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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/25/tiger.attack/index.html

:(

I suppose it was necessary as from the sound of it, two people were in the process of being attacked. You probably can't wait for a tranquilizer to take effect. Poor thing.

Oh, One person dead, two injured.

perhaps it would be a good idea to not keep animals in fenced off areas and cages?
and before anyone gives me the old ''they're in a zoo because they're endangered'' line, that's our fault too i'd imagine.

Poor people.

I'm wondering how the tiger managed to get out.

Poor people.

I have some sympathy for the person who died. I don't hold death in particularly high regard. But other than that, they were there by choice. The tiger was not.

I have some sympathy for the person who died. I don't hold death in particularly high regard. But other than that, they were there by choice. The tiger was not.

Would we shoot a clown for throwing pies?

Ok.."I" might..but otherwise, no.

Do we shoot the rooster for crowing?

Why do we shoot the tiger for being a tiger?

Would we shoot a clown for throwing pies?

Ok.."I" might..but otherwise, no.

:eek:

Do we shoot the rooster for crowing?

Why do we shoot the tiger for being a tiger?

To save the people it was attacking. Unfortunately, the policeman has a responsibility toward the people and not the tiger. On the other hand, if he were a good cop, he'd also shoot the zoo owner. *nod*

Poor me,... no tiger rugs today :D

Ehhh, not really. I'm just being an ass.

Would we shoot a clown for throwing pies?

Ok.."I" might..but otherwise, no.

Do we shoot the rooster for crowing?

Why do we shoot the tiger for being a tiger?I believe some barbaric states do execute people for being people still.

On the other hand, if he were a good cop, he'd also shoot the zoo owner. *nod*Oh come on. Shit happens. I'm not seeing you campaigning for the death of drivers.

Oh come on. Shit happens. I'm not seeing you campaigning for the death of drivers.

I didn't say 'kill', I said 'shoot'.

Drivers seem to be more than capable of killing eachother. *nod*

:eek:

Oh not to worry.
I dont even have a gun.
Besides...your one of the good ones, aint yeh?



To save the people it was attacking. Unfortunately, the policeman has a responsibility toward the people and not the tiger. On the other hand, if he were a good cop, he'd also shoot the zoo owner. *nod*

6 billion people...
Less than 5000 tigers.
Just sayin'.

Oh not to worry.
I dont even have a gun.
Besides...your one of the good ones, aint yeh?




6 billion people...
Less than 5000 tigers.
Just sayin'.

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:D

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I actually thought he would be posting about Tiger Woods... :(

I'm willing to bet that LG got atleast over 100 gigs of clown image macros.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/25/tiger.attack/index.html

:(

I suppose it was necessary as from the sound of it, two people were in the process of being attacked. You probably can't wait for a tranquilizer to take effect. Poor thing.

Oh, One person dead, two injured.

I could (wait that is {unless I was the one being attacked})

I have two questions, then:

If this tiger already attacked his keeper -- why did they not destroy it already?
What kind of secure practices did the zoo have if it was possible for a tiger to get loose, walk into a cafe, and maul three people? Were the keepers unaware that it had gotten loose before it wandered into a patron area?

I have two questions, then:

If this tiger already attacked his keeper -- why did they not destroy it already?


Siberian Tigers are ultra rare nowadays.

Siberian Tigers are ultra rare nowadays.

Yes... but the problem is that keepers need to get into physical contact with these critters -- if you have one that knows that keepers make tasty treats, then it's a definite danger to anyone working there.

Seems to me that on many, many levels this was completely preventable. I would not be surprised if there were a lawsuit brought against the zoo.

poor tiger

ah, at least it died A WARRIORS DEATH!

I'm willing to bet that LG got atleast over 100 gigs of clown image macros.

Not just clowns, but I do keep a decent selection of silly to call upon when needed. Lately, I've been into audio clips:

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poor tiger

ah, at least it died A WARRIORS DEATH!Pity those drunk fools in Valhal, who're about to become snacks.

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:D

I have soap, am proficient in its use, and will use it on the first provocation.

:p

I like how all the news was like "there was even a moat" when talking about the tiger habitat. Hey, dipshits, tigers swim. These arn't some fucking baboons that are like "omg, wtf is this wet shit? I'm not going over there." No, they are tigers, they are like "hell yeah, I'm goin' for a swim and eatin' some people."

Siberian Tigers are ultra rare nowadays.

Yea, too bad they're a bit rarer, now, however necessary it may have been. Siberian Tigers are beautiful animals...also the utter top of the food chain (minus humans, obviously) as I think they're the only animal that will actively hunt a polar bear.

I like how all the news was like "there was even a moat" when talking about the tiger habitat. Hey, dipshits, tigers swim. These arn't some fucking baboons that are like "omg, wtf is this wet shit? I'm not going over there." No, they are tigers, they are like "hell yeah, I'm goin' for a swim and eatin' some people."

even a MOAT!?

who would of thought a tiger would of had the athletic prowess to make it across THE MOAT!

Siberian Tigers are ultra rare nowadays.

So how many booster packs would I have to buy to get a complete Streak of Siberian Tigers?

Would the Siberian Tiger group be a water or ice type?

Maybe the zookeepers thought they had the Hydrophobic ultra-ultra rare Zoo Siberian Tiger...

I like how, in the first line of the article, they say it was a Siberian tiger that attacked the people. But in the last line, they say that the enclosure contained both Siberian and Sumatran tigers and it is unclear which one it was.

Other than that, meh, rare animal with homicidal streak, blah blah. I see some urban legend potential in this.

I have soap, am proficient in its use, and will use it on the first provocation.

:p

You're an awful person. :(

I like how all the news was like "there was even a moat" when talking about the tiger habitat. Hey, dipshits, tigers swim. These arn't some fucking baboons that are like "omg, wtf is this wet shit? I'm not going over there." No, they are tigers, they are like "hell yeah, I'm goin' for a swim and eatin' some people."

I would imagine if they had a clue of what they were doing, it's deep water and a sheer wall up to the viewing area to prevent it being able to get much grip or a running jump.

Then again, maybe not.

I have some sympathy for the person who died. I don't hold death in particularly high regard. But other than that, they were there by choice. The tiger was not.

That's pretty horrible. I don't think they got eaten by choice.

Sounds like it was a pretty close call, the tiger was apparantly about to finish off one of the wounded before police killed it. Police did what they had to do, but you obviously can't blame the tiger for it, that's just what tigers do. It's the fault of the zoo, that just shouldn't happen under any circumstances. Heads should roll. Hopefully if any other zoos have tiger enclosures like that then they will learn from this mistake.

That's pretty horrible. I don't think they got eaten by choice.

He chose to be in a place where he ended up getting eaten tho. The tiger did not chose to be there (although, obviously it did choose to do the eating).
people the other other white meat

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318365,00.html)

One witness said at least one of the victims had provoked the tiger, which had been out of its cage an estimated 15 to 20 minutes, police said.


I wonder what provoked means in this instance

That's pretty horrible. I don't think they got eaten by choice.

True, but somebody didn't stick them in a pen and annoy the hell out of them until the only means of escape was through a crowd of tigers. :p

They bought a ticket. :p

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318365,00.html)



I wonder what provoked means in this instance

Considering how stupid and lacking in any shread of common sense alot of people are, they probably tried to pet it

actually, considering their gender and age, they probably threw stuff at it

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318365,00.html)



I wonder what provoked means in this instance

I don't know, but when there's a tiger wandering around, pretty much any action that a witness can define as 'provoked' is probably a sign of a total dipshit. :p

True, but somebody didn't stick them in a pen and annoy the hell out of them until the only means of escape was through a crowd of tigers. :p

They bought a ticket. :p

zoo goer: Hello I'd like one pass to be eaten by a tiger.
ticket lady: fully or partially?
zoo goer: whatever you have available.
ticket lady: that'll be $35.00

I don't know, but when there's a tiger wandering around, pretty much any action that a witness can define as 'provoked' is probably a sign of a total dipshit. :p
Agree with that. If the tiger was already out then the last thing I'd do is taunt it. I think I'd do what that guy in Jurassic Park did and shut myself in a toilet!

zoo goer: Hello I'd like one pass to be eaten by a tiger.
ticket lady: fully or partially?
zoo goer: whatever you have available.
ticket lady: that'll be $35.00

Want to bet some people would buy em? :p

True, but somebody didn't stick them in a pen and annoy the hell out of them until the only means of escape was through a crowd of tigers. :p

They bought a ticket. :p

yeah, true. I guess it's me personally. I feel more for the person then I do for the tiger.

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13321947']Agree with that. If the tiger was already out then the last thing I'd do is taunt it. I think I'd do what that guy in Jurassic Park did and shut myself in a toilet!

I'd do something similar in spelling to that word

I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS;13321947']Agree with that. If the tiger was already out then the last thing I'd do is taunt it. I think I'd do what that guy in Jurassic Park did and shut myself in a toilet!

That guy went out in style :D

Want to bet some people would buy em? :p

no bet

I love the journalism... it goes on about a Siberian tiger the whole way through, says it got out of the Siberian pen, then at the end says we don't know if it was Siberian or Sumatran. Great work!

yeah, true. I guess it's me personally. I feel more for the person then I do for the tiger.

Now don't get me wrong; I'm not cheering for the tiger. Somebody died. Now if the tiger had just maimed people, I could have been a bit more pro-tiger. But my sympathy for the people is tempered by the fact that they didn't escape from a cage. *nod*

yeah, true. I guess it's me personally. I feel more for the person then I do for the tiger.
Now don't get me wrong; I'm not cheering for the tiger. Somebody died. Now if the tiger had just maimed people, I could have been a bit more pro-tiger. But my sympathy for the people is tempered by the fact that they didn't escape from a cage. *nod*

If they did indeed provoke it, then I have no sympathy for them; now for the family of the dude that got killed sure.

If they did indeed provoke it, then I have no sympathy for them; now for the family of the dude that got killed sure.

From the sound of it they were in a shop not out taunting the tiger in its habitat.

Oh come on. Shit happens. I'm not seeing you campaigning for the death of drivers.

I do campaign for the death of drivers. I also campaign for the death of all the other kinds of golf clubs.

DEATH TO ALL THE GOLF CLUBS!!!

Also, just think of the scars those survivors will have:

"See that? That's where I got mauled by a tiger!"

Chicks dig scars. :)

From the sound of it they were in a shop not out taunting the tiger in its habitat.

An interviewed witness stated that they provoked it, of that account is accurate I stand by my statement

An interviewed witness stated that they provoked it, of that account is accurate I stand by my statement

Who in their right mind would provoke a tiger??!!! Especially one that is loose?

Who in their right mind would provoke a tiger??!!! Especially one that is loose?

Idiots?

This tiger, will they be wanting to keep it now that it's dead? Cos I could go for some Siberian Tiger steaks.

I have two questions, then:

If this tiger already attacked his keeper -- why did they not destroy it already?

She was a breeder. Her genetics were valuable.

As to the case of the keeper; it was thought the security barrier was the problem. They were too short and they were extended.

What kind of secure practices did the zoo have if it was possible for a tiger to get loose, walk into a cafe, and maul three people? Were the keepers unaware that it had gotten loose before it wandered into a patron area?

They never expected her to clear the moat like she did. Never happened before.

The attacks happened right at closing time.

I like how all the news was like "there was even a moat" when talking about the tiger habitat. Hey, dipshits, tigers swim. These arn't some fucking baboons that are like "omg, wtf is this wet shit? I'm not going over there." No, they are tigers, they are like "hell yeah, I'm goin' for a swim and eatin' some people."

Sorry but you don't know the layout of the enclosure.

The moat is a misleading. It was an empty moat that was a good 20+ ft below the wall. Curved at that so you couldn't get a running jump going.

They are not sure how she cleared the wall.....

I love the journalism... it goes on about a Siberian tiger the whole way through, says it got out of the Siberian pen, then at the end says we don't know if it was Siberian or Sumatran. Great work!

Obviously the zoo is going silent due to the future lawsuits.

They have both breeds....

Cats are made out of springs, I doubt their design really wouldn't stopped a tiger that wanted out. And obviously it didn't.

Cats are made out of springs, I doubt their design really wouldn't stopped a tiger that wanted out. And obviously it didn't.

And again, you don't know enclosure.

They have had tigers for years.

The walls were designed not to get an easy grip.

He chose to be in a place where he ended up getting eaten tho. The tiger did not chose to be there (although, obviously it did choose to do the eating).
people the other other white meat

And the tiger chose to be in a place where it could be captured using that logic

More info:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7811130?nclick_check=1

Peta is now making comments......

I saw a couple blips that they are checking into seeing if people were messing with the tiger.....

I guess a rampaging human would also be shot, so I can't object that much. But there's obviously a reason why this happened and why the tiger did that. Revenge?

Poor people.

Poor both.

Would we shoot a clown for throwing pies?

Ok.."I" might..but otherwise, no.

Do we shoot the rooster for crowing?

Why do we shoot the tiger for being a tiger?

Prey does what it can to avoid becoming prey.

Buffalo cause more deaths among lions that any other animal. Humans have just found another way to be a buffalo.

I guess a rampaging human would also be shot, so I can't object that much. But there's obviously a reason why this happened and why the tiger did that. Revenge?

Probably confused.

It doesn't take much effort for a tiger to kill a human. They occasionally do it accidentally to people they like.

Cats are made out of springs, I doubt their design really wouldn't stopped a tiger that wanted out. And obviously it didn't.

That's tiggers, not tigers.

Probably confused.

It doesn't take much effort for a tiger to kill a human. They occasionally do it accidentally to people they like.

Correct. They tend to grab the neck and "crack"...

In Sumatra they started planting human dummies shaped to look like rubber tappers working on a tree. The neck has a belt that is electrified. Tiger grabs hold and yowww.

Man has encroached on their domains and tiger attacks were up. The shock idea is an attempt to bring fear to the tigers again.

Don't know how well its working.....

Liger > then tiger (at least in coolness)

http://www.fahad.com/pics/liger.jpg

That's tiggers, not tigers.

:D

Bastard! I wish I thought of that! Kudos!

I have some sympathy for the person who died. I don't hold death in particularly high regard. But other than that, they were there by choice. The tiger was not.

It seems the San Francisco Zoo has a history of mishandling it's big cats, particularly this tiger. About a year ago, a zookeeper was mauled by the tiger, not because of any errors on the zookeeper's part, but because the zoo had inadequate safety precaustions (incidentally, even the the zoo, and not the zookeeper, was found culpable, the zookeeper was not compensated).

This time the tiger got out, not from the gate in front, but by another route - again, apparently, a problem with the zoo's safety procedures.

It's worth noting that this tiger did not belong to the zoo, but was there on loan for purposes of breeding her to one of the males there. So they were careless, with human life, with the animal's life and, to top it off, the animal didn't even belong to them. One should also note, this tiger was not accustomed to humans, she was completely wild and was acting on instinct. Tigers are unpredictable and dangerous under the best of conditions, and this was hardly "the best of conditions."

I really hope the San Franciso Zoo loses it's accreditation (or whatever they call it) for it's criminally irresponsible behavior.

They should shoot the other tigers, just to prove who's bos... make sure the other tigers don't get any ideas. :P



Peta is now making comments......
F*** PETA!

I wish the members of PETA would get mauled by a tiger.

*sighs*
It seems the San Francisco Zoo has a history of mishandling it's big cats, particularly this tiger. About a year ago, a zookeeper was mauled by the tiger, not because of any errors on the zookeeper's part, but because the zoo had inadequate safety precaustions (incidentally, even the the zoo, and not the zookeeper, was found culpable, the zookeeper was not compensated).


Ok 2 incidents in 80 years. Keep in mind the lion house was built in the 30's. OSHA did declare the spacing between the safety bars was inadequate and fined the zoo 18000.

The zoo subsequently spent 1/2 million to fix the problem. The safety area was expanded, the cages changed and they added a chute system for feeding the cats. They also provided training for the keepers.

The injured keeper and the zoo are still in legal mode so that is not over.

This time the tiger got out, not from the gate in front, but by another route - again, apparently, a problem with the zoo's safety procedures.


Ahh not true. Word got and procedures went in motion, police called, people moved inside and doors locked, etc.

The police chief has decared they are looking into the possibility the three were taunting the tiger.

It's worth noting that this tiger did not belong to the zoo, but was there on loan for purposes of breeding her to one of the males there.


Yes they do that all the time.

So they were careless, with human life, with the animal's life and, to top it off, the animal didn't even belong to them.
Please. A dangerous animal is treated the same as the other dangerous animals they do own.

A fellow named Jack hand raised most of the cats they have and he was more worried about the Sumatrans then the Siberians.

One should also note, this tiger was not accustomed to humans, she was completely wild and was acting on instinct. Tigers are unpredictable and dangerous under the best of conditions, and this was hardly "the best of conditions."


Ah no that is not it. The tiger was born in captivity and was accustomed to humans. Denver Zoo said they had no issues with her. That in itself is a problem as they loose their fear of man.

Difference of the two enclosures is an issue. Denver has a moat 25 feet wide and 18 feet deep. San Francisco is about 15 wide and 18 feet deep. She might have been able to clear it.

This begs the question of taunting. The cats are feed 6 days a week. Most of the time they just lay around or play.

Hopefully, the investigation will find an answer.

It probably means procedure changes on a mauling. Tatiana probably figured out she could hunt people and thus probably needed to be retired. Problem is the genetic loss.

I really hope the San Franciso Zoo loses it's accreditation (or whatever they call it) for it's criminally irresponsible behavior.

:rolleyes:

That would teach them. Let's punish a zoo that responds to problems and for the first time in 75 years had an attack on a visitor.

I have two questions, then:

If this tiger already attacked his keeper -- why did they not destroy it already?
it was deemed that the attack was because of the faulty feeding facility at the zoo and thus not the tiger's fault.

California's Division of Occupational Safety and Health blamed the zoo for the assault and imposed an $18,000 penalty. A medical claim filed against the city by the keeper was denied.

What kind of secure practices did the zoo have if it was possible for a tiger to get loose, walk into a cafe, and maul three people? Were the keepers unaware that it had gotten loose before it wandered into a patron area? Probably, tigers are good at the hide and stalk. so unless you got a keeper constantly watching the enclosure every minute...

More info:

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7811130?nclick_check=1

Peta is now making comments......

I saw a couple blips that they are checking into seeing if people were messing with the tiger.....
needs a login. can you Cut and Paste the article?

and from the OP article...

One witness said at least one of the victims had provoked the tiger, which had been out of its cage an estimated 15 to 20 minutes
yes, let's taunt the Tiger that is OUT OF IT'S CAGE!!!

When officers arrived after responding to the 911 call, they "saw a tiger sitting next to a person who was sitting on the ground," Police Chief Heather Fong said.
Except for the blood on the person, that might've made a great photo...

They then "yelled at the animal to stop. They did not fire immediately. ... when the yelling was occurring the animal turned toward the officers" and that’s when the officers shot the tiger, she said.
Obviously the Tiger failed obediance school! but wait... did the officers Identify themselves to the tiger before opening fire? :p

Instead, he speculated that visitors might have been fooling around and might have taunted the animal and perhaps even helped it get out by, say, putting a board in the moat.
this is new to me... I didn't hear of any foreign object in the tiger enclosure...

Preliminary report suggests the guys may have taunted the tiger.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7820353

needs a login. can you Cut and Paste the article?

and from the OP article...


Really?

I didn't login as I don't frequent that site.

Anti-spyware stuff on your end?

Preliminary report suggests the guys may have taunted the tiger.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7820353

wait a minute... so the tiger mauls one person outside the enclosure and tracks the boy's friends down to the cafe to attack them there...

and no one else was injured?

EDIT: ok, they might not have been friends... but it's still weird that the tiger would travel that distance and not attack anyone inbetween...

Really?

I didn't login as I don't frequent that site.

Anti-spyware stuff on your end?

nope, but I did get in on the third try... weird..

And the tiger chose to be in a place where it could be captured using that logic

true, however since it started off in its natural habitat (I'm assuming here that zoos are not the three kids natural habitat) I stand by my statement.

wait a minute... so the tiger mauls one person outside the enclosure and tracks the boy's friends down to the cafe to attack them there...

and no one else was injured?

EDIT: ok, they might not have been friends... but it's still weird that the tiger would travel that distance and not attack anyone inbetween...

Tiger Attack: This time it's personal! :eek:

Tiger Attack: This time it's personal! :eek:

Synopsis: Tatiana, a lonely woman with a troubled past is tormented by some strangers from out of town, who drive her into an uncontrolled rage, she hunts down those who caused her pain to exact her revenge. However will she succeed before the law catches up to her?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/27/MNFFU5G80.DTL&tsp=1
In measuring the area, Mollinedo said, his staff found that contrary to information they had on file in their office, the moat wall was 12 1/2 feet high - about four feet lower than is recommended as a national standard by cat experts.

WTF.

I've seen dogs climb ~6 foot walls with ease. This is what tigers do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKcwpM3Xw

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/27/MNFFU5G80.DTL&tsp=1


WTF.

I've seen dogs climb ~6 foot walls with ease. This is what tigers do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKcwpM3Xw

The cougars or mountain lions that live in our backyard here in the NW can jump 18ft vertically. Something tells me that a Siberian Tiger can probably do the same or better.

The cougars or mountain lions that live in our backyard here in the NW can jump 18ft vertically. Something tells me that a Siberian Tiger can probably do the same or better.

Well, tigers are heavier and don't do much vertical jumping since their natural habitats are jungles and not mountains where they have to leap on top of boulders etc.

I would think that 12 ft should be just about there for a tiger to jump across.

Wanna know something scary?

I was in a zoo and I saw some tigers on the same day. :eek: But not the same zoo. I was in the metro zoo in Miami. :)

Well, tigers are heavier and don't do much vertical jumping since their natural habitats are jungles and not mountains where they have to leap on top of boulders etc.

I would think that 12 ft should be just about there for a tiger to jump across.

Wanna know something scary?

I was in a zoo and I saw some tigers on the same day. :eek: But not the same zoo. I was in the metro zoo in Miami. :)

Not sure if being heavier is a hinderance. Check this video out.

http://www.truveo.com/How-high-can-Tiger-Jump/id/3723451297

Erie coincidence on the zoo visit btw. I hear that they prefer mexican food though.......... bad joke, I know

Erie coincidence on the zoo visit btw. I hear that they prefer mexican food though.......... bad joke, I know

Well there were a lot of Cubans around and I don't think tigers know the difference...even badder joke, I think

Found this video of a Siberian Tiger attacking a man atop an elephant. See if you can see the tiger before he moves to attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0U704avIOM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/27/MNFFU5G80.DTL&tsp=1


WTF.

I've seen dogs climb ~6 foot walls with ease. This is what tigers do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKcwpM3Xw

Well that is the 4th measurment I have heard. I will give this one credit as the guy has been "up front" on the news.

One thing I thought was interesting was the change in musical tastes:

"Carlos Sousa Sr. said Thursday that his son and Paul Dhaliwal were good friends. They shared a love of music, especially hip hop, and wanted to write music professionally. He said he didn't know Wednesday that his son had visited the zoo with the brothers."

The dead kids sister said he wanted to be a rap star. Usually people think hood when they hear that be it prejudice or not.

Anyhow. I am still thinking taunting was at play as the cats are fed 6 times a week. Also, I have seen taunting myself. Usually white trash or Mexican trash(if that suits the word).

It's a damn shame all around.....

Assuming the kid was taunting the tiger, is it wrong of me to wish I could have seen his face as the tiger vaulted over the wall?

I wonder how the tiger got out, it makes me shudder to think I visited the zoo a few years ago.

The cougars or mountain lions that live in our backyard here in the NW can jump 18ft vertically. Something tells me that a Siberian Tiger can probably do the same or better.

No, of the big cats, the best jumper is the puma

No, of the big cats, the best jumper is the puma

Best jumper vertically or horizontally? Maybe both?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/27/MNFFU5G80.DTL&tsp=1


WTF.

I've seen dogs climb ~6 foot walls with ease. This is what tigers do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhGKcwpM3Xw

yeah I heard that this morning... yet another failing at the zoo concerning Tatiana...

I see lawsuites aimed at the zoo in the near future...

When this story first came out the media was claiming the wall was 20 feet, and the Tiger pros said then that it would take great motivation for the tiger to leap over that wall...

Then just last night, I heard the wall was actually only 12' high. I do feel sorry for the tiger that was shot but the zoo should have known better. Aren't zoos supposed to be so knowledgeable on the animals they keep.

I also feel sorry for the boy that was killed but really he should have had some sort of common sense not to be dangling his foot and leg over the 12' high wall...geez.

Best jumper vertically or horizontally? Maybe both?

Vertical definately, probably horizontal too

Ok.

I have to change sides partially.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/30/MNNQU63KP.DTL

Seems the asshole running the zoo is a fuckup of massive proportions.

I knew (well at the zoo) some of the people that left and the gal handling the chimps.

He had a bad rep at the LA Zoo and has carried his bad style to this zoo.

Hopefully, people don't gloss of the possibility the tiger was taunted and remember to nail the asshole and not the zoo too much. The animals end up paying for it.

;133212576 billion people...
Less than 5000 tigers.
Just sayin'.I have an idea to even it out.

*Starts coloning machine and clones five billion tigers*

Now that is settled run for your life as they have begun ze invansion.

*Makes a hilltop fort and puts automatic fushion lasers to kill incoming tigers and peoples for the fun of it.*

cant sleep clown will eat me
cant sleep clown will eat me
cant sleep clown will eat me
cant sleep clown will eat me

Get it right... Can't Sleep Tim Curry will eat me!

What a waste of a tiger, beautiful things. About 6 billion people in the world, but somehow three needed to be alive after doing a stupid damn thing by mocking an animal more than capable of ending their worthless, miserable lives.

Pathetic.

What a waste of a tiger, beautiful things. About 6 billion people in the world, but somehow three needed to be alive after doing a stupid damn thing by mocking an animal more than capable of ending their worthless, miserable lives.

Pathetic.

Only one mocked it, the other 2 were innocent.

The tiger mocker should be entered into the Darwin Awards Competition.

Only one mocked it, the other 2 were innocent.

Thusly justice was served since two of them survived ;)

Only one mocked it, the other 2 were innocent.

The tiger mocker should be entered into the Darwin Awards Competition.

they KNOW this? that of the three only ONE person was mocking it?

they KNOW this? that of the three only ONE person was mocking it?

It would take alevel of stupidity that I will not beleive even Californians would stoop too without evidence to taunt a tiger thats running loose.

It would take alevel of stupidity that I will not beleive even Californians would stoop too without evidence to taunt a tiger thats running loose.

Trust me, plenty of people are that stupid (and not just in California)

It would take alevel of stupidity that I will not beleive even Californians would stoop too without evidence to taunt a tiger thats running loose.

so you don't know if the three were taunting the tiger BEFORE it got out, which, I last read, is what the authorities are investigating...

as I said, it's rather unusual that the tiger attacks and kills one person at the cage and then stalks and targets the other two. Did you see the Map? the Cafe is QUITE a distance away. and the tiger goes there without harming anyone else inbetween...

Trust me, plenty of people are that stupid (and not just in California)

so you don't know if the three were taunting the tiger BEFORE it got out, which, I last read, is what the authorities are investigating...

as I said, it's rather unusual that the tiger attacks and kills one person at the cage and then stalks and targets the other two. Did you see the Map? the Cafe is QUITE a distance away. and the tiger goes there without harming anyone else inbetween...

I'm trying to hold on to what remains of my faith in humanity.

I'm trying to hold on to what remains of my faith in humanity.

Don't bother

Don't bother

Thr problem is I need faith in something and I lack it in anything else.

Thr problem is I need faith in something and I lack it in anything else.

Well have faith in me then, I'll never let you down
unless I just can't be bothered

Well have faith in me then, I'll never let you down
unless I just can't be bothered

I don't think I coul have tangible faith in something I encounter less than once a week :p

I'm trying to hold on to what remains of my faith in humanity.

think of this...

the tiger... for all the damage it could've done, only attacked 3 people.

the tragedy could've been much worse.

think of this...

the tiger... for all the damage it could've done, only attacked 3 people.

the tragedy could've been much worse.

What I'm trying to say is I doubt that the other two victims were teasing the tiger when they were mauled.. thats all I'm trying to say.

I would not even believe Californians? :rolleyes:

I was making a hidden statement about how silly California is. I was pretty much saying "Not even California is that messed up"

It would take alevel of stupidity that I will not beleive even Californians would stoop too without evidence to taunt a tiger thats running loose.

I would not even believe Californians? :rolleyes:

Only one mocked it, the other 2 were innocent.

The tiger mocker should be entered into the Darwin Awards Competition.

Read through the articles as they don't paint a pretty picture of the two. They said they didn't know the dead kid and yet others said they did. They are hostile to the police and they have previous accounts of drunk and disorderly.

There is a fellow in one article that has worked against the zoo and even he says tigers that happen to escape freak out. Ones that escape after being pissed off go after the ones that were poking them.

Read through the articles as they don't paint a pretty picture of the two. They said they didn't know the dead kid and yet others said they did. They are hostile to the police and they have previous accounts of drunk and disorderly.

There is a fellow in one article that has worked against the zoo and even he says tigers that happen to escape freak out. Ones that escape after being pissed off go after the ones that were poking them.

For example:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7525574102901564733

What I'm trying to say is I doubt that the other two victims were teasing the tiger when they were mauled.. thats all I'm trying to say.

and what I'm trying to say is if they were not doing anything, why did the tiger track them down specifically and not just attack anyone who would be moving?

and what I'm trying to say is if they were not doing anything, why did the tiger track them down specifically and not just attack anyone who would be moving?

It didn't like thier cologne?

It didn't like thier cologne?

... possible.

or maybe...

it acutally did LIKE their cologne...

Maulings arn't alway done in anger... :p

... possible.

or maybe...

it acutally did LIKE their cologne...

Maulings arn't alway done in anger... :p

Yeah but those are usually good maulings...

For example:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7525574102901564733

:D

Man I have never seen a cat move that fast.

The look on the cats face says it all. "I'm going to fuck you up!"

So now we have a confession of taunting! Drunk and high as well.....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/18/tiger.attack.ap/index.html

So now we have a confession of taunting! Drunk and high as well.....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/18/tiger.attack.ap/index.htmlpoor tiger :(
but those boys got what they deserved.

poor tiger :(
but those boys got what they deserved.

There is an important life lesson to be learned here:

When you're drunk and/or high, don't go to the zoo. Go to Disneyland. :)

no they didnt get what they deserved.

geez what do you think, that TAUNTING hurt the tigers feelings?

the tiger did what tigers do. its instinct to hunt not anger. she was probably enjoying herself far more than she had... well since she tried to rip off the arm off the zoo keeper.

the fault lies with the zoo that had a cage she could jump out of.

There is an important life lesson to be learned here:

When you're drunk and/or high, don't go to the zoo. Go to Disneyland. :)

The animals there are much less dangerous. Well, except the little kids.

Is anyone else reminded of that Rocky tune "eye of the tiger"? i just thought of that for the thread, i think all threads should have a theme tune, to determine what kind of response the OP want's, which would reduce necessity for the mods to go to say the classical stuff for more intellectual debates, and visit more of the crazy music where spamming etc are inevitable.
I think this could change the future. If only i had a better computer.

Is anyone else reminded of that Rocky tune "eye of the tiger"? i just thought of that for the thread, i think all threads should have a theme tune, to determine what kind of response the OP want's, which would reduce necessity for the mods to go to say the classical stuff for more intellectual debates, and visit more of the crazy music where spamming etc are inevitable.
I think this could change the future. If only i had a better computer.

Cue anti-Bush threads with the Imperial March as their theme tune.

no they didnt get what they deserved.Well, they didn't show respect for the greatest predator on land when they should have. And indeed they made her do what tigers do.

Well, they didn't show respect for the greatest predator on land when they should have. And indeed they made her do what tigers do.

and if the tiger hadnt been able to leap out of the enclousure do you think the boy's behavior was particulary egregious?

Is anyone else reminded of that Rocky tune "eye of the tiger"?

Nope. But it does remind me of Bokito:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokito_%28gorilla%29

And that woman did deserve what she got.

i just thought of that for the thread, i think all threads should have a theme tune, to determine what kind of response the OP want's, which would reduce necessity for the mods to go to say the classical stuff for more intellectual debates, and visit more of the crazy music where spamming etc are inevitable.
I think this could change the future. If only i had a better computer.

Hmm. An extra theme field can be implemented ;)

Cue anti-Bush threads with the Imperial March as their theme tune.

Like this one?http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r_WERPN8KO8.

and if the tiger hadnt been able to leap out of the enclousure do you think the boy's behavior was particulary egregious?yes. or does an animal deserve to be mocked?

yes. or does an animal deserve to be mocked?

the mocking of the tiger only bothers US. it doesnt bother the tiger. she didnt leap because the boys were pissing her off. she leaped because they were prey and she thought she could get to them.

the mocking of the tiger only bothers US. it doesnt bother the tiger. she didnt leap because the boys were pissing her off. she leaped because they were prey and she thought she could get to them.I am not so sure. A tiger certainly knows when she's being fucked with.

I am not so sure. A tiger certainly knows when she's being fucked with.

you have to be close to the tiger for that. i dont know what the tiger exhibit at that zoo is like but if you can get close enough to the tiger to piss her off, the problem is the design. just as the problem is the design when the tiger can leap out.

it is also the zoo's responsibility to police the park and keep patrons from doing what these boys did, from tossing stuff into the enclosures, from making general pests of themselves. even if the wall had been high enough you dont want the tigers to be leaping at people. they (the tigers) can get hurt that way.

The boys may be insensitive, stupid, crass, worst scum of the earth etc etc....but NONE of this takes away the FACT that the zoo did not have proper safety features.

no they didnt get what they deserved.

geez what do you think, that TAUNTING hurt the tigers feelings?

the tiger did what tigers do. its instinct to hunt not anger. she was probably enjoying herself far more than she had... well since she tried to rip off the arm off the zoo keeper.

the fault lies with the zoo that had a cage she could jump out of.

Actually no; the taunting is a factor.

These tigers are well fed so it's not a case of "I'm hungry come here little piggy"

If you read through this thread, you will see the comments of a lady who is not a friend of the zoo. She worked with animal issues involving the circus. She said there are two scenarios. A tiger that happens to get out will go "whoa" and hide under it's cage. One that goes into the crowd invariably is after the person that was poking it.

I know the cage and it's not entirely simple to get out. She messed up her back feet doing it so she was rather annoyed. Especially, if they were tossing crap at her. Which I think they did as they have shown themselves to be liars.

The zoo has partial blame for the exhibit sure. However, if they weren't antagonizing it; she wouldn't have jumped out. Especially, when considering that exhibit is over 60 years old.


the mocking of the tiger only bothers US. it doesnt bother the tiger. she didnt leap because the boys were pissing her off. she leaped because they were prey and she thought she could get to them.

Again she didn't simply jump the wall. She climbed it as the evidence of her messed up back paws.


you have to be close to the tiger for that. i dont know what the tiger exhibit at that zoo is like but if you can get close enough to the tiger to piss her off, the problem is the design. just as the problem is the design when the tiger can leap out.


Take a look at some of the links in the thread. Especially at sfgate.com as it has pictures.

I think they tossed crap at her. Especially when considering the amount of lies the two have told. They weren't doing anything. They didn't know the dead kid.....

it is also the zoo's responsibility to police the park and keep patrons from doing what these boys did, from tossing stuff into the enclosures, from making general pests of themselves. even if the wall had been high enough you dont want the tigers to be leaping at people. they (the tigers) can get hurt that way.

It was closing time so the amount of people was less (as in somebody reporting them). Also, there were reports of kids harassing other animals so they could of in fact been looking for them. It's not a small piece of property.

The zoo does have some blame but remember the enclosure passed inspection.

The boys may be insensitive, stupid, crass, worst scum of the earth etc etc....but NONE of this takes away the FACT that the zoo did not have proper safety features.

And what exactly should those be?

If you looked into it you would have seen they did have them and they were executing them(ie lock down of the buildings and getting people in them and or out of the zoo).

you have to be close to the tiger for that. i dont know what the tiger exhibit at that zoo is like but if you can get close enough to the tiger to piss her off, ...A tiger is not a dumb guinea-pig. A tiger is at the very peak of the food chain for a reason. If you annoy a tiger, the tiger will pick you out of any crowd even at a distance and she will go for you, and not because you are prey but because you annoyed her.

I am not so sure. A tiger certainly knows when she's being fucked with.

Seconded. My cat certainly knows when I'm trying to piss her off. Especially since those boys were apparently throwing things at her.

If I heard correctly the people were drinking and throwing stuff at the tiger, which caused him to attack.

Actually no; the taunting is a factor.

These tigers are well fed so it's not a case of "I'm hungry come here little piggy"

If you read through this thread, you will see the comments of a lady who is not a friend of the zoo. She worked with animal issues involving the circus. She said there are two scenarios. A tiger that happens to get out will go "whoa" and hide under it's cage. One that goes into the crowd invariably is after the person that was poking it.

I know the cage and it's not entirely simple to get out. She messed up her back feet doing it so she was rather annoyed. Especially, if they were tossing crap at her. Which I think they did as they have shown themselves to be liars.

The zoo has partial blame for the exhibit sure. However, if they weren't antagonizing it; she wouldn't have jumped out. Especially, when considering that exhibit is over 60 years old.




Again she didn't simply jump the wall. She climbed it as the evidence of her messed up back paws.




Take a look at some of the links in the thread. Especially at sfgate.com as it has pictures.

I think they tossed crap at her. Especially when considering the amount of lies the two have told. They weren't doing anything. They didn't know the dead kid.....



It was closing time so the amount of people was less (as in somebody reporting them). Also, there were reports of kids harassing other animals so they could of in fact been looking for them. It's not a small piece of property.

The zoo does have some blame but remember the enclosure passed inspection.

when you can show me that they were close enough to POKE the tiger ill believe its their fault.

yelling, standing on the fence and even throwing stuff into the enclosure doesnt piss a tiger off, it draws attention to you as PREY. the cat isnt getting her feelings hurt because the boys are being mean. the cat doesnt have to be hungry to decide that its time to kill that thing on the other side of the wall.

and in the end it doesnt matter if the cat notice that they were "taunting" her or if she just decided that it was her day to kill something, its the zoos fault for having an enclosure that she can get out of.

killing things is what tigers DO.

The animals there are much less dangerous. Well, except the little kids.

The little kids are a whole different kind of dangerous. Their teeth aren't as sharp though. *nod*

The little kids are a whole different kind of dangerous. Their teeth aren't as sharp though. *nod*

Agreed! Little bastards just claw you with their uncut fingernails, wail at the top of their lungs and kick...oh do they kick!

Like this morning, I was with a few friends and one of them has several kids. The kids have known me for years, and so we were goofing around, mostly me chasing them. I caught one of 'em, picked her up, and the next thing I knew, my knees were in sharp pain. Turned out she was wearing shoes with really hard soles on them, and she was flailing about trying to get free. But that wasn't the worst...a lone foot connected where it shouldn't. THAT made me drop her as I walked off slowly, wincing all the while.

"Bloody hell! Damn you shoes! Damn you!"

She was laughing her ass off.

Bastard.

Agreed! Little bastards just claw you with their uncut fingernails, wail at the top of their lungs and kick...oh do they kick!

Like this morning, I was with a few friends and one of them has several kids. The kids have known me for years, and so we were goofing around, mostly me chasing them. I caught one of 'em, picked her up, and the next thing I knew, my knees were in sharp pain. Turned out she was wearing shoes with really hard soles on them, and she was flailing about trying to get free. But that wasn't the worst...a lone foot connected where it shouldn't. THAT made me drop her as I walked off slowly, wincing all the while.

"Bloody hell! Damn you shoes! Damn you!"

She was laughing her ass off.

Bastard.

Kids have a knack for striking crotches. Believe me I know. :(

Kids have a knack for striking crotches. Believe me I know. :(

Yeah, and we were outside a church too... I wanted to turn around, point at the child and go,

"Demon! Evil! Scourge of the earth!"

Doesn't help that the child was offspring of the pastor either...

the cat isnt getting her feelings hurt because the boys are being mean. so I conclude you don't have cats at home.

so I conclude you don't have cats at home.

i certainly do.

when you can show me that they were close enough to POKE the tiger ill believe its their fault.


You never owned a cat have you? Pissing one off is not limited to poking it.

yelling, standing on the fence and even throwing stuff into the enclosure doesnt piss a tiger off, it draws attention to you as PREY.

Actually no it doesn't. It makes you a threat. Even tigers in the wild try and avoid man when they can.

the cat isnt getting her feelings hurt because the boys are being mean. the cat doesnt have to be hungry to decide that its time to kill that thing on the other side of the wall.


You have never owned a cat have you? Even house cats get pissed especially when you tease them.

and in the end it doesnt matter if the cat notice that they were "taunting" her or if she just decided that it was her day to kill something, its the zoos fault for having an enclosure that she can get out of.

Hmmm over 60 years and no tiger thought of escaping till now. You know what? If they hadn't of pissed the cat off, they would have been fine.

Zoo has 20% of the blame simply because of the old specs and the fact they cleared inspection. The punks have 80% of the blame.

killing things is what tigers DO.

Now you understand. Tigers kill to eat. Tigers kill to remove threats. The punks posed a threat to the tiger.

You never owned a cat have you? Pissing one off is not limited to poking it.



Actually no it doesn't. It makes you a threat. Even tigers in the wild try and avoid man when they can.



You have never owned a cat have you? Even house cats get pissed especially when you tease them.


Hmmm over 60 years and no tiger thought of escaping till now. You know what? If they hadn't of pissed the cat off, they would have been fine.

Zoo has 20% of the blame simply because of the old specs and the fact they cleared inspection. The punks have 80% of the blame.



Now you understand. Tigers kill to eat. Tigers kill to remove threats. The punks posed a threat to the tiger.

in a well designed zoo it is impossible for an animal to escape. the only time anyone dies is when some poor deluded soul climbs into the enclosure (as happens from time to time)

this was not the first time a tiger was "taunted" at that zoo. its not going to be the last. if the zoo was designed correctly all that would have happened that day is the jerks who were climbing on the fence would have been kicked out.

in a well designed zoo it is impossible for an animal to escape. the only time anyone dies is when some poor deluded soul climbs into the enclosure (as happens from time to time)

ethis was not the first time a tiger was "taunted" at that zoo. its not going to be the last. if the zoo was designed correctly all that would have happened that day is the jerks who were climbing on the fence would have been kicked out.

That we are in agreement. Don't get me wrong. The zoo is not completely innocent in this matter. Unfortunately; the fellow running the zoo is a city employee and he has a tainted past. He ran LA zoo for awhile and he was messing it up before he they got rid of him.

He is messing this zoo up as well.

When the enclosures were built; they thought they were right. As we learned more about the animal; now they are not right. They should have been changed and there is a program to change them as part of a renovation plan that was going to update everything. However, the asshole running the place tossed much of that out and or changed it.

I know people who have worked there for 25 years who have left in disgust over the new management.

Some have wondered if he is there to screw the place up so they can take the land as there are "developers" who have suggested it could be put to better use.

There needs to be punishment. But it needs to be proportional. I would love to see the jerk fired and the plan restored.

I don't want to see all the blame on the zoo and fortunately it appears it won't. The past of these two and their lies seems to have lost their chance for a deep pockets suit.

It pisses me off a person is dead as a decent zoo has a black mark and you get the animal rights fanatics screaming animals only belong in the wild! A valuable animal with no record of violence was lost. Denver Zoo is where she came from and they said they had no issues with her.

The matter over the keeper is not over and there is a gag order on the case so information is lacking in detail.

That we are in agreement. Don't get me wrong. The zoo is not completely innocent in this matter. Unfortunately; the fellow running the zoo is a city employee and he has a tainted past. He ran LA zoo for awhile and he was messing it up before he they got rid of him.

He is messing this zoo up as well.

When the enclosures were built; they thought they were right. As we learned more about the animal; now they are not right. They should have been changed and there is a program to change them as part of a renovation plan that was going to update everything. However, the asshole running the place tossed much of that out and or changed it.

I know people who have worked there for 25 years who have left in disgust over the new management.

Some have wondered if he is there to screw the place up so they can take the land as there are "developers" who have suggested it could be put to better use.

There needs to be punishment. But it needs to be proportional. I would love to see the jerk fired and the plan restored.

I don't want to see all the blame on the zoo and fortunately it appears it won't. The past of these two and their lies seems to have lost their chance for a deep pockets suit.

It pisses me off a person is dead as a decent zoo has a black mark and you get the animal rights fanatics screaming animals only belong in the wild! A valuable animal with no record of violence was lost. Denver Zoo is where she came from and they said they had no issues with her.

The matter over the keeper is not over and there is a gag order on the case so information is lacking in detail.


i would hope that instead of closing the zoo and selling the property *shudder* that the city would use this as a reason to make whatever improvements are necessary to the facilities. zoos provide a valuable service to a city and its citizens.

bad things are bound to happen sometimes. its not a good reason to shut down a zoo. its a reason to make it better.

geez what do you think, that TAUNTING hurt the tigers feelings?no, but they were annoying it. and animals can get annoyied.

the tiger did what tigers do. its instinct to hunt not anger. she was probably enjoying herself far more than she had... well since she tried to rip off the arm off the zoo keeper.WONG again. Tigers also fight to protect territory, young, and especially to be left alone

the fault lies with the zoo that had a cage she could jump out of.agreed, but the fault also lies on those taunting the tiger.

and if the tiger hadnt been able to leap out of the enclousure do you think the boy's behavior was particulary egregious?yes.

the mocking of the tiger only bothers US. it doesnt bother the tiger. she didnt leap because the boys were pissing her off. she leaped because they were prey and she thought she could get to them.oh HELL NO. if the boys were pray, they wont be mauled. they would've been eaten. the fact that the Tiger only attacked those three and not everyone nearby shows that the tiger was bothered by those three boys.

when you can show me that they were close enough to POKE the tiger ill believe its their fault. taunting is not just poking.

yelling, standing on the fence and even throwing stuff into the enclosure doesnt piss a tiger off, it draws attention to you as PREY. the cat isnt getting her feelings hurt because the boys are being mean. the cat doesnt have to be hungry to decide that its time to kill that thing on the other side of the wall. gee, so why only those three? of all those people only those three were attacked. so what were those three doing that made the tiger not only kill one there, but travel quite a ways away without touching anyone else to specifically attack the other two?

and in the end it doesnt matter if the cat notice that they were "taunting" her or if she just decided that it was her day to kill something, its the zoos fault for having an enclosure that she can get out of.
gee, using that line of reasoning. it's still the teens fault because none of the tigers didn't escape that enclosure untill those three taunted the tiger.

so if the tiger never saw the hairless apes on the other side of the wall as prey untill those three idiots did what they did, it's still the teens fault.


killing things is what tigers DO.and I guess taunting things is what teens do.

no, but they were annoying it. and animals can get annoyied.

WONG again. Tigers also fight to protect territory, young, and especially to be left alone

agreed, but the fault also lies on those taunting the tiger.

yes.

oh HELL NO. if the boys were pray, they wont be mauled. they would've been eaten. the fact that the Tiger only attacked those three and not everyone nearby shows that the tiger was bothered by those three boys.

taunting is not just poking.

gee, so why only those three? of all those people only those three were attacked. so what were those three doing that made the tiger not only kill one there, but travel quite a ways away without touching anyone else to specifically attack the other two?

gee, using that line of reasoning. it's still the teens fault because none of the tigers didn't escape that enclosure untill those three taunted the tiger.

so if the tiger never saw the hairless apes on the other side of the wall as prey untill those three idiots did what they did, it's still the teens fault.


and I guess taunting things is what teens do.

they were too far away from the tiger for the tiger to feel taunted. she was reacting to them the same way a cat reacts to you dangling a feather on a string. its the hunting instinct.

and it really doesnt matter, the tiger should never have been able to get out of the enclosure.

and yes taunting IS what people do. all zoos should expect such behavior on occasion and be ready to deal with it.

Tigers kill to eat. Tigers kill to remove threats. The punks posed a threat to the tiger.Tigers kill to remove annoyances. The punks posed an annoyance to the tiger. Which is so terribly disrespectful and dumb it deserved immediate punishment. Tigers rule, and they know it. In nature no-one annoys a tiger and lives.

they were too far away from the tiger for the tiger to feel taunted. she was reacting to them the same way a cat reacts to you dangling a feather on a string. its the hunting instinct. if they were too far away to taunt the tiger (btw, what is the distance one has to be to taunt a tiger?) why would the tiger (who is a hunt and pounce and not a give chase hunter) attack?

If you dangle a string infront of the cat, you are taunting the cat.

and it really doesnt matter, the tiger should never have been able to get out of the enclosure. so cruety to animals is ok if the animal cannot get out.

and yes taunting IS what people do. all zoos should expect such behavior on occasion and be ready to deal with it. So you agree then, that the fault is with the teens. thanks for agreeing.

if they were too far away to taunt the tiger (btw, what is the distance one has to be to taunt a tiger?) why would the tiger (who is a hunt and pounce and not a give chase hunter) attack?

If you dangle a string infront of the cat, you are taunting the cat.

so cruety to animals is ok if the animal cannot get out.

So you agree then, that the fault is with the teens. thanks for agreeing.

no, the fault is NOT with the teens. the fault is with the zoo that had an enclosure that a tiger could escape from.

the teens were being jerks, that does not mean they are at fault for getting killed and maimed.

the question is NOT "were the teens being assholes?"

of course they were being assholes.

the question is "did they deserve what they got because they were being recklessly cruel to the tiger?"

no they didnt because the tiger never should have been able to escape.

the teens deserved to be kicked out of the zoo and perhaps barred from ever returning.

no, the fault is NOT with the teens. the fault is with the zoo that had an enclosure that a tiger could escape from. oh please, even if the wall was three feet higher and meeting the regulations the cat might still have got out. the fault is that humans in their arrogance think they can control animals.

the teens were being jerks, that does not mean they are at fault for getting killed and maimed.what? why not? there is no law of nature that says jerks may not be killed and maimed for being jerks.

the question is NOT "were the teens being assholes?"
of course they were being assholes.
the question is "did they deserve what they got because they were being recklessly cruel to the tiger?"
no they didnt because the tiger never should have been able to escape.
the teens deserved to be kicked out of the zoo and perhaps barred from ever returning.that's seen only from a narrow human perspective, but not from the tiger's or an objective perspective.

the question is NOT "were the teens being assholes?"

of course they were being assholes.

the question is "did they deserve what they got because they were being recklessly cruel to the tiger?"

no they didnt because the tiger never should have been able to escape.

the teens deserved to be kicked out of the zoo and perhaps barred from ever returning.
It is the fault is the teens.

However the Zoo is not without responsiblity.

Did they deserve the killing and mauling? not for me to decide, nor do I want to.

Would the tiger escape if they were NOT taunting the tiger? no since the enclosure was not lowered it was always that height and no other tiger escaped until that moment.

oh please, even if the wall was three feet higher and meeting the regulations the cat might still have got out. the fault is that humans in their arrogance think they can control animals.

what? why not? there is no law of nature that says jerks may not be killed and maimed for being jerks.

that's seen only from a narrow human perspective, but not from the tiger's or an objective perspective.

do you think ive said that the CAT was wrong? she was doing what cats do. what cats can be expected to do.

if the zoo cant keep people safe from tigers, there shouldnt be tigers in the zoo.

no, the fault is NOT with the teens. the fault is with the zoo that had an enclosure that a tiger could escape from.

the teens were being jerks, that does not mean they are at fault for getting killed and maimed.

Again over 60 years and no tiger had the desire to get out.

The hoods are not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.

the question is NOT "were the teens being assholes?"

of course they were being assholes.

the question is "did they deserve what they got because they were being recklessly cruel to the tiger?"

no they didnt because the tiger never should have been able to escape.

the teens deserved to be kicked out of the zoo and perhaps barred from ever returning.

"Clearly there's the lesson to be learned here," said zoo spokesman Sam Singer. "The lesson is that it's not a good idea to drink, it's not a good idea to be high on dope, and it's not a good idea to taunt a man-eating tiger."

Again over 60 years and no tiger had the desire to get out.

The hoods are not innocent by any stretch of the imagination.

they were not the first fools to "taunt" the tiger. their innocence or guilt is irrelevant. the tiger should not be able to escape.

its bad enough that a determined person can get INTO the enclosure with a dangerous animal without it being possible for a dangerous animal to escape.

"Clearly there's the lesson to be learned here," said zoo spokesman Sam Singer. "The lesson is that it's not a good idea to drink, it's not a good idea to be high on dope, and it's not a good idea to taunt a man-eating tiger."

fuck sam singer.

what about all the OTHER people who were endangered by having a tiger escape from the enclosure?

its nutz to blame anything but poor zoo design. wild animals are wild animals. they will escape if they can.

do you think ive said that the CAT was wrong? she was doing what cats do. what cats can be expected to do.

if the zoo cant keep people safe from tigers, there shouldnt be tigers in the zoo.honey, there shouldn't be zoos in the first place. animals are best kept in their natural habitat and left alone there.

fuck sam singer.
what about all the OTHER people who were endangered by having a tiger escape from the enclosure?
its nutz to blame anything but poor zoo design. wild animals are wild animals. they will escape if they can.If you mess around with a gun and get shot, who is to blame? You or the gun?

honey, there shouldn't be zoos in the first place. animals are best kept in their natural habitat and left alone there.

it would be best but in an era of shrinking habitat there is good reason to bring these animals to the public's attention.

it would be best but in an era of shrinking habitat there is good reason to bring these animals to the public's attention.tigers are not in zoos to stir the public's attention but to provide "exotic" entertainment to dull folks.

they were not the first fools to "taunt" the tiger. their innocence or guilt is irrelevant. the tiger should not be able to escape.


No it's quite relevant.

"Sources have told The Chronicle, however, that the brothers made a pact while in the ambulance after they were mauled by the tiger. "Don't tell them what we did," Kulbir, 23, reportedly told his brother, Paul, 19."

In over 60 years no tiger sought to escape. This is not the first incident where a cat was harassed. These hoods did more then just wave and yell at the nice kitty and in time we will find this out.

its bad enough that a determined person can get INTO the enclosure with a dangerous animal without it being possible for a dangerous animal to escape.

The only way to be 100% safe is to not have the zoo in the first place.

fuck sam singer.

what about all the OTHER people who were endangered by having a tiger escape from the enclosure?

its nutz to blame anything but poor zoo design. wild animals are wild animals. they will escape if they can.

Yet in over 60 years none have sought to escape. Even in a pen that they obviously could climb out if so provoked.

Yet in over 60 years none have sought to escape. Even in a pen that they obviously could climb out if so provoked.

so? it was a tragedy waiting to happen.

now it has.

if my safety is dependant on people never acting like idiots around the animals, the zoo should be closed. people are people and now and then that means being stupid.

so? it was a tragedy waiting to happen. that's the whole concept of zoos. one way or another.

so? it was a tragedy waiting to happen.

now it has.

if my safety is dependant on people never acting like idiots around the animals, the zoo should be closed. people are people and now and then that means being stupid.

Then you might as well close all theme parks, sports stadiums, national parks, malls, and outlaw cars, guns, alcohol, .....

Stupidity is a common factor of mankind.

We can close things down or we can hold people responsible for their actions.

The zoo should be dinged for the enclosure and management fired.

The hoods should get NOTHING for their actions.

And what exactly should those be?

If you looked into it you would have seen they did have them and they were executing them(ie lock down of the buildings and getting people in them and or out of the zoo).

I maybe wrong, but I remember that even the zoo admitted that the height of the walls are lesser than what it should have been.

Don't get me wrong. I love tigers. The whole thing is just a sad loss of lives...both the human and that of the tiger. And it was preventable. Both. That is my point.

Yet in over 60 years none have sought to escape. Even in a pen that they obviously could climb out if so provoked.

Well there was a moat...so the effective height of the wall should have been more than what a tiger can climb. Tigers are not good climbers unlike leopards but they are good leapers though. This one must have leaped just enough to claw its way up...I know I am speculating...but if there was like two more feet high, the tiger would not have been able to climb over...

It is believed that the sticks which the boys threw in gave the tiger a little bit of a boost, just enough.