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Damn, people are stupid. People are so stupid, they send me e-mail that contains a variation on the following:

"This email message is from [insert name here] and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s), and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s), please contact the sender or [insert e-mail addy here] by a replying e-mail, and destroy all copies of the original message. You may not distribute, disseminate or copy this e-mail."

Again, I say, so sue me, you fucking moron! Oh, I'd so love to see these fuckwits try, especially under the Swedish legal system.

Why are people so ignorant as to think that one can somehow copyright e-mails or other, daily correspondence? It's obvious they don't know that for something to enjoy protection under copyright laws, it has to actually attain a certain level of originality, independence and individuality - something called "verkshöjd" in Swedish law (one could call it "level of authorship" in English). You can't just copyright anything you fucking jot down and then throw your little (most often USA, I've noticed) dick around thinking yourself an "author" just because you threw together an e-mail to annoy me with! *gaah*

So, has anyone here gotten some equally stupid legal "threats"? Or just stupid e-mail in general? Perhaps we can vent together.

I hate the e-mails that I get telling me that a new spambot or pornbot or whatever kind of bot wants to be my friend on Facebook or MySpace. I also hate the e-mails thats from a pornbot that wants to talk to me on MSN IM and has the same person's name, different e-mail address and in some cases, the same picture of a woman's ass in a thong. I usually keep that photo....

I also hate the chain e-mails that I get. Hey, if I'm not going to find true love in 50 years because I didn't pass on a worthless e-mail then whatever, I'll just be an old hermit living in a cabin in the mountain with the world's largest supply of Vaseline!

Well, the legal test of 'a modicum of creativity' in Canada to attain copyright is pretty low. Then again, copyrights are themselves not very strong. Even if you passed off their fantastic email as your own, the most they'd likely get is an injunction to get you to stop.

No idea how it works in Sweden, but copyright here is basically attainable by any monkey who can jot down a few sordid lines.

But I'm being dense...it's not about copyright anyway, it's a standard FOIP (freedom of information and privacy) advisory.

Well, what if it contained private information from a company, and you decided to sell it to their rival?

They're just letting you know.

Are those jokes, or are they serious about the legal crap?

I also hate the chain e-mails that I get. Hey, if I'm not going to find true love in 50 years because I didn't pass on a worthless e-mail then whatever, I'll just be an old hermit living in a cabin in the mountain with the world's largest supply of Vaseline!

GOOD GRIEF! The mental image... it... it... burns my mind.

Are those jokes, or are they serious about the legal crap?
It's standard shite. A lot of institutions or workplacees will just attach that to their emails, but they actually refer not to copyright, but rather to various privacy legislation.

Well, what if it contained private information from a company, and you decided to sell it to their rival?

It stopped being private when they sent it to someone outside their company - I am under no obligation to protect their trade secrets, that's their job. If they disagree, they can just try suing me, the twats.

They're just letting you know.

And I usually let them know they're fucktards by sending them a copy of "Lag (1960:729) om upphovsrätt till litterära och konstnärliga verk" ("Law (1960:729) about copyright on literary and artistic works") where I let them know that their shoddy e-mails do not attain the level of being considered "literary" or "artistic".

the husband sometimes gets that kind of language in email that comes from his job. proprietary stuff. things that he WOULD get sued over if he sold it to someone else.

but if they sent it to YOU and you told the world, i dont see how thats anything by their own fault for sending out emails to strangers.

Damn, people are stupid. People are so stupid, they send me e-mail that contains a variation on the following:

Again, I say, so sue me, you fucking moron! Oh, I'd so love to see these fuckwits try, especially under the Swedish legal system.

Why are people so ignorant as to think that one can somehow copyright e-mails or other, daily correspondence? It's obvious they don't know that for something to enjoy protection under copyright laws, it has to actually attain a certain level of originality, independence and individuality - something called "verkshöjd" in Swedish law (one could call it "level of authorship" in English). You can't just copyright anything you fucking jot down and then throw your little (most often USA, I've noticed) dick around thinking yourself an "author" just because you threw together an e-mail to annoy me with! *gaah*

So, has anyone here gotten some equally stupid legal "threats"? Or just stupid e-mail in general? Perhaps we can vent together.

Well?

It's not about threating you exactly. It's more about covering a possible road block for a legal issue in the US.

If said person forgot to have that in place and a US person received it and used the info and a suit came forth; a big problem would be the lame excuse of "well the email didn't say I could use it!!!!!" There was a case awhile ago where a hacker got into a router and did stuff. Well at the time the default was "Welcome" and the case was thrown out as the message said it was allowed.

It's silly but thats the way of things.

Well?

It's not about threating you exactly. It's more about covering a possible road block for a legal issue in the US.

If said person forgot to have that in place and a US person received it and used the info and a suit came forth; a big problem would be the lame excuse of "well the email didn't say I could use it!!!!!" There was a case awhile ago where a hacker got into a router and did stuff. Well at the time the default was "Welcome" and the case was thrown out as the message said it was allowed.

It's silly but thats the way of things.

Exactly. They're just covering their own, and to an extent your own ass(es).

It stopped being private when they sent it to someone outside their company - I am under no obligation to protect their trade secrets, that's their job. If they disagree, they can just try suing me, the twats. That is most likely true under you legislation. It might be true under the legislation in the jurisdiction of origin. Or it may not. Depends on the content and the particular regulatory regime. Usually not much they can do anyway to deal with privacy violations once they've ocurred.


And I usually let them know they're fucktards by sending them a copy of "Lag (1960:729) om upphovsrätt till litterära och konstnärliga verk" ("Law (1960:729) about copyright on literary and artistic works") where I let them know that their shoddy e-mails do not attain the level of being considered "literary" or "artistic".

Sweden is a WTO country yes? Most countries extend copyright protection to works created in other WTO countries, or even by ordinary residents of WTO countries, residing in a non-WTO nation :) They basically agree to respect one another's copyright according to domestic guidelines.

But again, I don't think this is a copyright issue, and even if it were, there are very limited remedies for copyright infringements even when not discussing trying to pursue someone in another country.

Well?

It's not about threating you exactly. It's more about covering a possible road block for a legal issue in the US.

Yeah, well, I'm not in the USA and I very much doubt that even in the USA you can sue someone for forwarding an e-mail where you're making a fool of yourself. They have no reasonable expectation of privacy that they can claim against me when they send me e-mails, as little as they have if they were to tell me something as a private person and not in my line of work and then claim "you must not pass this on, or I'll sue you!". I have every right to forward their e-mail wherever I want, and I have every right not to keep their little secrets (yay, freedom of expression and speech!). I am not bound to them as some sort of chattel.

If said person forgot to have that in place and a US person received it and used the info and a suit came forth; a big problem would be the lame excuse of "well the email didn't say I could use it!!!!!"

One would think sanity would be enough protection...

It's silly but thats the way of things.

... but I did remark I had noticed it was mostly little USA dicks that were being waved around in this manner.

It stopped being private when they sent it to someone outside their company - I am under no obligation to protect their trade secrets, that's their job. If they disagree, they can just try suing me, the twats.

And I usually let them know they're fucktards by sending them a copy of "Lag (1960:729) om upphovsrätt till litterära och konstnärliga verk" ("Law (1960:729) about copyright on literary and artistic works") where I let them know that their shoddy e-mails do not attain the level of being considered "literary" or "artistic".

Can I ask you a quick question?


Were you born this angry?

Yeah, well, I'm not in the USA and I very much doubt that even in the USA you can sue someone for forwarding an e-mail where you're making a fool of yourself. They have no reasonable expectation of privacy that they can claim against me when they send me e-mails, as little as they have if they were to tell me something as a private person and not in my line of work and then claim "you must not pass this on, or I'll sue you!". I have every right to forward their e-mail wherever I want, and I have every right not to keep their little secrets (yay, freedom of expression and speech!). I am not bound to them as some sort of chattel.


Actually you don't have the right especially if you have copyright law. Even if somebody accidentally sent you something and it's copyrighted can you use it in Sweden?

One would think sanity would be enough protection...

Well sanity and profit don't always go together. Greed has a habit of overpowering it. If we were sane, we wouldn't have worker safety laws, drug laws, product protection laws, etc.

... but I did remark I had noticed it was mostly little USA dicks that were being waved around in this manner.

Usually, it's the organization that enforces the message. The people tend to think of it as white noise.

Can I ask you a quick question?


Were you born this angry?

Nah! When he has had a bad date or hasn't been on one in awhile! Right Fass? :p

Damn, people are stupid. People are so stupid, they send me e-mail that contains a variation on the following:



Again, I say, so sue me, you fucking moron! Oh, I'd so love to see these fuckwits try, especially under the Swedish legal system.

Why are people so ignorant as to think that one can somehow copyright e-mails or other, daily correspondence? It's obvious they don't know that for something to enjoy protection under copyright laws, it has to actually attain a certain level of originality, independence and individuality - something called "verkshöjd" in Swedish law (one could call it "level of authorship" in English). You can't just copyright anything you fucking jot down and then throw your little (most often USA, I've noticed) dick around thinking yourself an "author" just because you threw together an e-mail to annoy me with! *gaah*

So, has anyone here gotten some equally stupid legal "threats"? Or just stupid e-mail in general? Perhaps we can vent together.
o_O

What on earth makes you think this is about copyrights? It's about confidential information. Now, if that warning actually carries any legal clout I don't know but it sure isn't about copyrights.

o_O

What on earth makes you think this is about copyrights? It's about confidential information. Now, if that warning actually carries any legal clout I don't know but it sure isn't about copyrights.

Yeah, he kept ignoring me on that issue :(
:D

I'm being serious. I've never seen anyone appear to be so damned angry at everything!

Or am I just seeing him in the wrong light?

You take things too seriously.

Nah! When he has had a bad date or hasn't been on one in awhile! Right Fass? :p

I'm being serious. I've never seen anyone appear to be so damned angry at everything!

Or am I just seeing him in the wrong light?

*sues Fass*

... but I did remark I had noticed it was mostly little USA dicks that were being waved around in this manner.

Actually, RWE npower (a rather big dick in UK energy generation) sticks one of those on the end of every email. Including the internal ones. Followed by an advertisement for itself.

You take things too seriously.

That does seem to be the most likely explanation.

Good heavens, I didn't know anyone actually read those things. A not dissimilar disclosure is automatically tacked onto every external email I send from work. I suppose it's useful in a "now you can't say that you didn't know" kind of way, just like every other legal disclosure I can think of.

That's actually pretty much what's in every single mail from the EU, no matter how public or personal. Standard matter of law.

So yes, you can be sued for it in Sweden and no, it has nothing to do with copyright law. It has more to do with confidentiality.

That's actually pretty much what's in every single mail from the EU, no matter how public or personal. Standard matter of law.

So yes, you can be sued for it in Sweden and no, it has nothing to do with copyright law. It has more to do with confidentiality.

Doesn't mean you can be SUCCESSFULLY sued for it.

Damn, people are stupid. People are so stupid, they send me e-mail that contains a variation on the following:



Again, I say, so sue me, you fucking moron! Oh, I'd so love to see these fuckwits try, especially under the Swedish legal system.

Why are people so ignorant as to think that one can somehow copyright e-mails or other, daily correspondence? It's obvious they don't know that for something to enjoy protection under copyright laws, it has to actually attain a certain level of originality, independence and individuality - something called "verkshöjd" in Swedish law (one could call it "level of authorship" in English). You can't just copyright anything you fucking jot down and then throw your little (most often USA, I've noticed) dick around thinking yourself an "author" just because you threw together an e-mail to annoy me with! *gaah*

So, has anyone here gotten some equally stupid legal "threats"? Or just stupid e-mail in general? Perhaps we can vent together.
it's similar to most Fax Cover sheets. All it says is the information is meant for [named individual] and if you're not that person to please delete it.

it's not threatening any legal action but it does label the information for someone else as Neesika and others pointed out.

o_O

What on earth makes you think this is about copyrights? It's about confidential information. Now, if that warning actually carries any legal clout I don't know but it sure isn't about copyrights.

Yeah thats what I take from it too

Either way something similar is tacked on to all email (original or reply) generated by anyone at my work as well.

Doesn't mean you can be SUCCESSFULLY sued for it.

No, but if you disclose confidential information, the risk exists.

It's a legal way to tell you to please not do it and still be able to do something about it afterwards.

It still has nothing to do with copyright law, as Fass seems to have erroneously assumed.

Sweden is a WTO country yes? Most countries extend copyright protection to works created in other WTO countries, or even by ordinary residents of WTO countries, residing in a non-WTO nation :) They basically agree to respect one another's copyright according to domestic guidelines.

You're thinking of WIPO, but in any case if The Pirate Bay has taught us anything, it is that Swedish law governs in Sweden - regardless of foreign laws, my rights under our laws cannot be subverted by them. Unless they're EU law, but that's a whole different ball game... anyhow, the e-mails do not attain the level needed for copyrightability.

But again, I don't think this is a copyright issue, and even if it were, there are very limited remedies for copyright infringements even when not discussing trying to pursue someone in another country.

It's not a copyright issue - it's a douchebaggery issue, since their e-mails are clearly not copyrightable and copyright is the only thing that would grant them the rights they're trying to threaten me with should I repost their e-mail.

So yes, you can be sued for it in Sweden

Nope, no you can't. They can file the suit if they want, yes, but it will be dismissed.

and no, it has nothing to do with copyright law.

It has to do with copyright law if the restraints they are trying to put on me are to be enforceable (the whole poppycock about me not being able to copy or forward or reproduce or whatnot) or for them to be able to report me to the police or sue me. Regular e-mail does not attain the "level of authorship" for them to be able to assert such rights, though, so it's not about copyright in the sense that it is not applicable and thus they do not have these "rights" to threaten me with.

It has more to do with confidentiality.

And there is no confidentiality law that forces me as a private person to keep private correspondence "confidential". It would be different if I were to work in the company and it was a company e-mail, or if it were an e-mail from a patient sent to me as a matter of my profession, but I as a private person in my private correspondence have no "confidentiality" duty against anyone.

What the fuck is this thread about?

It's not a copyright issue - it's a douchebaggery issue.

Not something to get so worked up over. You just laugh it off and dismiss it as the bullshit it is.

What the fuck is this thread about?

The "Man" trying to keep people down with threats.

Not something to get so worked up over. You just laugh it off and dismiss it as the bullshit it is.

Or I can bitch about it and hopefully maybe someone here who has this nonsense in their e-mail will realise what stupid and invalid nonsense it is.

The "Man" trying to keep people down with threats.

Not the "Man" - this is a regular, private person attaching this text to their e-mails. The particular e-mail I got that little attempt at "legalese" from was from a person who was e-mailing about a translation edit I had made to an open source programme - nothing in his e-mail even came remotely close to being copyrightable; it was just a question on the term used. It is some idiot somewhere thinking he has some sort of clout to dictate to me what rights I do and do not have to read and forward and quote the correspondence I receive. Well, he does not.

And I usually let them know they're fucktards by sending them a copy of "Lag (1960:729) om upphovsrätt till litterära och konstnärliga verk" ("Law (1960:729) about copyright on literary and artistic works") where I let them know that their shoddy e-mails do not attain the level of being considered "literary" or "artistic".

...I suspect you're sending them the wrong law.

And besides, the clause they include is mostly to save their own asses if you should do anything nasty with the information you've erroneously received. It's all they can do to protect themselves - "Look, we told him to not spread the info! We added a disclaimer, and that's all we could do! Please don't fire me... I'm begging you! It's Christmas, and little Timmy needs an operation. Nobody reads Swedish e-mails anyway. Please! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"

You know the scene. I've seen it all to often :)

You're thinking of WIPO, but in any case if The Pirate Bay has taught us anything, it is that Swedish law governs in Sweden - regardless of foreign laws, my rights under our laws cannot be subverted by them. Unless they're EU law, but that's a whole different ball game... anyhow, the e-mails do not attain the level needed for copyrightability. No, I'm thinking WTO. Also the Berne Convention. Easiest way to see if WIPO even applies. And it's not about subverting Swedish law, it's about recognising copyright. Then again, Sweden hasn't had the WCT come into force yet. So...*shrugs*.



It's not a copyright issue - it's a douchebaggery issue, since their e-mails are clearly not copyrightable and copyright is the only thing that would grant them the rights they're trying to threaten me with should I repost their e-mail.
It's a FOIP warning, not a notice of copyright.

But that generally only applies to public bodies anyway.

...I suspect you're sending them the wrong law.

http://www.notisum.se/rnp/SLS/lag/19600729.HTM

Howso?

And besides, the clause they include is mostly to save their own asses if you should do anything nasty with the information you've erroneously received. It's all they can do to protect themselves - "Look, we told him to not spread the info! We added a disclaimer, and that's all we could do! Please don't fire me... I'm begging you! It's Christmas, and little Timmy needs an operation. Nobody reads Swedish e-mails anyway. Please! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!"

Then they should put an idemnity clause in their e-mail that says something along the line of "I shall not be held responsible for anything any recipient of this e-mail does with the e-mail". It would still be silly and invalid, but it would not be the type of douchebaggery that tries to dictate to the recipient what he can and cannot do with the e-mail.

You know the scene. I've seen it all to often :)

I've never seen it, but I work in the public sector where I guess people aren't stupid enough to think little texts in e-mail messages would protect them from getting fired when they do something deemed misconduct - for instance, you can't send confidential info about a patient to someone and then when it gets out that you've broken "Sekretesslagen" the responsibility can be shuffled off on the recipient of the e-mail because you wrote that he couldn't read or copy or forward it. The law is the law - little disclaimers are not.

Damn, people are stupid. People are so stupid, they send me e-mail that contains a variation on the following:



Again, I say, so sue me, you fucking moron! Oh, I'd so love to see these fuckwits try, especially under the Swedish legal system.

What the hell is so important about the "Swedish legal system?" I'm just sitting here on my dad's new PC trying to manage Consigahria and while it's getting hard, some swedish @$$hole is giving us $hit! :headbang:

However, what I was thinking is that instead of pissing people off, the "Swedish" should get off their asses and do something for the government! *scoff* If an ass emails me with the same shit, I'll call the fuckin cops and i don't joke about that!!!!

That's actually pretty much what's in every single mail from the EU, no matter how public or personal.I've only ever gotten it from people & entities outside EU.Standard matter of law.Eh.. Nope. It's more of a flirting with frivolous legal threats kind of thing.So yes, you can be sued for it in SwedenHe can't.
and no, it has nothing to do with copyright law.Right you are.It has more to do with confidentiality.Unless the email contains actual confidential information, and Fass intentionally uses it to cause harm, or violates a prior agreement concerning it, confidentiality has nothing to do with it. And again, pointless little email threats doesn't change the fact.

What the hell is so important about the "Swedish legal system?" I'm just sitting here on my dad's new PC trying to manage Consigahria and while it's getting hard, some swedish @$$hole is giving us $hit! :headbang: wtf are you guys thinking! Jesus, you make me wanna shoot myself!

However, what I was thinking is that someone get off their fat lazy asses and do something for the government already! It's seriously pissing me off!

- Consigahria

Thank you for that random, and completely pointless show of n00bishness. And by thank you, I actually mean, shut up.

No, I'm thinking WTO. Also the Berne Convention. Easiest way to see if WIPO even applies. And it's not about subverting Swedish law, it's about recognising copyright. Then again, Sweden hasn't had the WCT come into force yet. So...*shrugs*.

The WCT and WPPT are additions to the Berne Convention, which by the way doesn't enforce one country's copyrights in another - it states that countries must protect copyrights of foreigners the same way they do their own citizens'. That for instance means that French copyright applies in France when works are published or displayed there, no matter which country they were created in. So, it doesn't matter that the e-mail I got was created in the USA - USA copyright doesn't apply, Swedish does.

It's a FOIP warning, not a notice of copyright.

Fax over Internet Protocol?

But that generally only applies to public bodies anyway.

But the Swedish Offentlighetsprincipen ("Transparency Principle") states that all correspondence to public bodies is "offentlig" - i.e. public. The Freedom of the Press Act and The Fundamental Law on Freedom of Expression set very specific rules on what sort of documents held by the government may be classified, but the general rule is that they are public and that anyone may request them. Unless the Constitution gives the Government the right to classify what you've sent them and they've moved to have it classified (I can still challenge the classification in a court of law), you cannot demand that the government classify what you've sent them if the constitution does not allow classification.

and still, I raise my point. :rolleyes: god damn the swedish!





also, i see everyone is going <i>against</i> sweden :D

thank you

Not the "Man" - this is a regular, private person attaching this text to their e-mails. The particular e-mail I got that little attempt at "legalese" from was from a person who was e-mailing about a translation edit I had made to an open source programme - nothing in his e-mail even came remotely close to being copyrightable; it was just a question on the term used. It is some idiot somewhere thinking he has some sort of clout to dictate to me what rights I do and do not have to read and forward and quote the correspondence I receive. Well, he does not.

Wait, so you're getting these from a person, not an organisation? 'Cause most organisations stick these things on as default. Are you sure you're not getting pissed off at a server or something?

Not something to get so worked up over. You just laugh it off and dismiss it as the bullshit it is.

Meh, let Fass get his panties in a bunch if he wants. :)

Personally I just ignore idiots.
except on NSG then I make fun of them, or laugh as others do it for me

funny :P

ya know what I dont understand? why in god's name do teenagers today have to do graffiti? can't they just draw on regular paper for shits' sake? :headbang::mad::eek::upyours:

Ya know what I don't understand? Why you aren't in the spam forum... :(

Oh stop thinking you're so special Fass. These are legal disclaimers. They have virtually nothing to do with you.

If an email from a company goes astray then they can just point to the disclaimer and absolve themselves of responsibility. It in no way consitutes a legal threat. It's like the 'may contain nuts' warning on packets of peanuts.

http://www.notisum.se/rnp/SLS/lag/19600729.HTM

Howso?
Well, because it seems to be about confidentiality, and not so much about copyright. Generally, that is. In your case I can see it being somewhat different due to it being a text? An interpretation? But I don't think it matters.

Regardless, the clause that you presented will not in any way affect you, since you are, I presume, the intended recipient. You may do whatever you want with the contents of the email.

That a private person would include it suggests to me that he has a signature that he doesn't change, and that he may use his e-mail in a professional capacity as well - hence attaching this trendy little thing. It is silly, and it is rather useless in Sweden, I'll grant you that. But my point is that it would not be the copyright act that would regulate it - though for the life of me I can't think of what you should send instead. Maybe a law on contracts? Hmm...



Then they should put an idemnity clause in their e-mail that says something along the line of "I shall not be held responsible for anything any recipient of this e-mail does with the e-mail". It would still be silly and invalid, but it would not be the type of douchebaggery that tries to dictate to the recipient what he can and cannot do with the e-mail.
But the bosses wouldn't like that version - it's better to be offensive than defensive ;) :p


I've never seen it, but I work in the public sector where I guess people aren't stupid enough to think little texts in e-mail messages would protect them from getting fired when they do something deemed misconduct - for instance, you can't send confidential info about a patient to someone and then when it gets out that you've broken "Sekretesslagen" the responsibility can be shuffled off on the recipient of the e-mail because you wrote that he couldn't read or copy or forward it. The law is the law - little disclaimers are not.
It's a trendy thing, stolen from the US and common law countries where it's more useful. And, of course, the Big Business corporations like to have them, and the smaller businesses like to emulate them, so they've spread like wildfire.

For my part, I only view them as a request to notify the sender if I should ever get a mail I shouldn't have gotten. I've never got anything interesting sent to me by mistake thus far though, and never with such a passage attached, so I'm waiting breathlessly for that day when it will happen and I'll be tempted to spread, copy or do something with the email...

In short: Ignore the douchebaggery. :)

It's not a copyright issue - it's a douchebaggery issue, since their e-mails are clearly not copyrightable and copyright is the only thing that would grant them the rights they're trying to threaten me with should I repost their e-mail.

So if I accidentally recieved an email informing me of the location of the next US attack on Iraq, and I sold that info to an Iraqi terror agency resulting in the death of US soldiers, you don't believe I could be sued and or prosecuted for spreading informantion related to national security?

If I recieved the oh-so-secret recipe for Coca-Cola, and I sold that recipe to the highest bidder, you don't think I could be sued?

I am inclined to believe you are mistaken Mr Fassitude. However, I am not an attorney. But a self-employed attorney with whom I am acquainted does attach that to his emails.

The WCT and WPPT are additions to the Berne Convention, which by the way doesn't enforce one country's copyrights in another - it states that countries must protect copyrights of foreigners the same way they do their own citizens'. That for instance means that French copyright applies in France when works are published or displayed there, no matter which country they were created in. So, it doesn't matter that the e-mail I got was created in the USA - USA copyright doesn't apply, Swedish does.
I'm not arguing that there would be copyright, or that this is even a copyright issue. In fact, I don't think it could be in either case. I'm not going to look at WIPO first to see if Sweden is a signatory, under Canadian law I just have to know they are a WTO nation, that's enough. Yes, if Sweden has more stringent requirements for copyright, then something created in Canada, for example, might not have copyright protection in Sweden.

I still don't understand why you think this is a copyright assertion.



Fax over Internet Protocol? Freedom of Information and Privacy...the same sort of bs became fashionable to put on all correspondence between any company for a while until they realised that it only applied to public bodies. It's not always cut and dry, discerning what is a public body and what is not, but hey, it sure LOOKS impressive.

So if I accidentally recieved an email informing me of the location of the next US attack on Iraq, and I sold that info to an Iraqi terror agency resulting in the death of US soldiers, you don't believe I could be sued and or prosecuted for spreading informantion related to national security? If FASS in SWEDEN received that information, then treaties dealing with such information would come into play. Not at all similar to the situation here, and I'll leave it to him to inform you or not if that scenario would have any negative outcome on a Swedish national.

More likely, heads would roll in the US, as whoever sent that information would be punished.

If I recieved the oh-so-secret recipe for Coca-Cola, and I sold that recipe to the highest bidder, you don't think I could be sued? Of course you couldn't. It's a trade secret. By definition, that means that Coca-Cola does not have a patent on the formula. That is the risk you take when you dabble in trade secrets. Were you to discover the formula, you could absolutely get a patent on it and thumb your nose at Coca Cola.

They'd still drag your ass through court and probably drive you under with the costs...but they wouldn't suceed in challenging your patent.

I am inclined to believe you are mistaken Mr Fassitude. However, I am not an attorney. But a self-employed attorney with whom I am acquainted does attach that to his emails.
That's very nice.

At least you admit your complete ignorance on the subject.

Your attorney friend attaches such to his emails because of attorney-client privilege. In Canada (not speaking for anywhere else), attorney-client privilege is the ONLY absolute privilege. But it would still be on the attorney's head for fucking up and breaching it.

Can I ask you a quick question?


Were you born this angry?

When he was born, he slapped the doctor. ;)

Not something to get so worked up over. You just laugh it off and dismiss it as the bullshit it is.
It's hard to dismiss the fact that the world is full of idiots. But it's better to learn to live with it if you can't change it.

Yeah, well, I'm not in the USA and I very much doubt that even in the USA you can sue someone for forwarding an e-mail where you're making a fool of yourself. They have no reasonable expectation of privacy that they can claim against me when they send me e-mails, as little as they have if they were to tell me something as a private person and not in my line of work and then claim "you must not pass this on, or I'll sue you!". I have every right to forward their e-mail wherever I want, and I have every right not to keep their little secrets (yay, freedom of expression and speech!). I am not bound to them as some sort of chattel.



One would think sanity would be enough protection...



... but I did remark I had noticed it was mostly little USA dicks that were being waved around in this manner.

You sure seem obsessed about American penises and their supposed size. This is what, the fourth time you've mentioned them in your rant?

Fass, what is the required level for copyrightability?

When he was born, he slapped the doctor. ;)

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You sure seem obsessed about American penises and their supposed size. This is what, the fourth time you've mentioned them in your rant?

Gee...it's like he's gay or something.

Gee...it's like he's gay or something.

NO!

really?

When I send emails from work a legal disclaimer thingy is automatically added, whether I like it or not.

When I send emails from work a legal disclaimer thingy is automatically added, whether I like it or not.Same with my mom's, only her emails state that its her opinion, and not the company's, in her email.

Or just stupid e-mail in general? Perhaps we can vent together.

I hate it when people send me chain letters about viruses, they all turn out to be fake, but I actually have to do work to find it out and the thought of anyone taking them seriously annoys me. Same with exaggerated petitions about how we need to form a mob and hunt down such-and-such a criminal.

I hate it when people send me chain letters about viruses, they all turn out to be fake, but I actually have to do work to find it out and the thought of anyone taking them seriously annoys me. Same with exaggerated petitions about how we need to form a mob and hunt down such-and-such a criminal.

Or "If you love the little baby Jesus, pass this on... if you don't, delete it and burn in Hell forever!!!!"

Yeah, love those. :p

Btw: Snopes.com and http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ are two great sites for disproving the crap you're sent in emails.

Or "If you love the little baby Jesus, pass this on... if you don't, delete it and burn in Hell forever!!!!"

Yeah, love those. :p

Btw: Snopes.com and http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ are two great sites for disproving the crap you're sent in emails.

I know this isn't much but I always forward those back to the person that sent them. After a while friends don't send me that crap.

Or "If you love the little baby Jesus, pass this on... if you don't, delete it and burn in Hell forever!!!!"

Yeah, love those. :p

Btw: Snopes.com and http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ are two great sites for disproving the crap you're sent in emails.

I usually just Google it and click on the Snopes link. If it's a virus, it's always a hoax. "Boy Who Cried Wolf" comes to mind, problem being I'd be the victim in that case, for doing the right thing :rolleyes:

When he was born, he slapped the doctor. ;)

LMAO good one LG! :D

As far as I know, you can copyright any published matter that is distinguishable.

I block anyone who sends me chainmail including friends (who get offended) and my brother. Problem solved.:)

What the hell is so important about the "Swedish legal system?" I'm just sitting here on my dad's new PC trying to manage Consigahria and while it's getting hard, some swedish @$$hole is giving us $hit! :headbang:

However, what I was thinking is that instead of pissing people off, the "Swedish" should get off their asses and do something for the government! *scoff* If an ass emails me with the same shit, I'll call the fuckin cops and i don't joke about that!!!!its getting hard?

:D

its getting hard?

:D

It's a sticky situation, with all those Swedish assholes.

it's similar to most Fax Cover sheets. All it says is the information is meant for [named individual] and if you're not that person to please delete it.if,
if they put it that way, I would help them erase their mistake, I would delete the e-mail/Fax/whatever.

they are saying please after all.

But if its done like a legal warning or if I perceive a threat.. I could react in a number of ways, depending on my karma of the day.

;)