before i read your post, but i am american. I think Obama has the best forign policy, but I'm still voting Huckabee.

Why?

What issues do you feel are more important, and why Huckabee?

You folks who are NOT from the United States...

Who would YOU like to see become our next President, and why?

If you like, mention what country you're from, it'll help.

I'd like a Nader/Gore or a LG/Gore ticket. Of the available choices, an Obama/Edwards would be the ideal - I feel that Rodham-Clinton is way too much centrist.

I hear what youre saying, and youre right, we have a lot of apologizing to do, and some serious measures to take.

However, by that same logic, Britian will be doing twice as much as the US, for the last 1000 years of misery theyve inflicted upon Ireland, and Scotland, and most of the rest of the world.

By that same logic, Rome, or Italy in gerneral, will be doing twice as much as Britian.

So, unless we move along, and "bury the hatchet", we can go back and forth all day about the horrible crap we've all done to each other in the past.


Hem... apart from the little facts that:
1.England (not Britain) ruled Ireland and Scotland for less than 500 years iirc - and Britain has lost its empire after WW2 - that's more than 60 years.
2.Ireland is an independent country since some tens of years and Scotland is on par with England (at least nominally) within the UK.
3.Rome ruled Mediterranean and Europe about 2000 years ago. Italy has lost all its vestiges of imperialism after WW2, and after suffering foreign invasions and conquest from about 400 AD to 1900 AD (Goths, Vandals, Langobards, Franks, Arabs, Byzantines, the Holy Roman Empire, France, Spain, Austria-Hungary, Germany...).
4.Italy, differently from the USA, keeps a lot of troops abroad on UN-allowed peacekeeping and rebuilding missions only (Kosovo, Lebanon, Afghanistan).
4.On the contrary, the USA are currently keeping invasion forces in Iraq, building tension with Iran, allowing their turkish allies raids in iraqi Kurdistan, and generally playing the bully in the global sandbox. I'd say that this isn't the past... it's the present.

So, it isn't about "asking pardon". It's about changing the US foreign policies now and making reparations - like Italy, for one, was justly forced to do to its former colonies after losing them.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama

though it appears Hillary has the most important issue in mind with a strong focus on education

edit: English, UK blah blah


Took the test .. and I ended up here (http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o153/LykLakGil/electoralcompass.jpg).

The same site puts me next to Obama too.

It put me near him as well ... I'm starting to suspect a fix ... :)

I probably wouldn't vote, I mean I don't see a real choice. A bunch of moderately (or sometimes vastly) rich people accepting large sums of money from pressure groups and corporations, with only two truly competitive party machines, which themselves can be totally different depending on where you live within the USA. Not forgetting that once they get in there's Iron Triangles, Congress, Supreme Court etc.

From the point of the view of the UK (I live in Wales), we'd probably pick the one who was least likely to start another war I guess.

You forgot Ron Paul.

In before "Why does it matter what some bloody foreigners think of our President? Not only can they not vote in our elections, because none of them have anything near the true democracy God granted the United States, they're all a bunch of socialist pinko liberal hippy drug dealer environmentalists who want to ban me from shooting anyone I damn like on my own property!"

Anyway, of all the candidates, I haven't seen any I particularly like. I suppose as long as it's not some extremist like Huckabee or Paul, I wouldn't particularly care.

According to that test I got Obama, however I would prefer to shoot them all and actually place someone with principals in the position. Preferably someone from the Left, but the US doesn't actually seem to have any true Left-wingers.

From England.

well they all suck but I took a test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got closest to Obama



I took that test you linked and landed dead center Giuliani. Happens to be who I was leaning towards anyways.

By the way, if Bloomfeld decided to run, I'd definitely support him. Not so much because he's a great guy, but because he doesn't belong to either party.

A guy like him being successful is basically the only way I see to break the two party system and bring some real choice into US politics.

You forgot Ron Paul.

The bottom choice replaced Ron Paul. They are both equally crazy. ;)

Took this test (http://www.electoralcompass.com/page/0/thema%20s/) and got Ron Paul. Go figure. My opinion was only one off from his every single time.

Get rid of the bureaucracy by simply removing it!

The bottom choice replaced Ron Paul. They are both equally crazy. ;)

So when do we start spamming youtube and arranging marches in WoW to show our support for the LG revolution?