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This has probably been done before, but oh well

I noticed that in the thread about what people did on the internet, pretty much everyone said "porn" at some point, whether jokingly or otherwise. My question: Does anyone hava any misgivings about porn, or is it just another part of everyday life? I look at porn from time to time (mainly when I'm bored), but I can never shake a faint feeling of guilt/self disgust after doing so. I blame a very rigid upbringing and community... thoughts?

Get over it?

What I loathe is how people are conditioned into feeling guilty about something that is both natural (it has been around in one form or another since at least antiquity), recreational and educational.

I think people should be feeling guilty about being such prudes, rather than watching porn.

I do not intend to glorify it, more than any other form of film, but really there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Porn is fine so long as the participants are willing and are able to consent to the actions involved. Porn for adults with adults produced by adults shouldn't be restricted.

Kinda meh about it now. I mean, once it was exciting but it quickly got repetitious (heh). I admit it was a mainstay when my wife and I were forced to be apart, but now that we're together... I just don't really have the need for it any more (Nor the time).

But... you're in Japan, right? Isn't Japan made of porn?

Kinda meh about it now. I mean, once it was exciting but it quickly got repetitious (heh). I admit it was a mainstay when my wife and I were forced to be apart, but now that we're together... I just don't really have the need for it any more (Nor the time).

[Message CONTENT? I don't NEED no message content... Headline said it all, didn't it?] Oh, I might wanna add a sad shaking of the head...

Oh, and by the way... try to quote me if you can...

There is far too much porn around in my opinion. It simply loses its appeal to me because of that - it is not special or exciting anymore.

Porn is fine so long as the participants are willing and are able to consent to the actions involved.

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

But yeah, if everybody participating makes an educated choice I don't really have anything against it.

This has probably been done before, but oh well

I noticed that in the thread about what people did on the internet, pretty much everyone said "porn" at some point, whether jokingly or otherwise. My question: Does anyone hava any misgivings about porn, or is it just another part of everyday life? I look at porn from time to time (mainly when I'm bored), but I can never shake a faint feeling of guilt/self disgust after doing so. I blame a very rigid upbringing and community... thoughts?

It's apart of life, as far as your feeling of guilt/self disgust, as Kat said, get over it.

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

Why not ? It is simply a job. Some people might actually enjoy it.

But... you're in Japan, right? Isn't Japan made of porn?
'Tis far, far easier to find, yeah, but I just honestly don't seek it out any more.

Why not ? It is simply a job. Some people might actually enjoy it.

maybe, how should I know?

maybe, how should I know?

By starting you own company? With yourself as your first 'star'?

maybe, how should I know?

Well.. what makes being in porn movies for a living vastly different from being an accountant, butcher, hairdresser, mechanic and so on in your eyes ?

looking at porn right noowwwwwww.......... gotta go

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

But yeah, if everybody participating makes an educated choice I don't really have anything against it.

Waaaaa? I'd love to spend a couple of years in the porn industry when it becomes legale for me to do so.

I wouldn't ban it, but, baseline, pr0n's a bad joke. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Message CONTENT? I don't NEED no message content... Headline said it all, didn't it?] Oh, I might wanna add a sad shaking of the head...

Oh, and by the way... try to quote me if you can...

Will do.

We likem dem titties?

http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20071224

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

But yeah, if everybody participating makes an educated choice I don't really have anything against it.
What do you mean, without really needing the money? We all need money for food and shelter. People get jobs because they need money. What somehow makes porn worse? And why is it that people say "well people who eat junk food choose to eat junk food so you shouldn't tax it since it's victimless" and yet when people go into porn (which is better when you think about it, porn is healthy, junk food isn't) it's considered reasonable to say "well despite that they're choosing to go into porn they shouldn't be" etc...?

Before I turned 18, my guilt in looking at porn was that I was dishonest about the "you must be over 18" things. I don't think porn was the problem, just the dishonesty. Now that I'm over 18, my guilt in looking at porn is that I'm using it instead of my imagination.

Porn's great, but the real thing is so much better. Just find someone you like and who likes you and hump constantly, every time it's physically possible, and you'll find there isn't alot of room in your life for porn.
At least until you start to tire of your new partner, and then you'll either need to find a new one or start watching porn together! And that is fun too! So I guess my vote is for porn, it's fun.

There is far too much porn around in my opinion. It simply loses its appeal to me because of that - it is not special or exciting anymore.

meh me too, i quit watching them 6 months ago

The Internet is for porn.

There is far too much porn around in my opinion. It simply loses its appeal to me because of that - it is not special or exciting anymore.

No, what you really mean is that you've looked at porn to much, not that there is too much around. Nobody forces you to go and watch porn just because it's there :p

Porn's great, but the real thing is so much better. Just find someone you like and who likes you and hump constantly, every time it's physically possible, and you'll find there isn't alot of room in your life for porn.

Unless you decide to film and sell it, then you'd still have plenty of time for porn. :D

By starting you own company? With yourself as your first 'star'?

Hmmm, I don't think I have the starting capital, but it sounds like a good plan, maybe I should take a loan...

Well.. what makes being in porn movies for a living vastly different from being an accountant, butcher, hairdresser, mechanic and so on in your eyes ?

Good question. The first obvious difference is that porn involves sex. Which is an important difference, sex plays a big part in human behavior unlike hairdressing for instance. But that doesn't mean that getting paid for it is wrong of course.
There are also dangers to the health of the actors, but I guess these are screened by most good companies (again, I wouldn't know).
There's also the fact that some parts are really humiliating to the actors (depending on the kinds of porn mostly), which can't really be said by accounting or butchering. I don't know but I don't think a porn actress has a good feeling about herself after a long day of work. Again I'm purely speculating, but I don't think they are very proud of themselves because they have *insert humiliating act here*. (I'm not saying they should be ashamed of this, or that they are, but it seems likely to me) I don't know if this has been done, but I'd like to see some psychological research of porn actors and actresses (especially regarding their self esteem and their views of sex, relations, the other sex etc). I'm probably overreacting (and I hope I am) but I don't think that being in extreme porn can have a beneficial effect on those things. While I don't think that being a hairdresser for instance has an effect on those things.
Finally I think (or maybe speculate or assume would be a better choice of word) that there are many people working in the sex business (porn and prostitution) because it's one of the last ways to earn money for a woman in some parts of the world. This might look like free will on first glance, because they weren't forced by gunpoint, but I guess most of them would prefer to be doing some other shitty job. If porn is such a big business it wouldn't seem odd to me that there was a fair bit of exploitation due to the fact that most of the people who can work in porn (young women) are very vulnerable to this. (if it happens in prostitution, where there is a lot of money, why wouldn't it happen in porn, where there is also a lot of money?).


So in short I think the main differences between acting in porn and working a 'normal job' would be:
- it involves having sex
- porn actors/actresses are vulnerable to various health risks
- some actions performed in pornography could maybe have damaging psychological effects on actors or actresses.
- people working in porn are more vulnerable to exploitation

There probably are others and most of these probably don't apply to the majority of people working in porn (I hope), an area in which I don't have any experience (except as a viewer). I don't have a problem with porn if it's done safe and out of free will, and I don't feel bad for watching it.

Hmmm, I don't think I have the starting capital, but it sounds like a good plan, maybe I should take a loan...

Considering the quality of some of the porn out there I don't imagine it would take all that much starting capital

This has probably been done before, but oh well

I noticed that in the thread about what people did on the internet, pretty much everyone said "porn" at some point, whether jokingly or otherwise. My question: Does anyone hava any misgivings about porn, or is it just another part of everyday life? I look at porn from time to time (mainly when I'm bored), but I can never shake a faint feeling of guilt/self disgust after doing so. I blame a very rigid upbringing and community... thoughts?

I don't know, I like it.

No, what you really mean is that you've looked at porn to much, not that there is too much around. Nobody forces you to go and watch porn just because it's there :p

You don't know that, maybe I've been holding a gun to his head and screaming "WATCH PORN NOW!!!"

KATE: The internet is really really great
TREKKIE MONSTER: For porn
KATE: I’ve got a fast connection so i don’t have to wait
TREKKIE: For porn
KATE: Huh?
There's always some new site,
TREKKIE:For porn!
KATE:I browse all day and night
TREKKIE: For porn!
KATE:It's like i’m surfing at the speed of light
TREKKIE: For porn!
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn,
KATE:What are you doing!?
TREKKIE: Why you think the net was born?
Porn porn porn
KATE:Treee—kkie!
TREKKIE: Oh hello kate monster
KATE: You are ruining my song
TREKKIE: Oh me sorry, me no mean to
KATE: Well if you wouldnt mind please being quiet for a minute so i can finish?
TREKKIE: Me no talkie
KATE: Good
I’m glad we have this new technology
TREKKIE: For porn
KATE: Which gives us untold opportunity
TREKKIE: For por—oops, sorry
KATE: Right from you own desktop
TREKKIE: For ---
KATE: You can research browse and shop
Until you’ve had enough and your ready to stop
TREKKIE: FOR PORN!!
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn!
KATE:Noooo
TREKKIE: The internet if for porn!
KATE:Trekkie
TREKKIE: Me up all night honking me horn to porn, porn, porn!
KATE:That’s gross you’re a pervert
TREKKIE: Ah, sticks and stones Kate monster
KATE:NO really, you are a pervert
Normal people don’t sit at home and look
At porn on the internet
TREKKIE: Ohhhh?
KATE: What?!
TREKKIE: You have no idea
Ready normal people?
NORMAL PEOPLE: Ready--- ready ----ready
TREKKIE: Let me hear it!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON: Sorry kate
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON: I masturbate!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: All these guys unzip their flies
For porn, porn, porn!
KATE: The internet is not for porn!!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: PORN!, PORN, P---
KATE: HOLD ON A SECOND!
Now i know for a fact that you, Rob, check your portfolio and trade stocks online
ROB: That’s correct.
KATE: And Brian, you buy things on Amazon.com
BRIAN: Sure!
KATE: And Gary, you keep selling your possesions on Ebay
GARY: Yes I do!
KATE: And Princeton, you sent me that sweet online birthday card
PRINCETON: True!
TREKKIE: Oh, but Kate-
What you think he do . . .after? hmm?
PRINCETON: . .yeah
KATE: EEEWWWWW!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
KATE: Gross!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
KATE: I hate porn
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Grab your dick and double click
KATE: I hate you men!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: For porn, porn, porn!
(harmonizing) porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE: I’m leaving!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Porn, porn, porn, porn
porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE: I hate the internet!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Porn, porn, porn, porn
TREKKIE: The internet is for
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for PORN!
TREKKIE: YEAH!


:D

Well.. what makes being in porn movies for a living vastly different from being an accountant, butcher, hairdresser, mechanic and so on in your eyes ?

Lying down on the job doesn't get you fired. :p

There's also the fact that some parts are really humiliating to the actors (depending on the kinds of porn mostly), which can't really be said by accounting or butchering.

Even assuming that what you find humiliating is also found to be humiliating by Porn Star X you do know that some people are aroused by being humiliated and degraded right? Seems like if you have a humiliating part you'd give it to someone who gets off on such things if at all possible. Happy workers make better porn.

Lying down on the job doesn't get you fired. :p

... sleeping with the boss is a good thing?

... when people say you got the job lying on your back with your feet in the air, it will not be an insult?

@ it involves having sex:
well if more jobs would involve sex people might tend more 2 such jobs as the state of mind in society would change.. tending more 2 hedonism and less 2 prudety..

@porn actors/actresses are vulnerable to various health risks
it´s up 2 the people if they fuck with or without rubber.. they have the same choice 2 decide for or against this job so as people can choose becoming a soldier or not.. the funny thing is that soldiers have a better reputation than actors in sex movies (otherwise soldiers might get even more psychological prob than they have by now e.g. after killing people in other countys).. if u watch what people have 2 learn in/for the job and what their job is all about, well i am not so sure that learning 2 kill should have a better standing than getting more xperience in fucking..

@some actions performed in pornography could maybe have damaging psychological effects on actors or actresses

well if society changes more 2 porn and sex in common jobs (see above) people wouldn´t have this problems with fucking on sreen.. interseting question is in this context: if people watching the stuff do not have 2 get psychical probs - why should people acting for the auience get this probs and hoch much does society/culture generate this psychological probs (e.g. in comparison 2 soldiers - see above)

@people working in porn are more vulnerable to exploitation
relating 2 marx there are just exploiter and exloited people.. at least every employee is exploited and every company-owner is exploitater.. good stuff cause that keeps societys going and gives the people wellfare..

at least: join the holy republic of anarchisticpogobalcans and u will fuck as much as u want before and behind the screen and nobody will offend u - because everything about sex is so common that an pornindustry does not exist anymore as people broadcast about the net their own porns for acquire new sex-partners.. :mp5:

No, what you really mean is that you've looked at porn to much, not that there is too much around. Nobody forces you to go and watch porn just because it's there :p

Late night tv and my spam mailbox disagree. Porn is almost impossible to avoid (unless you are willing to make sacrifices; like .e.g. no more email)

Should've guessed that there bound to be quotes from "Avenue Q"...

... I don't really like musicals (... well maybe "The Producers",... and intrigued by "Wicked") but I think this is probably one of the funniest Broadway musicals ever.

Of course I say that because I don't know much about Broadway musicals.

Even assuming that what you find humiliating is also found to be humiliating by Porn Star X you do know that some people are aroused by being humiliated and degraded right? Seems like if you have a humiliating part you'd give it to someone who gets off on such things if at all possible. Happy workers make better porn.

yes, I realize that.

The Internet is for porn.

TREKKIE!

Late night tv and my spam mailbox disagree. Porn is almost impossible to avoid (unless you are willing to make sacrifices; like .e.g. no more email)

Sure it is. Don't open the e-mails, delete them instead, and don't watch the channels that are showing porn.

If you find it impossible to avoid porn I would suggest that the problem lies with you not with the availability of porn...

Should've guessed that there bound to be quotes from "Avenue Q"...

... I don't really like musicals (... well maybe "The Producers",... and intrigued by "Wicked") but I think this is probably one of the funniest Broadway musicals ever.

Of course I say that because I don't know much about Broadway musicals.

would you prefer and Avenue Q-less music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg)?

Edit: Link to video with subtitles.

Also, what about porn not involving actors, like hentai?

Also, what about porn not involving actors, like hentai?

They have the people who do voices ... Which is pretty good acting.

I don't really care too much about it. It's not interesting to me for the most part.

I think porn is one of those things people do as a last resort, when you messed up bad in school or have huge amounts of debt...

I also know it will never be totally banned or curtailed because of the large amounts of money it makes...

People should feel just a tiny bit guilty about looking at porn, because you are helping prop up an industry that takes advantage of people.

Still, if you wanna look at porn and/or be in porn, I guess you should have the right to do so...

I think porn is one of those things people do as a last resort, when you messed up bad in school or have huge amounts of debt...

I also know it will never be totally banned or curtailed because of the large amounts of money it makes...

People should feel just a tiny bit guilty about looking at porn, because you are helping prop up an industry that takes advantage of people.

Still, if you wanna look at porn and/or be in porn, I guess you should have the right to do so...

Well the actors/actresses do take advantage of the public.

would you prefer and Avenue Q-less music video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg)?

Edit: Link to video with subtitles.

Seen that JuNii, that and Least I Could Do introduced me to Avenue Q.

Doesn't appeal to me.

Seen that JuNii, that and Least I Could Do introduced me to Avenue Q.

Can't find the Video I saw. It was an AMV featuring various Anime...

Get over it?

lol

KATE: The internet is really really great
TREKKIE MONSTER: For porn
KATE: I’ve got a fast connection so i don’t have to wait
TREKKIE: For porn
KATE: Huh?
There's always some new site,
TREKKIE:For porn!
KATE:I browse all day and night
TREKKIE: For porn!
KATE:It's like i’m surfing at the speed of light
TREKKIE: For porn!
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn,
KATE:What are you doing!?
TREKKIE: Why you think the net was born?
Porn porn porn
KATE:Treee—kkie!
TREKKIE: Oh hello kate monster
KATE: You are ruining my song
TREKKIE: Oh me sorry, me no mean to
KATE: Well if you wouldnt mind please being quiet for a minute so i can finish?
TREKKIE: Me no talkie
KATE: Good
I’m glad we have this new technology
TREKKIE: For porn
KATE: Which gives us untold opportunity
TREKKIE: For por—oops, sorry
KATE: Right from you own desktop
TREKKIE: For ---
KATE: You can research browse and shop
Until you’ve had enough and your ready to stop
TREKKIE: FOR PORN!!
KATE:Trekkie!
TREKKIE: The internet is for porn!
KATE:Noooo
TREKKIE: The internet if for porn!
KATE:Trekkie
TREKKIE: Me up all night honking me horn to porn, porn, porn!
KATE:That’s gross you’re a pervert
TREKKIE: Ah, sticks and stones Kate monster
KATE:NO really, you are a pervert
Normal people don’t sit at home and look
At porn on the internet
TREKKIE: Ohhhh?
KATE: What?!
TREKKIE: You have no idea
Ready normal people?
NORMAL PEOPLE: Ready--- ready ----ready
TREKKIE: Let me hear it!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON: Sorry kate
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON: I masturbate!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: All these guys unzip their flies
For porn, porn, porn!
KATE: The internet is not for porn!!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: PORN!, PORN, P---
KATE: HOLD ON A SECOND!
Now i know for a fact that you, Rob, check your portfolio and trade stocks online
ROB: That’s correct.
KATE: And Brian, you buy things on Amazon.com
BRIAN: Sure!
KATE: And Gary, you keep selling your possesions on Ebay
GARY: Yes I do!
KATE: And Princeton, you sent me that sweet online birthday card
PRINCETON: True!
TREKKIE: Oh, but Kate-
What you think he do . . .after? hmm?
PRINCETON: . .yeah
KATE: EEEWWWWW!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
KATE: Gross!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for porn!
KATE: I hate porn
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Grab your dick and double click
KATE: I hate you men!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: For porn, porn, porn!
(harmonizing) porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE: I’m leaving!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Porn, porn, porn, porn
porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE: I hate the internet!
TREKKIE AND GUYS: Porn, porn, porn, porn
TREKKIE: The internet is for
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for
TREKKIE AND GUYS: The internet is for PORN!
TREKKIE: YEAH!


:D

The internet is for porn song =]

Love it. I like watching it, alone or with my BF, and I like taking pics or short clips...

Love it. I like watching it, alone or with my BF, and I like taking pics or short clips...

Do you have similar tastes in porn or just take it in turns to choose?

Now that I'm over 18, my guilt in looking at porn is that I'm using it instead of my imagination.
Consider it to be fuel for your imagination. Sometimes you just need a bit of inspiration.

screw that... I wanna know where I can find some of her clips and pics! :D

You're right :eek:

I'm a little concerned that that wasn't my initial thought

Love it. I like watching it, alone or with my BF, and I like taking pics or short clips...
Do you have similar tastes in porn or just take it in turns to choose?
screw that... I wanna know where I can find some of her clips and pics! :D

People should feel just a tiny bit guilty about looking at porn, because you are helping prop up an industry that takes advantage of people.
Capitalism in general takes advantage of people, so that's not much of an argument. Following that logic, you should also feel guilty when simply consuming products of services.

Consider it to be fuel for your imagination. Sometimes you just need a bit of inspiration.

That's what your memory is for ;)

That's what your memory is for ;)

I don't have memories of orgies.......yet

I don't have memories of orgies.......yet

Oh you have to get yourself some :)

Oh you have to get yourself some :)

already working on it :D

Orgies? Granted, it sounds great in theory, but just try setting one up. Or, more important, keeping it up during one of those soggy events.

If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen."

If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake.
... which would be made worse should you show up at the wrong house.

Porn is fine so long as the participants are willing and are able to consent to the actions involved.No. Porn needs either a good plot, or no plot at all. Something in between those two extremes is definitely not fine, as it destroys the mood.

Do you have similar tastes in porn or just take it in turns to choose?

We tend to have similar tastes. And what the other doesn't like, we watch alone.

screw that... I wanna know where I can find some of her clips and pics! :D

Not online, I can assure you ;)

Not online, I can assure you ;)

So, could we purchase copies? ;)

So, could we purchase copies? ;)

Nope. I share them for free with people of my choice ;)

Nope. I share them for free with people of my choice ;)

OK

pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me! pick me!


:D;)

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

But yeah, if everybody participating makes an educated choice I don't really have anything against it.

And I can't really imagine someone willingly going into a stuffy office and sitting in a tiny, back-wrenching cubicle to do tedious work on a computer without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

Late night tv and my spam mailbox disagree. Porn is almost impossible to avoid (unless you are willing to make sacrifices; like .e.g. no more email)
No more HTML-mails fully suffices. And not clicking on suspicious links...

Edit: What I think about pron? it's annoying... steals my time for more important things...

Nope. I share them for free with people of my choice ;)

*Checks E-mail*

:(

The Internet is for porn.

I was wondering how long it would take for that to come. >.>

As for my personal views on the legality of pornography, as long as the performers are consenting, then it should be legal.

As for my views of the other aspects of it, the only users of it are the weak-minded and weak-willed who can't control their desires. :p

Or, the unimaginative.

Or both.

*Checks E-mail*

:(

I should have phrased that better... I exchange. So if you send me some of yourself... ;)

I was wondering how long it would take for that to come. >.>

As for my personal views on the legality of pornography, as long as the performers are consenting, then it should be legal.

As for my views of the other aspects of it, the only users of it are the weak-minded and weak-willed who can't control their desires. :p

Or, the unimaginative.

Or both.

Yeah, right. I'm weak through and through... http://www.reloaded.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif

Yeah, right. I'm weak through and through... http://www.reloaded.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif

Probably. Are you over 160 proof?

Maybe porn should be defined. To me porn is degrading to everyone involved. It dehumanizes.

Erotica, on the other hand, can be fun and entertaining.

Maybe porn should be defined. To me porn is degrading to everyone involved. It dehumanizes.

Erotica, on the other hand, can be fun and entertaining.

Today's porn is tomorrow's erotica :D

Probably. Are you over 160 proof?

Hey, I live in Ireland.

Maybe porn should be defined. To me porn is degrading to everyone involved. It dehumanizes.

Erotica, on the other hand, can be fun and entertaining.

What's the difference, exactly?

p...ppics of myself?

wish I could... but my camera keeps breaking... :(

*lol
The number of times I've heard THAT one... :D

I was wondering how long it would take for that to come. >.>

As for my personal views on the legality of pornography, as long as the performers are consenting, then it should be legal.

As for my views of the other aspects of it, the only users of it are the weak-minded and weak-willed who can't control their desires. :p

Or, the unimaginative.

Or both.I dunno... I've seen some porn and they are very imaginative...

some could be considered works of art.

for others... it's the only form of excercise they get. :D

I should have phrased that better... I exchange. So if you send me some of yourself... ;)
p...ppics of myself?

wish I could... but my camera keeps breaking... :(

I can always find time for good porn.

j/k lol I want to play with you generalites
guess whose puppet am IDunno. Doesn't really matter. Trolling isn't all that legal here, though at least you have the decency to admit to it.

A puppet popping up in a thread about porn... that sounds hot for some twisted reason!

Dunno. Doesn't really matter. Trolling isn't all that legal here, though at least you have the decency to admit to it.
nobody wants to play guess who i am?

alright, i'll just delete my post. :(

I don't have any "moral" objection to porn.

It's not good for me personally. I know that the pleasure of sex is primarily of the tactile sense, and find that having my libido stimulated by sight and sound leaves me feeling rather messed-up.

Uncomfortable underwear, now that I like. If it's on me. :)

Maybe porn should be defined. To me porn is degrading to everyone involved. It dehumanizes.

Erotica, on the other hand, can be fun and entertaining.

*concurs, a bit*

Hey, I live in Ireland.

Well, not quite Russia, but close enough. :D

Porn is fine so long as the participants are willing and are able to consent to the actions involved. Porn for adults with adults produced by adults shouldn't be restricted.

Hear, hear!


My thoughts? Tom Lehrer put it best ...:
I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it. Unfortunately the civil liberties types who are fighting this issue have to fight it owing to the nature of the laws as a matter of freedom of speech and stifling of free expression and so on but we know what's really involved: dirty books are fun. That's all there is to it. But you can't get up in a court and say that I suppose. It's simply a matter of freedom of pleasure, a right which is not guaranteed by the Constitution unfortunately. Anyway, since people seem to be marching for their causes these days I have here a march for mine. It's called...

Smut!
Give me smut and nothing but!
A dirty novel I can't shut,
If it's uncut,
and unsubt- le.

I've never quibbled
If it was ribald,
I would devour where others merely nibbled.
As the judge remarked the day that he
acquitted my Aunt Hortense,
"To be smut
It must be ut-
Terly without redeeming social importance."

Por-
Nographic pictures I adore.
Indecent magazines galore,
I like them more
If they're hard core.

(Bring on the obscene movies, murals, postcards, neckties,
samplers, stained-glass windows, tattoos, anything!
More, more, I'm still not satisfied!)

Stories of tortures
Used by debauchers,
Lurid, licentious, and vile,
Make me smile.
Novels that pander
To my taste for candor
Give me a pleasure sublime.
(Let's face it, I love slime.)

All books can be indecent books
Though recent books are bolder,
For filth (I'm glad to say) is in
the mind of the beholder.
When correctly viewed,
Everything is lewd.
(I could tell you things about Peter Pan,
And the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man!)

I thrill
To any book like Fanny Hill,
And I suppose I always will,
If it is swill
And really fil
thy.

Who needs a hobby like tennis or philately?
I've got a hobby: rereading Lady Chatterley.
But now they're trying to take it all
away from us unless
We take a stand, and hand in hand
we fight for freedom of the press.
In other words,

Smut! (I love it)
Ah, the adventures of a slut.
Oh, I'm a market they can't glut,
I don't know what
Compares with smut.

Hip hip hooray!
Let's hear it for the Supreme Court!
Don't let them take it away!

I find porn to be a sticky subject.









Personally, I feel that porn is a poor substitute for a woman. I believe that most people will look at porn if they think they can do it privately, at home, over the internet.

I loves me some porn. But I like what I like, and I don't like what I don't like. I'm not goin to watch porn that turns me off or disgusts me, but as long as it's consensual, I don't care that it's produced for people with different tastes.

Porn is an abomination against God and defiles the sanctity of life. Every time you masturbate you kill billions of Gods Children. Jesus never touched his penis and niether should ya'll. You can have all the dirty demon porn in Hell!

(No hard-line Christians have showed up yet, so I said 'What the hell..')

Anyway, I enjoy porn when I can't find a real woman to be with. But it gets so boring sometimes, so much so I can't even get aroused at the sight of a nice set to tits because I saw those same tits ten minutes ago on another site.

Porn is like politics sometimes. It is the same regurgitated crap spewed out over and over and over and over and over...

Nah, porn means I get a bit less muscle definition in my arms. :(

You got a link for that?

Actually I think I do somewhere, but I'll get banned if I post it.

Porn is an abomination against God and defiles the sanctity of life. Every time you masturbate you kill billions of Gods Children. Jesus never touched his penis and niether should ya'll. You can have all the dirty demon porn in Hell!

You got a link for that?

I don't know how you guys do it, but I can't stand watching porn for more than 3 minutes. It's like, oh great, 2 people fucking. Takes about 30 seconds to look at rather or not the woman even looks good, fast forward to the middle, stares at the screen, fast forward to the end.

Drawing porn, on the other hand, is a lot more fun in my book. At least it involves active imagination rather than passive blank staring at the screen.

You got a link for that?

tits or gfto

I rarely look at it anymore, thank God.

Porn is disgusting and gross and is only marketed through nasty men. I don't think porn should be outlawed in any way. I do not look at porn myself and don't intend on it. It is a disgrace what it does to people and disrespect to their bodies for small sums of money.

I meant to say porn shouldn't be outlawed just for the fact it is any humans choice to exploit their body like that.

I find porn to be a sticky subject.









Personally, I feel that porn is a poor substitute for a woman. I believe that most people will look at porn if they think they can do it privately, at home, over the internet.

No form of sex is a substitute for another... having sex with a partner isn't exactly substitute for mastrubation, nor is masturbation a substitue for sex with a partner.
Porn is just another stimulus, really.

Porn is disgusting and gross and is only marketed through nasty men. I don't think porn should be outlawed in any way. I do not look at porn myself and don't intend on it. It is a disgrace what it does to people and disrespect to their bodies for small sums of money.

If you don't look at it, how do you know it's disgusting and gross?
And what's disrespecting about it? If anything it celebrates bodies...

Porn is like politics sometimes. It is the same regurgitated crap spewed out over and over and over and over and over...
Now that comparison is an awfully effective way to take the salaciousness out of porn. As an added 'bonus' I'm now visualizing the political arena as a sempiternal bukkake marathon. Ew.

Thinking about it... I think what I dont like about porn isnt so much the porn itself, but the way its portrayed/marketed. All those cheesy taglines about "this dirty cum dumpster slut getting it every way blah blah blah..." just makes everything feel cheap and somewhat shameful. Not to mention the oh-so-legendary storylines of your average porno. There is some truly exceptional stuff, like SuicideGirls and its successors, that manages to break this barrier and provide a very different "feel". But not enough. ATM if I feel like porn I'd rather read some really good erotica. More imagination required

I find porn to be a sticky subject.
Really? I find the results of Porn to be very sticky indeed... but not the porn itself.

Unless you're "closer to the source" than others.

Really? I find the results of Porn to be very sticky indeed... but not the porn itself.

Unless you're "closer to the source" than others.

Obviously he needs better aim or just to back up a little ;)

Obviously he needs better aim or just to back up a little ;)

EWWWWWW... I would prefer he just cleans up after...

EWWWWWW... I would prefer he just cleans up after...

OK, I guess that would work to

Porn is disgusting and gross and is only marketed through nasty men. I don't think porn should be outlawed in any way. I do not look at porn myself and don't intend on it. It is a disgrace what it does to people and disrespect to their bodies for small sums of money.

Oh so large sums of money would make it okay in your mind?

Porn is disgusting and gross and is only marketed through nasty men. I don't think porn should be outlawed in any way. I do not look at porn myself and don't intend on it. It is a disgrace what it does to people and disrespect to their bodies for small sums of money.



$500/day before taxes for a simple 1 on 1 20 min porn movie is a small sum of money?
And wait until you see the rates for all the different fetishes... :eek:

Anyways..... whats so different about hiring your body out to a porn movie company and say, hiring your body out to a political party, the only difference is in one you get to keep your clothes on while you f**k people.

Not to seem perverted but I think porn is an excellent form of expression of the beauty of the human sexuality.I believe people who want to ban it are making to big of a deal out of it. Because porn is human sexuality in it's purest form.And can someone expain how participating being a porn actor is a disgrace because I don't think that.

Not to seem perverted but I think porn is an excellent form of expression of the beauty of the human sexuality.

That's odd. You have this activity with many associated other activities (flirting, play, romance, trust, parenthood, sublimation in many ways including erotica) -- but the essence of it is physical contact.

That you would see a visual, audio-visual or written depiction of this core activity as "an excellent form of expression" suggests you don't like the act much, to participate in.

I believe people who want to ban it are making to big of a deal out of it.

People who want to ban it are fucktards who should mind their own business.

Because porn is human sexuality in it's purest form.

That's the first point again, made even more adamantly. To the point of being weird. Permit me an analogy:

If I grow a potato, gather firewood and cook myself a potato, then sit down and eat it, I am "feeding myself" in the purest form.

Now, if I work in the plastic widget factory, take my pay down to the main street and eat in the pizzeria, I am still feeding myself.

But if I stand outside the pizzeria and watch people eating pizza, I'm not feeding myself at all. Merely stimulating my appetite.

I hope this analogy shows what I find to be really weird about your comment. A person's sexuality is something a human does. Porn is the portrayal of something some other human does, and the consumption of it cannot satisfy all one's needs (unless one is a pure voyeur I guess.)

And can someone expain how participating being a porn actor is a disgrace because I don't think that.

Nah, I don't get that either. It's probably a reaction against the object of desire which one cannot practically have sex with ... a kind of resentment. I dunno.

That's odd. You have this activity with many associated other activities (flirting, play, romance, trust, parenthood, sublimation in many ways including erotica) -- but the essence of it is physical contact.

That you would see a visual, audio-visual or written depiction of this core activity as "an excellent form of expression" suggests you don't like the act much, to participate in.



People who want to ban it are fucktards who should mind their own business.



That's the first point again, made even more adamantly. To the point of being weird. Permit me an analogy:

If I grow a potato, gather firewood and cook myself a potato, then sit down and eat it, I am "feeding myself" in the purest form.

Now, if I work in the plastic widget factory, take my pay down to the main street and eat in the pizzeria, I am still feeding myself.

But if I stand outside the pizzeria and watch people eating pizza, I'm not feeding myself at all. Merely stimulating my appetite.

I hope this analogy shows what I find to be really weird about your comment. A person's sexuality is something a human does. Porn is the portrayal of something some other human does, and the consumption of it cannot satisfy all one's needs (unless one is a pure voyeur I guess.)



Nah, I don't get that either. It's probably a reaction against the object of desire which one cannot practically have sex with ... a kind of resentment. I dunno.

Dude,give me a break OK,I'm a virgin.

Ah porn,

I get to it every once in a while, at some point I began. After a couple of years, a pattern has began to appear.

I enjoy, and slowy get tired of what im watching (the norm.)
Due to boredom of repitiveness, I begen to look up strange things, things I wouldnt consider myself to be intrested in.
I then begen to question myself, why am I doing this, I cant stop. Im not even ejoying it.
I then slowly ween myself from it.
Then I go a couple of months without ever thinking about a pornsite again.
Then the cycle renews, and I start looking at porn everyday again.

Well. That's what happens to me, as far as my opinion goes I think its perfectly fine. And its the only fun thing to do on the internet when your tired of playing games or looking up random jokes on google. Nothing serious I believe.

Dude,give me a break OK,I'm a virgin.

*breaks Noso's leg*

Hey, you might meet a nurse with a heart of gold! :D

Tool of the devil...:mad:

Tool of the devil...:mad:

I've never seen that. You must be watching some hardcore stuff ...

Porn is one of those things that the Victorians managed to villify, and humanity has yet to recover. When you consider that some of the earliest cave drawings are of erotic art, that some of the most detail artwork in architectural history is the Kama Sutra carved onto temples, well, it gets to a point that one wonders why it's so evil.

The Greeks weren't the only ones to go around showing it off. Egypt was doing it way before. Do you honestly think those thin white tops the ladies were wearing concealed anything? People make jokes about Scotsmen not wearing undergarments, but pharaohs outdid them by a long stretch. And of course, photography became wildly popular once guys realized that they could acquire pictures of their favorite images.

What's the difference, exactly?

Now there's a sticking point. With the exception of kiddie porn and snuff, which should be outlawed, categorically, porn is pretty much in the eye of the beholder.

I like it!

I rarely look at it anymore, thank God.
Yeah, what with RL feminine interests and all :rolleyes:

Yeah, what with RL feminine interests and all :rolleyes:

Why would that stop anybody? :confused:

the only thing that bugs me are the bass-tards who want you to pay them huge amounts of money to see someone naked or having sex.

why the hell should that ever cost anything?

nutty nutty backward headed world.

i think it's that first that's the only reason for all the bad things that sometimes go with it ever happen.

=^^=
.../\...

Why would that stop anybody? :confused:

Normal people, you mean?
:p
It's Zilam!

Normal people, you mean?
:p
It's Zilam!

The guy who can never make up his mind if he would just be a normal likeable person, or an annoying, holier-than-thou missionary? Yep, you've got a point there *lol

I've got a fairly basic problem with it as a feminist. I tend to watch hentai, given that by the feminist argument I can't see who's being exploited and it's clearly fantasy, so it oughtn't affect one's attitudes towards women.

I've got a fairly basic problem with it as a feminist. I tend to watch hentai, given that by the feminist argument I can't see who's being exploited and it's clearly fantasy, so it oughtn't affect one's attitudes towards women.

If computer generated images (not motion captured or rotoscopically overlaid, totally synthetic, maybe humans handling the voice work) were used, that were essentially indistinguishable from actual humans, would that be okay?

I've got a fairly basic problem with it as a feminist. I tend to watch hentai, given that by the feminist argument I can't see who's being exploited and it's clearly fantasy, so it oughtn't affect one's attitudes towards women.

See, that's maybe me being a German feminist on this one, but I honestly don't see how it would be women being exploited. I understand their salary is actually a good bit higher than the male actors'.
There is of course porn that depicts rape (staged or not, who knows) or other forms of violent behaviour, and I am aware that some women are forced into the business against their will. But claiming that all pron is degrading to women because some producers will exploit their actresses is a bit like claiming that the car industry is nothing but a bunch or crooks simply because some car sales men will sell you dodgy vehicles...

See, that's maybe me being a German feminist on this one, but I honestly don't see how it would be women being exploited. I understand their salary is actually a good bit higher than the male actors'.
There is of course porn that depicts rape (staged or not, who knows) or other forms of violent behaviour, and I am aware that some women are forced into the business against their will. But claiming that all pron is degrading to women because some producers will exploit their actresses is a bit like claiming that the car industry is nothing but a bunch or crooks simply because some car sales men will sell you dodgy vehicles...

S'an apt comparison, that.

You know who gets treated poorly in porn? Asians. Male asians. Disturbing disproportionately low representation of male asians in smut.

S'an apt comparison, that.

You know who gets treated poorly in porn? Asians. Male asians. Disturbing disproportionately low representation of male asians in smut.

Y'know, there might be a statistical reason for that...

Y'know, there might be a statistical reason for that...

Oh man...poor Chinawomen...they must trudge about all day looking for outliers...

But how often are they? (not a rhetorical question) I can't really imagine someone willingly going into porn, without really needing the money, or because they didn't really know what they signed for.

But yeah, if everybody participating makes an educated choice I don't really have anything against it.

If needing the money is considered extortion then there are plenty of other industries that need to be looked into.

I can't imagine anyone working in a sweatshop if they don't need the money. I can't imagine anyone stocking shelves in the freezer section of a supermarket without needing the money. I can't imagine anyone being a resident at a hospital without needing the money that comes from being a doctor.

Any job people take is going to be because they need money.

I will say this about porn: it is pretty much useless as sex education.

The portrayal of negotiation, experimentation, foreplay and plain fun is so scanty as to be positively misleading. No matter how they pretend otherwise, the 'actors' are contracted to have sex with each other. They do.

Once, just once, I'd like to see a porno where one of the 'actors' gets a phone call from their mother half-way through the action, gets up off the bed, gets dressed and leaves. And the other masturbates on the couch for a while, then puts the cat out and goes to bed.

Just a bit of bloody reality, that's all I ask. Perhaps what I'm talking is not "porn" so much as "French movie." Sex as a part of real life ... yes, such movies exist, but we don't call them "porn."

I will say this about porn: it is pretty much useless as sex education.

The portrayal of negotiation, experimentation, foreplay and plain fun is so scanty as to be positively misleading. No matter how they pretend otherwise, the 'actors' are contracted to have sex with each other. They do.

Once, just once, I'd like to see a porno where one of the 'actors' gets a phone call from their mother half-way through the action, gets up off the bed, gets dressed and leaves. And the other masturbates on the couch for a while, then puts the cat out and goes to bed.

Just a bit of bloody reality, that's all I ask. Perhaps what I'm talking is not "porn" so much as "French movie." Sex as a part of real life ... yes, such movies exist, but we don't call them "porn."


Reality porn...win immunity or you might get voted off the redhead.

I saw a porno once where they took the girls around to porn shops and had the girls do guys...it was still pretty staged, but they found some...what's the word...guys who really really looked like what you'd find in a porn store at 3am. Midnight Prowl, I think the series was called.

I will say this about porn: it is pretty much useless as sex education.

The portrayal of negotiation, experimentation, foreplay and plain fun is so scanty as to be positively misleading. No matter how they pretend otherwise, the 'actors' are contracted to have sex with each other. They do.

Once, just once, I'd like to see a porno where one of the 'actors' gets a phone call from their mother half-way through the action, gets up off the bed, gets dressed and leaves. And the other masturbates on the couch for a while, then puts the cat out and goes to bed.

Just a bit of bloody reality, that's all I ask. Perhaps what I'm talking is not "porn" so much as "French movie." Sex as a part of real life ... yes, such movies exist, but we don't call them "porn."

And make it less repetitive - it gets boring. I mean, how many times can "Big John and Viveca do it with fruit?"

Reality porn...win immunity or you might get voted off the redhead.

I saw a porno once where they took the girls around to porn shops and had the girls do guys...it was still pretty staged, but they found some...what's the word...guys who really really looked like what you'd find in a porn store at 3am. Midnight Prowl, I think the series was called.

Yeah, that's half-right. At least one of the couple would be genuinely having sex just because they wanted to. But it's half-wrong, too, because the other is contracted to have sex. How likely is the scenario really? Should people go to porn shops because they might get free sex? Pretty long shot, I'd say ...

I used to get into amateur porn, couples having sex for the fun and making a buck off it more or less as afterthought. People act funny around a camera, though ... so it often looked more like amateur acting.

Which brings us to upskirt and hidden cameras, which are pretty much illegal. Sure, the person might agree in retrospect, but it's a grey area whether it's OK to violate their privacy in the first place.

And make it less repetitive - it gets boring. I mean, how many times can "Big John and Viveca do it with fruit?"

I've come to the conclusion that watching other people have sex is just boring. Some fruit might help ...

I guess I can still go for a bit of soft-core, if the people are a bit real-looking not just cookie-cutter blondes ... but I think I'm looking at them as beautiful specimens not objects of desire.

Perhaps I'm just at the nadir of this cycle Moanarouge mentioned:

I enjoy, and slowy get tired of what im watching (the norm.)
Due to boredom of repitiveness, I begen to look up strange things, things I wouldnt consider myself to be intrested in.
I then begen to question myself, why am I doing this, I cant stop. Im not even ejoying it.
I then slowly ween myself from it.
Then I go a couple of months without ever thinking about a pornsite again.
Then the cycle renews, and I start looking at porn everyday again.

Hmm. I could go a piece of fruit ... ;)