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Hoover had plan for mass arrests

Sat Dec 22, 3:02 PM ET-- WASHINGTON - Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to suspend the rules against illegal detention and arrest up to 12,000 Americans he suspected of being disloyal, according to a newly declassified document.
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Hoover had wanted Truman to declare the mass arrests necessary to "protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage," The New York Times reported Saturday in a story posted on its Web site.

The plan called for the FBI to apprehend all potentially dangerous individuals whose names were on a list Hoover had been compiling for years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071222/ap_on_go_ot/hoover_mass_arrests
after further review: whit-ed out post.
here is my message for that rabid dog, Hoover:

It is obvious you were a ridiculous excuse for a human, you pitifully sad, miserable, has been. I pity you. Your remains are less than snail excrement. I pity you and fart in your general direction.

What a fucker.

And this is news how?

Good to know the press finally broke the news 57 years after the fact.

yes, I know it was classified

If he was alive today he'd be Head of Homeland Security.

But then Vetalia, anyone whose studied Hoover, knows what an idiot he was and that this comes as zero surprise.

Oh, yeah, he was pretty much all around terrible. I can only imagine how much damage he and the rest of his ilk did to the attempts to fight Communism during the 1950's and 1960's.

Good to know the press finally broke the news 57 years after the fact.

yes, I know it was classified

But then Vetalia, anyone whose studied Hoover, knows what an idiot he was and that this comes as zero surprise.

Eh. Cold war. He couldn't have implemented something like that unauthorized, in any case. It ain't news that he was a bit paranoid. I'm thinking Giuliani will restore the reputation of cross-dressing leaders. :p

OD run out of threads to make?? A bit of grave digging.

OD run out of threads to make?? A bit of grave digging.Sat Dec 22

Thats what you get when you make a cross dressing pedophile the head of the FBI.

Clearly these plans never came to fruition -- same as many other contingency plans that have been created and never needed.

Despite all his flaws, we haven't had an FBI director anywhere near as good as Hoover since he retired.

Thats what you get when you make a cross dressing pedophile the head of the FBI.

Hm. Hadn't heard he was a pedophile. Either way, people know his name.

Quick! Name the current director of the FBI.

Took me a minute to remember, honestly. :p

OD2, I think the gravedigging is in reference to the fact that the information, newly de-classified, is 50+ years old.

dunno about anyone else, but I would like to know who was on this "list"...

Hm. Hadn't heard he was a pedophile. Either way, people know his name.

Quick! Name the current director of the FBI.

Took me a minute to remember, honestly. :p
Yep, they've pretty much all been anonymous bureaucrats... Maybe not Kelley, but he had the experience of being an agent.

Hm. Hadn't heard he was a pedophile. Either way, people know his name.



Yah, thats the rumour.

No way of knowing for sure.

OD2, I think the gravedigging is in reference to the fact that the information, newly de-classified, is 50+ years old.

dunno about anyone else, but I would like to know who was on this "list"...

People on the list were most likely Hollywood types and union leaders.

In other news, Bush has expressed interest in reinstating J. Edgar Hoover as head of the FBI and is subsequently funneling money into resurrection technology.

Either way, people know his name. of all the -probably great- presidents/Chancellors/whatever names of Germany, I only know one.

People on the list were most likely Hollywood types and union leaders.and they could also be political figures (not necessarily leaders but those in active political roles) can you imagine if Bush Sr or some relative was on that list? :D

In other news, Bush has expressed interest in reinstating J. Edgar Hoover as head of the FBI and is subsequently funneling money into resurrection technology.

A hypocritical authoritarian closet homosexual. Wow, Hoover would fit in perfectly with the current Republican Party.

People still acting like there wasn't tens of thousands of active spies and subversives in the country?

It's like the people that bash McCarthy without acting researching his accusations. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with rounding up the worst useful idiots in the Republic.

People still acting like there wasn't tens of thousands of active spies and subversives in the country?

It's like the people that bash McCarthy without acting researching his accusations. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with rounding up the worst useful idiots in the Republic.

Buckshots do hit their mark occasionally. Still doesn't make a 12-gauge the perfect weapon for a hostage situation.

OD2, I think the gravedigging is in reference to the fact that the information, newly de-classified, is 50+ years old.the information was made public today.

Its like saying CIA declassified information -today- indicating a ex President/senator/whatever was a pedophile 50 years ago...
If the information is made public today, I will post it today.

I canNOT post it 50 years ago, because my time-travel-machine is being pimped at the Body-shop. ;)

I canNOT post it 50 years ago, because my time-travel-machine is being repainted. ;)

No internet either.

here is my message for that rabid dog, Hoover: (Pirated from the intewebs)

It is obvious you were a ridiculous excuse for a human, you pitifully sad, miserable, has been. I pity you. Your remains are less than snail excrement. I pity you and fart in your general direction.

Seconded in a major fashion.

Gauthier, it's just like the people on the Patriot Act lists, you don't get on it for no reason. Either someone gives up your name or you are linked to suspicious activities.

It's the old days when they knew who thousands of the made men in the mafia families were, but they couldn't do anything about it. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be making up lists. Did these people have a problem with that? I think not. RICO is a far greater threat to civil rights than the Patriot Act. White supremacist organizations have had some of the absolute worst cases of injustices done against them in the court of law. Read up on the lawsuits against WAR or the Aryan Nations. Losing everything because of a speech or very distant connections to a crime. He said that she said that he said that he was telling someone else to do this or that. It's only when it's leftists or non-white folk being investigated that it's a problem.

Gauthier, it's just like the people on the Patriot Act lists, you don't get on it for no reason. Either someone gives up your name or you are linked to suspicious activities.

Suspicious activites, like being a United States Senator (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/kenn-a21.shtml). Ahh, those terrorist kennedys, we're better off with them firmly grounded.

Fail.

Pffft. Get over that nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't surprise that you cite the World Socialist Website as a source though. They are about the lowest of the low.

Suspicious activites, like being a United States Senator (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/kenn-a21.shtml). Ahh, those terrorist kennedys, we're better off with them firmly grounded.

Fail.

Given HSHPE's strongly Bushevik leanings, he probably does think the Kennedys are terrorists.

Why link Ted Kennedy to the rest of the Kennedy's?

I had to respect JFK's tough anti-communist stances and Ted Kennedy is a disgrace to that memory. Terrorists love him by the way, any time they do raid and find propaganda, he's always there.

Of course he hasn't been publicly praised by Al-Qaeda like Seymour Hersh, George Galloway and Robert Fisk yet, but give him time.

*assorted neo-fascist reality challenged rants*.

I think we've found Andaras Prime's (AKA Eureka Australis's) mirror twin.

Pffft. Get over that nonsense. It doesn't work. It doesn't surprise that you cite the World Socialist Website as a source though. They are about the lowest of the low.

That's real cute, how you can't in any way respond to the argument so instead choose to attack the source...alright, have it your way.

How about the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html)?

CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/06/terror/main610466.shtml)?

Prefer MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5765143/)?

You seem like a Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218483,00.html?sPage=fnc.specialsections/homelandsecurity) kinda guy

Of course, there's always CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/19/kennedy.airlines/).

Now, since you can no longer bitch about the citation, how about you address the actual argument, which is, if a UNITED STATES SENATOR can end up being caught in airport screening, how can you claim that those on government lists definitvly deserve to be there?

Once again, fail.

I already knew the story, I was talking about the fact that you were a fan of that website. It wasn't surprising.

And you think that one minor mistake that didn't affect anything is the reason for the entire thing to be invalid or corrupt? Because nothing can ever work that way.

The argument you are using is the same one that say anti-death penalty people use. Oh the system is not infallible, so we have to get rid of it. It's an argument against any kind of justice system at all because nothing is perfect. Oh that man was wrongly convicted, so we have to get rid of the court system. Oh, someone killed someone with their car, they need to be banned. It doesn't work.

And when you keep repeating fail, you look like a tard.

I already knew the story, I was talking about the fact that you were a fan of that website. It wasn't surprising.

And you think that one minor mistake that didn't affect anything is the reason for the entire thing to be invalid or corrupt? Because nothing can ever work that way.

The argument you are using is the same one that say anti-death penalty people use. Oh the system is not infallible, so we have to get rid of it. It's an argument against any kind of justice system at all because nothing is perfect. It doesn't work.

Whoa, they're reeling ... REELING ... :rolleyes:

Oh that man was wrongly convicted, so we have to get rid of the court system. No, but we need to upgrade the faulty Legislation.. or fire that one Judge. (Depends on the case)

If my car brakes are faulty, I fix them. I dont give away the Car.

What does he mean by disloyal?

What does he mean by disloyal?

You know, anyone with even the slightest Left tendency.

here is my message for that rabid dog, Hoover: (Pirated from the intewebs)

It is obvious you were a ridiculous excuse for a human, you pitifully sad, miserable, has been. I pity you. Your remains are less than snail excrement. I pity you and fart in your general direction.

Does it make you feel better to lambaste someone who's been dead for 35 years and (obviously) never put this plan into effect?

Does it make you feel better to lambaste someone who's been dead for 35 years and (obviously) never put this plan into effect?poster 1: What do you want?
Poster 2: I want the truth.


http://www.uckg.org/Be-of-good-cheer/images/you-cant-handle-the-truth.jpg
:cool:

Does it make you feel better to lambaste someone who's been dead for 35 years and (obviously) never put this plan into effect?BTW.. If the admins/mods decide -one day- to change the costumes/rules and disallow hard words to infamous people/politicians..

I will support such a change of rules. As long as the rules are the same for everyone.

Does it make you feel better to lambaste someone who's been dead for 35 years and (obviously) never put this plan into effect?I went to the replay boot.. and upon further review..

I would ask you to delete the words "what a Fucktard" from this title.. If you have the time to do it.

I can do that if you wish.

I can do that if you wish.yes I do,
thanks

OD: What do you want?
Kat: I want the truth.


http://www.uckg.org/Be-of-good-cheer/images/you-cant-handle-the-truth.jpg
:cool:

Ok, and what the heck does this have to do with anything? This is the second time in two days you've placed words in my mouth and other than it being iincredibly immature, it's annoying. Cut the crap.

Ok, and what the heck does this have to do with anything? Let me translate the post:

I am asking you: Do you really want to know if ranting against that man makes me feel better?

but I think you feel I am treating you unfair-ly..
So I am going to retract/delete your name from that post.
and If you feel its still not fair.. I will delete it entirely.

He's been dead for, erm, quite a while now, so this is hardly news.

On the other hand, yep, he was a wanker.

Cut the crap.ok.

and just not to take any chances I am going to take a time out..
*goes AFK for 5 hours.*

What? Judy Hoover ran the FBI as his own personal authoritarian fiefdom, isolated from any potential oversight, regardless of the Constitution, or any laws in existence for that matter? He kept the Bureaus autonomy by digging up dirt on all of the major public players in Washington, and blackmailing them with it, if they even considered acting against him? I'm deeply shocked and appalled, shocked and appalled.

I thought we all knew that this sort of stuff was what he wanted to do to begin with, wasn't it?

You know, anyone with even the slightest Left tendency.

Or the far right, as well. Hoover had it out for the KKK, neo-Nazis (Cointelpro was aggressively used to infiltrate and break these organizations, and only later spread to leftist groups) and whatnot just the same as he did for anyone on the left. It would seem he had this sort of nineteen-fifties ideal of the white picket fence, politically moderate Republicans and Democrats, playing baseball and eating apple pie, and anything else was a perversion. Except cross dressing, but only when he was the one doing the cross-dressing.

There's a lot to learn from how Hoover ran the FBI, and how to stop people from doing that sort of stuff in the future. But endlessly criticizing him seems a mite bit unproductive, and more akin to mental masturbation than anything else, simply because no one is going to argue with the point of view that Judy Hoover was a D-bag.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

No one cared when they actually engaged in illegal actions against the white supremacist groups, the Polygamist churches or the mafia. It only became an issue when they were investigating the leftist or violent minority groups like the Black Panthers. Then it's a big civil rights violation.

It's a lot like the "concern" about terrorists captured today and their rights. For 60+ years it's never been in dispute that terrorists and spies had zero rights under international law, but now since it's the US that has the prisoners, it's a big debate and all of a sudden, everything has to be questioned and changed.

There have been far worst things done.

As Kat mentioned, why bitch about a dead mans plan that was never set in motion?

Is this another "look look DA US IS EBIL!" attempts?