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I think the best US president would have to be either Theodore Roosevelt, or maybe Thomas Jefferson. What do you think?

Probably one of the founders. Good or bad, they did a heck of a better job than the rest.

Btw, Roosevelt was the entire problem behind the Spanish-American war.

Probably one of the founders. Good or bad, they did a heck of a better job than the rest.

Btw, Roosevelt was the entire problem behind the Spanish-American war.
Ya gotta take the good with the bad, yeah?

Ronald Reagen. The last conservative the whole (at least a LOT) of the nation could rally behind. A good, honest, decent man. Not to say that the current president's heart isn't in the right place, I think he really is a great guy with good ideas and sound morals. I just think he's made a few too many mistakes.
His heart is in the right place, but his brain seems to be on vacation! Thus the mistakes.

Ronald Reagen. The last conservative the whole (at least a LOT) of the nation could rally behind. A good, honest, decent man. Not to say that the current president's heart isn't in the right place, I think he really is a great guy with good ideas and sound morals. I just think he's made a few too many mistakes.

JFK has got to be up there .You know with the whole stopping nuclear winter thing. oddly enough I see a little JFK in Barack Obama.

I've always been a fan of Calvin Coolidge. His term saw years of peace, prosperity, stability, and social liberalization. His administration, although far from perfect, gave the US the strong economic and technical base needed for future growth, a base later capitalized successfully by FDR for use in WWII and the Depression. I'd say those two were the best presidents of the first half of the twentieth century.

1.) Lincoln, because of what he got this country through

2.) Washington, because of the precedents he set

JFK has got to be up there .You know with the whole stopping nuclear winter thing. oddly enough I see a little JFK in Barack Obama.JFK did a lot of good. But I wouldn't go as far as comparing Barack with JFK.

Click Stand]Btw, Roosevelt was the entire problem behind the Spanish-American war.

A small part of it yes, but the entire problem? Not hardly. If you want to lay the majority of blaim on any individuals, try Hearst and Pulitzer. He was certainly better than most listed on the poll...

JFK did a lot of good. But I wouldn't go as far as comparing Barack with JFK.

I just did :eek:

W, without a doubt. ;)

I just did :eek:
*gasp* lol

I'm an FDR fan myself. Principled, uncompromising, had unbelievable timing. Also, by far the most successful progressive president of the few that we've had. And unlike many great leaders from the past, Freddy doesn't come with too much anachronistic baggage (I'm looking at you slave-owning founding fathers). He consistently stood up for freedom, fairness, and equality.

Say what you will about the Japanese internment camps and questionable ethical decisions during the war, It's a statistical near impossibility that a leader used such an extraordinary powers for the good of the country, rather than to become a dictator.

Beyond that, I always admired Wilson for being the great peacemaker, Johnson for his ambitious view of america, Jefferson for being close to the whole 'philosopher king' ideal, and Lincoln for being all around teh boss.

Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents in American history. From the ridiculous "War on Drugs" to the BS that is "Trickle-Down Economics", Ronald Reagan not only paved the way for grade-A idiots like George Bush to gain the presidency, but started the process that is quickly eroding away the middle class. He put America into one of its worst deficts ever, ignored the AIDS crisis, cut public money for the poor, and lets not even get into the LIES that went along with military operations under his presidency.

The fact that he would get shot at and live, but JFK would get shot at and die, shows that the Devil has a greater role in US politics than any loving deity....

1) Lincoln

2) Washington

3) F.D. Roosevelt

4) Jefferson

5) T. Roosevelt

6) Wilson

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41) Grant

42) W.

43) Harding

Though we all know that it really is a Chucktatorship.

It was close, but between recovering from the Great Depression and WWII I went with FDR.

Lincoln reeeally should be on the list.

As for Reagan, we owe him a debt that can never be repaid. Specifically, the trillion-dollar kind.

Well I don't like any US President full stop, but if I had to choose it would be Teddy Roosevelt for the New Deal Keynesianism and for fighting fascism. It's actually rather a cruel irony that near a 100 years ago he was talking about socialized health care, and even today the US doesn't have it.

Reagan... well what can you say, 'Reaganomics' screwed the US economy into a vicious circle of poverty, crony corporatism and foreign money making wars killing millions, the US people are still paying for it's horrible legacy today.

JFK did a lot of good. But I wouldn't go as far as comparing Barack with JFK.

I don't think he'd like it if his presidency ended the same way though.

Warren G. Harding, of course.

I don't think he'd like it if his presidency ended the same way though.Yeah, I think he'd probably have a couple objections.

Well I don't like any US President full stop, but if I had to choose it would be Teddy Roosevelt for the New Deal Keynesianism and for fighting fascism.


*Whisper* You're mixing up your Roosevelts.

Well I don't like any US President full stop, but if I had to choose it would be Teddy Roosevelt for the New Deal Keynesianism and for fighting fascism. It's actually rather a cruel irony that near a 100 years ago he was talking about socialized health care, and even today the US doesn't have it.

Reagan... well what can you say, 'Reaganomics' screwed the US economy into a vicious circle of poverty, crony corporatism and foreign money making wars killing millions, the US people are still paying for it's horrible legacy today.

Because the US economy in the 70s was a great time.

Can I pick (Mad) King George?

The place has really gone downhill since...

Pfft. Downhill all the way to the bank, you mean. :p

Because the US economy in the 70s was a great time.

Kids and young adults today have no idea what condition our economy was in during the 70's. Thus they have no personal comparison to draw from.

I think the best US president would have to be either Theodore Roosevelt, or maybe Thomas Jefferson. What do you think?

Can I pick (Mad) King George?

The place has really gone downhill since...

No, not really. The sooner we revoke 'independence', the better.

Aha, right, right. ;)

Pfft. Downhill all the way to the bank, you mean. :p

No, not really. The sooner we revoke 'independence', the better.

Kids and young adults today have no idea what condition our economy was in during the 70's. Thus they have no personal comparison to draw from.

Well, some of us paid attention in our history and economics classes...

I've always been a fan of Calvin Coolidge. His term saw years of peace, prosperity, stability, and social liberalization.
Seconded. Coolidge is easily my choice for best President.

I'm not a fan of Lincoln at all. Lincoln is largely responsible for creating a strong central government at the expense of the federation of states. Before Lincoln, it was common to see the phrase "The United States are", while after Lincoln it is always "The United States is".

I've been told that there are two kinds of people: Those who lead, and those who follow.

I evade pursuit. :)

"The United States are", while after Lincoln it is always "The United States is".Someone saw National Treasure 2. lol

Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents in American history. From the ridiculous "War on Drugs" to the BS that is "Trickle-Down Economics", Ronald Reagan not only paved the way for grade-A idiots like George Bush to gain the presidency, but started the process that is quickly eroding away the middle class. He put America into one of its worst deficts ever, ignored the AIDS crisis, cut public money for the poor, and lets not even get into the LIES that went along with military operations under his presidency.

The fact that he would get shot at and live, but JFK would get shot at and die, shows that the Devil has a greater role in US politics than any loving deity....

And here I thought it was because John Hinckley used a Röhm RG-14 .22 Short revolver to shoot Reagan and Oswald (or whoever to placate the conspiracy theorists) used a 6.5 mm 160 gr. round-nosed fully copper-jacketed military-type bullet fired from a Carcano M91/38 Fucile Corto (short rifle). It's hard to kill a person with a .22 caliber round. Especially when you can't shoot for shit. Hinckley fired 6 times and only hit Reagan once when the bullet ricocheted off the bulletproof glass of the Presidential limousine.

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I'm gonna say that Lincoln's got my vote as does Washington. Plus, you gotta love Ford for being such a goof.

Jefferson Davis anyone?

Jefferson Davis anyone?

Technically, he wasn't a US president. He was the President of the Confederate States of America which was (is in some places) a separate country.

And here I thought it was because John Hinckley used a Röhm RG-14 .22 Short revolver to shoot Reagan and Oswald (or whoever to placate the conspiracy theorists) used a 6.5 mm 160 gr. round-nosed fully copper-jacketed military-type bullet fired from a Carcano M91/38 Fucile Corto (short rifle). It's hard to kill a person with a .22 caliber round. Especially when you can't shoot for shit. Hinckley fired 6 times and only hit Reagan once when the bullet ricocheted off the bulletproof glass of the Presidential limousine.

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I'm gonna say that Lincoln's got my vote as does Washington. Plus, you gotta love Ford for being such a goof.

"We shoot anybody who tries to help. I guess that's why Reagan was only wounded." -Sam Kinison.

:D

"We shoot anybody who tries to help. I guess that's why Reagan was only wounded." -Sam Kinison.

:D

Well played indeed. Sam Kinison died too young, says I.

James Buchanan. Only because he was the president after Lincoln. You know what he must have been thinking, "How the hell do I follow that guy." Plus he was the only unmarried president which is kind of cool. Yea, I had to do a report about him back when I was in school.

James Buchanan. Only because he was the president after Lincoln. You know what he must have been thinking, "How the hell do I follow that guy." Plus he was the only unmarried president which is kind of cool. Yea, I had to do a report about him back when I was in school.

Wasn't he right before Lincoln? He pretty much just let states secede from the Union. Lincoln had to clean up his whole mess.

Sorry, yes I'm a dope. Shows how many years it's been since I've been in school lol. Well anyway, he WAS the only unmarried president fueling rumors that enjoyed the "company of men." So crappy president yes but interesting story nonetheless.

Richard Nixon!

For me it's a toss up between Lincoln, for getting through the civil war with the nation still more or less intact, and FDR for guiding us out of the depression and through WWII. Imagine a Buchanan or a Harding as president during those periods!

The only other president who even appraoches those two in importance would be Washington. Not because of any particular policies or decisions carried out as president, but because he used his prestige to hold the nation together as a nation, rather than a confederation of states; he didn't use his prestige to become a monarch or dictator, which he could have done, and was even urged by friends to do; and finally, when his second term was up, there was a peaceful turnove of power, rather than any kind of coup, as many expected.

Besides Robot Nixon, I'd say Jimmy Carter, just because he was about the only President of the USA in about a century, that I really believed was somewhat honest when it came to such trivial matters as promoting peace and trying to improve life quality.


Besides, he was a buddy of Hunter.S.Thompson!

Sort of.

For me it's a toss up between Lincoln, for getting through the civil war with the nation still more or less intact, and FDR for guiding us out of the depression and through WWII. Imagine a Buchanan or a Harding as president during those periods!

Well, I personally think Theodore Roosevelt could have a done a better job in the civil war. But for all his good points, he was racist which meant slavery would have been around longer. And as for the great depression? I think that if anything FDR enlonged it. Calvin Coolidge would have done a much better job.

Bill Clinton wasn't bad.

He made the US rich again after the utter clusterfuck that was Raegan and Bush Sr, despite any bullshit about the "Clinton Recession", as well as generally being sensible (although Rwanda was a bit of a mistake - but at least one that he admitted was a mistake).

FDR also not too bad. Good work with the New Deal and OK as far as WW2 went.

The first 6 or so, Lincoln, Teddy, and FDR. It hasn't been the same since FDR.

Bill Clinton wasn't bad.

He made the US rich again after the utter clusterfuck that was Raegan and Bush Sr, despite any bullshit about the "Clinton Recession", as well as generally being sensible (although Rwanda was a bit of a mistake - but at least one that he admitted was a mistake).

FDR also not too bad. Good work with the New Deal and OK as far as WW2 went.

Politicos of every stripe have a reason to hate Clinton and a reason to respect him. I generally think of him as how conservatives used to be, and how an ideal conservative president would act (although Eisenhower did it a little better, if we're going to go down that path.)

Politicos of every stripe have a reason to hate Clinton and a reason to respect him. I generally think of him as how conservatives used to be, and how an ideal conservative president would act (although Eisenhower did it a little better, if we're going to go down that path.)Ike shoulders plenty of blame for there being mullahs in Iran. I don't think Clinton has a similarly large legacy of fuck-up that he's handed down to us.

For "most successful", I would go with Jefferson or FDR, as they best succeeded in their aims, while at the same time not totally fucking over the country. For "least hateful", probably James A. Garfield (why? he lasted only one month.)

Ike shoulders plenty of blame for there being mullahs in Iran. I don't think Clinton has a similarly large legacy of fuck-up that he's handed down to us.

He also doesn't have the success of creating our national infrastructure.

Ike shoulders plenty of blame for there being mullahs in Iran. I don't think Clinton has a similarly large legacy of fuck-up that he's handed down to us.
Quite.

He also doesn't have the success of creating our national infrastructure.That's not much of a bonus in my book, particularly considering that Hitler was responsible for my other national infrastructure.

I'd rather have someone that doesn't oppose the concept of democracy as president, and quite frankly, Ike opposed the concept of democracy.

Clinton (Bill), Washington, Lincoln were all good. There were other good ones I can't think of right now.

Pretty much anyone except Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Bush x2, Reagan, etc. They were sux.

Not Ronald Reagan. Especially not George W Bush.

William Howard "The Tank" Taft.

Just because he got stuck in a bathtub.

George W. Bush. No question that he is the best president in the history of the United States and the greatest leader in the history of the world.

I am the king of rats
there is none higher
sucka MCs can call me...
the king of rats.

JFK has got to be up there .You know with the whole stopping nuclear winter thing. oddly enough I see a little JFK in Barack Obama.Oh really, so is Obama going to get shot or have an affair with Jessica Beil?

1.) Lincoln, because of what he got this country through

True, but either he or his government's actions violated the constitution many many times.

The best US President shall be me! Muahaha!

Top 5 Best

1. FDR
2. George Washington
3. Harry S Truman
4. John F. Kennedy
5. Teddy Roosevelt

Top 10 Worst

1. Calvin Coolidge (Farmers don't make much anyway)
2. Andrew Johnson (Botched reconstruction)
3. James Buchanan (Abandoned a sinking ship)
4. Andrew Jackson (Went after the Indians like mad)
5. Ulysses S. Grant (Did he even do anything in 8 years?)
6. Franklin Pierce (Kansas-Nebraska Act)
7. Woodrow Wilson (Flat out racist)
8. Thomas Jefferson (Started America out as a watchdog early, poor embargos and nearly went to war with France.)
9. Warren Harding (Crooked)
10. Abraham Lincoln (From the eyes of a Southerner, a hypocritical dictator)

JFK has got to be up there .You know with the whole stopping nuclear winter thing. oddly enough I see a little JFK in Barack Obama.

JFK almost started a nuclear war, don't see how that gells with being a great president. I always put him as one of the worst we had. It is a common misconception of his words and actions plus the glamorous facade that still pervades in the minds of the media that influence people to put JFK on a pedestal. He was a foreign policy disaster. From the transcripts I read of the incident it looked as if JFK didn't perceive the danger the missiles presented and was more upset at the timing of Kruschev's latest adventure rather than the placement of the missiles there in the first place.

I usually put Teddy and Thomas Jefferson as among my top presidents.

I usually put Teddy and Thomas Jefferson as among my top presidents.
What?:confused:

What?:confused:

He did massively expand our country...

He made the US rich again after the utter clusterfuck that was Raegan and Bush Sr, despite any bullshit about the "Clinton Recession", as well as generally being sensible (although Rwanda was a bit of a mistake - but at least one that he admitted was a mistake).

I think you're a little mistaken there. Reagan's economic performance was all-around excellent; the economy boomed, wages climbed, and unemployment dropped to the lowest levels since before the 1973 oil crisis while simultaneously sustaining a large increase in labor force participation as well as the highest employment-population ratio since modern records were established in 1948. There's a reason why Reagan was so popular, and it had to do with the fact that America prospered under his leadership. In addition, it was Reagan who appointed Alan Greenspan, who played a pivotal role in the monetary policy of the 1990's (for better or for worse).

Without his administration's work, Clinton would not have been able to achieve many of his own economic successes. Of course, it's also true that Reagan's success hinges on Carter's decision to appoint Paul Volcker to the Federal Reserve...they pretty much all worked together to ensure the strong growth of the 1980's and 1990's.

I think you're a little mistaken there. Reagan's economic performance was all-around excellent; the economy boomed, wages climbed, and unemployment dropped to the lowest levels since before the 1973 oil crisis while simultaneously sustaining a large increase in labor force participation as well as the highest employment-population ratio since modern records were established in 1948. There's a reason why Reagan was so popular, and it had to do with the fact that America prospered under his leadership. In addition, it was Reagan who appointed Alan Greenspan, who played a pivotal role in the monetary policy of the 1990's (for better or for worse).

Without his administration's work, Clinton would not have been able to achieve many of his own economic successes. Of course, it's also true that Reagan's success hinges on Carter's decision to appoint Paul Volcker to the Federal Reserve...they pretty much all worked together to ensure the strong growth of the 1980's and 1990's.

Ahh you are one of those economics really starts 10 years ago guys?

I was downsized during Regan's time. I saw a facility of 33000 reduced to 8000 and it was aerodefense.

So how was it job rates grew and it's called the downsizing era?

All right, which idiot made this poll? How the HELL did you omit Abraham Lincoln. Free too many slaves for you or something?

I was downsized during Regan's time. I saw a facility of 33000 reduced to 8000 and it was aerodefense.

So how was it job rates grew and it's called the downsizing era?

Manufacturing lost jobs and the service sector grew rapidly. This is evidenced by the poor performance of real wages compared to growth in personal income, which better reflects growth for salaried employees that are a major component of service-sector employment. Overall employment in the 1980's grew quickly, but manufacturing lost jobs due to the acceleration of losses which had started in the 1970's and continued from that point forward to the present.

Plus, the aerospace industry was hard-hit by the 1970's oil crises and the deregulation of the airlines, both of which contributed to the extensive job losses of the period.

go TR!!!!

Manufacturing lost jobs and the service sector grew rapidly. This is evidenced by the poor performance of real wages compared to growth in personal income, which better reflects growth for salaried employees that are a major component of service-sector employment. Overall employment in the 1980's grew quickly, but manufacturing lost jobs due to the acceleration of losses which had started in the 1970's and continued from that point forward to the present.

Plus, the aerospace industry was hard-hit by the 1970's oil crises and the deregulation of the airlines, both of which contributed to the extensive job losses of the period.

Manufacturing was a tiny amount of the work force mentioned. Most where white collared jobs.

How does oil and airline deregulation kill the production of missiles, satellites, and fighter jets?

These were the three main design areas for the facility mentioned.....

All right, which idiot made this poll? How the HELL did you omit Abraham Lincoln. Free too many slaves for you or something?

A lot of people object to Lincoln's approach to the Constitution. Some object to his perception of the right of Union states to leave that union. Some object to the perception that Lincoln was some kind of pro-emancipation paragon... some note that Lincoln didn't issue his emancipation proclamation until during the 'civil war' , and that a large part of the focus of the gesture was offering military positions to slaves. A cynical ploy to destroy the economic base of the Confederacy and boost Union military numbers?

Some object to the fact that Lincoln initially only opposed the spread of slavery - meaning that any future staes would be slavery-free, but leaving slavery present in slave states. Some object to the fact that he portrayed himself as a hero of the slaves, whilst his personal correspondence contained such sentiments as "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it". Some object to the fact that Lincoln originally BLOCKED Union forces from freeing captured territory. Some object to the fact that Lincoln allegedly fought a war over slavery... but allowed Union states to maintain slaves, even whilst enforcing emancipation at gunpoint in the Confederacy.

Some people object to Lincoln's apparent double standards, and cynical use of the issue of slavery and emancipation.

Manufacturing was a tiny amount of the work force mentioned. Most where white collared jobs.

How does oil and airline deregulation kill the production of missiles, satellites, and fighter jets?

Military procurement not only stagnated in the 1970's, but Reagan's defense buildup only returned it to its levels of the Vietnam War and for a very brief period at that. It peaked and declined continuously from 1985 to 1997 or thereabout, and during that time a number of major programs were slashed or otherwise canceled. For all of the talk about Reagan's military rebuilding, it neither lasted long nor was really all that large when viewed in real terms.

Ronald Reagen. The last conservative the whole (at least a LOT) of the nation could rally behind. A good, honest, decent man. Not to say that the current president's heart isn't in the right place, I think he really is a great guy with good ideas and sound morals. I just think he's made a few too many mistakes.

I'm having a hard time coming up with a list of "good ideas" the current president has had.

Besides Robot Nixon, I'd say Jimmy Carter, just because he was about the only President of the USA in about a century, that I really believed was somewhat honest when it came to such trivial matters as promoting peace and trying to improve life quality.

I'd put Truman on that list. Seriously. Don't shoot me.

All right, which idiot made this poll? How the HELL did you omit Abraham Lincoln. Free too many slaves for you or something?

Well Lincoln did rape the Consitution by suspending Habeas Corpus, that's the main reason why I don't like Lincoln. He also created a strong Central Federal Government which has since grown in power and size, which is always bad.

I'm not a big fan of FDR either, for the same reason, he has given the government more power, and while he may have placed restrictions on these new powers, he should've known better that politicans will say "fuck to the restrictions!" and expand government's powers anyways.

Personally I like Teddy Roosevelt, because he was a man's man, and he set aside thousands of acres of forest land to be kept safe from loggers for outdoorsmen like me to enjoy. I love the fact that he was an avid outdoorsman.

If Lincoln ordered that the slaves in the US states be freed at once, he would have pissed off missouri, kentucky, maryland, and delaware -- which very well may have joined the CSA. In particular, kentucky was originally officially neutral -- they only became pro-union when the confederates grabbed Columbus, KY (it's in the extreme west).

All right, which idiot made this poll? How the HELL did you omit Abraham Lincoln. Free too many slaves for you or something?

I was just getting around to wondering about that.

Well Lincoln did rape the Consitution by suspending Habeas Corpus, that's the main reason why I don't like Lincoln. He also created a strong Central Federal Government which has since grown in power and size, which is always bad.

There are constitutional provisions that allow the president to take on extraordinary powers during times of war. And it's not like habeas corpus wasn't returned after the war.

FDR was the best president this country ever had in my opinion. He eneded the great depression and layed the foundation that turned the United States into a world superpower... he's the guy who gave something for the modern politicians to tear down without putting anything back up in its place.

Reagan was epic.

Also Lincoln deserved to be shot, you bloody Unionists, though I'm not a big fan of Jefferson either, especially late-War Jefferson.

FDR was the best president this country ever had in my opinion. He eneded the great depression and layed the foundation that turned the United States into a world superpower... he's the guy who gave something for the modern politicians to tear down without putting anything back up in its place.
He prolonged the depression and was damned lucky WW2 brewed.

Calvin Coolidge is my favorite modern President. He left alone what needed to be left alone, i.e. most of the economy. He's probably as close to what the modern libertarian movement will ever get to a politician that follows their ideals.

Theodore Roosevelt, hands down

FDR was the best president this country ever had in my opinion. He eneded the great depression and layed the foundation that turned the United States into a world superpower... he's the guy who gave something for the modern politicians to tear down without putting anything back up in its place.

Yes, but he also believed that the Stalin was a benevolent leader who could be reasoned with and with whom ideological dialogue could take place. If FDR had survived the Second world war, we would have a far different opinion of him.

William Harrison!

It should be noted that he didn't screw up once as president.

bill clinton!

William Harrison!

It should be noted that he didn't screw up once as president.
I suppose it wasn't quite his fault he dumped Tyler on you guys.:p

Someone saw National Treasure 2. lol

Not neccessarily. That's a pretty well known factoid.

Well, I personally think Theodore Roosevelt could have a done a better job in the civil war. But for all his good points, he was racist which meant slavery would have been around longer.

We are talking about the same president who fought with the Buffalo Soldiers in Cuba, had dinner with Booker T. Washington (first black man to dine in the White House), appointed balcks to fedral posts, and opposed segregation of schools, right? As opposed to the unabashed racism of Abraham "[the black man] is not my equal" Lincoln?

It hasn't been the same since FDR.

And that's not entierly a good thing.

He did massively expand our country...

Among other things - like ending the external slave trade.

I'd put Truman on that list. Seriously. Don't shoot me.

Truman's up there for sure.

Military procurement not only stagnated in the 1970's, but Reagan's defense buildup only returned it to its levels of the Vietnam War and for a very brief period at that. It peaked and declined continuously from 1985 to 1997 or thereabout, and during that time a number of major programs were slashed or otherwise canceled. For all of the talk about Reagan's military rebuilding, it neither lasted long nor was really all that large when viewed in real terms.

Ok. I will buy that. :)

Martin Van Buren, Grover Cleveland, or Calvin Coolidge.

Martin Van Buren, Grover Cleveland, or Calvin Coolidge.


What??? IIRC there was an economic depression throughout his term (even though the depression was Andrew Jackson's fault for closing the national bank- jacka**.)


And what is up with the Lincoln hate? Lincoln was epic. Is there anyone who actually BELIEVES that the Confederacy was in the right? They are the ones who should be shot.

What??? IIRC there was an economic depression throughout his term (even though the depression was Andrew Jackson's fault for closing the national bank- jacka**.)


And what is up with the Lincoln hate? Lincoln was epic. Is there anyone who actually BELIEVES that the Confederacy was in the right? They are the ones who should be shot.

It's not so much that they feel the Confederacy was right, but that they feel the Union was wrong for trying to coerce them to remain as a part of the US. (Of course, there's the matter of the secession not being majority-approved but that's a different story for a different day.)

William Harrison!

It should be noted that he didn't screw up once as president.

Who?

*goes on wiki*

Wow, that guy was legit. I change my vote to Harrison.

Well Lincoln did rape the Consitution by suspending Habeas Corpus,

Incidentally, the only thing he did wrong was do it before Congress did. Which they later did, as allowed by the Constitution.

And what is up with the Lincoln hate? Lincoln was epic. Is there anyone who actually BELIEVES that the Confederacy was in the right? They are the ones who should be shot.
Lincoln took a nice, big, hot shit on the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson. He pretty made very politically unpopular decisions which ended up saving the country in the long run. He was really hated by the time he left office, but his decisions were the right ones.

It's not so much that they feel the Confederacy was right, but that they feel the Union was wrong for trying to coerce them to remain as a part of the US. (Of course, there's the matter of the secession not being majority-approved but that's a different story for a different day.)

Actually many of them feel the confederacy was right......

Best - I'm not sure. My favourite, though, is Eisenhower.

Ronald Reagen. The last conservative the whole (at least a LOT) of the nation could rally behind. A good, honest, decent man.
Does that include his support for death squads in Central America and the fact that he funded Islamic extremists such as Osama bin Laden?

It's actually quite ironic the way America has a history of causing problems in the rest of the world that eventually come back to bite it in the ass.

True, but either he or his government's actions violated the constitution many many times.

like when?

How the hell is Thomas Jefferson not on that list?!

It's not so much that they feel the Confederacy was right, but that they feel the Union was wrong for trying to coerce them to remain as a part of the US. (Of course, there's the matter of the secession not being majority-approved but that's a different story for a different day.)
My complaint is actually with the strengthening of the central government that happened as a result of the Confederacy.

If Lincoln had simply restored the USA to its antebellum organisation, I'd have a lot more good things to say about him.