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What are elements of the ideal society in which you would want to live? would you want to pay taxes? would you want weed, alcohol and hookers to be cheap and easy to get? would you like there to be state religion or state executions? on a side note, its your nationstate state anything like your ideal society?

My NS Nation is exactly how I would build a society, assuming I were the top dog. That being said, ones ideal society is entirely dependent on one position in society.

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What are elements of the ideal society in which you would want to live? would you want to pay taxes? would you want weed, alcohol and hookers to be cheap and easy to get? would you like there to be state religion or state executions? on a side note, its your nationstate state anything like your ideal society?

1) Who WANTS to pay taxes? However, if one is going to fund police, fire fighters, ambulance, roads, bridges, and all the other myriad things society can't get along without, taxes are necessary.

2) Alcohol is cheap and easy to get -- if you're of age. Weed, why not. Hookers... you want to take that risk, Sonny Jim, go ahead. Just don't expect to get healthcare for free/low cost if you commit risky behaviors like smoking, drinking, having unprotected sex and as a result of them get some debilitating or possibly terminal illness. (That goes for: injecting illegal drugs w/dirty needles, having a car crash while talking on your cell phone, wanting health care for injuries sustained in "extreme sports", etc. You take the risk, you REALLY take the risk.)

3) State religion: hell no. Let each person decide what to worship, or whether to worship at all. State execution: not necessary. But if we put someone away for life, then we might as well get some useful service out of them -- building roads, planting/picking crops -- not just working out. watching cable and leeching off society. Pay 'em in privileges for their work -- but make 'em work.

Free education for everyone, as high as they'd care to go, so long as they maintain a minimum average.

Vocational training for those who don't want/can't maintain educational training, so that everyone can have a decent living wage by being trained for what he/she is best at.

Tolerant, social, democratic, guaranteeing all human rights.
It would value education, free thought, innovation, equality and peace. And it would be completely secular.

Canada...except it bit more...European socially and economically

My ideal society would be a benevolent dictatorship run by an immortal dictator-for-life that actually does know what is best.

Unfortunately, those kinds of people are impossible to come by, so I'll make do with a democracy.

Canada...except it bit more...European socially and economically

They have that. It's called Europe. :p

Tolerant, social, democratic, guaranteeing all human rights.
It would value education, free thought, innovation, equality and peace. And it would be completely secular.

Ditto.

No, I'm not lazy. But I simply wouldn't be able to sum my thoughts up nearly as concisely and simply as comrade Cabra West.

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Ah hell.

I'll tack on one thing: on top of this, I'd make sure we'd have a strong, efficient military. Just in case.

It would be a lot like Star Trek. But muddier. *nod*

Ditto.

No, I'm not lazy. But I simply wouldn't be able to sum my thoughts up nearly as concisely and simply as comrade Cabra West.

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Ah hell.

I'll tack on one thing: on top of this, I'd make sure we'd have a strong, efficient military. Just in case.


We seem to differ there... I would only have the smallest possible minimum of military.
I would however have a well-trained, well-funded and closely observed police force.

It would be a lot like Star Trek. But muddier. *nod*

The mental image of muddy ageing Captain Kirk and Lt Uhura ... *shudders*

It would be a lot like Star Trek. But muddier. *nod*

FIRE THE MUDSERS AT WILL!!!!

*Will gets completely muddied, head to toe, and in places mud was NEVER supposed to be*

It would be a lot like Star Trek. But muddier. *nod*

How would you identify the expendable underclass(the redshirts)? Since everyone would be covered in mud, ya know.

How would you identify the expendable underclass(the redshirts)? Since everyone would be covered in mud, ya know.

They only get to use red mud?

It would be a lot like Star Trek. But muddier. *nod*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZi6MRZn-us

We seem to differ there... I would only have the smallest possible minimum of military.
I would however have a well-trained, well-funded and closely observed police force.

I'm not talking about something on the scale of the US military: I wouldn't put nearly as much money into new weapons that we'll never use (seriously, we don't need artillery shells that can steer themselves). Efficiency and effectiveness is key, period. And it would exist in a purely defensive role, and all volunteer.

A neutral, environmentally stunning liberal paradise with extensive human rights and equality for all. Taxes are unfortunately a necessity if you want to live in a country with good public services. Little or no army; maybe something similar to the Icelandic Coastguard. Economically I would try my best to mix the equality of socialism and the freedom of capitalism. :D

1) Who WANTS to pay taxes? However, if one is going to fund police, fire fighters, ambulance, roads, bridges, and all the other myriad things society can't get along without, taxes are necessary.

2) Alcohol is cheap and easy to get -- if you're of age. Weed, why not. Hookers... you want to take that risk, Sonny Jim, go ahead. Just don't expect to get healthcare for free/low cost if you commit risky behaviors like smoking, drinking, having unprotected sex and as a result of them get some debilitating or possibly terminal illness. (That goes for: injecting illegal drugs w/dirty needles, having a car crash while talking on your cell phone, wanting health care for injuries sustained in "extreme sports", etc. You take the risk, you REALLY take the risk.)

3) State religion: hell no. Let each person decide what to worship, or whether to worship at all. State execution: not necessary. But if we put someone away for life, then we might as well get some useful service out of them -- building roads, planting/picking crops -- not just working out. watching cable and leeching off society. Pay 'em in privileges for their work -- but make 'em work.

Free education for everyone, as high as they'd care to go, so long as they maintain a minimum average.

Vocational training for those who don't want/can't maintain educational training, so that everyone can have a decent living wage by being trained for what he/she is best at.

Beautiful, Kat. I could not hope for a better government.

FIRE THE MUDSERS AT WILL!!!!

*Will gets completely muddied, head to toe, and in places mud was NEVER supposed to be*

Mud belongs everywhere. :)

The mental image of muddy ageing Captain Kirk and Lt Uhura ... *shudders*

*imagines Seven of Nine and T'Pol mud wrestling*

mmmm....

*imagines Seven of Nine and T'Pol mud wrestling*

mmmm....Good heavens, no. Kes and Hoshi. 7o9 and T'Pol's faces just don't match up to their bodies... They look too harsh for my taste.

Good heavens, no. Kes and Hoshi. 7o9 and T'Pol's faces just don't match up to their bodies... They look too harsh for my taste.

Touche'

:)

Touche'

:)Damnit. Due to my fanatical hatred of sigs, I can't sig this! :(

I'm not sure what my ideal society would look like, because if I lived in such a society, I would interact with it as little as possible.

What are elements of the ideal society in which you would want to live?

Radical decentralized democracy, communism, sexual equality....

would you want to pay taxes?

No, but if the specifics of the economic arrangement made it socially beneficial, I'd support doing so anyway.

would you want weed, alcohol and hookers to be cheap and easy to get?

Marijuana would be cheap and easy to get, but under government regulation. While I'm not in favor of banning alcohol or prostitution, if both disappeared from our culture I wouldn't complain.

would you like there to be state religion or state executions?

No state religion, but a public investment would be made into challenging sexism and homophobia, even if it involved attacking some people's religious beliefs.

There would be no death penalty.

on a side note, its your nationstate state anything like your ideal society?

Yes.

This thread is now about Star Trek chicks.

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I don't like 'em...

That being said, ones ideal society is entirely dependent on one position in society.

Undoubtedly it is influenced by that... but "entirely dependent"? Really?

I think it's perfectly possible, if sometimes difficult, to consider the question of the ideal society from a public perspective taking into account the interests of all.

A hyper-advanced technocracy (the bureaucratic kind, not the Technocratic movement). Pretty much anything and everything people could want would be available in some way or another, and the sheer economic effects of the technology would mitigate much of the need for taxes and a central government.

It would not be like my Nationstate Government, the choices I make there don't have the consequences I would think they should have. The choices are never really ideal anyway, I sometimes have to dissmiss because I could never pick any of them.

If I could make my own, it would be somewhat Authoritarian, although im not sure to what extent. If there was an internal or external threat that warranted action, more Authoritarian, if not, less.

Undoubtedly it is influenced by that... but "entirely dependent"? Really?

I think it's perfectly possible, if sometimes difficult, to consider the question of the ideal society from a public perspective taking into account the interests of all.

I believe that you give the average person too much credit for selflessness. Then again, I almost certainly give too little credit. Therefore, I should have said "almost entirely dependent".

A completly miniarchist state, with at least 13 country spanning companies each competing for our hard earned cash, plus hundreds of smaller companies, and millions of local ones. The population would be about 2 billion and have a sheild protecting all weaponry from coming in or out. Oh, and no commies. Or drunk commies. And a magical force preventing government from growing. You can't say thats not perfection!

I believe that you give the average person too much credit for selflessness.

"What is" and "what is possible" are different categories.

Most people's conception of an ideal society are highly influenced by their position in society. It does not follow that this is a necessary truth, that their conception is "entirely dependent" on that.

Drugs legal but strictly regulated. Only allowed to sell by the government. Some drugs can only be taken in places with monitoring by health workers. Others can only be taken in private, and the least dangerous ones will be treated like alcohol (but maybe with different age limits). The age limits and the category a drug will belong to will be judged by people who know about this kind of stuff and not by politicians, based on how dangerous it is for the user and possible effects on society.
Prostitution and gambling will be legal in designated area's, and also strictly regulated (high health standards etc)

First line health care will be free, Specialists if possible financially. For each active substance in medicaments, only the cheapest will be refunded to the patients, companies will be allowed to compete over contracts. Anyway, I think I would just copy New Zealand's system tbh, it seems quite good from here (although I don't know how it works in practice of course). Oh, and no refunds for "pseudo-medicine", evidence based medicine will be the norm. The public will also be encouraged (and informed how) to live healthy.

Gays will be allowed to marry (although maybe the state shouldn't have a say in marriage and just have some civil union for both homo and heterosexual couples, but that's purely cosmetic) and adopt.

Strict separation of state and church. No financial benefits for religions (except maybe for maintaining the church buildings, but those are just details). No discrimination against it either.

Free education until highschool. People will have to pay something for university but there will be enough help for the poor. The course "Religion" will be replaced by something useful, students will still learn about the main religions from a neutral point of view in other classes. (maybe replace it with philosophy or something).

Public transit will be free and encouraged and good.

Military will be focused on humanitarian tasks.

I wanted to say some things, but it's late and I'm going to sleep, it's not like anyone will actually read trough all this anyway.

My NSN is'nt really my ideal world, for instance no one person would have so much power.
It's really an exaggerated Über Liberal version of my ideal world, which considering I'm highly Liberal (American kind) as it is, that says something.


Anyways, my ideal society;

ECONOMY:
Money does not exist, people work to better themselves and humanity as a whole.

TECHNOLOGY:
Technological advancements are not suppressed for any reason, but embraces and used to their fullest potential. However technology that infringes on peoples rights, like spy technology is regulated.

SCIENCE:
Science like technology is not suppressed or manipulated, new scientific theories that don't fit in with current science theory are not looked on as implausible and criticized, but looked on as possible advancements and tested to the fullest possible extent.

RELIGION:
People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they do not force it on other people, there is no such thing as organized religion, it is a personal thing.

SOCIETY:
Discrimination does not exist, people are accepted by everyone else regardless of religion, skin color, gender, sexual preference, personal beliefs etc.

WEAPONS:
People are free to own any kind of weapons apart from chemical, nuclear, anti-matter and anything even more destructive. There is regulation and licensing of weapons to prevent those who should'nt have them (like psychopaths) from having them.

ENVIRONMENT:
Technology that pollutes the environment is altered to do it's job without harming the environment. The energy needs of the planet are fed by green, renewable energy production technology/techniques. Everything that is recyclable is recycled, and everyone recycles. The disposal of non-recyclable waste does not hurt the environment, or cause large unseemly dump sites.

GOVERNMENT:
Nations no longer exist, the world (and possibly beyond) has a single Federal government, with quasi Direct Democracy and term limits. The Executive is comprised of an Executive Council of five individuals, elected separately, but at the same time.

MILITARY:
There is a strong, but small to medium sized military.

EDUCATION:
All people receive a thorough and free (and mandatory) education from the ages of 5-20 on history, science, math, politics, and English (as in the literary kind, not the language), as well as three years of another language, the arts and physical fitness, with several elective classes. Further education beyond that point is voluntary, but just as thorough and free.

CAREERS:
People choose what they want to do in life, and than go to educational facilities specific in that field.

ETHICS: Ethics are based on the ideas of total (social) freedom so long as one does not directly and non-consensually interfere with those of another, democracy or consensus are the only acceptable forms of government, equality for all.

They have that. It's called Europe. :p

Europe is too left economically for me, with their socialist parties and 35 hour work weeks.

My NSN is'nt really my ideal world, for instance no one person would have so much power.
It's really an exaggerated Über Liberal version of my ideal world, which considering I'm highly Liberal (American kind) as it is, that says something.


Anyways, my ideal society;

ECONOMY:
Money does not exist, people work to better themselves and humanity as a whole.

TECHNOLOGY:
Technological advancements are not suppressed for any reason, but embraces and used to their fullest potential. However technology that infringes on peoples rights, like spy technology is regulated.

SCIENCE:
Science like technology is not suppressed or manipulated, new scientific theories that don't fit in with current science theory are not looked on as implausible and criticized, but looked on as possible advancements and tested to the fullest possible extent.

RELIGION:
People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they do not force it on other people, there is no such thing as organized religion, it is a personal thing.

SOCIETY:
Discrimination does not exist, people are accepted by everyone else regardless of religion, skin color, gender, sexual preference, personal beliefs etc.

WEAPONS:
People are free to own any kind of weapons apart from chemical, nuclear, anti-matter and anything even more destructive. There is regulation and licensing of weapons to prevent those who should'nt have them (like psychopaths) from having them.

ENVIRONMENT:
Technology that pollutes the environment is altered to do it's job without harming the environment. The energy needs of the planet are fed by green, renewable energy production technology/techniques. Everything that is recyclable is recycled, and everyone recycles. The disposal of non-recyclable waste does not hurt the environment, or cause large unseemly dump sites.

GOVERNMENT:
Nations no longer exist, the world (and possibly beyond) has a single Federal government, with quasi Direct Democracy and term limits. The Executive is comprised of an Executive Council of five individuals, elected separately, but at the same time.

MILITARY:
There is a strong, but small to medium sized military.

EDUCATION:
All people receive a thorough and free (and mandatory) education from the ages of 5-20 on history, science, math, politics, and English (as in the literary kind, not the language), as well as three years of another language, the arts and physical fitness, with several elective classes. Further education beyond that point is voluntary, but just as thorough and free.

CAREERS:
People choose what they want to do in life, and than go to educational facilities specific in that field.

ETHICS: Ethics are based on the ideas of total (social) freedom so long as one does not directly and non-consensually interfere with those of another, democracy or consensus are the only acceptable forms of government, equality for all.

What if some insane nut-job DOES NOT recycle, will you send him or her to a "reeducation camp"?

This is earth, to ask me my ideal society, is like asking me what nothingness feels like, i don't know because i've never experienced it.
But i could manage in one of the above mentioned societies, they sound okay but none can be my ideal, because it's impossible.

If you really pressed me for an answer i'd say okay then, one where you can do as you wish and can't suffer consequences for anyone elses actions, like that Red Dwarf episode where they end up on that penal colony ship "justice" i think, where any action you make against another person is automatically done to you, e.g. set fire to someones bed, and your clothes catch fire. lol

What if some insane nut-job DOES NOT recycle, will you send him or her to a "reeducation camp"?

The question was what would ones ideal society be, I am simply saying what I'd like society to be, not what I want to forcibly change society into.