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My last thread on George Bush was how much do you hate him. This one is WHY do you hate him? I've heard people call him a dictator, an A$$ and a few other words I won't mention here. Some people are taking this too far in my opinon. Thoughts?

So 2005.

Hate requires care.

"I don't hate him. He's just a bad president."

And in addition I also disagree with him on many issues.
But hate ? Nah.

'hate' is such a strong word. I can't think of anyone or anything I hate off the top of my head. Or course, I think he owes everyone in America one free kick in his groin, but hate? Nah. :)

'hate' is such a strong word. I can't think of anyone or anything I hate off the top of my head. Or course, I think he owes everyone in America one free kick in his groin, but hate? Nah. :)

Don't you mean everyone in America owes HIM a kick to the groin?

I think it began with the ugly swiftboating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating) of his political oponents, first victim was John McCain, I think.

Not that I would vote for McCain but still... it stinks.

i hate him as a bad president but its not personal. i dont hate him as a man. just as a lying sack of shit who decided to get us into a war that wasnt in our best interest.

in the beginning he just creeped me out because he looks like a caricature of his father. but im used to that now. now he only creeps me out when i hear him talk. or more accurately watch him talk. he always comes across to me as completely insincere and somewhat mocking.

and there are other reasons why i dislike him. policy reasons. civil rights reasons.

yeah i hate him but not because he is a dictator. i am looking forward to him leaving office in about 13 months. i hope he doesnt screw too much up between now and then.

If you call George Bush a dictator, allow yourself to live in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Sudan, DRC or China for a week. Then come back and tell me Bush is still a dictator.

Don't you mean everyone in America owes HIM a kick to the groin?
But you elected him.

But you elected him.

Indeed. However I am not responsible for the stupidity of the majority.

My last thread on George Bush was how much do you hate him. This one is WHY do you hate him? I've heard people call him a dictator, an A$$ and a few other words I won't mention here. Some people are taking this too far in my opinon. Thoughts?

I don't hate him, he's just an idiot that's been trusted with way too much responsibility. It's the people who actually gave him that much power and resposibility that I resent..

Don't you mean everyone in America owes HIM a kick to the groin?

Yeah, that's what I meant. :)

I don't hate him. He's just a lameduck President, and a really bad one, too.

$10 says he would be a great President if he would shut the fuck up and think about what he says before he says it. Or he can just stop at 'Shut the fuck up'. Either one, its a nonissue.

I'm with Ashmoria on this. The opposite of hate is indifference.

I hate the Bush presidency and the Bush/Cheney administration. I hate their policies and their political philosophy. I hate their political corruption. I hate their actions because of the results of those actions. I consider them to be the antithesis of everything I believe is right and moral and ethical. I consider their policies and goals to be a direct threat to my way of life, and in certain extreme situations, to my actual physical life. I despise the Bush presidency and everything it stands for.

As for the individual human being called George W. Bush, I am totally indifferent to him. I do not care if he is happy or sad, or whether he lives or dies. True, I don't like him. If I knew him socially, I would do my best to stop knowing him -- but I suppose that's not really his fault. He can't help being an irritating person, I guess.

Having said that, I should admit that I hate Bush's policies and beliefs so strongly that I probably would take a certain guilty pleasure if he were to break out into painful and incurable boils all of a sudden, but I don't waste time wanting that. I only want him to leave the Whitehouse and take all his stupid, crooked friends with him.

I'm with Ashmoria on this. The opposite of hate is indifference.

I hate the Bush presidency and the Bush/Cheney administration. I hate their policies and their political philosophy. I hate their political corruption. I hate their actions because of the results of those actions. I consider them to be the antithesis of everything I believe is right and moral and ethical. I consider their policies and goals to be a direct threat to my way of life, and in certain extreme situations, to my actual physical life. I despise the Bush presidency and everything it stands for.

As for the individual human being called George W. Bush, I am totally indifferent to him. I do not care if he is happy or sad, or whether he lives or dies. True, I don't like him. If I knew him socially, I would do my best to stop knowing him -- but I suppose that's not really his fault. He can't help being an irritating person, I guess.

Having said that, I should admit that I hate Bush's policies and beliefs so strongly that I probably would take a certain guilty pleasure if he were to break out into painful and incurable boils all of a sudden, but I don't waste time wanting that. I only want him to leave the Whitehouse and take all his stupid, crooked friends with him.

I hope Bush gets a case of 'Super-Crabs' that cannot be cured.

I hope Bush gets a case of 'Super-Crabs' that cannot be cured.

Coconut Crabs? :eek:

http://alysu.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/coconut_crab.jpg

I don't hate him he's just a bad president. I mean he vetoed the children's health care bill but not the Patriot Act. :confused: WTF?!

I hope Bush gets a case of 'Super-Crabs' that cannot be cured.

I thought he already did, and its name was Dick Cheney.

I don't hate him he's just a bad president. I mean he vetoed the children's health care bill but not the Patriot Act. :confused: WTF?!
Well, uh, duh.

The Patriot (*gag*) Act was HIS bill. The child healthcare thing wasn't.

The Patriot (*gag*) Act puts more power into his hands. The child healthcare thing is about helping other people. Why the hell would he do that?

I don't hate him, he's just an idiot that's been trusted with way too much responsibility. It's the people who actually gave him that much power and resposibility that I resent..

On the upside - thanks to him the total power of the USA is now considerably less than a few years ago.
Imagine - Bush being in power at the height of US power *shudder*.

If you call George Bush a dictator, allow yourself to live in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Sudan, DRC or China for a week. Then come back and tell me Bush is still a dictator.

To say that he is a dictator is not the same as to say that he presides over a dictatorship. He is a dictator by temperament and philosophy, but not by circumstance.

I hate him because he's the devil.Just thinking of him makes me smell sulfur[/sarcasm]


Truly, I don't hate him.I nothing him, and I'm damn glad that I'm not american.
Still, America could use some really better administration, so see if you guys vote right this time!

ED:I mean, vote correctly, whatever that means to you. No ambiguity here.

I hate his administration. He acts as if he's above the law and can conveniently ignore any part of it he doesn't like. However, he's not a dictator - more of a wannabe dictator.

If Bush got the chance, I guarantee he would be Dictator of the U.S. and be every bit as oppressive as some of these other tinpot whack jobs. And we're looking, in that case, at either a civil war or a fascist uprising in the U.S. Either way, we're fucked.

On January 20, 2009, we need to tie Bush to the first train out of town and back home to Crawford, Texas, where someone needs to teach him how to be a decent diplomat and public speaker. The fact that he lacks both of these qualities makes him unfit to be President.

I love him. Sure, Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval Office, but Bush and his Bushisms are far more entertaining than pondering whether Lewinski spit or swallowed.

I love him. Sure, Clinton got a blowjob in the Oval Office, but Bush and his Bushisms are far more entertaining than pondering whether Lewinski spit or swallowed.

I never thought I'd ever know of someone who every time they open their mouth I'd completely disagree with what comes out of it. But George W. Bush did it. Quite amazing really.

My last thread on George Bush was how much do you hate him. This one is WHY do you hate him? I've heard people call him a dictator, an A$$ and a few other words I won't mention here. Some people are taking this too far in my opinon. Thoughts?
Multiple reasons: Plunging the Middle East into crisis, alienating allies, breeding terrorism, promoting environmental degradation, combatting human health, and promoting experiments on children to name a few.

I don't hate GWB, he just seems to disagree with me a lot. Who I really hate is Dick Cheney, who seems to be the real problem behind the current administration and the republican party in general.

Or maybe I'm overestimating his power.

The UN, NAFTA, Israel, Amnesty for Illegals, PATRIOT Act, the War on Terror... Need I go on?

I think what we need is a thread on why do you like George Bush?

I personally hate him on a personal and professional level :)

I don't hate the man. I hate what he's enabled by trying to be the Bubba-in-Chief. He's the President Who Doesn't Get It. Clinton was a slippery son-of-a-bitch, but he got politics, and he got the American people.

Bush thinks he gets it -- he's told by his handlers (the leader of the free world needs handlers...) that he gets it, but, like his father before him, he doesn't.

Nobody so chronically out of touch with reality should be allowed to become President, but unfortunately, it TAKES someone that out of touch with reality to win the election. Gotta love my country.

Read this thread I made a while ago.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542661

Hey, who's got that Molly Ivins quote in their sig? That basically sums up my feelings on the matter.

George Bush has the mind set of a dictator, and his abuse of the media comes very close to him being a dictator, we need to remember being a dictator does not mean that person will rule badly, clearly George Bush does rule badly, there have been more tyrannical leaders of recent history, maybe, (at least Bush hasn't tried to disband Trade Unions yet), although actually I suppose waging childish and illegal wars is pretty tyrannical.

Hey, who's got that Molly Ivins quote in their sig? That basically sums up my feelings on the matter.

C'est Moi :)

For those that don't look at sigs.

It is not necessary to hate George W. Bush to think he's a bad president. Grown-ups can do that, you know -- decide someone's policies are a miserable failure without lying awake at night consumed with hatred. Poor Bush is in way over his head, and the country is in bad shape because of his stupid economic policies. If that make me a Bush-hater, then sign me up.

-- Molly Ivins

I don't hate Dubya. I don't even hate his policies or his ideology or his unelected, power-behind-the-throne cabinet. I am simply not a very hateful person. However, it must be said that I resent the fact that his popularity is in large part due to a perceived mental or speech impediment -- the so-called 'Bushisms', and his displays of apparent out-of-touchness with reality -- as I am a proud intellectualist and view it as highly unfortunate that people distrust the intelligentsia to the degree that faking below-average intelligence makes one more likely to be elected president. His actions reveal him to possess a keenness of mind in his pursuit of his goals (namely, strengthening of the executive at the expense of legislative and judicial branches, and further intertwining the roles of government, media, and the Fortune 500). But even those who do not agree with those goals tend to believe him incapable of fulfilling them simply due to his façade of "averageness".

That's also why we're seeing Huckleberry rising in popularity as well, to some degree. He is, after all, a minister and thus necessarily closer to the people who will vote for him than the lawyers and career politicians currently dominating the race on both sides of the spectrum. He's adopted the political positions of many Americans, and appears to believe in them with complete honesty -- again, something lawyers and career politicians are bad at expressing, but a skill necessary for Sunday morning rhetoric to come across.

Ow, head exploded, serious post.

I don't hate him, and I don't feel any particular dislike for him. I think that many of his policies are at best ill-advised, and at worst screamingly idiotic (his apparent inability to actually act on climate change is the biggest in the book for me; sure, I think we're too late to prevent dangerous climate change now, but we could at least try to stop it becoming runaway), but sometimes I do support him.

I hate George W. Bush because he utterly botched the "War on Terror", and managed to ruin the economic future of this nation while doing so.

He could have focused on Afghanistan and kept the ops small, smart, and clean...instead he whacks the hornets nest of Islam by doing it big, dumb, and dirty in Iraq.

Not only does this mean Afghanistan is that much harder, but look at the long term...we're financing this war instead of actually paying for it.

The baby-boomers who shit their pants on 9/11 at the thought of actually having to go through another generational sacrifice like the World Wars/Great Depression, or the Cold War, are more than happy about Bush. Bush isn't taxing them to pay for this war...he's borrowing the money, and it's the youth of the country (those FIGHTING the war BTW) who are going to wind up paying it back...plus interest.

Couple that with a conservative social agenda that reeks of 50 years ago, and corrupt or incompetent associates...and that's three big reasons (among dozens of smaller ones) that I hate our current President.

The majority of you guys need to take major history/current events classes.

#1) THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DECLARE WAR. Congress unanimously voted to declare war on Iraq in 2003. And yes, even Hillary voted for it.

#2) He's not a liar. Saddam Hussein purposely tried to fool US Intelligence into thinking he had weapons of mass destruction. Why? So we would invade, he would kick our butts, and everyone would love him.

#3) Corruption?! Have you ever read a textbook? This so-called "corruption" is called POLITICAL SCIENCE. Every president has had a degree of "corruption" in his administration. That corruption is not of a malevolent degree, it's simply knowing what is and isn't okay to do in a political forum to pursue your agenda. Every president has done it. Even the great Thomas Jefferson did it when he defied Congress and bought the Louisiana Purchase without Congress's approval.

#4) Congress has the power of the purse. If you're complaining about how Bush is ruining our economy, just remember that the budget is always approved by our majority-democrat Congress.

I could go on and on but it's Christmas Eve and I don't feel like getting mad over completely ignorant, disrespectful people. Lastly, just because you disagree with Bush's policies and ideals doesn't warrant hatred or disrespect towards him. We're all entitled to our own opinion, and if you hate people because of who they are, you're no better than Hitler.

Merry Christmas!

Don't look at me, I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 or 2004.

"#4) Congress has the power of the purse. If you're complaining about how Bush is ruining our economy, just remember that the budget is always approved by our majority-democrat Congress. "

The President still has enormous power in forming economic policy, and until 2006, the Republicans had the majority.

"#2) He's not a liar. Saddam Hussein purposely tried to fool US Intelligence into thinking he had weapons of mass destruction. Why? So we would invade, he would kick our butts, and everyone would love him."

That doesn't prove that Bush didn't lie: in the end, Saddam did not have WMD.

"#3) Corruption?! Have you ever read a textbook? This so-called "corruption" is called POLITICAL SCIENCE. Every president has had a degree of "corruption" in his administration. That corruption is not of a malevolent degree, it's simply knowing what is and isn't okay to do in a political forum to pursue your agenda. Every president has done it. Even the great Thomas Jefferson did it when he defied Congress and bought the Louisiana Purchase without Congress's approval."

Bush just has this "political science" much more than previous administrations. Abramoff, Gonzales, Halliburton...

"#1) THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DECLARE WAR. Congress unanimously voted to declare war on Iraq in 2003. And yes, even Hillary voted for it."

On this point I have to concede.

I dislike the Bush administration because I feel that their policies have been misguided. I don't like Bush as a person because he tends to give off the impression of being a smug, semi-literate jerk. I am not impressed with him. Why don't they put in someone like Eisenhower or Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt? They had much better presidents in those days....

Bush has failed to restrain the federal government to the Constitution and has exceeded his authority on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, that's the typical expansionist mindset in DC. Gore or Kerry would have done much the same, just perhaps in different areas. Read the Constitution, look at what ALL 3 branches are doing, and see if there is any correlation. You'll find little similarity between what we SHOULD have and what we DO have.

Choices:
A. Status Quo. We continue to move toward a globalist, totalitarian form of government where our voice in national issues diminishes to the point of irrelevance, or
B. Vote Ron Paul in 2008 and strive to return to the Constitutional Republic our founding fathers envisioned.

OK, I'm off my soapbox.

The majority of you guys need to take major history/current events classes.

#1) THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DECLARE WAR. Congress unanimously voted to declare war on Iraq in 2003. And yes, even Hillary voted for it.

#2) He's not a liar. Saddam Hussein purposely tried to fool US Intelligence into thinking he had weapons of mass destruction. Why? So we would invade, he would kick our butts, and everyone would love him.

#3) Corruption?! Have you ever read a textbook? This so-called "corruption" is called POLITICAL SCIENCE. Every president has had a degree of "corruption" in his administration. That corruption is not of a malevolent degree, it's simply knowing what is and isn't okay to do in a political forum to pursue your agenda. Every president has done it. Even the great Thomas Jefferson did it when he defied Congress and bought the Louisiana Purchase without Congress's approval.

#4) Congress has the power of the purse. If you're complaining about how Bush is ruining our economy, just remember that the budget is always approved by our majority-democrat Congress.

I could go on and on but it's Christmas Eve and I don't feel like getting mad over completely ignorant, disrespectful people. Lastly, just because you disagree with Bush's policies and ideals doesn't warrant hatred or disrespect towards him. We're all entitled to our own opinion, and if you hate people because of who they are, you're no better than Hitler.

Merry Christmas!


1. The president has 30 days to enact any military action he desires, BEFORE congress can vote to declare war. Congress voted, based on the lies and faulty "intelligence" BUSH PROVIDED.

2.Hussein in no way "lied about his wmd's". He consistantly denied having them. It was Bush and Co, who ignored the evidence to that effect, and pushed for military action, insisting upon wmd's and imaginary roving chemical labs.
Whatever he may have been, Hussein was not stupid. He in no way desired full scale war in his own country against a country he could not defeat.
He was fully aware of this.

3. Bush is by far the most corrupt one yet. No other President in recent history has made such flagrant disregading of the Constitution, all for the sake of his, and his "base", and the immense profit they have made from the Iraq War.

4. The Democrat controlled congress has only recently approved of an 80 billion funding.
The other 2 trillion....that was before 2006.

could go on and on but it's Christmas Eve and I don't feel like getting mad over completely ignorant, disrespectful people. Lastly, just because you disagree with Bush's policies and ideals doesn't warrant hatred or disrespect towards him. We're all entitled to our own opinion, and if you hate people because of who they are, you're no better than Hitler.

Yes, im sure you could go on, but for your own sake, do not. You are misinformed, and quite wrong. You seem much more "ignorant" than those you make the claim against.

Respect, since you mentioned it, is earned, no one simply deserves it, becuase of who they are. Bush's actions have been one of a warmongering fucktard, who is not concerned about the environment, or the healthcare system of his own people.
If he truly gave a shit, he would at least read proposals regarding socialized medicine.
He does not.

BTW, ever hear of "Godwin's Law?"

there is a real and eminent threat to all of humanity and the entire web of life on planet earth. shrubery the simple is its poster boy and hood orniment.

he isn't very likely its real major decission maker or even consulted other then in token and cosmeticly, he just gets to warm the chair and play like he is, to take the flack for them that do. he does, on paper, have that authority, but it remains indeterminate whether he actually has the personal capability of wielding it. maybe he is and does. maybe he's a complete puppet of the interests he panders to. this is simple entirely undeterminable, but i'm inclined to wheight the latter a slightly higher probability, simply on the bases of his public appearances and statement, realizing of course they could be a put on and an act and maybe he really could have some idea what he's doing.

in any event, whatever his own level of participation in what has been so adamantly going on under his watch and above his signature, has been to the extreme detriment to all life on earth and to all of humanity, both throughout the rest of the world, and within his own america itself.

it is possible there might be still a few who can't or are so emotionally attatched to the assumptions they are familiar with they don't want to, see this. but their denials do not alter the basic facts of reality.

=^^=
.../\...

Honestly? I don't hate him. He's true to himself, just not fit for presidency.

I think hate requires some small bit of respect.

If you call George Bush a dictator, allow yourself to live in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Sudan, DRC or China for a week. Then come back and tell me Bush is still a dictator.
How about, in appreciation of your sentiment, we send Bush to live in any of those places and see where his machismo gets him, and we're all the better for it?
Then we don't also have to listen to people say stupid things about how we should just take it in contrast to other countries who never had it so good in the first place.

Coconut Crabs? :eek:

http://alysu.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/coconut_crab.jpg

Hey!
Props!
*wiggles fingers*

Click Stand;13318229']
Or maybe I'm overestimating his power.

Nope. You're not.

Read this thread I made a while ago.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542661

I think i got the jist of it past the third or fourth post ... the one with the rusty serrated spoon or something. Ayup.

The majority of you guys need to take major history/current events classes. And stop listening to Limblob while you're at it.

#1) THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DECLARE WAR. Congress unanimously voted to declare war on Iraq in 2003. Wrong. Physician, heal thyself and shut the fuck up. Supporting funding for operations is *NOT* declaring war.

#2) He's not a liar. Credibility=gone. Enough for you. You really shouldn't have started with your own humiliation of "taking classes".

#4) Congress has the power of the purse. If you're complaining about how Bush is ruining our economy, just remember that the budget is always approved by our majority-democrat Congress. And just remember what the word "veto" means. Again, you should shut up now.
I don't feel like getting mad over completely ignorant, disrespectful people. Then stay away from the mirror, the radio, the TV and online blogs.

if you hate people because of who they are, you're no better than Hitler....but it's okay to call people competely ignorant and disrespectful while simultaneously not noticing your own hypocrisy.

He's true to himself, just not fit for presidency.

Yeah since he's a born-again christian and all, he's got the "true" and "himself" down, you know. :rolleyes:
I trust that God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job.July 9, 2004 - Lancaster PA

I fucking hate Lancaster! It's so boring there.

And hey, when you let the hippopotamii back, I'll acknowledge your comment.:upyours:

I fucking hate Lancaster! It's so boring there.
Not if you like actual work :p

And hey, when you let the hippopotamii back, I'll acknowledge your comment.:upyours:S.A.B.B.A.T.I.C.A.L.
'sides, that may never happen. I have no recollection whatsoe'er of even possessing any hippopotamii.
*sic*

Not if you like actual work :p
S.A.B.B.A.T.I.C.A.L.
'sides, that may never happen. I have no recollection whatsoe'er of even possessing any hippopotamii.
*sic*

Jesus H. Macy, the only people who "work" there are the Amish and mall employees.

*throws more coffee*

Jesus H. Macy, the only people who "work" there are the Amish and mall employees.

*throws more coffee**uses Iceman's finger to turn coffee into frozen clump, sticks toothpick into it, chews*
You're right, my bad. I should never have expected "work" and "George W. Bush" to found to be anywhere near each other, lest there be vexing brambles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40191000/jpg/_40191497_bush150.jpg
Goddamn he's a fucking moron. Curse him.

Why do I hate Bush? Let me count the ways...

1) The Patriot Act. The mere idea of holding citizens without due process should be met with outrage, and yet this somehow made itself into law. Sickening.

2) Valerie Plame. Leaking information about an intelligence agent who is still in the field is treason. Libby was lucky enough to get off with only 30 months in prison, and Bush saw fit to commute it to a simple fine. Yep, that's justice for you. Wait...

3) Soft on immigration. Illegal immigration is illegal. Yet we give them citizenship and let them hold rallies. Right, INS, there's a few million illegals RIGHT FUCKING HERE! They're the ones waving the goddamn Mexican flag. Pick them up and ship them right the fuck back to where they came from, please.

4) Inability to string together a coherent sentence. While entertaining, it makes all of us Americans look mind-numbingly stupid. Well, we did elect him into office, so the majority of us have no defense from these accusations, but still, we're Americans. Do we need to look any less intelligent?

Oh, and for the record: My views on this stuff are my own. They are unlikely to change, and this probably isn't the place to debate them. Please direct all comments along the lines of "OMG MEXICANS R UR FRENDS" or "STFU SCOOTER ROXXORZ" to another thread please, where I shall be happy to respond. Also, an option of "I hate Bush because of issues that matter" would have been appreciated, so I wouldn't have had to choose between looking like a druggie, looking like a foaming liberal, or saying I don't hate the guy.

Also, coconut crabs rock. That is all.

I never thought I'd ever know of someone who every time they open their mouth I'd completely disagree with what comes out of it. But George W. Bush did it. Quite amazing really.

Yes. He even has the amazing talent of contradicting himself and being wrong both times.

Greetings,

I do not hate him, however he was a horrible president.

His invasion of Iraq, even with ALL his intelligence agencies noting that such actions would SPREAD terrorism worldwide, was by far the worst thing for democracies worldwide.

Al Qaeda trained loyalists are now locating across the world, Al Qaeda is spawning ideas in the heads of future idiots (aka future home grown terrorists) who would follow such a ridiculous cause and in the process they are causing true democratic citizens grief and turmoil as a result. The incidents recently in Algeria are only a small start to the problems we will see worldwide no doubt unfortunately.

Not crushing Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan when we had the chance in 2001 and afterwards, when the entire world was interested in helping America in her hour of need, was the worst decision Bush could have possibly made.

Bush's presidency consisted of 20th century thinking. Ensure you have enough oil, ensure you take out Saddam because he was a bother to your father.

Though he achieved the latter goal, the cost now and no doubt the future cost of his actions will leave a legacy for generations to come and beyond of his selfish motivations and his inability to see America as mortal. The greatest empires in the past history have fallen due to similar boughts of megalomaniac egotism.

Bush brought the US into Iraq. Bush should have gone into Afghanistan with the international community's support and removed ALL of Al Qaeda. He could have forever been remembered as the man who led the capture or killing of Bin Laden, his legacy could have been that of a great leader, one who all democratic people would have remembered with pride. His actions instead have caused our democratic world to be placed on the brink of hell.

Samuel Huntington, in his book Clash of Civilizations, correctly noted the path our world would take at the end of the cold war. Bush has further plunged us down this path, the recent terrorism in Algeria (and how the UN was targetted, the same as in Iraq), coupled with Al Qaeda's declared war on America and her allies, is a huge warning to us of no doubt what is to come, but our leaders are too blind to see it. :(

Sincerely, Eagle Scream

- 49% of United States voters liked George W. Bush in 2000.
- 100% of lefties refuse to accept that.

President George III was not expected to win in 2000. That is why people started hating him. That he hasn't really done anything to deserve the hate and that nothing has stuck, much like Clinton, only makes people hate him even more. He hasn't ruined the economy, the market is higher than it ever has been. I'm glad he's soft on immigration because the only way someone with my income will be able to afford a maid and a private cook is with the cheap labor immigrant workers provide. Bush didn't leak Valerie Plame's name to anyone, it wasn't even Libby who leaked the name, yet many, many people try to blame both of them for it. Some have criticized him for joining the National Guard to avoid the draft and over-seas service but forget that Clinton was a draft-dodger. And then there is the wars; the wars that congress approved, that they continue to fund, and that seem to be finally turning around if only just a little.

I don't hate him. I think he's a piece of shit, and the worst president the US ever has had (at least in modern times). If he is remembered, I think he will be remembered for all the bad decisions he's made, as well as his horrendous administration.

That's right, bad decisions like misleading America into a
war - compared to Clinton who only got a blowjob. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PESPBr_NtPs) (Sing along, you know the words!)

#2) He's not a liar. Saddam Hussein purposely tried to fool US Intelligence into thinking he had weapons of mass destruction. Why? So we would invade, he would kick our butts, and everyone would love him.
Ahahahaha no.

Oh, and for Bush:

“On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death.”
We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two. And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.
Hmmm....


- 49% of United States voters liked George W. Bush in 2000.
- 100% of lefties refuse to accept that.
I'm glad he's soft on immigration
Damn leftie.

- 49% of United States voters liked George W. Bush in 2000.
- 100% of lefties refuse to accept that.

President George III was not expected to win in 2000. That is why people started hating him. That he hasn't really done anything to deserve the hate and that nothing has stuck, much like Clinton, only makes people hate him even more. He hasn't ruined the economy, the market is higher than it ever has been. I'm glad he's soft on immigration because the only way someone with my income will be able to afford a maid and a private cook is with the cheap labor immigrant workers provide. Bush didn't leak Valerie Plame's name to anyone, it wasn't even Libby who leaked the name, yet many, many people try to blame both of them for it. Some have criticized him for joining the National Guard to avoid the draft and over-seas service but forget that Clinton was a draft-dodger. And then there is the wars; the wars that congress approved, that they continue to fund, and that seem to be finally turning around if only just a little.

1) "The market is higher than it's ever been"? What the hell does that even MEAN? The Dow Jones Industrial Average is hovering around 13k, but the sub-prime debacle has ruined millions, and teh housing bubble burst with consequences that seem only to affect the borrowers and not the idiot lenders. Please explain how welfare is only bad when it's for people and not for banks. Capitalism used to be about private capital AND private risk. Now when a bank fucks up, the risk is somehow PUBLIC. Please explain how that makes for a good economy for anyone but those in charg of corporations. Don't bother -- you' can't.

2) I'll assume that your need for servants is sarcasm, because if you're being serious, you're a lazy jackass who deserves an audit from both IRS and INS.

3) Bush may not have leaked Plame's information, but he certainly didn't object to it when her husband leveled perfectly reasonable questions about Bush's foreign policy as was actually being heard. His attack dog sis the job for him and he turned the other way.

4) NOBODY forgets Clinton dodged the draft because Clinton was completely up frontabout where he was during the whole time. Shit, we still don't know WHERE Bush was when he was supposed to be at drill in the Guard. You are really reaching for apologist horseshit when you bring this one up, junior.

5) Oh yes, Congress approved the war. Based on lies, fale information and an emotional push for action in the wake of 9/11. As for the "power of the purse", please name one politician ready to sacrifice himself on the altar of the truth in either party. Voting against military funding is political suicide, and Bush knew it, and still counts on it. Why? Because his attack dogs (Limbaugh, Hannity, Larson, O'Reilly, Beck, & co.) will charge that YOUR CONGRESSMAN HATES THE TROOPS! This isn't national politics, it's high school bullshit, and I'll be very glad to see it done.

Until the Democrats start their own unique brand of horseshit, and the circle of modern political life starts anew.

I hate Bush because its the easiest way to avoid logical debate and its fun and its cool to be anti-authority everybodys doing it and i have to bow down to ideology since the TV told me too and im insecure and Bush-bashing is like getting high to me totally like w/e 420 jk lol lmao im so scene emo4lyfe

Why do I hate Bush? Let me count the ways...

1) The Patriot Act. The mere idea of holding citizens without due process should be met with outrage, and yet this somehow made itself into law. Sickening.

2) Valerie Plame. Leaking information about an intelligence agent who is still in the field is treason. Libby was lucky enough to get off with only 30 months in prison, and Bush saw fit to commute it to a simple fine. Yep, that's justice for you. Wait...

3) Soft on immigration. Illegal immigration is illegal. Yet we give them citizenship and let them hold rallies. Right, INS, there's a few million illegals RIGHT FUCKING HERE! They're the ones waving the goddamn Mexican flag. Pick them up and ship them right the fuck back to where they came from, please.

4) Inability to string together a coherent sentence. While entertaining, it makes all of us Americans look mind-numbingly stupid. Well, we did elect him into office, so the majority of us have no defense from these accusations, but still, we're Americans. Do we need to look any less intelligent?

Oh, and for the record: My views on this stuff are my own. They are unlikely to change, and this probably isn't the place to debate them. Please direct all comments along the lines of "OMG MEXICANS R UR FRENDS" or "STFU SCOOTER ROXXORZ" to another thread please, where I shall be happy to respond. Also, an option of "I hate Bush because of issues that matter" would have been appreciated, so I wouldn't have had to choose between looking like a druggie, looking like a foaming liberal, or saying I don't hate the guy.

Also, coconut crabs rock. That is all.



Okay, #1, the Patriot Act wasn't an executive order, it was a law that moved through Congress. So don't hate Bush alone, hate Congress. I think you're forgetting that over 320 other people voted for the Patriot Act.

And #4, you hate someone because he "can't string together semi-coherent sentence?" How shallow can you get? And, just for the record, he graduated with a history degree from Yale. I'd like to you see YOU do that. Every person makes mistakes when publicly speaking. I really hope you never have kids, because I'm afraid you're the kind of person that would disown them when they struggle sounding out a word.

And stop listening to Limblob while you're at it.
Wrong. Physician, heal thyself and shut the fuck up. Supporting funding for operations is *NOT* declaring war.
Credibility=gone. Enough for you. You really shouldn't have started with your own humiliation of "taking classes".
And just remember what the word "veto" means. Again, you should shut up now.
Then stay away from the mirror, the radio, the TV and online blogs.
...but it's okay to call people competely ignorant and disrespectful while simultaneously not noticing your own hypocrisy.

Dude, have you EVER taken a Government class before?! CONGRESS declares war! The President can declare a police action, and that's it. Our last police action was the disaster in Vietnam, so Bush made sure he got a declaration of war before touching Iraq.

Lies: the lies were told to the government and intelligence as a whole. Hussein can say to the media that he doesn't have WMDs, but Iraq was sending a completely different message to US Intelligence. If you knew anything about political history, you would know that Congress has the power to initiate Congressional investigations, and the party in power will always start one against the party in power if there is anything worth looking in to. Democrats own Congress now, and they can't start an investigation against Bush for perjury because everything he told them was what he was informed by intelligence.

Yeah, and maybe YOU should learn what veto means. Congress can override Bush's veto with a 2/3 majority vote. The veto is essentially quite powerless.

And no, I'm not being disrespectful or ignorant. I'm trying the best I can to defend our country's leader from your criticism, because he warrants more respect that he has. I don't hate you because of who you are, and I wouldn't dare say I hate you because of your opinion. THAT is ignorance, and THAT is what I am not doing. I'm simply trying to be respectful towards a man doing a job that no one else here could do any better.

And #4, you hate someone because he "can't string together semi-coherent sentence?" How shallow can you get? And, just for the record, he graduated with a history degree from Yale. I'd like to you see YOU do that. Every person makes mistakes when publicly speaking. I really hope you never have kids, because I'm afraid you're the kind of person that would disown them when they struggle sounding out a word.

There's a difference between children having a problem with public speaking and the president of the United States having a problem. He is probably number two on the illiteracy chart of presidents, right behind Harding himself.

I don't hate Bush so much as think he's a bit of a muppet, to be honest.

For Fun And For Profit, the same reason I do everything...

"I don't hate him. He's just a bad president."

And in addition I also disagree with him on many issues.
But hate ? Nah.
Ditto!!!!!

And no, I'm not being disrespectful or ignorant. I'm trying the best I can to defend our country's leader from your criticism, because he warrants more respect that he has. I don't hate you because of who you are, and I wouldn't dare say I hate you because of your opinion. THAT is ignorance, and THAT is what I am not doing. I'm simply trying to be respectful towards a man doing a job that no one else here could do any better.

The fact that ordinary people with no political background could not run the country does not excuse the current President's incompetence any more than an ordinary person's inability to perform surgery excuses a surgeon from botching an operation through incompetence.

Okay, #1, the Patriot Act wasn't an executive order, it was a law that moved through Congress. So don't hate Bush alone, hate Congress. I think you're forgetting that over 320 other people voted for the Patriot Act.

Many of the Congresspeople who passed the Patriot Act said that they didn't actually read the whole thing; and some of them only voted for it because they thought it would be seen as unpatriotic to vote against the act. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, and others like it, are the ones for which we should hate Congress. (For those who haven't heard of MCA '06 -- and for good reason, too -- that's the act that both strips "enemy combatants" of the Bill of Rights, and fails to define "enemy combatants". Essentially, if the government says you're an enemy combatant, you can be incarcerated and tortured without a trial and without ever hearing any of the evidence against you.)

Many of the Congresspeople who passed the Patriot Act said that they didn't actually read the whole thing; and some of them only voted for it because they thought it would be seen as unpatriotic to vote against the act. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, and others like it, are the ones for which we should hate Congress. (For those who haven't heard of MCA '06 -- and for good reason, too -- that's the act that both strips "enemy combatants" of the Bill of Rights, and fails to define "enemy combatants". Essentially, if the government says you're an enemy combatant, you can be incarcerated and tortured without a trial and without ever hearing any of the evidence against you.)

Shades of Kafka.

Okay, #1, the Patriot Act wasn't an executive order, it was a law that moved through Congress. So don't hate Bush alone, hate Congress. I think you're forgetting that over 320 other people voted for the Patriot Act.

And #4, you hate someone because he "can't string together semi-coherent sentence?" How shallow can you get? And, just for the record, he graduated with a history degree from Yale. I'd like to you see YOU do that. Every person makes mistakes when publicly speaking. I really hope you never have kids, because I'm afraid you're the kind of person that would disown them when they struggle sounding out a word.

Right, and we've elected how many children to the highest office in the land? Look -- I don't care if my grocer can't exress himself, that's not his job. My mechanic? Same thing, so long as he fixes stuff well, I dont care if he communicates in semaphore. Bush's JOB is to COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY and CLEARLY to the US and the WORLD. He's miserably POOR at that jb and deserves the lampooning he gets for it PRECISELY BECAUSE he went to Yale. Don't you get that? Is your head so far down in the sand that you can't see that? We're not talking complex, James Joyce-ian sentences here, either!

Yeah, and maybe YOU should learn what veto means. Congress can override Bush's veto with a 2/3 majority vote. The veto is essentially quite powerless.

Right, and nobody would draft ads for TV and radio calling everyone who voted against the Patriot Act as being soft on terrorism, would they? Oh no. :rolleyes: 2/3 of Congress doesn't have the guts to risk their cushy gigs to override a Presidential veto, and besides, don't you recall that Congress was in Repubican hands for the whole Patriot debacle? You mean to tell me that the Democrats couldn't muster a 2/3 veto override vote while they were in the minority?!? YOU'RE KIDDING! You mean that party loyalty meant MORE to the majority than reading the thing you're voting on and perhaps even disagreeing with the President from time to time?

Good Lord, I don't think you're stupid, but man, your attempts to whitewash the facts are verging on willful, deliberate ignorance.

1) "The market is higher than it's ever been"? What the hell does that even MEAN? The Dow Jones Industrial Average is hovering around 13k, but the sub-prime debacle has ruined millions, and teh housing bubble burst with consequences that seem only to affect the borrowers and not the idiot lenders.
The Dow is at 13k, was above 14k, and is doing damn fine considering a weakening dollar and the periodic housing slump. Unlike you, I actually graduated from college with a degree in something useful. I'm an aspiring architect and structural engineer so I know how rough it can get whenever the housing market dips. But here's the thing, it happens all the time. It builds up when prices bottom out and then plummets when everyone thinks they can buy a neighborhood, fix it up, then sell it at the same time everyone else is doing the same thing. The commercial market is much more stable and commercial office experience is actually seen as preferable to the more casual residential offices.

Please explain how welfare is only bad when it's for people and not for banks. Capitalism used to be about private capital AND private risk. Now when a bank fucks up, the risk is somehow PUBLIC. Please explain how that makes for a good economy for anyone but those in charg of corporations. Don't bother -- you' can't.
That, like "you can't drive drunk," sounds like a challenge! You must not know me very well because if you did then you wouldn't have accused me of defending private institutions getting government bailout. I am against all forms of wellfare, even corporate. If a company or practice cannot stand on its own and is unable to acquire funding from private sources then the government needs to keep out and let it go belly-up. When that happens it leaves a power vacuum for other companies ranging from startups to Wal Mart to fill the void. Especially Wal Mart. What's not to love? They have everything at that store, inculding 100 of the most popular but expensive prescription drugs for just $4 a month right next to the cat litter and dialysis machines.

2) I'll assume that your need for servants is sarcasm, because if you're being serious, you're a lazy jackass who deserves an audit from both IRS and INS.
You do that. I'll assume that your need to keep them brown-colored 'imgants' from getting into America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, for a chance at a better life is driven by your extreme xenophobia and racism. But I guess thy're tekin' 'ur jerbs so it's ok.

3) Bush may not have leaked Plame's information, but he certainly didn't object to it when her husband leveled perfectly reasonable questions about Bush's foreign policy as was actually being heard. His attack dog sis the job for him and he turned the other way.
So Bush had nothing to do with it but he's guilty be proxy. I guess that makes perfect sense even though it was Richard Armitage, not Libby who was the source of the leak and Libby (the Chief of Staff to the VP, doesn't get much closer the prez than that, huh) was only charged with lying (just like a certain former president when no one could prove he'd done anything illegal).

4) NOBODY forgets Clinton dodged the draft because Clinton was completely up frontabout where he was during the whole time. Shit, we still don't know WHERE Bush was when he was supposed to be at drill in the Guard.
Tho Killian documents for that CBS story were exposed as fabrications. Bush dodged combat by joining the Guard before he could get drafted. He's not the only guy that did that.

5) Oh yes, Congress approved the war. Based on lies, fale information and an emotional push for action in the wake of 9/11. As for the "power of the purse", please name one politician ready to sacrifice himself on the altar of the truth in either party. Voting against military funding is political suicide
I wouldn't hold it against a Dem if they made a choice based on bad intel (inside). And are you defending Saddama Bin Laden?

The fact is that Dems could stop the war any time they want but they don't want to be seen as responsible for kicking the crutches out from under a recovering nation ravaged by years of dictatorship and terrorism and depriving the soldiers that defend you and me from foreign threats of the equipment they need to survive. You're right that they're refusing to use the power they have for political reasons. Even though they promised to do it when they took control during the '06 elections. Yep, they went back on their word(s).

Many of the Congresspeople who passed the Patriot Act said that they didn't actually read the whole thing; and some of them only voted for it because they thought it would be seen as unpatriotic to vote against the act.
We have a great congress don't we? They always make sure that what their doing dosen't violate the constitution, and they all have backbones.
What is the oppisite of pro?Con.What is the oppisite of progress?Congress.

We have a great congress don't we? They always make sure that what their doing dosen't violate the constitution, and they all have backbones.
What is the opposite of pro?Con. What is the opposite of progress? Congress.

Apparently, most congressional acts are up to hundreds of pages long.
I believe the Patriot act was over 400.

Apparently, this is far too much for any Senator to actually read, Dem or Rep.
They get some one else to read it for them, and then just have that person "sum up".

Apparently, most congressional acts are up to hundreds of pages long.
I believe the Patriot act was over 400.

Apparently, this is far too much for any Senator to actually read, Dem or Rep.
They get some one else to read it for them, and then just have that person "sum up".
Even so. If you can't be bothered to read a couple hundred pages to prevent trampling of the commen man's rights, you shouldn't be in congress. Heck thousands of people read hundreds of pages for entertainment, why can't Congress do it to protect our rights? Because they have a golf appointment at 4:00. If anyone in Congress thinks they have something better to do then protecting our rights by reading a few hundred pages then first::upyours:
second, get out of politics.
And getting somone else to "sum it up"?!?! What if they present it in a way that tilts it in a more, or less, favorable light?

Even so. If you can't be bothered to read a couple hundred pages to prevent trampling of the commen man's rights, you shouldn't be in congress. Heck thousands of people read hundreds of pages for entertainment, why can't Congress do it to protect our rights? Because they have a golf appointment at 4:00. If anyone in Congress thinks they have something better to do then protecting our rights by reading a few hundred pages then first::upyours:
second, get out of politics.
And getting somone else to "sum it up"?!?! What if they present it in a way that tilts it in a more, or less, favorable light?

I hear ya, and agree.

Usually, the reader in question is a junior staff member, who delivers a "summary", and is not paid to give his opinion, favorable or otherwise.

Well, come next election Bush is out of office and hopefully his party too.

Well, come next election Bush is out of office and hopefully his party too.

The question is, how much damage can he do in the next year?
Your grandchildren will be still paying off the debt he has incurred.

The question is, how much damage can he do in the next year?
Your grandchildren will be still paying off the debt he has incurred.

Nah. Ron Paul is gonna get in, and sell America to China.

I think what we need is a thread on why do you like George Bush?

I personally hate him on a personal and professional level :)

You know such a thread would be torn to bits here. There are only a few conservatives here, like me, and many of us disagree with his policies.

Nah. Ron Paul is gonna get in, and sell America to China.

I think the corporate sector is selling the USA to China already, piece by piece.

What's wrong with trade with foreign states? I'm at peace with my lust, you should be too.

You know what, I think everyone here needs to live in Sudan for a week and tell me we don't have it great with Bush. I'm sick of fighting with people that take stances only because it's the "cool thing" to do, or CNN told them to. Guess it never occurs to anyone that liberals have propaganda too?

I'm retiring from these fruitless arguments.

For all of you who stay here:
"Fighting online is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

You know what, I think everyone here needs to live in Sudan for a week and tell me we don't have it great with Bush. I'm sick of fighting with people that take stances only because it's the "cool thing" to do, or CNN told them to. Guess it never occurs to anyone that liberals have propaganda too?

I'm retiring from these fruitless arguments.

For all of you who stay here:
"Fighting online is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

Just because it's more shit somewhere else, we should stop trying to strive towards perfection for our own nations?

Just because the world is a bit crap, we just suck it up and stop trying to improve it?

Fuck that. In the ass. No lube.

Fuck me. In the ass. No lube.
Fixed.

Fixed.

All you had to do was ask, sweety.

I don't see the advantage to be gained in not trying to improve our world, though.. so you rendered the whole thing nonsensical.

The Dow is at 13k, was above 14k, and is doing damn fine considering a weakening dollar and the periodic housing slump. Unlike you, I actually graduated from college with a degree in something useful. I'm an aspiring architect and structural engineer so I know how rough it can get whenever the housing market dips. But here's the thing, it happens all the time. It builds up when prices bottom out and then plummets when everyone thinks they can buy a neighborhood, fix it up, then sell it at the same time everyone else is doing the same thing. The commercial market is much more stable and commercial office experience is actually seen as preferable to the more casual residential offices.


That, like "you can't drive drunk," sounds like a challenge! You must not know me very well because if you did then you wouldn't have accused me of defending private institutions getting government bailout. I am against all forms of wellfare, even corporate. If a company or practice cannot stand on its own and is unable to acquire funding from private sources then the government needs to keep out and let it go belly-up. When that happens it leaves a power vacuum for other companies ranging from startups to Wal Mart to fill the void. Especially Wal Mart. What's not to love? They have everything at that store, inculding 100 of the most popular but expensive prescription drugs for just $4 a month right next to the cat litter and dialysis machines.


You do that. I'll assume that your need to keep them brown-colored 'imgants' from getting into America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, for a chance at a better life is driven by your extreme xenophobia and racism. But I guess thy're tekin' 'ur jerbs so it's ok.


So Bush had nothing to do with it but he's guilty be proxy. I guess that makes perfect sense even though it was Richard Armitage, not Libby who was the source of the leak and Libby (the Chief of Staff to the VP, doesn't get much closer the prez than that, huh) was only charged with lying (just like a certain former president when no one could prove he'd done anything illegal).


Tho Killian documents for that CBS story were exposed as fabrications. Bush dodged combat by joining the Guard before he could get drafted. He's not the only guy that did that.


I wouldn't hold it against a Dem if they made a choice based on bad intel (inside). And are you defending Saddama Bin Laden?

The fact is that Dems could stop the war any time they want but they don't want to be seen as responsible for kicking the crutches out from under a recovering nation ravaged by years of dictatorship and terrorism and depriving the soldiers that defend you and me from foreign threats of the equipment they need to survive. You're right that they're refusing to use the power they have for political reasons. Even though they promised to do it when they took control during the '06 elections. Yep, they went back on their word(s).

Wow. Just wow. Not only are you NOT the person I quoted, you singularly failed to actually address any of the points you quoted. You asked if I supported terrorists instead. Is that what you've sunk to, whoever you are? You can't refute anything so you argue from ignorance and try to cast aspersions on my national loyalty? That line is a very weak and pathetic one and does not deserve any response more than to tell you exactly that.

You know what, I think everyone here needs to live in Sudan for a week and tell me we don't have it great with Bush. I'm sick of fighting with people that take stances only because it's the "cool thing" to do, or CNN told them to. Guess it never occurs to anyone that liberals have propaganda too?

I'm retiring from these fruitless arguments.

For all of you who stay here:
"Fighting online is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

Ah, yes. "I'm taking my marbles and going home!" You're not retiring from these arguments because you would have to have been IN them in order to leave them. I don't believe that dissent is the "cool" thing to do, and CNN couldn't tell a dog how to bark. EVERYONE has their propaganda. The difference is that some propaganda is easier to believe than others because the truth doesn't need so much embellishment. You're just going to have to get it through that fog-shrouded head of yours that there are MILLIONS of people who don't swallow the party line of either party and see what needs to be fixed in this country and are willing to say so and do something about it. You're going to have to live with that.

You know what, I think everyone here needs to live in Sudan for a week and tell me we don't have it great with Bush.

Stalin was accredited with having killed over 20 million people through forced famine and his labor camps along with outright executions.

If I were to put a bullet in the vacuous space that would normally be filled in your cranium, I'm sure you would agree you would have it great by comparison.

Because his policies have done a lot of damage to the nation, and continue to do so. He's bad not only for the US, but for the world (environmental damage of course doesn't stop at borders).

I accept

"I don't hate him, he's just a bad president"


The rest of the world thinks

"BECAUSE HE IS A DICTATOR!"

Wow. Just wow. Not only are you NOT the person I quoted, you singularly failed to actually address any of the points you quoted.
Really? I was all but certain that I was the individual who made those statements. I even believe that if you follow the little green arrow links you can backtrack through the duel to see that you did indeed quote me. Are you accusing me of hijacking my own account? And just how the fuck did I not address your arguments? I think I especially nailed the housing issue and now I'll probably end up paying her child support for some hideous abomination worse than a furfag that'd be begging for death. Same thing with immigration but when I first voice approval of that it was a response to Otagia, not you.

You asked if I supported terrorists instead. Is that what you've sunk to, whoever you are? You can't refute anything so you argue from ignorance and try to cast aspersions on my national loyalty? That line is a very weak and pathetic one and does not deserve any response more than to tell you exactly that.
Seriousness is the last refuge of the shallow. If you'd read my statements a little more carefully you'd have noticed that I was neither.

Really? I was all but certain that I was the individual who made those statements. I even believe that if you follow the little green arrow links you can backtrack through the duel to see that you did indeed quote me. Are you accusing me of hijacking my own account? And just how the fuck did I not address your arguments? I think I especially nailed the housing issue and now I'll probably end up paying her child support for some hideous abomination worse than a furfag that'd be begging for death. Same thing with immigration but when I first voice approval of that it was a response to Otagia, not you.

The post you quoted was a reply to Ausendekia, but hey, don't let reality get in your way.


Seriousness is the last refuge of the shallow. If you'd read my statements a little more carefully you'd have noticed that I was neither.

Ah. Yet another "you should have known I was messing with you" defense. Whatever.

On the upside - thanks to him the total power of the USA is now considerably less than a few years ago.
Imagine - Bush being in power at the height of US power *shudder*.

So you're saying it's a good thing that the USA is less powerful?

I disagree.

But that's not to say I like the Bush Administration; I don't.

But Bush himself, I'm indifferent to him.

Bush has failed to restrain the federal government to the Constitution and has exceeded his authority on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, that's the typical expansionist mindset in DC. Gore or Kerry would have done much the same, just perhaps in different areas. Read the Constitution, look at what ALL 3 branches are doing, and see if there is any correlation. You'll find little similarity between what we SHOULD have and what we DO have.

Choices:
A. Status Quo. We continue to move toward a globalist, totalitarian form of government where our voice in national issues diminishes to the point of irrelevance, or
B. Vote Ron Paul in 2008 and strive to return to the Constitutional Republic our founding fathers envisioned.

OK, I'm off my soapbox.

This is what I hate most about the Bush Administration. The worst part about it is, somebody else, possibly an anti-religious bigot, could get in the White House and use the powers granted to the gov't by the Patriot Act to legally persecute religious people in VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

This makes the Patroit Act unconstitutional, and the Bush Admin. a bad one.

Whatever his faults, Bush is always a great source of unintentional humor. He's too stupid to be genuinely evil, so I don't hate him. I hate the ones pulling his strings, though.

My last thread on George Bush was how much do you hate him. This one is WHY do you hate him? I've heard people call him a dictator, an A$$ and a few other words I won't mention here. Some people are taking this too far in my opinon. Thoughts?

The biggest increase in government spending ever, a muddled policy of interventionism which is just costing American soldiers' lives (not to mention the billions of dollars), and most importantly the amnesty bill sponsored by McCain and Teddy Kennedy (and fully supported by Bush). The last was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Actually it was a ton of bricks but all the same... :mp5:

The post you quoted was a reply to Ausendekia, but hey, don't let reality get in your way.
Reality is on my side.

- 49% of United States voters liked George W. Bush in 2000.
- 100% of lefties refuse to accept that.

President George III was not expected to win in 2000. That is why people started hating him. That he hasn't really done anything to deserve the hate and that nothing has stuck, much like Clinton, only makes people hate him even more. He hasn't ruined the economy, the market is higher than it ever has been. I'm glad he's soft on immigration because the only way someone with my income will be able to afford a maid and a private cook is with the cheap labor immigrant workers provide. Bush didn't leak Valerie Plame's name to anyone, it wasn't even Libby who leaked the name, yet many, many people try to blame both of them for it. Some have criticized him for joining the National Guard to avoid the draft and over-seas service but forget that Clinton was a draft-dodger. And then there is the wars; the wars that congress approved, that they continue to fund, and that seem to be finally turning around if only just a little.
1) "The market is higher than it's ever been"? What the hell does that even MEAN? The Dow Jones Industrial Average is hovering around 13k, but the sub-prime debacle has ruined millions, and teh housing bubble burst with consequences that seem only to affect the borrowers and not the idiot lenders. Please explain how welfare is only bad when it's for people and not for banks. Capitalism used to be about private capital AND private risk. Now when a bank fucks up, the risk is somehow PUBLIC. Please explain how that makes for a good economy for anyone but those in charg of corporations. Don't bother -- you' can't.

2) I'll assume that your need for servants is sarcasm, because if you're being serious, you're a lazy jackass who deserves an audit from both IRS and INS.

3) Bush may not have leaked Plame's information, but he certainly didn't object to it when her husband leveled perfectly reasonable questions about Bush's foreign policy as was actually being heard. His attack dog sis the job for him and he turned the other way.

4) NOBODY forgets Clinton dodged the draft because Clinton was completely up frontabout where he was during the whole time. Shit, we still don't know WHERE Bush was when he was supposed to be at drill in the Guard. You are really reaching for apologist horseshit when you bring this one up, junior.

5) Oh yes, Congress approved the war. Based on lies, fale information and an emotional push for action in the wake of 9/11. As for the "power of the purse", please name one politician ready to sacrifice himself on the altar of the truth in either party. Voting against military funding is political suicide, and Bush knew it, and still counts on it. Why? Because his attack dogs (Limbaugh, Hannity, Larson, O'Reilly, Beck, & co.) will charge that YOUR CONGRESSMAN HATES THE TROOPS! This isn't national politics, it's high school bullshit, and I'll be very glad to see it done.

Until the Democrats start their own unique brand of horseshit, and the circle of modern political life starts anew.
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1) "The market is higher than it's ever been"? What the hell does that even MEAN? The Dow Jones Industrial Average is hovering around 13k, but the sub-prime debacle has ruined millions, and teh housing bubble burst with consequences that seem only to affect the borrowers and not the idiot lenders.
The Dow is at 13k, was above 14k, and is doing damn fine considering a weakening dollar and the periodic housing slump. Unlike you, I actually graduated from college with a degree in something useful. I'm an aspiring architect and structural engineer so I know how rough it can get whenever the housing market dips. But here's the thing, it happens all the time. It builds up when prices bottom out and then plummets when everyone thinks they can buy a neighborhood, fix it up, then sell it at the same time everyone else is doing the same thing. The commercial market is much more stable and commercial office experience is actually seen as preferable to the more casual residential offices.

Please explain how welfare is only bad when it's for people and not for banks. Capitalism used to be about private capital AND private risk. Now when a bank fucks up, the risk is somehow PUBLIC. Please explain how that makes for a good economy for anyone but those in charg of corporations. Don't bother -- you' can't.
That, like "you can't drive drunk," sounds like a challenge! You must not know me very well because if you did then you wouldn't have accused me of defending private institutions getting government bailout. I am against all forms of wellfare, even corporate. If a company or practice cannot stand on its own and is unable to acquire funding from private sources then the government needs to keep out and let it go belly-up. When that happens it leaves a power vacuum for other companies ranging from startups to Wal Mart to fill the void. Especially Wal Mart. What's not to love? They have everything at that store, inculding 100 of the most popular but expensive prescription drugs for just $4 a month right next to the cat litter and dialysis machines.

2) I'll assume that your need for servants is sarcasm, because if you're being serious, you're a lazy jackass who deserves an audit from both IRS and INS.
You do that. I'll assume that your need to keep them brown-colored 'imgants' from getting into America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, for a chance at a better life is driven by your extreme xenophobia and racism. But I guess thy're tekin' 'ur jerbs so it's ok.

3) Bush may not have leaked Plame's information, but he certainly didn't object to it when her husband leveled perfectly reasonable questions about Bush's foreign policy as was actually being heard. His attack dog sis the job for him and he turned the other way.
So Bush had nothing to do with it but he's guilty be proxy. I guess that makes perfect sense even though it was Richard Armitage, not Libby who was the source of the leak and Libby (the Chief of Staff to the VP, doesn't get much closer the prez than that, huh) was only charged with lying (just like a certain former president when no one could prove he'd done anything illegal).

4) NOBODY forgets Clinton dodged the draft because Clinton was completely up frontabout where he was during the whole time. Shit, we still don't know WHERE Bush was when he was supposed to be at drill in the Guard.
Tho Killian documents for that CBS story were exposed as fabrications. Bush dodged combat by joining the Guard before he could get drafted. He's not the only guy that did that.

5) Oh yes, Congress approved the war. Based on lies, fale information and an emotional push for action in the wake of 9/11. As for the "power of the purse", please name one politician ready to sacrifice himself on the altar of the truth in either party. Voting against military funding is political suicide
I wouldn't hold it against a Dem if they made a choice based on bad intel (inside). And are you defending Saddama Bin Laden?

The fact is that Dems could stop the war any time they want but they don't want to be seen as responsible for kicking the crutches out from under a recovering nation ravaged by years of dictatorship and terrorism and depriving the soldiers that defend you and me from foreign threats of the equipment they need to survive. You're right that they're refusing to use the power they have for political reasons. Even though they promised to do it when they took control during the '06 elections. Yep, they went back on their word(s).
Wow. Just wow. Not only are you NOT the person I quoted, you singularly failed to actually address any of the points you quoted. You asked if I supported terrorists instead. Is that what you've sunk to, whoever you are? You can't refute anything so you argue from ignorance and try to cast aspersions on my national loyalty? That line is a very weak and pathetic one and does not deserve any response more than to tell you exactly that.

You know what, I think everyone here needs to live in Sudan for a week and tell me we don't have it great with Bush. I'm sick of fighting with people that take stances only because it's the "cool thing" to do, or CNN told them to. Guess it never occurs to anyone that liberals have propaganda too?

I'm retiring from these fruitless arguments.

For all of you who stay here:
"Fighting online is like the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."Ah, yes. "I'm taking my marbles and going home!" You're not retiring from these arguments because you would have to have been IN them in order to leave them. I don't believe that dissent is the "cool" thing to do, and CNN couldn't tell a dog how to bark. EVERYONE has their propaganda. The difference is that some propaganda is easier to believe than others because the truth doesn't need so much embellishment. You're just going to have to get it through that fog-shrouded head of yours that there are MILLIONS of people who don't swallow the party line of either party and see what needs to be fixed in this country and are willing to say so and do something about it. You're going to have to live with that.
It seems quite obvious that only a part of your last post was directed at Ausendekia.

Ah. Yet another "you should have known I was messing with you" defense. Whatever.
When someone says that if you don't support Bush 100% you're defending Saddama Bin Laden then you know that they're not being 100% serious because there is no Saddama Bin Laden. You need to learn to pay attention and not be such a dipshit. When you can fulfill both of those I'll be nicer to you.

One blunder after another with this administration.

The President can declare a police action, and that's it. Our last police action was the disaster in Vietnam, so Bush made sure he got a declaration of war before touching Iraq.Good of you to equate the two. :p
What he DID was ramp up what he knew to be false intelligence about a situation that didn't exist in entirety in the first place.
Here's a lesson for you : dollar hegemony. Look it up.

Lies: the lies were told to the government and intelligence as a whole.BY the "government". Seriously we've been through this.
Hussein can say to the media that he doesn't have WMDs, but Iraq was sending a completely different message to US Intelligence.You obviously don't know who about the Downing Street Memos, the BND report and the TWO Duelfer reports. I'll consider you ignorant from this point by accident if not willfully.
If you knew anything about political historyThere's where you should probably keep the questions to yourself. What followed there was kinda embarassing for you.
Democrats own Congress nowAs evidenced by the veto you've been expressing ignorance about.
The veto is essentially quite powerless.Do we need a list?

And no, I'm not being disrespectful or ignorant.Other than using those exact words.
I'm trying the best I can to defend our country's leader from your criticismWell why don't you fuck off with that, since he earns the criticism through his actions, position, culpability and the responsibility he refuses to take.
because he warrants more respect that he has.No, he doesn't.
I don't hate you because of who you are, and I wouldn't dare say I hate you because of your opinion.As long as you don't hate me because i'm beautiful. :rolleyes:
You should tell me more about myself so you know what you *should* hate, eh?
THAT is ignorance, and THAT is what I am not doing. I'm simply trying to be respectful towards a man doing a job that no one else here could do any better.That's would be ignorant of you - to say that. You're shooting some unholy shit of hypocrisy there.

What is the oppisite of progress? Congress.

Ohnoyoudin't.

Reality is on my side.

Apologies for the misattribution. I mistook your multiple-point post for Aus'.

So having read all the rest of your Conservative boilerplate post, I'm supposed to take "Saddama bin Laden" as the one clue that you're kidding? Really? In a world that produces people who parrot the genius who coined "Ahme-dinner-jacket"? I don't think it was unreasonable to believe that you were serious.

Lose the insults.

Fixed.

No, this is fixed. Take a two day vacation for putting flames into Grave_n_Idles' quote box.