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http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14914756/detail.html

Wow. And to think the worst I ever got was a three day suspension. At that school, they probably suspend you too ... by your thumbs. :p

Ah, electro-shock therapy. The thinking man's taser.

Heh, how very Victorian of them.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14914756/detail.html

Wow. And to think the worst I ever got was a three day suspension. At that school, they probably suspend you too ... by your thumbs. :p

I tell you, if I had kids, I wouldn't have them in a school that administered electric shocks. But if that were to happen to one of them somehow, I'd sue that school for everything it was worth.

i would kill the guys who administered the shocks...

no really. 77 shocks????

i would fry their brains with the shock therapy until either someone stopped me or they stopped twitching

i would kill the guys who administered the shocks...

no really. 77 shocks????

i would fry their brains with the shock therapy until either someone stopped me or they stopped twitching

That's odd, what they did was medical malpractice at the most. Will you be hunting down all doctors and nurses who make mistakes?

Ah, electro-shock therapy. The thinking man's taser.

:)

What a god damn load of shit, everyone involved should be strapped down and electro-shocked. This shouldn't have been allowed before the prank call that ended up with one boy being burned because of the shocks, and yet they let it go on after it happened? No. The staff is obviously fucking incompetent, uneducated in what they are doing, and apathetic. Electro-shock therapy is not a god damn valid form of punishment. The cops are looking into filing charges huh? I have some targets for you: the state officials for criminal negligence and the staff for criminal stupidity.

That's odd, what they did was medical malpractice at the most. Will you be hunting down all doctors and nurses who make mistakes?
That depends, how many doctors and nurses are giving people so many electric shocks that they suffer first degree burns? There is a difference between accidental occurrences resulting in mistakes and criminal stupidity.

That's odd, what they did was medical malpractice at the most. Will you be hunting down all doctors and nurses who make mistakes?

Would make for a great television series.

I'd call it; 'Therapeutic Misadventures'.

:)

I don't think it's the shocks that are the problem. The people on duty at the time should have verified positively with other supervisors and staffers before administering the therapy. What they did was stupid and irresponsible.

people are so open to suggestion, wear a high visibility jacket thing construction workers have and tell people do not go a certain route/sleep with you

though they are still idiots and incompetent ones at that

That depends, how many doctors and nurses are giving people so many electric shocks that they suffer first degree burns? There is a difference between accidental occurrences resulting in mistakes and criminal stupidity.

its an emergency method used for psychiatric illness when nothing else has worked its basically the same as hitting your TV when it goes crappy:

we have no idea how it works
it has been shown to work in some cases
it has been recorded of the patients slipping back into the illness a few months/years after
it can do some serious harm but hey usually to have it suggested your in deep shit


its still done and it works the same as epilepsy (which is how it was found and why there is lower level of some mental illness in epileptics)

i would kill the guys who administered the shocks...

no really. 77 shocks????

i would fry their brains with the shock therapy until either someone stopped me or they stopped twitching

Usual Electro-shock therapy would leave someone tired and with short memory loss (nothing permanent) but I wonder how much damage 77 and 29 shocks would do to a human brain....

Usual Electro-shock therapy would leave someone tired and with short memory loss (nothing permanent) but I wonder how much damage 77 and 29 shocks would do to a human brain....

depends on the voltage but it is used in the sense that giving more lower level shocks is better than just sticking lightning up someones arse

Usual Electro-shock therapy would leave someone tired and with short memory loss (nothing permanent) but I wonder how much damage 77 and 29 shocks would do to a human brain....
I don't know, but I can tell you what it does to the human skin...

If only they could have...

http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF091-Gotcha_the_Clown.jpg

depends on the voltage but it is used in the sense that giving more lower level shocks is better than just sticking lightning up someones arse

I seriously doubt that has ever been tested scientifically. :p

I tell you, if I had kids, I wouldn't have them in a school that administered electric shocks. But if that were to happen to one of them somehow, I'd sue that school for everything it was worth.

It stands to reason that they are there because their parents put them there.

This is horrifying, though. 1) They still do this? 2) the staffers are either stupid or vicious 3) the prank caller needs to be found and subjected to all 106 shocks.

i would kill the guys who administered the shocks...

no really. 77 shocks????

i would fry their brains with the shock therapy until either someone stopped me or they stopped twitching

nah i would do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_excitation
or this Castration
and then do what you would do

They are "known" in the aspie community for several controversies that have occurred previously. What they do is not electro-shock therapy - ie. shocking the brain as a psychiatric remedy, as many seems to have assumed when reading the story - but rather electric shocks to the skin in order to cause pain and force compliance.

From the wikipedia entry:

The Center makes use of aversives as part of their intensive, 24/7 behavior modification program. Until the late 1980s, aversion therapy was administered in the form of spanking with a spatula, pinching the feet, and forced inhalings of ammonia.[2] Currently the Center administers 2-second electric skin shocks to residents using the Graduated Electronic Decelerator (GED), which was invented to administer the skin-shocks by remote control through electrodes worn against the skin.[3]

Concerns into the treatment regime prompted investigation by New York City Council[4] and an independent report was commissioned which was critical of both processes and oversight at the facility.[3]

Some parents of difficult children are highly supportive of the center's practices, especially as they can use the GED on home visits. Said one mother, "[All I have to do is show it to my son and...] he'll automatically comply to whatever my signal command may be, whether it is 'Put on your seatbelt,' or 'Hand me that apple,' or 'Sit appropriately and eat your food,'... It's made him a human being, a civilized human being."[2]

Bloody hell. It's barbaric in the extreme, then.

If only they could have...
I think this illustrates the dangers of electro-shock therapy a bit better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBomkSbsPZY&feature=related

Some parents of difficult children are highly supportive of the center's practices, especially as they can use the GED on home visits. Said one mother, "[All I have to do is show it to my son and...] he'll automatically comply to whatever my signal command may be, whether it is 'Put on your seatbelt,' or 'Hand me that apple,' or 'Sit appropriately and eat your food,'... It's made him a human being, a civilized human being."[

In exchange for her. When is she getting fitted for her shock collar? :p

I seriously doubt that has ever been tested scientifically. :p

well during the 18th century allot of work was put into electrocution so I wouldn't put it past them

though it has been used on animals to collect fur (http://www.hsus.org/furfree/news/press_releases/new_york_first_state_ban_electrocution_fur_082907.html)

They are "known" in the aspie community for several controversies that have occurred previously. What they do is not electro-shock therapy - ie. shocking the brain as a psychiatric remedy, as many seems to have assumed when reading the story - but rather electric shocks to the skin in order to cause pain and force compliance.

ah the old "beat them till they conform" concept, modern psychiatry has gotten so far hasn't it :(

Bloody hell. It's barbaric in the extreme, then.

how else do you expect to have them dance for others entertainment?

Why am I suddenly having flashbacks to the "Simpsons" episode where the family goes for counseling and get to apply electrical shocks to each other??

That depends, how many doctors and nurses are giving people so many electric shocks that they suffer first degree burns? There is a difference between accidental occurrences resulting in mistakes and criminal stupidity.
And criminal stupidity is different from medical malpractice how exactly?
Would make for a great television series.

I'd call it; 'Therapeutic Misadventures'.

:)
I'd watch it.

Bloody hell. It's barbaric in the extreme, then.

I'd buy that.

Why am I suddenly having flashbacks to the "Simpsons" episode where the family goes for counseling and get to apply electrical shocks to each other??
That was a great episode.

That's odd, what they did was medical malpractice at the most. Will you be hunting down all doctors and nurses who make mistakes?

There is a difference between run of the mill mistakes and not verifying an order to shock someone untill they had 1st degree burns.

I hope the police do file criminal charges.

And criminal stupidity is different from medical malpractice how exactly?

I'd watch it.
Criminal stupidity goes beyond the scope of simply not following standard practices

There is a difference between run of the mill mistakes and not verifying an order to shock someone untill they had 1st degree burns.
Not really, no. They mistakenly administered a medical treatment, and administered it badly. How is calling it criminal stupidity worse than medical malpractice?

I hope the police do file criminal charges.

Indeed. And the parents should lawyer up and get litigious on that school's ass.

Not really, no. They mistakenly administered a medical treatment, and administered it badly. How is calling it criminal stupidity worse than medical malpractice?



Indeed. And the parents should lawyer up and get litigious on that school's ass.

Malpractice is not following medical standards, not only did they not follow standards in correct dosing of the treatment they also made administrative decisions that are out of the scope for medical standard of treatment

They are simmilar for sure but Criminal stupidity is a better discriptor to include both the medical portion and the administrative failures as well.

And criminal stupidity is different from medical malpractice how exactly?

A willful and knowing disregard of standard practice and procedure.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/14914756/detail.html

Wow. And to think the worst I ever got was a three day suspension. At that school, they probably suspend you too ... by your thumbs. :p

That story is freakishly similar to an experiment carried out by Milgram where he phoned hospitals, pretending to be a doctor and asked nurses to give double the recomended dose of a drug to a patient. Nearly all of the nurses were prepared to obey the order, even though there were regulations against taking orders from doctors in that sort of situations.