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I wondered, since it was 9/11 that introduced most americans to Islam, what do you think would have happened had 9/11 not happened and Al-Qaeda not struck,
would bush be in power,
would the iraq war had happened
would the 2006 july war happen
would saddam be in power?
lets talk :)

Saddam would be in power probably.
Irag war wouldn't have happened.
Without the Irag war Bush would not have been re-elected.
July war would have still happened.

since it was 9/11 that introduced most americans to Islam


What?

would bush be in power
Probably
would the iraq war had happened
If there was another attack than yes.
would the 2006 july war happen
Yes.
would saddam be in power?
If there was another attack than yes.

What?


did most americans ever hear of Islam, or care about the middle east before 9/11 if so please provide intel

What 2006 July War? Was it this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War)?

Anyway um before 9/11 plenty of people knew about Islam, it's a major world religion. But I don't think there would have been an Iraq war. I think Bush might have seen Saddam as more dangerous because he came from the region where the 9/11 hijackers came and US troops were near by in Afghanistan. Bush might have been reelected. I mean a lot of dissatisfaction with him with the Iraq War. But social and economic issues might have shown Kerry prevailing. So it's kind of a toss up.

did most americans ever hear of Islam, or care about the middle east before 9/11 if so please provide intel

After the hostage crisis, I think a lot more people started caring about that part of the world. 9/11 did not introduce Islam to a large amount of the populace. What it did was change many's veiws on Islam.

would bush be in power,

No. He would have been defeated in 2004 by some centrist Democratic candidate.

would the iraq war had happened

No. Bush wouldn't have had the political capital.

would the 2006 july war happen

Between Israel and Lebanon? In all probability, yes. If not then, at some other point. That conflict was waiting to happen.

would saddam be in power?

Most likely.

Between Israel and Lebanon? In all probability, yes. If not then, at some other point. That conflict was waiting to happen.


but if the USA wasnt so tied up in Iraq, they might have been more forceful in the "Cedar Revolution" and hizbullah might have disarmed before the war happened

did most americans ever hear of Islam, or care about the middle east before 9/11 if so please provide intel

I should hope that most Americans would have heard of Islam before 9/11 and few do care about the Middle East, some care about their soldiers in the Middle East, some even care about the people their nation is killing, but most still don't care about the Middle East beyond its oil production.

Click Stand;13336515']After the hostage crisis, I think a lot more people started caring about that part of the world. 9/11 did not introduce Islam to a large amount of the populace. What it did was change many's veiws on Islam.

what hostage crisis?

What 2006 July War? Was it this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War)?


ya that one

Most importantly though, the terrorist attacks in Europe wouldn't have happened.

Without the U.S attacking then there wouldn't be any European allies to face the consequences.

but if the USA wasnt so tied up in Iraq, they might have been more forceful in the "Cedar Revolution"

And what, invaded? Because that's the only way they would have made much of a difference.

I wondered, since it was 9/11 that introduced most americans to Islam, what do you think would have happened had 9/11 not happened and Al-Qaeda not struck,
1. would bush be in power,
2. would the iraq war had happened
3. would the 2006 july war happen
4. would saddam be in power?
lets talk :)

1. Hard to say, probably not.
2. Nope.
3. Between Israel and Lebanon? Probably, maybe not at that time though.
4. Yes, unfortunately.

By the way - 9/11 didn't introduce Islam to most Americans. 9/11 introduced radical jihadist Islam to most Americans; there are plenty of Muslims over here that Americans knew who didn't want to kill anyone or blow up any buildings, and this is still true.

1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
4) no

because they were consequences of a long line of events before 11/9 or whatever the date that people keep bringing up

of course you can't escape death...*cue hideous mass killing scene using bad luck*

No. He would have been defeated in 2004 by some centrist Democratic candidate.

day dreaming are we?

No. He would have been defeated in 2004 by some centrist Democratic candidate.


No need to be redundant.

what hostage crisis?

The Iranian one in 1979.

I wondered, since it was 9/11 that introduced most americans to Islam, what do you think would have happened had 9/11 not happened and Al-Qaeda not struck,
would bush be in power,
would the iraq war had happened
would the 2006 july war happen
would saddam be in power?
lets talk :)

1. Any American who has taken a social studies class in school or has shopped at a convenience store has been introduced to Islam. Possibly the US would not be in Afghanistan.

2. Bush probably would have been reelected in 2004 regardless because the Iraq situation would have brewed up anyways.

3. Propaganda aside, the reasoning for Oil War II is wholly based around the government-corporate machine and the oil demand would have caused the war regardless of the "terrorist threat" not being there.

4. I don't know a thing about the July 2006 war.

5. Saddam is an old scapegoat in America and he would be dead today whether 9/11 happened or not, seeing as how the oil situation doesn't change.

And what, invaded? Because that's the only way they would have made much of a difference.

maybe who knows thats my point

Click Stand;13336691']The Iranian one in 1979.

oh,

The state I live in, has more Iraqis in the world, than any other place in the world, next to Iraq itself. We've heard of Islam. They run a LOT of gas stations, and restaruants in and around Detroit. Pretty much keep to themselves like everyone else.

It was at one such restaruant, where I had my first taste of middle eastern food.

Its fun to eat things you cant pronounce.

Shish ta wook!

Babaganoush!

o.o I'm going to assume that you mean an equivalent attack wouldn't have happened either.

would bush be in power
Probably. He didn't just sell his "protector" image but also his "religious" image.

would the iraq war had happened
Hmm... interesting, sure the government might have pushed for it otherwise but they might not have been able to manipulate people into accepting it with images of 9/11 if not for that happening. But I'd say the government might have been able to push for it and make it happen and say screw public relations, we're willing to get out of office if we can get this pushed.

would the 2006 july war happen
What?

would saddam be in power?
Wouldn't this be the same as the Iraq War question? If not, do you mean to ask whether or not Saddam would've been overthrown otherwise, or do you mean to ask whether or not the war would've been ineffective at overthrowing Saddam?

Most importantly though, the terrorist attacks in Europe wouldn't have happened.

Without the U.S attacking then there wouldn't be any European allies to face the consequences.

Except that the support that some European nations gave to the USA after 9/11 wasn't the Islamic fundamentalists' only reason for hating us: As far as some of them are concerned the simple facts that our governments haven't converted to Islam, imposed Sharia law on everybody within these countries, accepted the leadership of those extremists' chosen 'Caliph', and crushed the state of Israel -- and, in some cases, used to rule lands with Muslim populations, and helped to liberate Kuwait from Saddam instead of leaving that for the Islamic nations (and Al Quaeda) to prove their might by doing -- are enough in themselves.
There might not have been the same incidents in Europe if not for the aftermath of 9/11, but the possibility of there being some such events in that alternative history can't be ruled out completely: In fact, maybe the reason why 9/11 didn't happen in that alternative history was because Al Quaeda decided to strike against Britain and/or France before attacking the USA...

The state I live in, has more Iraqis in the world, than any other place in the world, next to Iraq itself. We've heard of Islam. They run a LOT of gas stations, and restaruants in and around Detroit. Pretty much keep to themselves like everyone else.

It was at one such restaruant, where I had my first taste of middle eastern food.

Its fun to eat things you cant pronounce.

Shish ta wook!

Babaganoush!

did you like Shish ta wook?
i hate Babaganoush

o.o I'm going to assume that you mean an equivalent attack wouldn't have happened either.

What?

Wouldn't this be the same as the Iraq War question? If not, do you mean to ask whether or not Saddam would've been overthrown otherwise, or do you mean to ask whether or not the war would've been ineffective at overthrowing Saddam?

yes no equivalent attack
2006 lebanon/israel war
would they have garnered as many allies without the 9/11 as excuse for calling the NATO troops "if one is attacked all are attacked"

yes no equivalent attack
2006 lebanon/israel war
would they have garnered as many allies without the 9/11 as excuse for calling the NATO troops "if one is attacked all are attacked"
Probably not then; but the relevant point with regards to the Iraq War is that the US was attacked by Al Queda, not Iraq.

As for the lebanon/israel war, that probably had more to do with what had already been going on in the Middle East for quite some time. I'd say it or something close to it probably would've happened eventually had 9/11 happened or not.