NationStates Jolt Archive

Your stance on it. Need I say any more?

Your stance on it. Need I say any more?

Yes?


Oh, and: Sucks.

...Anyone one who disagrees with it shouldn't sign up?

Disagreed with it going in, but we kind of need to fix it now. Running off isn't going to help anyone.

I was strongly opposed to it, mainly because there didn't seem to be much that could be gained (and quite frankly, I don't consider the London and Madrid bombings, oodles of Iraqis fleeing their country, and the current situation with Turkey in Northern Iraq as things that we've "gained", but as security and wellbeing that the world has lost) and because invading would commit us to stay and clean up the mess.

It should of been, pardon the term, a slam dunk. Go in, oust Saddam, install a puppet regime under the guise of democracy and be out again in six months. Instead it was the most ineptly managed war in history.

*flashback to 2003*

We didn't have a very good justification going in (Iraqi WMD's = ?)

We have a hell of a good justification for staying now (Car bombs = :( )

Well the reason i put we should go in, were partly the september 11th attack, then the media said saddam committed many atrocities, so this furthered my idea, then the so called "weapons of mass destruction" saddam had, i thought we should definately go in.

Now well looking back i was a little naive, and young, and the information about the weapons turned out to be based on nothing.

in fact now i think of it, was the reasons the US and UK invaded Afghanistan were for the "terrorist threat". Now i realise, blair put the UK through 3 wars and got away with it, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq.
I actually know very little as to why we charged in there, it seemed a good thing to do, but now i look back, most of the other nations didn't support this war.

So now i think the US and UK should leave, not just for the cost of keeping our forces there but the political pressure put on UK,US has increased. Maybe the UN should sort it out, and not the UK and US.

Yea! The UN handles Rwanda so well after all!
Better than the US did ;)

Well the reason i put we should go in, were partly the september 11th attack, then the media said saddam committed many atrocities, so this furthered my idea, then the so called "weapons of mass destruction" saddam had, i thought we should definately go in.

Now well looking back i was a little naive, and young, and the information about the weapons turned out to be based on nothing.

in fact now i think of it, was the reasons the US and UK invaded Afghanistan were for the "terrorist threat". Now i realise, blair put the UK through 3 wars and got away with it, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq.
I actually know very little as to why we charged in there, it seemed a good thing to do, but now i look back, most of the other nations didn't support this war.

So now i think the US and UK should leave, not just for the cost of keeping our forces there but the political pressure put on UK,US has increased. Maybe the UN should sort it out, and not the UK and US.

Yea! The UN handles Rwanda so well after all!

It should of been, pardon the term, a slam dunk. Go in, oust Saddam, install a puppet regime under the guise of democracy and be out again in six months. Instead it was the most ineptly managed war in history.

No you're wrong, the First World War was the most ineptly managed war in history, not only for the sheer size of the slaughter but because it was really the politicians pathetic ability to communicate with each other, of power-block tactics.
The reason we see the Iraq war as badly managed is because of so much media coverage, which damages soldiers morale in the fighting, Vietnam was far worse than this war.
This whole terrorism thing is another key reason why the US and UK have had less than good progress.

Saddam made me late for school with his speech so I'm was in full support of ridding the world of that tyrant :p

I supported the war when it started because I was 13 and addicted to Red alert 2 (plus everyone else was against so anti-conformity kicked in)

however now I suggest pulling out and getting out of the Iraqi governments hair with all our cunning plans

Yea! The UN handles Rwanda so well after all!

actually they have achieved quite an unexpected success considering the resources they have access to

I was against the war from the outset, and knowing what I know now I can certainly say that the invasion of Iraq has been incredibly detrimental to the Iraqi's standards of living and way of life, especially for women, compared to what they had under Saddam Hussein.

British international clout has been diminished even further owing to the British government's decision to tie British foreign policy to US policy by the leg. This was in the futile hope that our Prime Minister could in any way moderate US foreign policy.

The American and British armed forces have been stretched so thin in Iraq, that our ability to enact rapid responses to unexpected circumstances has been diminished. In particular, the discomforting situation in Kosovo.

The Neoconservative wet dream of sculpting a Pro-American pseudo democratic Middle East has spectacularly backfired, as the Middle East destabilises. Iran is becoming increasingly more belligerent. The Taliban have resurfaced once more in Afghanistan, threatening to topple the puppet regime of Karzai. Lebanon's fragile democracy is once again under assault from elements within and without.

Events within Iraq have even affected African, Pan-Arab and Asian nations, with a rise in Radical Islamic militant activity in Somalia, Pakistan and Thailand. Many young militants have been inspired by the Iraqi conflict to form Al-Qaeda linked groups within various nations, intending to commit acts of terrorism.

So I was against the war, and I'd say my decision has been vindicated. I'd agree that a significant British and American presence has to be kept within Iraq until the situation greatly improves. However, once the situation has improved, then we get out of there, and never attempt such a ridiculous course of action again.

I am a supporter of the war in Iraq and we need to stay until we can defeat the terrorist or Iraq is strong enough to take them on their own and ask us to leave.

America had no real reason to go in, caused chaos, and Britain only joined because Blair wanted to suck up to Bush.

I think using the term war in this case is a gross overstatement. Regardless of the lies and illeagality of going in it is our duty as Americans to ensure that those who volunteer to defend our liberties are cared for. It is unjust and unmoral to subject our troops to police another countries citizens. We send troops not baby sitters and to have those who have perished, been wounded and disabled by policy weakens the strength of their resolve. Every day that continues is another day that can never be relived and for some that day never comes. It is a shame that 70% of the American public agree that this needs to end but no action is taken. It screams that we as Americans have no voice in our country. Stop the War, Stop Funding the War, Stop it Now before another American Soilder is killed and before another Iraqi citizen is killed. The citizens of Iraq did not attack America.

Your stance on it. Need I say any more?

Supported removing Saddam Hussein. Opposed the mess Rumsfeld created by not listening to his generals. Opposed Bush's "nation building". I don't even believe in democracy. And now I'm sick of having our soldiers getting shot at by a bunch of Islamofascists, and they can't even go after the source. It reminds me of horror stories I hear from Vietnam vet's.

If we can't go in and decisively crush the terrorists (that means Syria and Iran must be decapitated, Bin Laden, the House of Saud, and Hamas found and hung for crimes against humanity, and crush Wahhabism and Islamo-Fascism once and for all) then we should just get out of there, because sitting their like ducks isn't going to help the situation.

...Anyone one who disagrees with it shouldn't sign up?

That reminds me how well it goes when you remind people it's an all-volunteer military. Especially people with family there.

Even ex-cons can get in on that action, w00t!