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Ok So Lets talk about it,

question#1 Who do you wish goes tru this wildcard weekend?
question#2 Who do you think is going to make it, and why?

Dunno, but God please don't let it be the Patriots. I wanna see Tom Brady and the Pats go down! How did my Giants go from 12 ahead to 3 down and lose!! Dammit, why?!?!?!?!

Dunno, but God please don't let it be the Patriots. I wanna see Tom Brady and the Pats go down! How did my Giants go from 12 ahead to 3 down and lose!! Dammit, why?!?!?!?!Ok..

So let me put it this way.

in 2 weeks, The Patriots are going to play either the Jags or the Steelers.

of this 2 teams.. who has a better shot at hurting/downing the Pats?

If any team has a chance it would be Jacksonville, but I doubt any team in the playoffs will stop them.

If any team has a chance it would be jacksonvill, but I doubt any team in the playoffs will stop them.I agree, the Jags have the better shot.
Specially if there is some wind or snow. (VS the Moss factor)

I wish my Carolina Panthers would've made it to the Playoffs, but they had quarterback problem this season. :( Dammit, why did Jake have to get injured?

Ah well, maybe next Season.

I for one am glad to see the Pat's go 16-0 and look forward to seeing what they can do in the post-season.

I agree, the Jags have the better shot.
Specially if there is some wind or snow. (VS the Moss factor)

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You seem to be forgetting that this is the New England Patriots you're talking about. The Pats are godly in the snow, even as a passing heavy team. I mean, it's not like Maroney's a lame duck RB either...

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You seem to be forgetting that this is the New England Patriots you're talking about. The Pats are godly in the snow, even as a passing heavy team. I mean, it's not like Maroney's a lame duck RB either...If it snows, the pass game is more risky.. even If you have Randy Moss.

unless by godly in the snow you mean to say the Zebras are going to give you another TuckRule thingie ;)

Dunno, but God please don't let it be the Patriots. I wanna see Tom Brady and the Pats go down! How did my Giants go from 12 ahead to 3 down and lose!! Dammit, why?!?!?!?!

Perhaps because the Patriots were and are the better team? Just a hunch.

question#1 Who do you wish goes tru this wildcard weekend?

Well, Buffalo didn't make it, so I don't have a lot of preferences either way. :(

That said, I've got an affinity towards Seattle, Jacksonville, San Diego and the Giants, but I won't be too bothered if any of them lose. I just hope to see some quality games. :)

question#2 Who do you think is going to make it, and why?

Jacksonville over Pittsburgh- It's a cliche, but the Jaguars did beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh in early December, and that was with Willie Parker playing. As hard as it is to win "the second time around" it's hard not to think (with Parker out) the scales aren't tipped again in Jacksonville's favour.

San Diego over Tennessee- The Titans were anemic against a second-string Colts team that performed very much like back-ups- thus, I don't give Tennessee much of a chance against LaDainian Tomlinson and the Chargers who happen to own the second-longest current winning streak in the NFL.

Tampa Bay over NY Giants- Yeah, yeah, the Giants played well against the Patriots- but this is playoff time and a completely different animal. Eli Manning still makes mistakes, the Bucs' defence is pretty good and the Giants are on the road in one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL. Maybe Manning can prove me wrong and finally win a playoff game but until he does, my money's against him.

Washington over Seattle- The Seahawks are better on paper but the Redskins are still pretty decent themselves and have been deadly with their execution (no pun intended) of late on both sides of the ball; plus they have the death of Sean Taylor as a rallying call. Somehow I don't think Seattle can match that kind of intensity even here in the playoffs.

Ok..

So let me put it this way.

in 2 weeks, The Patriots are going to play either the Jags or the Steelers.

of this 2 teams.. who has a better shot at hurting/downing the Pats?

The Steelers. to many weapons. However, I have a feeling it will be the titans (who finished 6th) could very well go on to face the Patriots. Lowest seed plays highest seed in the Divisional Playoffs just like in wild card weekend.

I agree, the Jags have the better shot.
Specially if there is some wind or snow. (VS the Moss factor)

You forget that Jacksonville plays in Florida. The Steelers have a better shot due to the fact that they are used to playing in cold and snow. Much like the Patriots. The only way one of these two teams plays the Patriots is if the Titans lose to San Diego (which I hope they don't for I despise the Chargers.)

You forget that Jacksonville plays in Florida. The Steelers have a better shot due to the fact that they are used to playing in cold and snow. The Jags are weather proof. :D

I will say this much:

The Chargers will beat the Titans. Resoundingly. And all the Cleveland fans will wonder why the Titans didn't just throw the last game and give someone with a chance in hell of beating San Diego a chance.

The Jaguars will beat the Steelers. In a good game. In the snow. It will probably be low-scoring.

The Seahawks will beat the Redskins. Because the Seahawks aren't playing too terribly and aren't a 9-7 team. Yes, the Redskins are hot, but that's a relative term in the playoffs.

The Giants will beat the Buccaneers because, let's be honest, they're a better team. With nothing to play for, they took the Pats to the end.

After that, I imagine it plays out largely as expected, with the Pats and Colts winning big, the Cowboys winning a tough one against the Giants, and the Packers taking out the Seahawks.

I'll take the Pats and Cowboys (yawn, predictable) in the Super Bowl, with the Pats winning by at least three touchdowns and I'll be watching something else.

The Steelers beat everyone, as the Patriots all commit mass suicide after a long drunken male orgy.

If only...if only..-sigh-

You forget that Jacksonville plays in Florida. The Steelers have a better shot due to the fact that they are used to playing in cold and snow. Much like the Patriots. The only way one of these two teams plays the Patriots is if the Titans lose to San Diego (which I hope they don't for I despise the Chargers.)

Yeah, but the Jaguars beat Pittsburgh *in* Pittsburgh- and in the snow- and that was when the Steelers still had Willie Parker. I know the Steelers will probably play harder since it's the playoffs and they don't want the same team to beat them on their turf twice in a row but seeing how Jacksonville did it before and how Pittsburgh is a weaker team this time around I just don't see how Jacksonville could lose.

Yeah, but the Jaguars beat Pittsburgh *in* Pittsburgh- and in the snow- and that was when the Steelers still had Willie Parker.

As I was in Pittsburgh during this so called snow...it was not much to speak of at all. Hell, the temperature was not even that cold either. I like to see Jacksonville play there when the Temperatures are in the teens with blowing snow. Unfortunately its only going to be in the upper 30s. I'm still giving the advantage to Pittsburgh. And ya know what? The steelers do have more weapons than Willie Parker.

I know the Steelers will probably play harder since it's the playoffs and they don't want the same team to beat them on their turf twice in a row but seeing how Jacksonville did it before and how Pittsburgh is a weaker team this time around I just don't see how Jacksonville could lose.

A weaker team? how are they weaker?

The Steelers will beat the Jaguars (as has been said, it is the playoffs, and the Steelers will play harder) and go on to reclaim their rightful place as the winners of the Super Bowl.

The Steelers will beat the Jaguars ...any given Sunday Steeelers could defeat the Jags, problem is, its going to be a Saturday.

this Saturday.. get ready to eat some humble pie.. and leave some for Corneliu :D

any given Sunday Steeelers could defeat the Jags, problem is, its going to be a Saturday.

this Saturday.. get ready to eat some humble pie.. and leave some for Corneliu :D

You really do not know steeler football do you?

My predictions for this week unbiased.

Seattle over Washington at home with the 12th man.

Pittsburgh over Jacksonville. I would love to see Pitt get whooped though.

NY Giants over Tampa Bay. After seeing that game vs the Pats I think they have a spark.

San Diego over the Titans. San Diego is a much better team.

Wild Card Round

SEATTLE over Washington
TAMPA BAY over NY Giants

JACKSONVILLE over Pittsburgh
SAN DIEGO over Tennessee

Divisional Round

GREEN BAY over Seattle
DALLAS over Tampa Bay

NEW ENGLAND over Jacksonville
SAN DIEGO over Indianapolis

Conference Championships

GREEN BAY over Dallas
NEW ENGLAND over San Diego

Super Bowl

NEW ENGLAND over Green Bay



...that's my take on it anyways. Possible upsets include Indianapolis beating San Diego and Tampa Bay beating Dallas.

ok so im gonna try to put my picks public in the last three years i had 3 of the 6 teams who were in the super bowl with one picked on the nose my Steelers beating the Seahawks besides that I got the Eagles 3 years ago...

I'm putting in the whole playoff's cause chances are I won't look at this till it's over.

AFC

Steelers over Jacksonville....I went back and forth but I think I chose Pitt cause there my team....I can see this going either way depending on what Steelers def. shows up

Chargers over Titans....The Browns should be in but they couldn't get it done I would've picked the Browns too...but it is the Titans without Albert Hanworth they have no shot to stop L.T

That will put the Steelers @ Pats and Chargers @ Colts

Pats over Steelers....16-0 steelers just don't have a chance this team has too many weapons hopefully no predictions this time.

Colts over Chargers....Just a Hunch

Pats over Colts....I just don't kno this is a guess Randy and Tom just look better then Payton and Harrison

NFC

Redskins over Seahawks...That's for Shawn

Tampa Bay over Giants....Giants let down again maybe since this is the first time I picked them to lose they'll win

Which gives us Redskins @ Cowboys Tampa Bay @ Green Bay

Cowboys over Redskins in a closer game then we think Washington has heart but I don't think they have the talent, this is the game I hope I get wrong

Green Bay over Tampa Bay....Cold Weather Brett Farve enough said

Green Bay over Dallas....Rematch in Dallas difference Green Bay can run now...

Super Bowl

New England Patorites vs Green Bay Packers

Packers become the first team to beat New England in a Shoot-Out and Brett can retire on top as Super Bowl 42's MVP

You really do not know steeler football do you?The Jags can play steeler ball .. in the cold.. with the snow.
Make sure to tune in Saturday ;)

The Jags can play steeler ball .. in the cold.. with the snow.
Make sure to tune in Saturday ;)

As I said, you really do not know what you are talking about. As usual.

Latest Vegas lines here:

http://www.vegas.com/gaming/

Why the Pats won't win the SB: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080101&sportCat=nfl

Scroll down to the table and all hail the statistics. ;)

Actually I'd like to see them win it, I don't like them as a team but it's something people will talk about for many years to come and I'm not old enough for '72. As long as the Chargers and Cowboys lose, I don't particularly care who wins.

Cowboys over Redskins in a closer game then we think Washington has heart but I don't think they have the talent, this is the game I hope I get wrong


I think the Redskins will go in with an advantage, especially if they keep playing the way they have been lately. They've got momentum and their last game (win) against the Cowboys was a rout. That's going to be hard for Dallas to forget about when they meet again.

I think Dallas' ability to not be intimidated will be the second biggest factor, behind Washington's ability to avoid letting it get to their heads.

As I was in Pittsburgh during this so called snow...it was not much to speak of at all. Hell, the temperature was not even that cold either. I like to see Jacksonville play there when the Temperatures are in the teens with blowing snow. Unfortunately its only going to be in the upper 30s. I'm still giving the advantage to Pittsburgh. And ya know what? The steelers do have more weapons than Willie Parker.

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A weaker team? how are they weaker?

I know the game wasn't like Cleveland-Buffalo was but it was cold, there was white stuff on the ground, the Jacksonville Jaguars outrushed the Pittsburgh Steelers (with Willie Parker) and came away with the victory. Now, the Steelers don't have Parker (the league's leading rusher at the time of his injury), have the same forecast for Sunday as that ill-fated loss and a Jaguars team capable of playing hard, physical, running football- exactly Pittsburgh's alley and the kind needed for winter game success.

Yeah, I know the Steelers are more than just Parker, but you can't take away a guy with his kind of numbers and ability and expect them not to be worse off for it. Regardless of the Steelers' ability, Jacksonville beat Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh so they've shown they're capable of playing with the Steelers. Hence why I think Jacksonville has the edge on Sunday.

Why the Pats won't win the SB: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/080101&sportCat=nfl

Scroll down to the table and all hail the statistics. ;)

Actually I'd like to see them win it, I don't like them as a team but it's something people will talk about for many years to come and I'm not old enough for '72. As long as the Chargers and Cowboys lose, I don't particularly care who wins.

It's an interesting statistic but it's underminned by the fact that only three of those 41 teams- the 2001 St. Louis Rams, the 1979 San Diego Chargers and the 1969 Oakland Raiders- were No. 1 (overall) NFL seeds. Besides, it's not like Tom Brady and the Patriots are playoff newcomers who don't understand playoff pressure and I think New England has defied the odds all season long. If there was a game New England could lose, it would have been against the Giants- after that, all bets had to be off, because we knew the Patriots would come to play in the playoffs.

That said, I think it'd be funny if New England stretched their record to 18-0 and lost- they'd still be in the record books ahead of the 1972 Miami Dolphins but they wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. I just don't see how this Patriots team could lose, however.

*Snip*

One thing about the Steelers is their backup personnel. Look at Parker's replacement during the game in which Parker broke his leg!

One thing the Steelers have that Jacksonville doesn't, is experience. As another poster put it, we have to see which D shows up. You do not think for one second that the coach of the Steelers has not been drilling his team on that Jacksonville game? We will see a different outcome.

Again, Steeler Football is more agile than people think it is.

Oh and another thing...let us look at time of possession during that game to.

The Steelers will beat the Jaguars I am going to log here after the Game.. with the promised humble pie for you and Corneliu.
As I said, you really do not know what you are talking about. As usual.really?

My Superbowl Prediction is New England and Green Bay.

AFC Championship: New England and Indianapolis

NFC Championship: Dallas and Green Bay

Usually I consider the wild card teams too but I honestly don't believe that any of the wild card teams (especially in the AFC) stand a chance.

One thing about the Steelers is their backup personnel. Look at Parker's replacement during the game in which Parker broke his leg!

One thing the Steelers have that Jacksonville doesn't, is experience. As another poster put it, we have to see which D shows up. You do not think for one second that the coach of the Steelers has not been drilling his team on that Jacksonville game? We will see a different outcome.

Again, Steeler Football is more agile than people think it is.

Oh and another thing...let us look at time of possession during that game to.

Well, the St. Louis Rams aren't the Jacksonville Jaguars...so I don't know how much I want to read into Najeh Davenport's numbers in that game. Furthermore, Pittsburgh has lost three of its last four games- they're not exactly playing at the top of their game- and Jacksonville won three of its last four (both streaks include that game in Pittsburgh).

You're right that the Steelers' experience would probably help them against the Jaguars, but the way Pittsburgh has been playing recently there's nothing there for me to suggest they're playing at the all-conquering level they did in 2005, or even earlier this season. The Jaguars, on the other hand, have looked impressive as of late and play the Steelers' game better than Pittsburgh does (and doing so in Pittsburgh, no doubt). Hence why I stay with Jacksonville, albeit in a closer contest than I think some might think it will be.

Hence why I stay with Jacksonville, albeit in a closer contest than I think some might think it will be.actually -from where I am sitting- this is not even going to be close :D

Seahawks 35 Redskins 14

Off to Green Bay. Should be a good game.

I'd also bet the Steelers. Let's say, 17-10, just for fun. :)

I'd also bet the Steelers. Let's say, 17-10, just for fun. :)

I can't imagine this is going to be a low scoring game.

I can't imagine this is going to be a low scoring game.

Stranger things have happened. I mostly just wanted to take a stab at picking it. :p

I can't imagine this is going to be a low scoring game.7-7 already ..

so far so goo for the Steelers ..

Zebras says Mathis was down by contact.. but he wast.

No matter: Garrard Pass to Maurice >> TD >> 21-7

just like that. :D

Zebras says Mathis was down by contact.. but he wast.


Yeah, but Madden says his hair was OB, and no one knows better than Madden. :p

Ben really blows.

Seahawks over Redskins
Jaguars over Steelers
Giants over Buccaneers
Chargers over Titans

From there I have
Patriots over Jaguars.Jags couldn't beat the Colts.They can't beat the Pats.
Colts over Chargers.Seriously Rivers vs that pass defense.Bigtime favorable for the Colts.

Giants over Cowboys.Why?Cowboys are falling apart.
Seahawks over Packers.Why?Packers are falling apart.

Patriots over Colts.Colts just aren't 100%.Patriots sole goal is beating Colts before winning superbowl.
Seahawks over Giants.Giants can't win in Seattle.It's too noisy.

Finally Patriots over Seahawks.

Seahawks over Redskins
Jaguars over Steelers
Giants over Buccaneers
Chargers over Titans

From there I have
Patriots over Jaguars.Jags couldn't beat the Colts.They can't beat the Pats.
Colts over Chargers.Seriously Rivers vs that pass defense.Bigtime favorable for the Colts.

Giants over Cowboys.Why?Cowboys are falling apart.
Seahawks over Packers.Why?Packers are falling apart.

Patriots over Colts.Colts just aren't 100%.Patriots sole goal is beating Colts before winning superbowl.
Seahawks over Giants.Giants can't win in Seattle.It's too noisy.

Finally Patriots over Seahawks.


I think your predictions may be right on. We will see. I have a feeling the Hawks may be able to slip into the Superbowl this year.

Cerean;13347743']Ben really blows.

He is hit and miss. Tonight he is showing both sides.

I think your predictions may be right on. We will see. I have a feeling the Hawks may be able to slip into the Superbowl this year.
Well if I manage to do well in the wildcard round I'll do great the rest of the way.

We will see a different outcome.nope.

act#1 The Jags steadily builds a big lead during first 3/4 of the game (15 or more).
act#2 Ben 11th hour heroics allows Steelers to tie the game.
act#3 Just to see The Jags win in the last possession. (By a fieldgoal instead of a TD).

Different weather, same outcome.

Giants over Cowboys.Why?Cowboys are falling apart.
Seahawks over Packers.Why?Packers are falling apart.

Not sure if I'd agree 100%- Terrell Owens should be back for the divisional round, and Green Bay is essentially unbeatable at Lambeau Field. That said, I don't think the rest of the NFC (what's left, anyway) is that far behind Dallas and Green Bay that they wouldn't have a shot- just not a big one, that's all.

nope.

act#1 The Jags steadily builds a big lead during first 3/4 of the game (15 or more).
act#2 Ben 11th hour heroics allows Steelers to tie the game.
act#3 Just to see The Jags win in the last possession. (By a fieldgoal instead of a TD).

Different weather, same outcome.It figures I'd talk the Steelers up and then they'd underachieve again.

Damn looks like Tampa Bay is out. Looked as if they were going to roll over the NYG. Apparently they figured out they were playing a NFL game and went on to roll Tampa Bay.

Titans in control at the half.

SD 4th and 1 on the 2 yard line. They take the Field Goal

6-3.

Tomlinson can't buy yards but Rivers has learnt how to pass.

Chargers came to life. Almost similar to the Giants-Tampa Bay game. Should be a good weekend of football next week.

The Jaguars have been like Michigan State use to be in college football. They always win by a hair and ruin the seasons of much better teams by having good games occasionally, but never when it really counts for them.

It figures I'd talk the Steelers up and then they'd underachieve again.

I got so pissed last night at that game. I knew the instant that when they missed the 2 pt conversions, that it would bite them in the ass for not taking the PAT field goals. and it came down to the final fawking minute. Needless to say, I went outside and punched my car. It has a few new nice dents in it now :(

The Jaguars have been like Michigan State use to be in college football. They always win by a hair and ruin the seasons of much better teams by having good games occasionally, but never when it really counts for them.

The true test of that theory is next week.

The Jaguars... They always win by a hair ...

Sep 9 Tennessee L 10-13
Sep 16 Atlanta W 13-7
Sep 23 @ Denver W 23-14
BYE WEEK
Oct 7 @ Kansas City W 17-7
Oct 14 Houston W 37-17
Oct 28 @ Tampa Bay W 24-23
Nov 4 @ New Orleans L 24-41
Nov 11 @ Tennessee W 28-13
Nov 18 San Diego W 24-17
Nov 25 Buffalo W 36-14
Dec 2 @ Indianapolis L 25-28
Dec 9 Carolina W 37-6
Dec 16 @ Pittsburgh W 29-22
Dec 23 Oakland W 49-11
Dec 30 @ Houston L 28-42

only time they won by a hair was oct 28, all the other wins are by an average of 15 points.
The Jaguars... ruin the seasons of much better teams by having good games occasionally, but never when it really counts for them.playoff win at Pittsburgh, did not count? :confused:

interesting.

The Jaguars... ruin the seasons of much better teams by having good games occasionally..what better team especifically?

1. Thanks for the list, and as you can see, nearly every important win they had was by less than a touchdown. I don't mean every single game, but the important ones they scrape by in.

2. A Wildcard or Divisional win means nothing. The Jaguars like Michigan State, will never be the champions.

3. This year, they beat Pittsburgh who are a much better team. Just like Michigan State always ruined at least one team's season.

I don't think it's impossible for them to beat the Patriots after a rest period, that would be an even bigger example. They could beat good teams, but they'll never be the champs.

You are missing what I'm saying. You can go 18-0, but if you lose the Super Bowl, it's meaningless. You might as well have gone 10-6 and barely scraped in because you are a loser that year. The Jaguars, like MSU, will not win a national championship, but they will keep hanging around for awhile. That's the kind of team they are. A spoiler team, not a championship team.

3. This year, they beat Pittsburgh who are a much better team.if they are a much better team why did they they lose twice at home to the Jags.. sunshine or snow..

2. A Wildcard win means nothing.:rolleyes:

a wildcard game is a must win game.

you lose and your season is over.
Its called a deathmatch.

That's just the way it is in football. How did an 0-14 team beat anyone? It happens. The Jaguars are a spoiler team, nothing more.

You are missing what I'm saying. You can go 18-0, but if you lose the Super Bowl, it's meaningless. You might as well have gone 10-6 and barely scraped in because you are a loser that year. The Jaguars, like MSU, will not win a national championship, but they will keep hanging around for awhile. That's the kind of team they are. A spoiler team, not a championship team.

I'd say the only reason why Jacksonville won't beat New England is the fact the Patriots are just so much better than everyone else- I doubt *anyone* could beat them. As far as the Jaguars being a "spoiler": I'd say they deserved the victory over the Steelers, since for three quarters of the game they dominated- they only edged it out because they loosened up a little bit early in the fourth quarter. The tide of play clearly went Jacksonville's way, hence their victory.

Figures it would be the Giants that ruin my chance at picking them perfectly in the wild-card round.

*shakes fist*

I got so pissed last night at that game. I knew the instant that when they missed the 2 pt conversions, that it would bite them in the ass for not taking the PAT field goals. and it came down to the final fawking minute. Needless to say, I went outside and punched my car. It has a few new nice dents in it now :(You have a point - if they'd gotten both PATs, it would've went into overtime.
Or gotten one of those conversions, of course.

You have a point - if they'd gotten both PATs, it would've went into overtime.
Or gotten one of those conversions, of course.

The first one they should have just kicked it after the penalty instead of trying again- 12 yards is a lot of ground to make up in one shot. The second time around I agreed with it, since it was done most likely because the first one failed.

However, as much in hindsight we can say "Mike Tomlin should have went for PAT's instead of conversions", I'd say the real reason why the Steelers lost was not stopping Jacksonville on 4th and 2- then the game would have been over and no one would even worry about those two lost points. We only think about them because of the game's final score.

The first one they should have just kicked it after the penalty instead of trying again- 12 yards is a lot of ground to make up in one shot. The second time around I agreed with it, since it was done most likely because the first one failed.

However, as much in hindsight we can say "Mike Tomlin should have went for PAT's instead of conversions", I'd say the real reason why the Steelers lost was not stopping Jacksonville on 4th and 2- then the game would have been over and no one would even worry about those two lost points. We only think about them because of the game's final score.

No one mentions the fact that the Steelers turned over the ball on their last potential game winning drive? All they had to do was get into FG range and it would have been over.

No one mentions the fact that the Steelers turned over the ball on their last potential game winning drive? All they had to do was get into FG range and it would have been over.you are making it sound as if it was a likely outcome.

you are forgetting 2 factors:

1# 37 seconds left on the clock with no timeouts.
2# Jaguars Defense is not the Rams Defense. :D

I another words "it is easier said that done".

No one mentions the fact that the Steelers turned over the ball on their last potential game winning drive? All they had to do was get into FG range and it would have been over.

That's also true, although I think getting a stop on 4th and 2 is easier than going up the field in 37 seconds with no timeouts. Still points to the fact that Pittsburgh's loss had more to do than just two missed conversions.

1. Thanks for the list, and as you can see, nearly every important win they had was by less than a touchdown. I don't mean every single game, but the important ones they scrape by in.

2. A Wildcard or Divisional win means nothing. The Jaguars like Michigan State, will never be the champions.

3. This year, they beat Pittsburgh who are a much better team. Just like Michigan State always ruined at least one team's season.

I don't think it's impossible for them to beat the Patriots after a rest period, that would be an even bigger example. They could beat good teams, but they'll never be the champs.

That's just the way it is in football. How did an 0-14 team beat anyone? It happens. The Jaguars are a spoiler team, nothing more.

I bet you thought those grapes were sour anyway, right mister fox?

Meaning? I couldn't care less if they beat the Steelers, I'm certainly not a fan.

I'm just not a fan of spoiler teams who have no chance at winning the championship though and play good in spots. I've always hated those teams in college football especially.

No one mentions the fact that the Steelers turned over the ball on their last potential game winning drive? All they had to do was get into FG range and it would have been over.

The jags played like bitches in that game, they got lucky that the steelers screwed up, I can promise Brady won't throw 3 ints in that game! Pats all the way!

The jags played like bitches in that game, they got lucky that the steelers screwed up, I can promise Brady won't throw 3 ints in that game! Pats all the way!

Going up 28-10 is lucky? David Garrad alertly running 35 yards on 4th and 2 to set up the eventual game-winning field-goal is lucky? Forcing a last-second fumble on the next drive is lucky? I agree that the New England Patriots will beat the Jacksonville Jaguars, but the Jags are far from a "lucky" team.

Going up 28-10 is lucky? David Garrad alertly running 35 yards on 4th and 2 to set up the eventual game-winning field-goal is lucky? Forcing a last-second fumble on the next drive is lucky? I agree that the New England Patriots will beat the Jacksonville Jaguars, but the Jags are far from a "lucky" team.

But how confident do you feel that Garrard is a good enough QB to beat the Patriots? He was 9-21 with only 140 yards passing! And how confident are you in their running game? Garrard was the leading rusher for the game (ahead of Taylor, their feature back), largely b/c of the 32 yards he gained on that fourth down conversion (rather flukely, eh?)...

Rain, snow, wind or sun, the Patriots are going to beat Jacksonville.

The Chargers-Colts game, however, now I don't know who will come out of that game...

Rain, snow, wind or sun, the Patriots are going to beat Jacksonville...I say weather is very important for this Jags-Pats game.

But how confident do you feel that Garrard is a good enough QB to beat the Patriots? He was 9-21 with only 140 yards passing! And how confident are you in their running game? Garrard was the leading rusher for the game (ahead of Taylor, their feature back), largely b/c of the 32 yards he gained on that fourth down conversion (rather flukely, eh?)...

Rain, snow, wind or sun, the Patriots are going to beat Jacksonville.

The Chargers-Colts game, however, now I don't know who will come out of that game...

In that post you quoted of mine, I also said that the Patriots would beat Jacksonville:

Going up 28-10 is lucky? David Garrad alertly running 35 yards on 4th and 2 to set up the eventual game-winning field-goal is lucky? Forcing a last-second fumble on the next drive is lucky? I agree that the New England Patriots will beat the Jacksonville Jaguars, but the Jags are far from a "lucky" team.

I was merely refuting the idea that Jacksonville didn't deserve the victory over the Steelers because they were "lucky"- they deserved it because they played better. My stance on the New England-Jacksonville game, however, has to do with the fact I just don't see a way anyone can beat that Patriots team (no matter how good they are).

As for Indianapolis-San Diego: the Chargers did lay 21 points on the Colts before Peyton Manning knew the game had started, but they did only wind up winning by two points and that was only because Adam Vinatieri misplayed an easy field goal. Plus, the game was in San Diego. This time it's in Indianapolis and Marvin Harrison should be back for this game, so I think the scales are tipped Indy's way. That said, Manning and the Colts still have a dangerous history of slow starts in the playoffs (let's not forget, they were down 18 towards the end of the first half of the game against New England last season) and the Chargers should be inspired to play well considering they beat Indianapolis previously in the season so it could very well go down to the wire.

I'd say the only reason why Jacksonville won't beat New England is the fact the Patriots are just so much better than everyone else- I doubt *anyone* could beat them.I still wish the Jags -or anyone else- breaks their teeth..

I want to see the Pats bite the dust.. on this game or on the next.

BTW, congrats to GreenBay for their victory over the Seahawks.

BTW, congrats to GreenBay for their victory over the Seahawks.

Seahawks went up a quick 14-0 and then got their asses handed to them. Got to hand it to Favre that guy is a legend. Could you believe that snow too?

I still wish the Jags -or anyone else- breaks their teeth..

I want to see the Pats bite the dust.. on this game or on the next.

Tied at half and the Jags QB is just as good as Brady at the moment. Will be an interesting second half.

Patriots Defeat the Jacksonville Jaguars 31-20

Congratulations to the Patriots who will face the winner of tomorrow's Chargers-Colts matchup.

If Pats = Lose, then Me = Happy.

If Pats go all the way, then I'm going to dedicate myself to figuring out a way to pull meteors out of space and impact Massachusetts. And the Bush ranch out in Texas.

Wish someone could knock the Pats off...also, go Cowboys

Wish someone could knock the Pats off...also, go Cowboys

Cowboys are going down.

If Pats = Lose, then Me = Happy.

If Pats go all the way, then I'm going to dedicate myself to figuring out a way to pull meteors out of space and impact Massachusetts. And the Bush ranch out in Texas.I had a dream about someone getting Brady on the knees :D

Seahawks went up a quick 14-0 and then got their asses handed to them. Got to hand it to Favre that guy is a legend. Could you believe that snow too?

That play was unbelievable. Getting a screen pass off for a first down just before he gets sacked and only seeing the receiver at the last minute...incredible.

Something tells me if there's a quarterback who could beat New England, it's Brett Favre. That kind of ingenuity is one-of-a-kind.

*crosses fingers for a Giants/Chargers Super Bowl*

*crosses fingers for a Giants/Chargers Super Bowl*

That would be so lame, though. A Packers/Patriots Super Bowl would be the stuff of legend.

And if Favre upsets the Pats and retires? Oh man, that would be such a heavy blow.

Yeah, but both of those teams are evil.
Though the Packers significantly less so.

Yeah, but Philip Rivers is a dick.

That would be so lame, though. A Packers/Patriots Super Bowl would be the stuff of legend.

And if Favre upsets the Pats and retires? Oh man, that would be such a heavy blow.Yeah, but both of those teams are evil.
Though the Packers significantly less so.

Seahawks went up a quick 14-0 and then got their asses handed to them. Got to hand it to Favre that guy is a legend. Could you believe that snow too?

That loss was classic Seattle.

I don't have even basic cable anymore, and the local Fox affiliate doesn't come in over the air with my rabbit ears. So a good friend in Seattle calls up to tell me about the two fumbles and the Seahawks' 14-0 lead. I didn't even crack a a smile when I said "only up 14 and you're excited? How long have you known this team?" The next time I went to ESPN online to watch the live stat representation of the game, it was 21-17 Packers, and I thought, "once again", and was not remotely surprised to see the 42-20 final score.

You fuckers in Chicago and New York can complain all you want about pro sports futility, but when it comes to promise unfulfilled and truly teasing the hearts of a pro sports fan, there is no worse city to call your home team town than Seattle. *sigh* Best of luck to Favre and the Pack -- the only team left worth rooting for.

That loss was classic Seattle.

I don't have even basic cable anymore, and the local Fox affiliate doesn't come in over the air with my rabbit ears. So a good friend in Seattle calls up to tell me about the two fumbles and the Seahawks' 14-0 lead. I didn't even crack a a smile when I said "only up 14 and you're excited? How long have you known this team?" The next time I went to ESPN online to watch the live stat representation of the game, it was 21-17 Packers, and I thought, "once again", and was not remotely surprised to see the 42-20 final score.

You fuckers in Chicago and New York can complain all you want about pro sports futility, but when it comes to promise unfulfilled and truly teasing the hearts of a pro sports fan, there is no worse city to call your home team town than Seattle. *sigh* Best of luck to Favre and the Pack -- the only team left worth rooting for.

Mike Holmgren and Matt Hasselbeck being the NFL's biggest fucking whiners doesn't help much, either.

I'm rooting for the Packers, but if New England ends up winning, I won't be disappointed... 19-0 is a hell of an achievement.

What a game !!

Congrats to San Diego and to all Charger Fans. On a great upset Victory..

Now I'm definitely rooting for New England next week.

Congrats to Giants fans.. I hope the Giants get Brady's knee if The chargers fail to do so :D

GIANTS WIN!!!! GIANTS WIN!!!!

What a game !!

Congrats to San Diego and to all Charger Fans. On a great upset Victory..

They beat the Colts with a backup QB on the game winning drive! Indy should be ashamed.

GIANTS WIN!!!! GIANTS WIN!!!!

We knew this was going to happen. Giants in Green Bay next week. Going to be a blow out.

Now I'm definitely rooting for New England next week.

Shouldn't be a tough game for Brady and Co. However when they play Green Bay in the Superbowl it should be a good game.

We knew this was going to happen. Giants in Green Bay next week. Going to be a blow out.

One never knows. Depends on which team wants it more.

One never knows. Depends on which team wants it more.

Dude, it's Brett Favre playing in Lambeau. Nothing can stop him.

As I said, Jacksonville is a spoiler team, nothing more. I thought they actually had a chance when NE had that bs chop block penalty that took away a touch down before half time, but even that couldn't save em.

And once again we see this year that running quarterbacks do not win professional championships until they make up about 80% of the teams, like in college football now. It's just a shame that despite the fact that they don't win Super Bowls, every time continues to recruit quarterbacks who look to run whenever they can.

Dude, it's Brett Favre playing in Lambeau. Nothing can stop him. Michael Vick


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GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) -- It looked so perfect for Green Bay. Snow falling. Packers in green and gold. Lambeau Field in January.

Only it wasn't Brett Favre making all the plays, It was Michael Vick.

Brett Favre suffered his first-ever loss at home in the playoffs Saturday at snowy Lambeau.

The 22-year-old improvisational genius led the Atlanta Falcons to a shocking 27-7 upset of the Packers in a wild-card playoff before a record crowd of 65,358 stunned souls.

The Packers (12-5) were the only team to go unbeaten at home during the regular season. And they had never lost a home playoff game since the NFL instituted a postseason in 1933 in going 13-0 -- 11 of the wins coming at Lambeau and two more in Milwaukee.

As I said, Jacksonville is a spoiler team, nothing more. I thought they actually chance when NE had that bs chop block penalty that took away a touch down before half time....If someone does the same non-chop block move to Brady -after the play has stopped- you would not call it a penalty, would you ;)

Michael Vick


And how long ago was that?

Favre has his best team, and is playing his best football in years. And now that the Pack finally have a running game, I just don't see them losing until the Super Bowl.

And how long ago was that?
You made an statement.
:
it's Brett Favre playing in Lambeau. Nothing can stop him.and it turns out Micheal Vick did kick Favre's ass - at the CheeseLands - on the playoffs - with the snow over the frozen tundra.

You statement should be it's Brett Favre playing in Lambeau. Almost Nothing can stop him.;)

If someone does the same non-chop block move to Brady -after the play has stopped- you would not call it a penalty, would you ;)

The refs would have thrown an Unsportsmanlike Conduct flag on the person that does it after the play and tack on 15yds at the end of said play.

The refs would have thrown an Unsportsmanlike Conduct flag on the person that does it after the play and tack on 15yds at the end of said play.as they should. That Chop block -from behind- went clearly for the knees while the targeted player was engaged with another patriot - after the play was stopped.

Its as bad as the Patriot finger aiming for the eye on the Giants game.

as they should. That Chop block -from behind- went clearly for the knees while the targeted player was engaged with another patriot - after the play was stopped.

Well I did not see the play in question so I shall not comment on it. I will say this, if it happened AFTER the play was stopped then it is not a chop block but a late hit call. In order for it to be a chop block, it had to happen while the play was still going on.

Its as bad as the Patriot finger aiming for the eye on the Giants game.

That I saw but the ref did not see it.

Peyton Manning must be thinking those San Diego Chargers defenders have tentacles or something. After seeing Antonio Cromartie's one-handed grab during the regular season and Eric Weddle's one-handed grab while being blocked by Jeff Saturday I can't see how Manning could think in any other way. The Chargers' defence played out of its mind and were thus well-deserving of its win- and hey, you never know, they could very well be the sleeper team that gets to the Super Bowl (yes I said it).

That said, I also know it'll be a longshot, but wouldn't it be funny if the Patriots and Giants met for the Super Bowl? It'd be a weird case of symmetry: the Giants had a chance to end New England's unbeaten run in the regular season and would also have a chance to do the same in the playoffs. Only this time we know the NFL won't have to do any wrangling to get the game covered nationally :p.

Peyton Manning must be thinking those San Diego Chargers defenders have tentacles or something. After seeing Antonio Cromartie's one-handed grab during the regular season and Eric Weddle's one-handed grab while being blocked by Jeff Saturday I can't see how Manning could think in any other way. The Chargers' defence played out of its mind and were thus well-deserving of its win- and hey, you never know, they could very well be the sleeper team that gets to the Super Bowl (yes I said it).

That said, I also know it'll be a longshot, but wouldn't it be funny if the Patriots and Giants met for the Super Bowl? It'd be a weird case of symmetry: the Giants had a chance to end New England's unbeaten run in the regular season and would also have a chance to do the same in the playoffs. Only this time we know the NFL won't have to do any wrangling to get the game covered nationally :p.




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BEST SUPER BOWL EVER! BRING IT ON!

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BEST SUPER BOWL EVER! BRING IT ON!

I like how the Giants' helmet is smaller than the Patriots' helmet...is that intentional?

It hurts me to say this as a Bears fan, but the Packers will go to the Superbowl. I really do not want to see the Patriots go undefeated as Bellichick is a whiny bitch. Can the Chargers please beat him?

Michael Vick



Please don't mention that name. The Falcons are now the most hated team in the NFL thanks to Vick. We went to the super bowl back in 1998 and we've never been back. Doesn't look like will be back anytime soon.

Please don't mention that name. The Falcons are now the most hated team in the NFL thanks to Vick. We went to the super bowl back in 1998 and we've never been back. Doesn't look like will be back anytime soon.

Michael Vick played well in that game...just because he did something horrible later on in his career doesn't change that fact. Besides, I don't hate the Atlanta Falcons because of it- they didn't run the dog-fighting ring, did they?

Michael Vick played well in that game...just because he did something horrible later on in his career doesn't change that fact. Besides, I don't hate the Atlanta Falcons because of it- they didn't run the dog-fighting ring, did they?


It's gonna take the Falcons another 7 to 10 years to get over this s*** with Vick and Bobby "the tratior" Petrino. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Petrino#Pro_coaching_career) Maybe then we can finally win a superbowl. If you google "Falcons Suck" you'll get a lot of hits for anti-falcons/Vick sites. Apparently people think all the Falcons were involved.

Please don't mention that name.Michael Vick.

free speech is a beach. you dont have to be rich - to enjoy

It's gonna take the Falcons another 7 to 10 years to get over this s*** with Vick and ...Maybe then we can finally win a superbowl. If you google "Falcons Suck" you'll get a lot of hits for anti-falcons/Vick sites. Apparently people think all the Falcons were involved.all that shit does not erase what he did on the field.
His victories do not have an asterisk in-my-book .
like Bonds, Clemens do and I have an asterisk for the Patriots Championships too.

It's gonna take the Falcons another 7 to 10 years to get over this s*** with Vick and Bobby "the tratior" Petrino. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Petrino#Pro_coaching_career) Maybe then we can finally win a superbowl. If you google "Falcons Suck" you'll get a lot of hits for anti-falcons/Vick sites. Apparently people think all the Falcons were involved.

I can understand why you're upset- what happened to Atlanta is very unfortunate (although I don't think it'll be 7-10 years- Matt Ryan and Matt Flynn (especially Flynn) are available for the draft so the turnaround should very well be sooner), but Vick did all his work before he did all of his misdeeds, and since the Falcons weren't involved, there's no reason to invalidate the successes of yesteryear because of it. I can understand the betrayal though.

What he did on the field?

Vick didn't win shit. You either win the Super Bowl or you don't. Marino will always be a guy that couldn't win the big one. Trent Dilfer has a better career than either of them. That says it all. And I'm not comparing Vick to Marino at all as a player, only in not being able to win the only thing that's important in football. The championship.

And people saying the Falcons are doing terrible because of this are wrong. Their overall team sucks, with or without Vick.

What he did on the field?

Vick didn't win shit. You either win the Super Bowl or you don't. Marino will always be a guy that couldn't win the big one. Trent Dilfer has a better career than either of them. That says it all. And I'm not comparing Vick to Marino at all as a player, only in not being able to win the only thing that's important in football. The championship.

And people saying the Falcons are doing terrible because of this are wrong. Their overall team sucks, with or without Vick.

That reminds me Marino's last game was against the Jag's and Miami lost 62-7.

You know, to take this off topic for a bit. I've been thinking about my team the Carolina Panthers, and I think I know what their problem is. It's not that they don't have good defense, or that their Offense isn't good (although they could use a good Running Back), it's Coach John Fox. Now it is true that John Fox lead the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2004 but John Fox strategy of playing a close game isn't working. His strategy is to basically play a close game and hopes that the other team screws up. I think John Fox is a nice guy, and I wouldn't mind having a beer with him, but I don't think he's out there to win it.

In short, John Fox needs to be replaced for the Carolina Panthers to ever have another chance at the Super Bowl.

/hijack.

Please don't mention that name. The Falcons are now the most hated team in the NFL thanks to Vick. We went to the super bowl back in 1998 and we've never been back. Doesn't look like will be back anytime soon.

After that embarrassing display against the Denver Broncos, that is no surprise. :D

all that shit does not erase what he did on the field.
His victories do not have an asterisk in-my-book .
like Bonds, Clemens and the Patriots do.

Until someone proves Bonds and Clemens guilty, their victories have no asteriks in my book at all. As to the Patriots, I have no victories in my book with an asterik either.

Okay, so I still hold a grudge against the Cowboys from last decade, but I gotta admit they were showing some pretty hot offense against the Giants. I enjoy seeing the game played well.

Of course, that didn't stop me from laughing my ass off when poor Romo was practically throwing a tantrum over how the Giants kept rushing him. Or from cheering that final endzone interception. ;)

Okay, so I still hold a grudge against the Cowboys from last decade, but I gotta admit they were showing some pretty hot offense against the Giants. I enjoy seeing the game played well.

Of course, that didn't stop me from laughing my ass off when poor Romo was practically throwing a tantrum over how the Giants kept rushing him. Or from cheering that final endzone interception. ;)

I think Romo's problem is this: http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/s/simpson4/20050305_war_l90_157.jpg

I think Romo's problem is this: http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/s/simpson4/20050305_war_l90_157.jpg
Kind of like how Tom Brady's problem is this?

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What he did on the field?

Vick didn't win shit. You either win the Super Bowl or you don't. Marino will always be a guy that couldn't win the big one. Trent Dilfer has a better career than either of them. That says it all. And I'm not comparing Vick to Marino at all as a player, only in not being able to win the only thing that's important in football. The championship.

And people saying the Falcons are doing terrible because of this are wrong. Their overall team sucks, with or without Vick.

99.998% of everybody will say otherwise.

Marino didn't lose the Super Bowl. The Dolphins lost the Super Bowl to a legendary (and ridiculously stacked) 49ers team, and all things considered, they actually did pretty well against them. And don't forget that Marino's Dolphins never had a half-decent running game, not even at the end of his career (when Jimmy Johnson totally killed any momentum they might've had by switching to a run-heavy offense when they had poor blocking and even poorer running backs).

Dan had a running game at Pitt, and he won a National Championship against Georgia in a very memorable game. John Elway had no running game at Stanford, and not in four years did he ever make a bowl appearance... However, he finally won two straight Super Bowls when Shanahan took over and gave him some relief in the form of Terrell Davis.

Until someone proves Bonds and Clemens guilty, their victories have no asteriks in my book at all. As to the Patriots, I have no victories in my book with an asterik either.Thats your problem not mine.

I dont support cheaters.

I think Romo's problem is this: http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/s/simpson4/20050305_war_l90_157.jpg

I blame more Tony Romo's receivers (who kept dropping balls) than Romo himself, although I do admit he let the pressure get to him in the end (that endzone interception to seal the game was simply a bad throw).

I blame more Tony Romo's receivers (who kept dropping balls) than Romo himself, although I do admit he let the pressure get to him in the end (that endzone interception to seal the game was simply a bad throw).The 3 best QB i have seen this weekend are Brady, Favre and Garrard.

and I have to give some credit to the replacement QB that killed the Colts.

The 3 best QB i have seen this weekend are Brady, Favre and Garrard.

and I have to give some credit to the replacement QB that killed the Colts.

Billy Volek. Add to that the replacement RB (Michael Turner) who gave Volek valuable relief to make all the plays that he did.

The Chargers' performance is that much more incredible since they did it with their best players (Antonio Gates, Philip Rivers and LaDainian Tomlinson) out or hobbled for much of the contest; and they beat the Indianapolis Colts' A-Team (okay, it was minus Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders got shaken up during the game but Marvin Harrison returned though somewhat ignominiously in that second series). They could provide quite a surprise to the Patriots.

Kind of like how Tom Brady's problem is this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gisele_Bundchen2.jpg

Brady's problem is not as good as Romo's problem IMO. As you know some don't let the other sex get in their heads to far. I think it is just part of Romo's problem.

Brady's problem isn't Bundchen -- who is not that hot, incidentally...why the long face? -- if there's prettiness involved with Brady's problem, it's the result of looking in a mirror.

Brady's problem isn't Bundchen -- who is not that hot, incidentally...why the long face? -- if there's prettiness involved with Brady's problem, it's the result of looking in a mirror.

Brady's girlfriend is easy on the eyes but no Jessica Simpson. I agree that Brady is probably better looking then his girlfriend. I never get why people go for the to skinny models.

For real. I never got the Gisele thing. His ex is much hotter. But I don't get why celebrities just want one chick anyway.

For real. I never got the Gisele thing. His ex is much hotter. But I don't get why celebrities just want one chick anyway.

QFT

If I was that rich and famous, I'd hire a private doctor to travel with me and test all my prospective women for STD's so I didn't have to wear a pleasure killing condom. Even if you get them pregnant, you can afford to pay them off.

If I was that rich and famous, I'd hire a private doctor to travel with me and test all my prospective women for STD's so I didn't have to wear a pleasure killing condom. Even if you get them pregnant, you can afford to pay them off.

I don't know about that. Ever heard of Magic Johnson and the Hiv? Maybe Sean Kemp and all his babies momma's?

That's the whole point of having the doctor to test them.

Well the point of that is things get by the testing. But anyway a life of women throwing themselves at you would probably get boring......













Yeah right. :D

That's the whole point of having the doctor to test them. Condoms suck!!!!!

Come on, if you have a good private doctor testing every single woman you are going to have sex with, I think you can be positive that those who have an STD will get caught. If you have private screenings going on, I'd say that you'd have to be very, very unlucky for a girl with the Herp or AIDS to somehow get passed it. It's just like the blood supply now, it just doesn't happen.

Of course if you are rich enough you can also import women from abroad for that sole purpose.

But I don't get why celebrities just want one chick anyway.

Imagine, I guess. There's too many people who'll justify not being a fan of someone simply because they're not monogamous since it goes against "having a good moral fibre) (regardless of what effect that actually has on the person's performance), so I suspect the lot of them simply appear monogamous just to appease that part of their fanbase.

Considering, though, that Brady went for Gisele while with Bridget Moynahan, something's telling me Brady's got more than one girlfriend we don't know about.

That's the whole point of having the doctor to test them. Condoms suck!!!!!

Only problem with that- the tests aren't that quick. The HIV test itself takes a week. It's a nice idea though.

Someone (preferably the Chargers) needs to beat the Cheatriots and that scumbag Belichicken.

It doesn't take that long, not even if you go to a regular hospital. You can get a swab HIV test that gets results in under 20 minutes and that's just with stuff anyone can get. You got the money for the equipment and you can probably get everything checked with a swab and not that much time.

And if she doesn't like it, then just get the next one and so on.

This is all just what if stuff. Personally I don't think I'd be able to deal with having paparazzi in my face all the time. I like things simple too. So I wouldn't do well with a huge mansion and all that. I like small houses and simple furnishings. I love my house now.

all that shit does not erase what he did on the field.
His victories do not have an asterisk in-my-book .
like Bonds, Clemens do and I have an asterisk for the Patriots Championships too.

Yes it does. He'll probaly spemd the next couple of years in prison.


I can understand why you're upset- what happened to Atlanta is very unfortunate (although I don't think it'll be 7-10 years- Matt Ryan and Matt Flynn (especially Flynn) are available for the draft so the turnaround should very well be sooner), but Vick did all his work before he did all of his misdeeds, and since the Falcons weren't involved, there's no reason to invalidate the successes of yesteryear because of it. I can understand the betrayal though.

We'll I do have hope. We got a new GM Tom Dimitroff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Dimitroff). Now we need a new hed coach.

As for the XLII Superbowl. I'm rooting for the Pats.

It doesn't take that long, not even if you go to a regular hospital. You can get a swab HIV test that gets results in under 20 minutes and that's just with stuff anyone can get. You got the money for the equipment and you can probably get everything checked with a swab and not that much time.HIV can be in your system for up to six months before it shows up on a test, because the way they test for it is by testing for HIV antibodies.

Yes it does. He'll probaly spemd the next couple of years in prison.I can put an asterisk on the Pats, Bonds, and Clemens.

But I canNOT put an asterisk on Michael Vick. Because Vick did not (cheat) try to use an unfair advantage to win.

That would be like putting an asterisk on Ray Lewis for the extra-curricular activities he had.

I can put an asterisk on the Pats, Bonds, and Clemens.

Well, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens haven't actually been proven to have used steroids since both cases are unresolved in the courts (although Clemens, who did launch a counterattack against his critics unlike Bonds who just denied, has more to prove than Bonds does), so I'd withhold the asterisk for a while there.

As for the Patriots (since their misdeeds were actually proven), if this was European soccer, that victory against the Jets would have been nullified (if not the entire season). Makes the NFL's action tame by comparison.

As for the Patriots (since their misdeeds were actually proven), if this was European soccer, that victory against the Jets would have been nullified (if not the entire season). Makes the NFL's action tame by comparison.true.
The team would lose more than a pick or 2 In Europe they lose the rigth to host games (its an economic/competitive penalty for the Team)...and Belicheat would have been suspended in Europe, for at least 2 seasons.

true.
The team would lose more than a pick or 2 In Europe they lose the rigth to host games (its an economic/competitive penalty for the Team)...and Belicheat would have been suspended in Europe, for at least 2 seasons.

I don't think it'd go as far as losing the fans for home games. When Juventus were convicted of influencing refereeing decisions for its games in 2004-05 and 2005-06, their results were nullified, the team relegated to Serie B for the first time in club history, the club's titles confiscated (with the 2005-06 title handed to rivals Inter Milan) and the club's director- Luciano Moggi, the one who actually committed the crimes- suspended from soccer for five years. The fans nor the players- who were not shown to have done anything wrong- were not punished, meaning Juventus didn't involuntarily lose any players or fans for its home dates.

Given that, since the NFL doesn't have a lower division, I think compartively the Patriots would have forfeited the game against the Jets (since none of their other results were shown to be faulty), and Bill Belichick probably would have been suspended for at least a game (since it was his coaching staff that did the videotaping). In any case, stripping the Patriots of draft picks not only doesn't seem relevant at all to the situation (since it's not like the draft rules or player personnel rules were broken), it also made no difference as New England has the San Francisco 49ers' first-round draft pick. Since I'm very much of the maxim "the punishment has to fit the crime" (at least when it comes to things like this) and that Roger Goddell had come down hard on players in the past I was certain we'd get a European-style decision- instead, we just get a soft, meaningless decision. :rolleyes:

It affected nothing. They never got any information. The team was penalized, but it's just ridiculous to say that it had any impact on the season at all. It seems to be just plain stupid to want a team suspended for something the players had nothing to with and didn't give them any benefit at all. I don't know why anyone would want that kind of thing to happen in sports.

If this had been an ongoing thing that has proven to have an impact on the game or season, that's one thing. But this was something that was caught right away and it affected nothing on the field. If they had forced a forfeit, then the NFL would be a joke. Then again, until they do something about the officiating, it is a joke.

As for the Patriots (since their misdeeds were actually proven), if this was European soccer, that victory against the Jets would have been nullified (if not the entire season). Makes the NFL's action tame by comparison.

Only because the NFL's rules in this respect are utterly pathetic to start with. The Patriots could not possibly have gained any advantage from the position of that camera, nor could anyone else, so why is there a rule against it? UEFA, or any of the national football authorities in Europe would not bother trying to regulate something so downright irrelevant.

As such the game would not be nullified, no punishment would be forthcoming, because there would have been no infraction.

For me there is no asterisk against any of the Patriot's results this year (much though I loathe them as a team) as the infraction was one that made absolutely no difference whatsoever to the outcome of the game, nor could it have made any difference.

true.
The team would lose more than a pick or 2 In Europe they lose the rigth to host games (its an economic/competitive penalty for the Team)...and Belicheat would have been suspended in Europe, for at least 2 seasons.

I think you are misjudging somewhat.

When Luis Philipe Scolari (the coach of the Portuguese national team) went and punched an opposition player in the face, all he received was a three match ban from being on the sideline. Two seasons - no chance. (Even if the offence had been something meaningful)

It affected nothing. They never got any information. The team was penalized, but it's just ridiculous to say that it had any impact on the season at all. It seems to be just plain stupid to want a team suspended for something the players had nothing to with and didn't give them any benefit at all. I don't know why anyone would want that kind of thing to happen in sports.

If this had been an ongoing thing that has proven to have an impact on the game or season, that's one thing. But this was something that was caught right away and it affected nothing on the field. If they had forced a forfeit, then the NFL would be a joke. Then again, until they do something about the officiating, it is a joke.

There's no other purpose videotaping signals serves than to influence the outcome of the game in question. Otherwise, what's Belichick taping it for? Interest? I doubt the Jets would use the same signals in the next game anyway, especially if "signal-stealing" is a well-known practice. I know that the game result itself wasn't immediately affected, but the practice itself serves no other purpose- hence why I thought the game should have been forfeited to the Jets.

Not that it would matter much anyway- the Jets would still miss the playoffs by a mile and the Patriots would have sewn up every regular season title imaginable by the end of November anyway. The '72 Dolphins may be the only ones complaining, but, then again, the matter's overwith so there's no much else that can be done now.

But it had zero impact on the game. Why force a forfeit? I just don't get that. They played a a fair game unaffected by the camera and got beat. Why give them a win they didn't deserve because it's possible that someone on the Patriots wanted to cheat/ Fining them was the right thing to do.

The '72 Dolphins are the most classless POS I have ever seen. Especially Shula.

The '72 Dolphins are the most classless POS I have ever seen. Especially Shula.Did the Dolphins cheat?

... it's possible that someone on the Patriots wanted to cheat/ Fining them was the right thing to do. Yeah the NFL should have asked the Patriots to fire Bilicheat. And take one away additional draft pick for every month hey keep the cheater on the Job.

But it had zero impact on the game. Why force a forfeit? I just don't get that. They played a a fair game unaffected by the camera and got beat. Why give them a win they didn't deserve because it's possible that someone on the Patriots wanted to cheat/ Fining them was the right thing to do.

It doesn't matter if the move worked or not- the intent is still there, and videotaping an opponent's signals is clearly in violation of NFL rules since it gives the team an unfair advantage. The only charge Italian soccer giant Juventus were convicted of was influencing refereeing decisions and two of their titles were stripped- even though Juventus didn't win all of their games. If one team has an unfair advantage in a game- for whatever reason- even if the team didn't use it they still had that advantage and it's reason to say that the result should be nullified.

That said, I also know it'll be a longshot, but wouldn't it be funny if the Patriots and Giants met for the Super Bowl? It'd be a weird case of symmetry: the Giants had a chance to end New England's unbeaten run in the regular season and would also have a chance to do the same in the playoffs. Only this time we know the NFL won't have to do any wrangling to get the game covered nationally :p.

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HA! I CALLED IT! I CALLED IT!

:p

We are *sure* this game's going to be televised nationally, right? 'Cause last time we had a lot of problems with that...

Yeah, I think you called it. lol. It does have a "writing was on the wall" kind of feel to it.

Great game tonight, eh?

Well, I guess I'm eating my words tonight...

Yeah, I think you called it. lol. It does have a "writing was on the wall" kind of feel to it.

Great game tonight, eh?

They were both very invigorating, enteratining games very full of drama- a great seven hours of football indeed. :)

The only thing I don't like about the games is that I'd hate it if Cory Webster's interception actually turned out to be Brett Favre's last pass- he deserves a better exit.

I guess it's the NFC's turn to win this time.

My horrible nextdoor neighbors were clearly not rooting for the Giants. I was very, very pleased.

Who am I rooting for?

Both teams. I want to see an undefeated football team but yet, the Giants have not won a Super Bowl since 1991.

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HA! I CALLED IT! I CALLED IT!

:p

We are *sure* this game's going to be televised nationally, right? 'Cause last time we had a lot of problems with that...Good call

The odd part about my prediction was that it was just in jest...I mean, seriously, did we ever think the Giants could get past both Dallas and Green Bay? Still, I thought it'd be funny if the Giants had another opportunity to end the Patriots' unbeaten season...and here we are.

Of course, I have a much bigger issue to resolve than who will win the Super Bowl...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/images/01/18/packers_clicks.jpg

Who are those girls? :D

EDIT- Side note, those girls appeared- as presented- during the NFC Championship game, where the temperature was at -23F (or -30C).

I want to see the Pats bite the dust.. YESSSSS !!!!!!!

Party time baby, all nite long
*calls in sick for tomorrow* :D

Of course, I have a much bigger issue to resolve than who will win the Super Bowl...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/images/01/18/packers_clicks.jpg

Who are those girls? :D

EDIT- Side note, those girls appeared- as presented- during the NFC Championship game, where the temperature was at -23F (or -30C).

All hail Wisconsin and the rest of the far North.

ESPN : All season, the talk around the NFL was about whether the Patriots were the greatest team of all time. Turns out they weren't even the best team Sunday.
http://espn.go.com/

Im lovin it :D

YESSSSS !!!!!!!

Party time baby, all nite long
*calls in sick for tomorrow* :D

That game was ridiculous. I was certain after Randy Moss had scored that would be the game, but I underestimated the New York Giants.

Doesn't that decision to go for it on 4th and 13 (instead of kicking the field goal) look real bad right about now for Bill Belichick? Seems to me like the New England Patriots just "expected" to win and it led to their undoing.

I'm disappointed I didn't get to see history...I'm too young for the '72 Dolphins...but I will say I'm pleased to have witnessed the most unlikely of upsets of all time. Plus, that David Tyree catch will live in memory banks for a long time. I really think I saw The Greatest Game Ever Played.

Full marks to the Giants...they really and truly deserved it.

All hail Wisconsin and the rest of the far North.

:D

I did find out who they were. I admire them for their bravery (their beauty goes without question)...easily they're the best of the NFL's "superfans". Easily.

I did find out who they were. I admire them for their bravery (their beauty goes without question)...easily they're the best of the NFL's "superfans". Easily.

The one on the right (stage left) is easily the best of the three. As far as looks go, anyway.

The one on the right (stage left) is easily the best of the three. As far as looks go, anyway.

I think they all look great...but I have to agree with you there. I'm a sucker for blondes.

I think they all look great...but I have to agree with you there. I'm a sucker for blondes.

Likewise, though I'm not sure if being a natural blonde/blue myself has anything to do with that.

Likewise, though I'm not sure if being a natural blonde/blue myself has anything to do with that.

I'm not- I guess from my vantage point it's rare (that and the "blondeness" just seems to "shine" I guess). It also helps that the blonde one appears to have the biggest breasts :D.

Huzzah! The correct team won the Super Bowl!

I'm not- I guess from my vantage point it's rare (that and the "blondeness" just seems to "shine" I guess). It also helps that the blonde one appears to have the biggest breasts :D.

Well yeah, that's a given, but the main draw, at least for me, is that she has the most attractive face.

Well yeah, that's a given, but the main draw, at least for me, is that she has the most attractive face.

That's true too.

Anyway, to expand on it, the blonde one appears to be the most outgoing one, since she seems to be the Bikini Girl that responds to online articles and comments about the girls' experiences. The ones on the corners are related, the one in the middle is their cousin, and all are in their early '20s and college students. They go to the games with the blonde's dad, who's usually in most pictures (I believe on the right side, next to the blonde) but he's not in the picture I provided since no one but the girls and their sign is in focus. They've been doing this for six years and intentionally pick the coldest game of the year to do it. I'm not sure what inspired them, but I imagine it was just an idea at harmless fun ("what? Green Bay? Cold? Says who?!").

Finally, I shall sadly report that none of them are single...oh well. :(

Finally, I shall sadly report that none of them are single...oh well. :(

That's not the least bit surprising. :p

That's not the least bit surprising. :p

True...always seems to work out that way, doesn't it? The high profile women- not to mention the bikini-clad girls found on Facebook and MySpace- very rarely ever turn up single (at least from what I've seen). I'll at least admire from afar.

True...always seems to work out that way, doesn't it? The high profile women- not to mention the bikini-clad girls found on Facebook and MySpace- very rarely ever turn up single (at least from what I've seen). I'll at least admire from afar.

Yeah, but remember that a high profile doesn't always constitute the best looks or personality... Or a high level of intellect.

As it stands, as far as photos go, I can only comment on looks unless I happen to know the people in them personally... And looks, while important, just aren't enough.

True...always seems to work out that way, doesn't it? The high profile women- not to mention the bikini-clad girls found on Facebook and MySpace- very rarely ever turn up single.thats ok, I am only looking for a quick hit-and-run, I am not looking to get married :D

Yeah, but remember that a high profile doesn't always constitute the best looks or personality... Or a high level of intellect.

As it stands, as far as photos go, I can only comment on looks unless I happen to know the people in them personally... And looks, while important, just aren't enough.

That is true, although they are college students and I think their stunt says something about their character- they're courageous and carefree, so they'd be fun to be around. Maybe there's nothing else extraordinary after the fact they're in bikinis in -30C weather but there is something to go upon- it's not like these are just "average" bikini girls. It takes a special kind of girl to do it when it's THAT cold.

Me? Well, it doesn't much matter if they're single or not- they live too far away for any kind of relationship (except online) to be feasible. Still, I hold out hope to find an exceptionally attractive, alluring and bright woman who is single...somewhere. :D

thats ok, I am only looking for a quick hit-and-run, I am not looking to get married :D

*shakes head* Shame on you! :p

Anyway, I posted this in another thread and felt I'd share it here as well, since I noticed this about the Patriots after the Super Bowl:

-They surpassed the 1972 Dolphins record for consecutive wins to start a season even though first the game after setting that record was their Super Bowl loss
-They are also the only team in North American sports history (and, actually, in major sports history, counting the "big" European soccer leagues) to win 18 straight games to start a season. The loss that snapped the streak was the Super Bowl.
-They are one of three 18-1 teams in NFL history (1984 San Francisco and 1985 Chicago were the others), but are the only one *not* to win the Super Bowl. Coincidentally, the 1985 Patriots served as the Bears' Super Bowl victims.
-The Giants are now 3-0 in Super Bowls when they face their opponent in the regular season. In 1986, the Giants defeated the Denver Broncos 19-16 in Week 12 and 39-20 at Super Bowl XXI. In 1990, the Giants lost to the Buffalo Bills in Week 15 and defeated the Bills 20-19 in Super Bowl XXV after the infamous "Wide Right" play (coincidentally, the Giants also played New England in 1990, winning 13-10 to set New England's 1990 record at 1-15). Finally, in 2007, the Giants lost 38-35 to the Patriots in Week 17 and defeated them 17-14 in Super Bowl XLII. So, since New England won't play the Giants in 2008, the Patriots stand a better chance of going 19-0, although I doubt it since that defence is just too old.

the only team in North American sports history and, actually, in major sports history.I suggest you check the PDM & LNBP stats ;)

I suggest you check the PDM & LNBP stats ;)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. This is where I got that information from:

This marked the first time in more than 100 years that a team in the four major pro sports opened a season with 18 straight victories. The record for wins to start a season was set in 1884 by St. Louis in baseball’s Union Association, the Elias Sports Bureau said.

(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22758036/page/2/)
(Wiki Link (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007 New England Patriots season))

Since I don't count the Union Association as a "major" league (see what Bill James has to say about the UA, it was pretty thorough) and since Inter Milan hold the "major league" soccer record at 17 consecutive wins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_Milan#Resurrection), the Patriots do indeed hold the major league record to start the season. Still, that run is meaningless, since the Patriots' first loss was the one that mattered most- the Super Bowl. Without that win nothing else matters.

*For the record, both Inter and St. Louis won their respective league titles during the seasons with their streaks