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Has anyone one else seen them and what do ya think of it??

Personally I think it frickin rocks

Yes, it is very good.

Aren't they making another series in 2009, or something?

I love it :)

It's a lot of fun!

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Has anyone one else seen them and what do ya think of it??
Cowboys = Cool.

Space = Cool.

Cowboys in Space = Excellent!

Cowboys = Cool.

Space = Cool.

Cowboys in Space = Excellent!
Cowboy Bebop did it. [/southpark]

It was great. I was sorry to see it end but the ratings just didn't hack it. :(

Has anyone one else seen them and what do ya think of it??

Personally I think it frickin rocks

second that, they should have continued

Cowboy Bebop did it. [/southpark]

but you'll note that the cool characters in that were not the ones dressed in cowboy gear, typically.

It was great. I was sorry to see it end but the ratings just didn't hack it. :(

I wish that had been the problem. They cancelled the show before the ratings for the first episode had actually come in.

The network fucked over the show in just about every way possible, then threw it in the trash. Yet another victory for ass-breathing seizure-monkey "TV Executives".

They're both amazing. Anybody else here get a chance to read the graphic novels?

Meanwhile shlock like "My Super Sweet Sixteen" rules the airwaves...

/sigh

:headbang:

I loved the series.

The movie was pretty good, but some of it felt like a rehash -- I mean the whole Jayne-tries-to-get-rid-of-River thing was done before in the series... and had pretty much the same result of him getting his ass handed to him.

The series/movie made up for that overrated pile of horseshit known as Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Joss Whedon is the Aaron Sorkin of sci-fi fantasy.

I had never seen the series until I rented the movie, then had to go back and rent the series.

I loved it. And it suffered the fate of so many entertaining, well thought out, well written shows... that is an untimely demise before it could find its audience. Because we MUST have room for more reality tv instead! Sigh.

I'll disagree, Intangleon, with a caveat: I thought the first few seasons were entertaining.

I also think the damned thing went on far too long and jumped the shark with the "Angel becomes a murderous psychopath because of his forbidden love affair with the Slayer".

I never thought much of the Angel spin-off, and only thought the one scene where the character of Spike mocks him from an adjoining rooftop was worth watching.

And the ending to the Buffy series, that EVERY GIRL in the world has the potential to be a Slayer: lame.

I'll disagree, Intangleon, with a caveat: I thought the first few seasons were entertaining.

I also think the damned thing went on far too long and jumped the shark with the "Angel becomes a murderous psychopath because of his forbidden love affair with the Slayer".

I never thought much of the Angel spin-off, and only thought the one scene where the character of Spike mocks him from an adjoining rooftop was worth watching.

And the ending to the Buffy series, that EVERY GIRL in the world has the potential to be a Slayer: lame.

Fair enough.

My problem lay not really the writing so much as the acting. Sarah Michelle Gellar, despite her pinup status, has a very small range, limited to bemused irony and looking pretty while pouting either sulkily or angrily. Allyson Hannigan is just plain annoying. If I were to see the show with a different cast or read the scripts, I'd likely agree with you.

Firefly rocks, and what Fox did to it was a tragedy. There should definitely have been more episodes. Serenity was a little confusing for those people who never saw the series, which probably helps account for its below-expected performance and some unfair reviews, but it was great. I have a habit of falling for doomed sci-fi franchises - I love Farscape as well, and like Farscape's Peacekeeper Wars, Serenity was a great testament to the persistence of the fans.

Fair enough.

My problem lay not really the writing so much as the acting. Sarah Michelle Gellar, despite her pinup status, has a very small range, limited to bemused irony and looking pretty while pouting either sulkily or angrily. Allyson Hannigan is just plain annoying. If I were to see the show with a different cast or read the scripts, I'd likely agree with you.

True the actors sucked horrendously and the only one with any reasonable range was Anthony Stewart Head and, later, James Marsters. However some episodes were incredibly good despite themselves, namely "Once More With Feeling" and "Beneath You".

Mainly because of Marsters

Firefly rocks, and what Fox did to it was a tragedy.
FOX ruined every show they had in the 90s.

And Farscape was kickass.

They're both amazing. Anybody else here get a chance to read the graphic novels?Is "Better Days" out yet? I've only read "Those Left Behind" so far...

I wish that had been the problem. They cancelled the show before the ratings for the first episode had actually come in.



That may have something to do with them not showing the first episode untill AFTER they had canceled the series. A word of advice to people who have only seen the series on FOX, buy/rent the DVD's and watch the show in the order it was SUPOSED to air - including the episodes FOX just plain cut.

Is "Better Days" out yet? I've only read "Those Left Behind" so far...

I don't think so, but I wasn't sure. I was hoping someone here would know.

I've only read "Those Left Behind" as well.

Who was ye're favourite character.Mine is either one of the tam's

My bro showed me "the train job" on christmas day and later serenity.Then a week later I saw the whole series.




I never saw angel or buffy so I cant talk about those lol

My favorite character was Shepherd Book, by far.

I don't think so, but I wasn't sure. I was hoping someone here would know.

I've only read "Those Left Behind" as well.Dang. The "s" at the end of "graphic novels" had me hoping for a second...
I was a bit disappointed that it was so short, though.

My favorite character was Shepherd Book, by far.Wash! Alan Tudyk is just amazing, especially when he starts off by playing with those dinosaurs. :D

Dang. The "s" at the end of "graphic novels" had me hoping for a second...
I was a bit disappointed that it was so short, though.

Wash! Alan Tudyk is just amazing, especially when he starts off by playing with those dinosaurs. :D

Curse your surprising but inevitable betrayal!

Actually, while Shepherd Book was my favorite character, the bit with the dinosaurs was definitely my favorite scene.

Curse your surprising but inevitable betrayal!

Actually, while Shepherd Book was my favorite character, the bit with the dinosaurs was definitely my favorite scene.Apparently not :rolleyes:

It's "sudden" not "surprising", dammit! :p

But have you seen the commentary on the show? Apparently Tudyk came up with that dialogue on the spot on his audition.

Apparently not :rolleyes:

It's "sudden" not "surprising", dammit! :p

But have you seen the commentary on the show? Apparently Tudyk came up with that dialogue on the spot on his audition.

"Sudden" not "surprising"? Well that's not as funny then. I shall have to pick a new favorite scene. :p

Yeah, my roommate Netflix'd the series and we watched a bit of it with the commentary, but that was about six months ago.

It would make sense that he came up with it on the spot. That's probably why it rings so true to the character of someone who spontaneously breaks out dinosaur action figures in the cockpit of their spaceship.

"Sudden" not "surprising"? Well that's not as funny then. I shall have to pick a new favorite scene. :p

Yeah, my roommate Netflix'd the series and we watched a bit of it with the commentary, but that was about six months ago.

It would make sense that he came up with it on the spot. That's probably why it rings so true to the character of someone who spontaneously breaks out dinosaur action figures in the cockpit of their spaceship.I was watching them on a site that no longer exists and felt prompted to buy the DVDs. I'm glad I didn't go see Serenity when it came out, since I now had the opportunity to see the series first.

"Sudden" not "surprising"? Well that's not as funny then. I shall have to pick a new favorite scene. :p

Yeah, my roommate Netflix'd the series and we watched a bit of it with the commentary, but that was about six months ago.

It would make sense that he came up with it on the spot. That's probably why it rings so true to the character of someone who spontaneously breaks out dinosaur action figures in the cockpit of their spaceship.

Jaynestown where Book has his hair out and River absolutely freaks upon seeing it. That was hilarious.

I was watching them on a site that no longer exists and felt prompted to buy the DVDs. I'm glad I didn't go see Serenity when it came out, since I now had the opportunity to see the series first.

Yeah, it makes a lot more sense to see the series first. I doubt I would have understood the movie had I not at least seen the characters before.

Jaynestown where Book has his hair out and River absolutely freaks upon seeing it. That was hilarious.

I thought the whole concept of Jaynestown was pretty freakin hilarious. But yeah, that was cool.

I guess my favorite character, actually, was River -- because you never knew whether you were going to get scared little kid or cuisinart.

But Jayne sure was fun to watch.

Firefly/Serenity kicks ass.

Buffy/Angel? More along the lines of what emerges. While I too blame the actors on Buffy (with exceptions made for Boreanaz, since Bones is decent enough), I must also question the writing.

But Jayne sure was fun to watch."Yeah, someone could be hurt." :p

Has anyone one else seen them and what do ya think of it??

Personally I think it frickin rocks

I'd have to say that when it comes to making the world a worse place the biggest jewel in Rupert Murdoch's crown is FOX news. Fox cancelling Firefly is a very close second. And yes, I'm aware that this makes it a bigger deal than turning the Times of London into a tabloid.

I thought the whole concept of Jaynestown was pretty freakin hilarious. But yeah, that was cool.

"This must be what going mad feels like."
(later)
"No... *this* must be what going mad feels like."


God, easily one of my favourite episodes. :p

I'm a Browncoat, no two ways about it. My best friend and I get together and watch the entire series over the course of a couple days every six months or so. So far, it hasn't gotten old.

Plus, she just bought me the entire series for Christmas. :p Best Christmas present *ever*.

Chez what?
<.<
>.>

"Sudden" not "surprising"? Well that's not as funny then. I shall have to pick a new favorite scene. :p

"Psychic though? That sounds like something out of science-fiction"
"We live in a spaceship dear"
"So?"

Mal: "So, she's added cussing and hurling about of things to her repertoire. She really is a prodigy."

Simon: "It's just a bad day."

Mal: "No, a bad day is when someone's yellin' spooks the cattle. Understand? You ever see cattle stampede when they got no place to run? It's kind of like a...a meat grinder. And it'll lose us half the herd."

Simon: "She hasn't gone anywhere near the cattle."

Mal: "No, but in case you hadn't noticed, her voice kinda carries. We're two miles above ground and they can probably hear her down there. Soon as we unload, she can holler until our ears bleed." (to River) "Although I would take it as a kindness if she didn't."

River: "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems."

Mal: (to Simon) "See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like."


I didn't know about the series until after I saw Serenity, became thoroughly confused, then researched as to why it was so confusing...borrowed the series on DVD from a friend of mine, loved it, and went out to buy it for myself. Now I own the series and movie.

And did someone say they're possibly restarting the series again?! *hopeful look* So long as it is just as good, if not better...

And did someone say they're possibly restarting the series again?! *hopeful look* So long as it is just as good, if not better...

A second movie is more likely (although I as one of the people that petitioned for a straight-to-DVD series... I think they ran that petition on Browncoats.com... it was a while back). I'm not sure - but isn't there some loophole that stops a series-made-into-a-movie being transferred back to the small screen?

Apparently, some movie sites have been touting a second movie:

"Tudyk says the newly-released “Serenity : Special Edition“ DVD has been selling so hot, that there’s talk in doing another movie. “They had to put [the new DVD] out because they’ve been selling out of the other one [the DVD that isn't the 'Collectors Edition'] and so Universal’s like ‘So, let’s do another one’", he says, adding "And now… there’s now a chance there’s going to be another movie”. Tudyk agrees that even if it was a direct-to-DVD movie, it’d still be worthwhile. Especially since the whole DVD sequel is a big trend. “It really is”, says Tudyk. “Everybody in the Firefly crew – and that includes the ones who died in the movie – are excited about the prospect of doing another"."

http://www.moviehole.net/news/20071004_serenity_2_a_new_hope.html

One reason it failed, aside from Fox never giving it a chance (showing episodes out of order and not showing 3 even though 1 of the not shown was referenced in the last episode), was that a lot of people thought that a sci-fi western was forcing 2 very different genres together and couldn't understand why you'd need horses on a newly teraformed planet. Think about it, only 1 small city on the entire planet, no gas stations, no refineries, no wells or mines. It makes perfect sense to have flying cars on the coreworlds because they were developed first and get the most attention but out on the rim people will be poor and might prefer a loose confederation of worlds to a stronger centrally controlled federal government.

The show had some of the best writing of recent TV and is one of the few good shows that has been on in the last 10 years. It was a shame that it never got the chance to prove itself to more people.

One reason it failed, aside from Fox never giving it a chance (showing episodes out of order and not showing 3 even though 1 of the not shown was referenced in the last episode), was that a lot of people thought that a sci-fi western was forcing 2 very different genres together and couldn't understand why you'd need horses on a newly teraformed planet. Think about it, only 1 small city on the entire planet, no gas stations, no refineries, no wells or mines. It makes perfect sense to have flying cars on the coreworlds because they were developed first and get the most attention but out on the rim people will be poor and might prefer a loose confederation of worlds to a stronger centrally controlled federal government.

The show had some of the best writing of recent TV and is one of the few good shows that has been on in the last 10 years. It was a shame that it never got the chance to prove itself to more people.

It's an interesting observation about the horses, but that's a small issue overall. I happen to think that the whole merging of two genres worked quite well in this. Kudos to Whedon for that success.

As for the show not proving itself...it DID come out with a movie as a result of a huge fan-based uprising in support of the show, something that really hadn't been seen before, not in the way it happened with this show.

Now all we gotta do is have another uprising, this time to get them to do another series...

A quote from the movie would fit this:


Operative: "Do you really believe that?"

Mal: "I do."

Operative: "You willing to die for that belief?"

Mal: "I am." (pulls out his gun and shoots at the Operative repeatedly) "Course, that ain't exactly Plan A."

Mal is my favorite character. One minute he's making some kind of smart ass comment the next he's shooting from the hip.. kinda like Han Solo with a 6 gun :). Jayne kicks ass too:

Mal: I only want you too scare him!
Jayne: But pain IS scary...

One of my friends has recently JUST and I mean by JUST that it was less than a week ago introduced me to Firefly... I watched Serenity for the first time on Friday night and I like the whole series. If there is a petition for a second series then by all means sign me up!

I'm sure that if approached with the concept Sci-Fi would snatch up a new Firefly series in a heartbeat, they need quality programming...

Ive seen the movie, but never the series.
Frankly, It didn't live up to the hype.

Dont get me wrong, it was okay, but nothing about it was original.
The "roving band of misfits in a spaceship" isnt new, in fact its been done to death.

It was a decent way to kill a couple hours, but I just didnt see much of anything that would make me want to follow a series.

Ive seen the movie, but never the series.
Frankly, It didn't live up to the hype.

Dont get me wrong, it was okay, but nothing about it was original.
The "roving band of misfits in a spaceship" isnt new, in fact its been done to death.

It was a decent way to kill a couple hours, but I just didnt see much of anything that would make me want to follow a series.

Watch the series. seriously. Waaay better than the movie!

It remains the one and only tv program I have bought a box set of.

Wash was cool. What they did to him in the movie was EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL.

Watch the series. seriously. Waaay better than the movie!

It remains the one and only tv program I have bought a box set of.

Wash was cool. What they did to him in the movie was EEEEEEEEEEEEVIL.

Im guessing its one of those shows thats always better in the series.
Several NSG posters made claims it was "better than star wars".

Not even close.

I would give the movie a c+. It was entertaining, but not terribly original.

Im guessing its one of those shows thats always better in the series.
Several NSG posters made claims it was "better than star wars".

Not even close.

I would give the movie a c+. It was entertaining, but not terribly original.

Ugh. Pains the heart.

Seriously - the series is way, way better. *Way* better. Please give it a try.

I love when mal says to jayne "do you want to run this ship!?!"

Jayne"Yeah"

Mal"...well..you cant!!"

that was so funny.

I think it beats star wars actually.........

Im guessing its one of those shows thats always better in the series.
Several NSG posters made claims it was "better than star wars".

Not even close.

I would give the movie a c+. It was entertaining, but not terribly original.
I know that the Jedi will have my ass for this, but honestly I think there's no comparison...Firefly is hands down better than all the Star Wars movies put together. The writing is superior by about a million percent, the universe is infinitely more creative and original, the characters are more compelling and the actors far more accomplished, and the plot lines actually managed to surprised me several times (and I'm a jaded sci fi reader!).

Star Wars is great and all, but Firefly totally blows it out of the water.

The writing is superior by about a million percent... the characters are more compelling and the actors far more accomplished...

Amen on those two points. The writing, in particular, I cannot praise enough. A million percent just about covers it.

Seriously, though, if you watch Serenity without watching the series, you won't get much from it. The Mal/Inara storyline alone, just to name one thing, is *completely* lost without the series to fill you in on their history. Wash can't be appreciated nearly enough in just the movie. It just... no, it's really something you have to watch as a conclusion to the series as it stands right now.

"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar." :(


*Cries*

It has alot of savage quotes, doesnt it?

"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar." What does that mean, anyway?!

The Mal/Inara storyline alone, just to name one thing, is *completely* lost without the series to fill you in on their history.
To be honest, that's one thing I don't mind at all. I think Inara's character would have been far, far more interesting if played by a male. As it is, it's just the boring virgin/whore debate thing and Mal's character becomes less interesting to me every time he gets mopey about that whole thing. The only good thing about their relationship is how the rest of the crew makes fun of it (and them). I was worried that the movie would play on their little high school romance too much and was relieved when it didn't.

"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar." :(


*Cries*
Seriously, if I ever meet The Almighty Creator of a Universe Far Better Than Our Own, Joss Whedon, I'm gonna shake his hand for being a genius, then slap his face for what he did to Wash.

Bastard.

Seriously, if I ever meet Josh Whedon I'm gonna shake his hand for being a genius, then slap his face for what he did to Wash.

Bastard."Josh" Whedon? :p

He'll probably smile, considering that that'll show him that Wash's death was more meaningful than if some random character had died.

"Josh" Whedon? :p

Lol, in my defense I was chatting on IM with my friend Josh when I posted that. I shall edit to reflect the proper worship for Mr. Whedon.


He'll probably smile, considering that that'll show him that Wash's death was more meaningful than if some random character had died.
It's true. I think I realized how much I loved that series when Wash died, because I actually cared. After seeing the movie I immediately went home and watched the series because that way Wash wouldn't be dead any more. :P

"Josh" Whedon? :p

He'll probably smile, considering that that'll show him that Wash's death was more meaningful than if some random character had died.
Kirk: "Ok, it looks like we need to go down to the surface to explore. Mr Spok, Sulu, and Ensign... uh.. whatever your name is."
Ensign: "Jameson."
Kirk: "Yes, Jameson, you're with us."
Ensign Jameson: "Fuck."

Who was ye're favourite character.Mine is either one of the tam's

Jayne

I'll disagree, Intangleon, with a caveat: I thought the first few seasons were entertaining.

I also think the damned thing went on far too long and jumped the shark with the "Angel becomes a murderous psychopath because of his forbidden love affair with the Slayer".

I never thought much of the Angel spin-off, and only thought the one scene where the character of Spike mocks him from an adjoining rooftop was worth watching.

And the ending to the Buffy series, that EVERY GIRL in the world has the potential to be a Slayer: lame.

If you're going to object to the ending please be accurate when you do so. It was not that every girl had slayer potential, it was that every girl WHO DID became a fully empowered slayer.

Mal: "Do you want to run this ship?!"
Jayne: "Yes!"
Mal: "Well...you can't."

Firefly is probably one of the best sci-fi series ever made and Serenity one of the best sci-fi movies ever made. Ever.

It's true. I think I realized how much I loved that series when Wash died, because I actually cared. After seeing the movie I immediately went home and watched the series because that way Wash wouldn't be dead any more. :PWinner of thread.

Im guessing its one of those shows thats always better in the series.
Several NSG posters made claims it was "better than star wars".

Not even close.

I would give the movie a c+. It was entertaining, but not terribly original.

I agree. I'd give the movie a C+.... maybe. Horribly derivative, fiercely predictable, requiring a degree of suspension of disbelief impossible for a six year old...

Seriously... if you can't put the shields on the ship, kill the fucking teddy bears and nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure. See them bastards sneak up on the bunker, then...

Oh... what... you meant Serenity? For real?

To be honest, that's one thing I don't mind at all. I think Inara's character would have been far, far more interesting if played by a male. As it is, it's just the boring virgin/whore debate thing and Mal's character becomes less interesting to me every time he gets mopey about that whole thing. The only good thing about their relationship is how the rest of the crew makes fun of it (and them). I was worried that the movie would play on their little high school romance too much and was relieved when it didn't.

But... Jayne having to repeatedly nip off to his bunk is pretty amusing....

I agree. I'd give the movie a C+.... maybe. Horribly derivative, fiercely predictable, requiring a degree of suspension of disbelief impossible for a six year old...

Seriously... if you can't put the shields on the ship, kill the fucking teddy bears and nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure. See them bastards sneak up on the bunker, then...

:D

If you're going to object to the ending please be accurate when you do so. It was not that every girl had slayer potential, it was that every girl WHO DID became a fully empowered slayer.

Which is consistent... there have always been 'slayers-in-waiting', just waiting for each slayer to pop her clogs. Buffy actually gets 'replaced ' even before the end of season one.

But... Jayne having to repeatedly nip off to his bunk is pretty amusing....
Wouldn't stop being amusing if Inara were a male character. :D

My favorite character was Shepherd Book, by far.
I like Kaylee.

[SPOILER INC]

Particularly when they're in the climactic gun fight and it looks like they're all going to die:

Dr. Simon Tam: In all that time on the ship... I've always regretted... not being with you.
Kaylee Frye: With me? You mean to say... as in sex?
Dr. Simon Tam: I mean to say.
Kaylee Frye: To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!

I like Kaylee.

[SPOILER INC]

Particularly when they're in the climactic gun fight and it looks like they're all going to die:

Dr. Simon Tam: In all that time on the ship... I've always regretted... not being with you.
Kaylee Frye: With me? You mean to say... as in sex?
Dr. Simon Tam: I mean to say.
Kaylee Frye: To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!


I like how Kaylee really doesn't give a damn.

Kaylee: "It's been ages since I've had anything betwixt my nethers that doesn't run on batteries."
Mal: "I cannot know that!"
Jayne: " I could stand to hear a little more..."

It was alright, both the film and the series, nowt special, but okay.

I watched the film before the series, but I also watched the film whilst vair, vair drunk. So it didn't make sense, but nor do I remember it.

Seriously, if I ever meet The Almighty Creator of a Universe Far Better Than Our Own, Joss Whedon, I'm gonna shake his hand for being a genius, then slap his face for what he did to Wash.

Bastard.

:fluffle:

My thoughts exactly. He did a damn fine job together with the always talented Alan Tudyk to make us care about Wash - and by removing him in such a horrible and rather unheroic manner, he made us feel the loss. And he made it feel real, not like your typical Hollywood death.

And it made the ending of the movie very interesting, because if he could take out Wash like that, he could take out anyone... Without mercy.

Sheer horrible brilliance.

I have the special DVD one when they interviewed joss I thought he was a bit of a plank, but still he created the series so....

I like Kaylee.

[SPOILER INC]

Particularly when they're in the climactic gun fight and it looks like they're all going to die:

Dr. Simon Tam: In all that time on the ship... I've always regretted... not being with you.
Kaylee Frye: With me? You mean to say... as in sex?
Dr. Simon Tam: I mean to say.
Kaylee Frye: To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!Actually, that's one of my least favorite parts of the movie. It seemed such a B-movie conclusion to the ongoing tension between Simon and Kaylee.

"I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar." :(


*Cries*

*joins the crying*

Before I watched "Serenity," I had been told that at least one crew member was going to die, and I thought it over at length, and came up with acceptable ways in which every one of them could die....except Wash. I couldn't come up with any version of Wash's death that wouldn't just be horribly, brutally tragic.

Then I saw the movie, and cursed Joss Whedon rather a lot.

Oh, and as for favorite scenes/moments/episodes from the series, I dearly love basically every second of "War Stories." I also laugh uncontrollably at the sequence in "Bushwhacked" where all the crew members are being interviewed; Alan Tudyk's improvised raving about Zoe's legs gets me every time. :p

It was good, but I think it could've done with more sci-fi elements, including some exploration of what was done to River.

And it made the ending of the movie very interesting, because if he could take out Wash like that, he could take out anyone... Without mercy.

Sheer horrible brilliance.

Joss' M.O., if you watched Buffy is pretty apparent. He makes you care about a character, usually lets something nice happen to them, then kills 'em.

Actually, that's one of my least favorite parts of the movie. It seemed such a B-movie conclusion to the ongoing tension between Simon and Kaylee.
Wow, and I felt the opposite. I was delighted to see a female character be unashamedly psyched about getting laid, without getting all sappy and weepy. Kaylee is a fun character to me because she's sweet and kind and not a warrior, but she's also not a wussy feminine stereotype. I loved her response because I felt like it was just right for her character, and because I knew that pretty much any other writer would have borked it up.

Wow, and I felt the opposite. I was delighted to see a female character be unashamedly psyched about getting laid, without getting all sappy and weepy. Kaylee is a fun character to me because she's sweet and kind and not a warrior, but she's also not a wussy feminine stereotype. I loved her response because I felt like it was just right for her character, and because I knew that pretty much any other writer would have borked it up.

To me the line just seemed out of place with the feel of the movie. But that's just me.

I do agree that Kaylee is probably my favorite character out of the crew, though.

Wow, and I felt the opposite. I was delighted to see a female character be unashamedly psyched about getting laid, without getting all sappy and weepy. Kaylee is a fun character to me because she's sweet and kind and not a warrior, but she's also not a wussy feminine stereotype. I loved her response because I felt like it was just right for her character, and because I knew that pretty much any other writer would have borked it up.

...which reminds me that the first time Mal meets Kaylee should also really be included in any list of great Firefly scenes. :)

To me the line just seemed out of place with the feel of the movie. But that's just me.

I suppose I can't really judge that, because I'd been such a fan of the show that I couldn't judge the tone of the movie by itself. For me it was a continuation of the story and characters I already knew, and the line fit with Kaylee's character, so it seemed to fit. But you very well could be right about it not fitting the movie itself.


I do agree that Kaylee is probably my favorite character out of the crew, though.
I also have to say that I like Jayne. He's so one-dimensional...yet he was so consistently funny. Maybe if the show had gone on longer it would have gotten old, but that didn't happen for me with the existing material.

...which reminds me that the first time Mal meets Kaylee should also really be included in any list of great Firefly scenes. :)
Hahaha, yeah, I loved that. She's so darn cute, even when she's inspecting an engine while doing the "walk of shame."

I also have to say that I like Jayne. He's so one-dimensional...yet he was so consistently funny. Maybe if the show had gone on longer it would have gotten old, but that didn't happen for me with the existing material.

That's the thing, Jayne is not one dimentional. Rather he is the type of person who, as a character, a fighter, and someone who measures success by strength, to be outwardly one dimentional.

There is a difference between a character who is one dimentional, and a character who, were he a real person, you would understand why he would appear one dimentional to those around him.

The first is simply poor writing, the second requires actual effort. It's a fine line between "a one dimentional character" and a character, fully fleshed, who has as one of his character traits, the appearance of one dimentionality.

They did a very good job with Jayne, in my opinion, of doing the second. He was not merely a "one dimentional character", but a character who you understood well enough to understand why he acted that way.

Hahaha, yeah, I loved that. She's so darn cute, even when she's inspecting an engine while doing the "walk of shame."

Indeed!

Wash will always be my favorite character, but Kaylee is definitely a strong contender for second place.

Just for funzies I took this quiz: http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/serenity/

Turns out I'm 80% in line with Mal, 70% with Kaylee, then 50% each for Zoe and Wash. I am pleased.

I just finished watching Serenity for the umpteenth time and is it just me or does it get better every time you watch it?

It was alright, both the film and the series, nowt special, but okay.

I just loved the fact that space westerns have been around since the turn of the last century, and he finally took it literally.

I suppose I can't really judge that, because I'd been such a fan of the show that I couldn't judge the tone of the movie by itself. For me it was a continuation of the story and characters I already knew, and the line fit with Kaylee's character, so it seemed to fit. But you very well could be right about it not fitting the movie itself.

I laughed when I heard the line for the first time, but after that I was warring between characterization or cheap joke. To me it just seemed to come out of nowhere.


I also have to say that I like Jayne. He's so one-dimensional...yet he was so consistently funny. Maybe if the show had gone on longer it would have gotten old, but that didn't happen for me with the existing material.

I'm thinking it would've gotten old if there wasn't any other character development for him. I have no doubt there would've been, but otherwise he'd just be a wise-ass rough-and-tumble merc. I have to agree with Neo that, he's not one-dimensional, he just looks that way. If he were truly one-dimensional his act would've worn thin much faster.

Just for funzies I took this quiz: http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/serenity/

Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 65%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 60%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 50%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 45%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 45%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 40%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 35%
Derrial Book (Shepherd) 25%
Alliance 25%
Inara Serra (Companion) 20%
River (Stowaway) 15%

35% Reaver...I'm not sure whether to be pleased or scared...

Just for funzies I took this quiz: http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/serenity/

Turns out I'm 80% in line with Mal, 70% with Kaylee, then 50% each for Zoe and Wash. I am pleased.

You are Wash (Ship Pilot)
Wash (Ship Pilot) 65%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 65%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 60%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 55%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 45%

I'm surprised I must say

One reason it failed, aside from Fox never giving it a chance (showing episodes out of order and not showing 3 even though 1 of the not shown was referenced in the last episode), was that a lot of people thought that a sci-fi western was forcing 2 very different genres together...

That's absurd. Up until HP Lovecraft came along all science fiction was just rehashed westerns. Cattle trails became space shipping routes. Cattle rustlers became space pirates. Showdowns with six-shooters became six-shooters with rayguns.

For Christ's sake, they're called Space Westerns!

There the same damn genre. Especially now when both westerns and space operas are set in eras that never really happened. (yes, I'm aware that there was a rural west that co-existed with an urban east, but it wasn't like the Clint Eastwood movies.)

That's absurd. Up until HP Lovecraft came along all science fiction was just rehashed westerns. Cattle trails became space shipping routes. Cattle rustlers became space pirates. Showdowns with six-shooters became six-shooters with rayguns.

For Christ's sake, they're called Space Westerns!

There the same damn genre. Especially now when both westerns and space operas are set in eras that never really happened. (yes, I'm aware that there was a rural west that co-existed with an urban east, but it wasn't like the Clint Eastwood movies.)

Agreed, the primary contributor to Firefly's downfall was Fox. Everything else is secondary to that. Whether the show would've lasted given a proper timeslot and support, I won't say. Though Whedon has a pretty good track record for this sort of thing.

Agreed, the primary contributor to Firefly's downfall was Fox. Everything else is secondary to that. Whether the show would've lasted given a proper timeslot and support, I won't say. Though Whedon has a pretty good track record for this sort of thing.
I was a Joss fan back when Buffy first hit the scene, and I didn't even know that Firefly was airing until after it had been canceled. That's how bad a job Fox did of promoting it.

I was a Joss fan back when Buffy first hit the scene, and I didn't even know that Firefly was airing until after it had been canceled. That's how bad a job Fox did of promoting it.

I'm of the opinion that the only people that knew about Firefly when it was airing were Family Guy fans, because that was the only reason they'd actually be watching Fox at the time.

How many shows bit the dust in those years? They listed them all on the first return episode of Family Guy.

I'm of the opinion that the only people that knew about Firefly when it was airing were Family Guy fans, because that was the only reason they'd actually be watching Fox at the time.

How many shows bit the dust in those years? They listed them all on the first return episode of Family Guy.
Seriously! And some of them were actually good. Wonderfalls was way the hell better than the other crap Fox replaced it with.

Seriously! And some of them were actually good. Wonderfalls was way the hell better than the other crap Fox replaced it with.

Oh man. I always wondered what happened to that show. I definitely enjoyed it until it disappeared.

Seriously! And some of them were actually good. Wonderfalls was way the hell better than the other crap Fox replaced it with.

The saddest part: I think Dark Angel was the one that lasted the longest outside of Family Guy...

mmm Book I suppose because I occasionally read the bible and believe in god quite assuredly Im delighted I got simon and happy with the alliance result.Oh yeah love the link test!


Derrial Book (Shepherd)
75%

Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic)
70%

Malcolm Reynolds (Captain)
60%

Alliance
60%

Jayne Cobb (Mercenary)
50%

River (Stowaway)
50%

Wow, and I felt the opposite. I was delighted to see a female character be unashamedly psyched about getting laid, without getting all sappy and weepy. Kaylee is a fun character to me because she's sweet and kind and not a warrior, but she's also not a wussy feminine stereotype. I loved her response because I felt like it was just right for her character, and because I knew that pretty much any other writer would have borked it up.It didn't quite fit the character that was developed in the series. Somehow, a Kaylee that blushes when Jayne made that snarky comment about her "getting lubed up" didn't strike me as a Kaylee that would go ahead and say that. Plus, somehow the dialogue just doesn't feel right. Too sudden...meh. Hard to put my finger on why exactly I didn't like it.

To me the line just seemed out of place with the feel of the movie. But that's just me.No! It's me too! =D

It didn't quite fit the character that was developed in the series. Somehow, a Kaylee that blushes when Jayne made that snarky comment about her "getting lubed up" didn't strike me as a Kaylee that would go ahead and say that. Plus, somehow the dialogue just doesn't feel right. Too sudden...meh. Hard to put my finger on why exactly I didn't like it.

To me it just seemed like a masturbation joke and follow-up that just came from nowhere. Without having seen the series I can't comment on characterization too much.


No! It's me too! =D

Hush, we all know you're just my clone :D. Bloody things keep escaping the pen...

Derrial Book (Shepherd)
75%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic)
70%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain)
60%
Alliance
60%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary)
50%
River (Stowaway)
50%
Derrial Book (Shepherd)
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70%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary)
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65%
A Reaver (Cannibal)
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60%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic)
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40%
Alliance
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40%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command)
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30%
Wash (Ship Pilot)
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20%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic)
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10%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain)
Even though you are holy
you have a mysterious past.

Hush, we all know you're just my clone :D. Bloody things keep escaping the pen...I'll be having none of that from a > 1000 post NSG rookie (account) :p

I'll be having none of that from a > 1000 post NSG rookie (account) :p

Maybe I'm a revived account...

Maybe I'm a vet in disguise...

or maybe...

...I'm just bored and full of it ;)

I liked the masturbation jokes mostly especially the episode when inara brings the woman aboard...I cant remember the episode name:(

Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 75%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 75%
Derrial Book (Shepherd) 70%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 70%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 60%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 55%
River (Stowaway) 50%
Inara Serra (Companion) 45%
Alliance 25%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 20%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 20%

Oh, and Wonderfalls was indeed also an excellent show - as was Arrested Development. Fox really likes taking brilliant, original shows, underpromoting the hell out of them, moving them to fifteen different timeslots so fans never know when they're going to be on, and then killing them.

I liked the masturbation jokes mostly especially the episode when inara brings the woman aboard...I cant remember the episode name:(War Stories

It didn't quite fit the character that was developed in the series. Somehow, a Kaylee that blushes when Jayne made that snarky comment about her "getting lubed up" didn't strike me as a Kaylee that would go ahead and say that. Plus, somehow the dialogue just doesn't feel right. Too sudden...meh. Hard to put my finger on why exactly I didn't like it.


I have to disagree with the idea that blushing when someone makes a sexual comment about you and happily making sexual comments about yourself are mutually exclusive. I would be deeply shocked and offended if one of my coworkers dared to offer lewd commentary on my sex life, but that certainly doesn't stop me from having said plenty of dirty things in conversation with friends or partners. Makes sense to me...

War Stories

thank you

and I wouldnt be offended

Wouldn't stop being amusing if Inara were a male character. :D

Agreed. Last time the subject of Firefly came up, I said I wished they'd got to resolve the romantic tension between Mal and Wash....

Just for funzies I took this quiz: http://www.seabreezecomputers.com/serenity/

Turns out I'm 80% in line with Mal, 70% with Kaylee, then 50% each for Zoe and Wash. I am pleased.

I'm joint equal with Mal, Zoe and River - 85% on each, apparently.

Which is good, because Mal and River are my faves. So yay.

*Swoons over River, again*

It didn't quite fit the character that was developed in the series. Somehow, a Kaylee that blushes when Jayne made that snarky comment about her "getting lubed up" didn't strike me as a Kaylee that would go ahead and say that.
Wow, I totally interpreted that scene differently. I didn't see it as her being embarrassed because of the sexual content of what he was saying, I saw it as her being humiliated because Jayne made that comment in front of a guy she was flirting with. It wasn't a general statement about Kaylee liking sex, and it wasn't her own identification of her desires, it was somebody else making her look stupid or desperate in front of a new fellow she thought was cute.

Hell, just pointing out that you're crushing on somebody can embarrass them if the crush is sitting right there!

I'm 80% Mal, Simon Tam 70%, Zoe 65%, Kaylee 60% then Jayne, River and Shepard at 55%.

I'm 80% Mal, Simon Tam 70%, Zoe 65%, Kaylee 60% then Jayne, River and Shepard at 55%.

Wow that makes you 3 and a bit people!

*Swoons over River, again*[/QUOTE]

Shes pretty good looking I think as well.

I love in trash(is it Im not sure??) when river talks to the cow thats so funny:p

Wow, I totally interpreted that scene differently. I didn't see it as her being embarrassed because of the sexual content of what he was saying, I saw it as her being humiliated because Jayne made that comment in front of a guy she was flirting with. It wasn't a general statement about Kaylee liking sex, and it wasn't her own identification of her desires, it was somebody else making her look stupid or desperate in front of a new fellow she thought was cute.

Hell, just pointing out that you're crushing on somebody can embarrass them if the crush is sitting right there!I don't think you interpreted it entirely differently. Kaylee cares about Simon, which is why she's inhibited around him. That's also why it just felt like a deus ex machina solution to their little drama when they resolved it.

Wow that makes you 3 and a bit people!


So thats why I black out sometimes. One of them takes control of my body. *shakes fist* :p

I like Kaylee.

[SPOILER INC]

Particularly when they're in the climactic gun fight and it looks like they're all going to die:

Dr. Simon Tam: In all that time on the ship... I've always regretted... not being with you.
Kaylee Frye: With me? You mean to say... as in sex?
Dr. Simon Tam: I mean to say.
Kaylee Frye: To Hell with this. I'm gonna live!

That was a great scene, yeah. I laughed out loud at that one. I mean, what a true-to-life and true-to-character sentiment.

I don't think you interpreted it entirely differently. Kaylee cares about Simon, which is why she's inhibited around him. That's also why it just felt like a deus ex machina solution to their little drama when they resolved it.
To be fair, the odds of them being brutally massacred by Reavers were pretty high at the time. You would probably be pretty forward when you think you're only going to be alive for a few more minutes. The line was also good for breaking up some of the doom and gloom and seemed natural to me. Kaylee had been very frustrated with Simon's lack of forwardness. Plus I loved that line and am kind of biased.

Firefly and Serenity were both awesome regardless of any misplaced lines, which I feel were rare of nonexistent. I'm a huge Kaylee fan with Jayne in second place. All of the characters were awesome though. I also loved Firefly because it blurred the lines between good and evil. Everything was cast in a shade of grey. The heroes were essentially criminals, but had many good virtues. The Alliance did some shady stuff with River and conquered the Browncoats, but essentially brought lasting peace, prosperity and greater civilization to the solar system. You could see good and bad in each side and I love that way more than clearcut battles between good and evil.

Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 75%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 65%
Derrial Book (Shepherd) 55%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 55%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 50%
River (Stowaway) 45%
Alliance 25%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 25%
Inara Serra (Companion) 20%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 15%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 10%

Right behind Futurama on the list of series that died too soon. Very unique universe. Cool ship. Reavers scarier than the Borg could ever have been. Gritty lived-in and well-used feel, even more than Star Wars.

and yes, Cowboys+Space=Way Cool.

Derrial Book (Shepherd) 75%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 65%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 60%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 60%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 40%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 35%
River (Stowaway) 35%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 25%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 15%
Alliance 15%
Inara Serra (Companion) 10%

Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 90%

Derrial Book (Shepherd) 75%

River (Stowaway) 70%

Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 65%

Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 65%

Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 60%

Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 55%

Wash (Ship Pilot) 55%

Inara Serra (Companion) 50%

Alliance 50%

A Reaver (Cannibal) 15%
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I like the company they put me in. Though I do wish I was a bit more Wash.

I loved the series and rather enjoyed the movie even though I can tell it wouldn't be very understandable to anyone who hadn't watched the series first and might even cause the person to then hate the series.

There are only so many stories in the world. People shouldn't confuse the setting (space, western, historical) with the actual story. A really cynical person will point out that each character in the series is a type. They are correct but they are missing the point.

This test proves that we are all types to some extent. I am the young idealest. (for all that I am middle aged :cool: ) I also align with the wise old man (gandalf anyone?) and so on. The character types hold true to a great extent in real life. That is what lets us identify and feel compassion for them. It also lets us safely hate the side of us we do not like.

The series always felt a lot truer to me than a lot of shows that have come out over the years. Theodore Sturgeon wrote on "Horses in Starship Holds" pointing out the fact that technology is heavy and complicated and that it is much easier to ship 50 horses to a new planet as fertilized ovum than to ship 50 wheeled or hover vehicles of anykind. And the 50 horses will produce more horses over the course of time yet I have yet to see two vehicles mate....

Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 60%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 60%
Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 55%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 40%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 40%
Derrial Book (Shepherd) 40%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 35%
Alliance 35%
River (Stowaway) 30%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 20%
Inara Serra (Companion) 0%

I wish there were more of Monty. I really wish there had been a second season.

*Swoons over River, again*

Shes pretty good looking I think as well.

I love in trash(is it Im not sure??) when river talks to the cow thats so funny:p[/QUOTE]

Her real moment of glory, I think, was the "Objects in Space" episode... where she basically played all episode on the fact that even her best friends don't know where the crazy stops... and the beyond-belief starts.

And she has some of the best lines in the series, no doubt.. deep on so many levels... her 'dream' about the stick, and the reality of the gun? "She understands, she just doesn't comprehend"... genius.

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/1132359/8_23_04_1.jpg.html?path=pgallery&path_key=Glau%2C%20Summer&seq=27

*sigh*

Her real moment of glory, I think, was the "Objects in Space" episode... where she basically played all episode on the fact that even her best friends don't know where the crazy stops... and the beyond-belief starts.

That was *such* an awesome episode.

That was *such* an awesome episode.

Truly. And just one of the best immersions, also - it's not just the crew that are befuddled, the bounty-hunter starts to buy into their reactions, and starts to question himself... and we (as observers) are sat right alongside all of them, still not entirely sure just how far-out River really is. It's a testament to Whedon's ability with the subtleties, layering on top of one another, that even we (with our omniscient view) aren't sure how much of it is 'true', or even how much to believe.

It comes worryingly close to deus ex machina, and then it subverts the whole idea. I'm coming to believe in deus ex machina, but I'm coming to believe it's name is 'Joss'. :)

Truly. And just one of the best immersions, also - it's not just the crew that are befuddled, the bounty-hunter starts to buy into their reactions, and starts to question himself... and we (as observers) are sat right alongside all of them, still not entirely sure just how far-out River really is. It's a testament to Whedon's ability with the subtleties, layering on top of one another, that even we (with our omniscient view) aren't sure how much of it is 'true', or even how much to believe.

It comes worryingly close to deus ex machina, and then it subverts the whole idea. I'm coming to believe in deus ex machina, but I'm coming to believe it's name is 'Joss'. :)

I'm happy with the consistency he provided in his portrayal of psychic ability/temperance.

I'm happy with the consistency he provided in his portrayal of psychic ability/temperance.

I just like the way he sets something up from such a long way off... he did it all through Buffy (like the preludes to Faith, and the warnings about 'Dawn'... awesome stuff), the guy apparently has no problems setting up material for a storyline two or three seasons in advance - so when it finally turns up, you're ready to jump on pretty much whatever he brings with it.

And then - well, like the whole Buffy concept - he's not afraid to subvert your expectations, the ones he spent forever building for you... Buffy isn't the dumb blonde who gets murdered in an alley... the monster jumps on her, and she hands it it's ass - and just when you think you've got him figured, he throws the biggest cliche in horror movies at you, and Angel turns into a moster when Buffy becomes the 'horror movie chick that had sex'.... i.e. public enemy number one.

My only regret about the Buffy franchise, is that it is such a complex, complete, and accessible guide to handle all the confusions of teenage - and I was born too late to make full use of it. :)

My only regret about the Buffy franchise, is that it is such a complex, complete, and accessible guide to handle all the confusions of teenage - and I was born too late to make full use of it. :)
I had Peanuts, Better Off Dead, Cheers, Night Court, Zork, The Wonder Years and Huckleberry Finn to get me through those days. That's about it, though.

...come to think of it, that explains a lot.

To be fair, the odds of them being brutally massacred by Reavers were pretty high at the time. You would probably be pretty forward when you think you're only going to be alive for a few more minutes. The line was also good for breaking up some of the doom and gloom and seemed natural to me. Kaylee had been very frustrated with Simon's lack of forwardness. Plus I loved that line and am kind of biased.Well, since the chances of getting slaughtered being high doesn't really make for a good future relationship :p

To be honest, Inara's look of grim determination as she shot the reavers was enough to break any gloom and doom for me. And it's a serious pity River's fight scene didn't last any longer =/

Dr. Simon Tam (Ship Medic) 70%
Malcolm Reynolds (Captain) 70%
Kaylee Frye (Ship Mechanic) 70%
Zoe Washburne (Second-in-command) 50%
Inara Serra (Companion) 40%
Wash (Ship Pilot) 40%
River (Stowaway) 35%
Derrial Book (Shepherd) 30%
Jayne Cobb (Mercenary) 25%
A Reaver (Cannibal) 20%
Alliance 10%

I WANTED MORE WASH!

But still cool :)

No exaggeration, if thy made a second series I would weep with joy.

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And she has some of the best lines in the series, no doubt.. deep on so many levels... her 'dream' about the stick, and the reality of the gun? "She understands, she just doesn't comprehend"... genius.
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Yeah I always thought that line was brilliant he portrays river in a single line almost