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What are your views on Tibet?

Tibet shouldn't be freed. If they were, there would be a collapse without the backing (however devious) of the Chinese government.

Also, religious aristocracies are bad.

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Also, religious aristocracies are bad.

The Gelug sect of Tibetan Buddhism (the sect of the Dalai and Panchen Lamas) took control of Tibet and I hear that they committed many atrocities against the Tibetan people. Should Tibet be freed, I would say that power should be granted to another Tibetan Buddhist sect (such as the Kagyu) or maybe even the Bonpo. Then maybe a religious government wouldn't be that bad

Actually, I'm against theocracies and religious aristocracies too. No matter how nice a sect or denomination might be, give them all the secular, temporal power over a place and watch them abuse it.

Bad idea.

sure...I'll take it...

...if it's free...

I am for freeing Tibet from Chinese imperialism. No matter what the previous rulers may have been able to do, at least Tibet was a relatively small country which one could leave and the absolute numbers of the ruling class was smaller. Now, Tibet is part of a far larger political unit, meaning there is less of an area to go, and they are at the mercy of a far greater number of Chinese. The only way to improve Tibet's welfare would be an immediate departure of the Chinese state from Tibet's borders.

I am for freeing Tibet from Chinese imperialism. No matter what the previous rulers may have been able to do, at least Tibet was a relatively small country which one could leave and the absolute numbers of the ruling class was smaller. Now, Tibet is part of a far larger political unit, meaning there is less of an area to go, and they are at the mercy of a far greater number of Chinese. The only way to improve Tibet's welfare would be an immediate departure of the Chinese state from Tibet's borders.

Leave Tibet, they couldn't do that under the old system. Either you were part of the higher ups or you were a serf bound to the land. When your very life is dependent on getting by day to day, it is very hard to migrate elsewhere.

Click Stand;13334615']Leave Tibet, they couldn't do that under the old system. Either you were part of the higher ups or you were a serf bound to the land. When your very life is dependent on getting by day to day, it is very hard to migrate elsewhere.

I never said leave legally. One can always try to escape from a repressive hellhole regardless of whether the authorities want you to or not, but if you're smack-dab in the middle of some collosally huge state it is far, far harder to do so.

Meh. Anything to help weaken the Chinese state (although I doubt Tibetan independence would cause any major change)

Meh.

That's my opinion on Tibetan independence: Meh. I don't see why an independent Tibet would be necessarily any better or any worse for the Tibetan people. Any indepedent Tibetan government is likely to be just as autocratic and repressive as the current Chinese government - although with a more religious flavour.

Only to piss off China and break up their evil empire...

(not because of human rights or anything, but the bastards invaded me twice as Russia in two separate RPs!)

(not because of human rights or anything, but the bastards invaded me twice as Russia in two separate RPs!)

Stupid sons of bitches! :sniper:

FREE TIBET!!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! :sniper::mp5::gundge::upyours::fluffle:

Just a note for those claiming it'd be a theocracy - HH the Dalai Lama supports a constitutional multi-party parlimrntary democracy for Tibet. See this (http://www.tibet.com/future.html) for more.

I believe that in future, Tibet should have a multi-party system of parliament, and that it should have three organs of government - legislature, executive and judiciary - with a clear separation of powers between them, each independent of the other and vested with equal powers and authority. As I have often said, Tibet belongs to Tibetans, and especially to those who are in Tibet.

Note also that he specifcally states that he should not play the traditional temporal political role.

Personally, I have made up my mind that I will not play any role in the future government of Tibet, let alone seek the Dalai Lama's traditional political position in the government. There are important reasons why I have made this decision. There is no doubt that Tibetans, both in and outside Tibet, have great hope in, and reverence for, me. From my side too, I am determined to do whatever I can for the well-being of my people. The fact that I am in a position to do this is due to my karma and prayers over past lives. However, in future I will not hold any official position in the government. I will most likely remain a public figure who may be called on to offer advice or resolve some particularly significant and difficult problems which could not be overcome by the existing government or political mechanisms. I think I will be in a better position to serve the people as an individual outside the government.

Except the current Dalai Lama is very old and likely to die soon. Who knows what the next one will say?

I've only got about three fitty right now and I don't want to blow it all on a single purchase so I'd buy it for a buck seventy-five or less and turn it into my own personal amusement park.

When people say free Tibet they're probably operating under the misconception that the Dalai Lama were actually running things well, as has been pointed out here and in at least one other thread about Tibet on this forum that I have been involved in. Sometimes I wonder why some of the things on the internet have the names they do, like thread. I suppose it comes from this being a message board and to keep connected messages organized and easily identifiable you might stick a string between the messages. But if that's the case then why not call a thread a yarn or a string? Who decided that thread was the best way to go? I know it seems odd to think of alternative names right now but I just bought a twin pack of pop-its and can't use them in the house. I also have work tomorrow but at least I've got Wednesday off and I intend to eat pizza and Sloppy Joe. Mmm...cannibalism. What was I talking about? Oh, yes, Tibet. I think the worst mistake that a lot of people are making when they argue for a free and democratic Tibet is the democratic part. Democracy is not freedom in the slightest sense of the word, it can even be downright unfair and stupid because so is the burrito-inhaling, halo-worshipping general public. Seriously, am I the only person under 30 who read Ringworld? The Athenianitese actually voted out and banished the general who saved them all from the benevolent and tolerant rule Persian kings were kinda sorta known for (if you believe that Cyrus really let some Jews go after conquering the Babylonianitese), Themistocles. Democracy is mob rule at its finest and worst and my favorite flavor of yogurt is an even split between blueberry and strawberry banana. I found a 5 pointed strawberry today at the store. It looked kinda like a folding fan. I wonder if anyone has actually asked the Tibetan people what they want. And I don't mean as a whole but as individuals.

The preceeding paragraph was written, arranged, and approved of by a double-secret democratic vote.

Tibet should be independent from China, end of story. Tibet should be ruled by the Tibetans (not necessarily by the Dalai Lama), and act under the principles and morals of Buddhism.

Maybe we can move all our economic production to Tibet! We can pay them in Karma and its a win win situation!

Bugger that.

Except the current Dalai Lama is very old and likely to die soon. Who knows what the next one will say?Since they present themselves as one person, they'll all say it unless they change their mind.

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