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You always hear people debating about star wars vs star trek vs battlestar galactica.... and i hate that. Firstly i think the debates are pretty geeky to begin with, but also theres the fact that everyone seems to forget to mention Dr. Who!

I really dont understand why... Dr. Who is the longest running sci-fi series in existence, why do people always overlook it in these debates?

So that's why im asking this question. Who would win; the Daleks or the Borg?

The Daleks were the original all-conquering cybernetic organisms set to take over the entire universe. They're brilliant technicians, their lasers will kill anything in a single shot, and next to nothing can actually punch through their myriad of energy fields and armour plating and actually hurt them. Furthermore, their indiscriminate, sheer cry of 'EXTERMINATE' at everything that moves is iconic at the least.

The Borg are nothing to be underestimated however. Their ability to assimilate any humanoid means they have near inextinguishable numbers. Their collective mind also gives them an immense tactical ability, not to mention their ability to adapt. Then there's their adamant, emotionless collective declaration to any race they encounter: 'We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.' (though many times, the Federation proved them wrong)

Good God that's a tough one. The Borg might not be able to assimilate the Daleks, but th Borg might easily adapt to the Dalek's weapons. I can't decide, they're both so cool!
The only thing for sure is that at least half the universe would be destroyed.

The few times they come up in a "vs" question, I always need to look them up.

That's a tough question. It all depends on two things:


Can Borg shields adapt to Dalek weapons?
Can Borg nanoprobes penetrate Dalek armour?


If only number one is true, then the Borg will be fairly safe from the Daleks' main weapon and if nothing else, will be able to push them over. If only number two is true, then they will lose a great many drones until they finally manage to start assimilating Daleks. And if both of them are true... the Daleks will be defeated in short order.

The Dalek Empire spanned several galaxies, and they have the ability to manipulate time on a level second only to the Time Lords. In other words, the Daleks would exterminate the Borg before they'd ever evolved past being slugs.

Fools, all of you! You've all ignored the key question.

Do Borg Cubes have stairs? If so the Daleks are screwed. Now I'm ignoring the new daleks, 'cos they suck, and the engineer Daleks are only a minor constituent; so no great threat there.

Overall, however, I think the Daleks will win; nothing to back it up, I just believe it deep down at heart. [Oh, and if even the Doctor is scared of them imagine how powerful they must really be...]

Even if the Borg were superior, the Daleks will win because they just want it more.

that would be fun to watch for the few minuets it would last.

borg would so totally pwn daleks.

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Fools, all of you! You've all ignored the key question.

Do Borg Cubes have stairs? If so the Daleks are screwed. Now I'm ignoring the new daleks, 'cos they suck, and the engineer Daleks are only a minor constituent; so no great threat there.

Overall, however, I think the Daleks will win; nothing to back it up, I just believe it deep down at heart. [Oh, and if even the Doctor is scared of them imagine how powerful they must really be...]

How do the new Daleks suck?

They are far better than the old ones, the ability to climb stairs being a key improvement.

As for Daleks vs Borg, I would have to say Borg would win, simply because of their adaptive shielding, even though the Daleks are way cooler

I doubt the Borg's weapons or nanoprobes would penetrate Dalek shields.

And given that three Daleks were able to take on a few million cybermen...

How do the new Daleks suck?

They are far better than the old ones, the ability to climb stairs being a key improvement.

As for Daleks vs Borg, I would have to say Borg would win, simply because of their adaptive shielding, even though the Daleks are way cooler

Well, they're not really aggressive enough, for one. But I mainly say they suck because I prefer the old design and hierarchy of Daleks; I think they kinda ruined them in the 2005 revival - they're just not written in to behave the same way any more.

- they're just not written in to behave the same way any more.

Read: They talk way too much

Read: They talk way too much

Yes! There are only three things Daleks are allowed to say:
1. Orders, generally thing like "Exterminate!";
2. "I obey!";
3 "Exterminate!".

That's it. All this philosophical rubbish is, well, rubbish. They get this massive army together and then sit down for tea and biscuits... NO! They get a massive army together and exterminate Earth... yes.

Yes! There are only three things Daleks are allowed to say:
1. Orders, generally thing like "Exterminate!";
2. "I obey!";
3 "Exterminate!".

That's it. All this philosophical rubbish is, well, rubbish. They get this massive army together and then sit down for tea and biscuits... NO! They get a massive army together and exterminate Earth... yes.

I never really listened to them talk, I was more interested in watching them KILLING stuff with their lasers as opposed to steam

The Dalek Empire spanned several galaxies, and they have the ability to manipulate time on a level second only to the Time Lords. In other words, the Daleks would exterminate the Borg before they'd ever evolved past being slugs.

The Borg love screwing around with the bullshit Star Trek temporal rules, and you don't know anything about Star Trek.

There is no question.

The Daleks would EXTERMINATE the Borg. Not some of the Borg, all of the Borg.

1) The Borg mastery of time travel was pitiful compared to the Daleks, who fought time wars.
2) The Daleks are ruthless, brutally xenophobic fascists. The Borg don't want to kill you, they want to assimilate you and steal your technology. They do this in a haphazard way, based on whether they find a species interesting or not. The Daleks exploit and exterminate whole species for no other reason than they are there. They have the killer instinct.


And most importantly...

3) The USS Voyager blew up so many Borg ships I lost count. If the most worthless ship in the Star Trek universe can do it, where's the challenge for anybody else? Not to mention the fact that Voyager managed to kill off all the cool and mysterious elements of the Borg in a few short seasons, whereas forty plus years on the Daleks still have children hiding behind the sofa.

Daleks.

Seriously, it's so obvious, why even ask?

Mr. T pities them all.

Mr. T pities them all.

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That is the best commercial I have ever seen in my life :cool:

There is no question.

The Daleks would EXTERMINATE the Borg. Not some of the Borg, all of the Borg.

1) The Borg mastery of time travel was pitiful compared to the Daleks, who fought time wars.
2) The Daleks are ruthless, brutally xenophobic fascists. The Borg don't want to kill you, they want to assimilate you and steal your technology. They do this in a haphazard way, based on whether they find a species interesting or not. The Daleks exploit and exterminate whole species for no other reason than they are there. They have the killer instinct.


And most importantly...

3) The USS Voyager blew up so many Borg ships I lost count. If the most worthless ship in the Star Trek universe can do it, where's the challenge for anybody else? Not to mention the fact that Voyager managed to kill off all the cool and mysterious elements of the Borg in a few short seasons, whereas forty plus years on the Daleks still have children hiding behind the sofa.

This pretty much sums up why the Daleks > the Borg. But, mainly, my argument for the Daleks hinges upon the fact that while the Dr. Who universe and story is awesome and fun and campy (the good kind), Star Trek just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the smell of burnt bread in my nostrils. =\

Dalek (http://www.myspace.com/dalek) of course.

*knows nothing about science-fiction*

I am a huge Trekkie. Like a freaking super Trekkie or something.

But even I have to say Daleks, because as said, they can manipulate time and space on a level second only to the Time Lords. It's a highly unfair advantage, but it certainly is enough to defeat the Borg.

I doubt the Borg's weapons or nanoprobes would penetrate Dalek shields.

And given that three Daleks were able to take on a few million cybermen...

Yes, because blond chav handprints always succeed where super-advanced alien technology fails.

I doubt the Borg's weapons or nanoprobes would penetrate Dalek shields.

And given that three Daleks were able to take on a few million cybermen...

The Cybermen wern't adaptive.

The Cybermen wern't adaptive.

They were thick, that was the problem

There is no question.

The Daleks would EXTERMINATE the Borg. Not some of the Borg, all of the Borg.

1) The Borg mastery of time travel was pitiful compared to the Daleks, who fought time wars. and this was proven because the Daleks rule world and Dr. Who couldn't stop them. :rolleyes:

And most importantly...

3) The USS Voyager blew up so many Borg ships I lost count. If the most worthless ship in the Star Trek universe can do it, where's the challenge for anybody else? Not to mention the fact that Voyager managed to kill off all the cool and mysterious elements of the Borg in a few short seasons, whereas forty plus years on the Daleks still have children hiding behind the sofa. yep... and the Daleks were never stopped by a couple of people in their mad race to 'exterminate' humanity. :rolleyes:

I say Borg, because once the borg adapt, they won't be hurt. and all they need to do is take over one Dalek and the Dalek's tech becomes the borg.

The Daleks are possibly the most advanced species in the universe ever second only to humans but then again we always win so thats that

also I fail to see how one can "adapt" (which has always made no sense to me) to the most powerful weapons ever

The Daleks are possibly the most advanced species in the universe ever second only to humans but then again we always win so thats that

also I fail to see how one can "adapt" (which has always made no sense to me) to the most powerful weapons ever

I think the idea is that the Borg, because they are a Collective, are able to bring to bear the full extent of all of the minds of all of the drones, which number in the dozens of trillions if not more. As such, whenever they get their hands on a new piece of technology they're able to examine it and figure out exactly how it works extremely fast, as if they had a supercomputer running all the time on that sort of thing. That's why they don't slow down or what have you when assimilating technology.

As for the process of assimilation itself, it uses nanotechnology, which can penetrate silicon and duranium as easily as flesh and blood.

I think the idea is that the Borg, because they are a Collective, are able to bring to bear the full extent of all of the minds of all of the drones, which number in the dozens of trillions if not more. As such, whenever they get their hands on a new piece of technology they're able to examine it and figure out exactly how it works extremely fast, as if they had a supercomputer running all the time on that sort of thing. That's why they don't slow down or what have you when assimilating technology.

yes but negating a weapons effects generally involves building things not changing the polarity of your shields or whatever the Borg do every time Star fleet doesn't fire on the cubes one week spot

then again how did the Borg not adapt to Species 8472?

As for the process of assimilation itself, it uses nanotechnology, which can penetrate silicon and duranium as easily as flesh and blood.

pffft nothing penetrates Dalek armour though (that is if you can knock out the shields first) especially not those crappy needles they used in first contact

yes but negating a weapons effects generally involves building things not changing the polarity of your shields or whatever the Borg do every time Star fleet doesn't fire on the cubes one week spot

then again how did the Borg not adapt to Species 8472?


Hey, I didn't invent the technology. All I ask is that it is internally consistent, which it is except for the 8472 stuff, which I honestly don't remember what the exception was...probably something to do with the organic nature of their ships.

pffft nothing penetrates Dalek armour though (that is if you can knock out the shields first) especially not those crappy needles they used in first contact

As I said, in my opinion the Daleks will win.

I'm suprised this isn't spam yet.
But I say Daleks

pffft nothing penetrates Dalek armour though (that is if you can knock out the shields first) especially not those crappy needles they used in first contact
Didn't they open up a dalek in Dr. Who? so the 'armor' has seams and joints where the nanites can squeeze through.

Didn't they open up a dalek in Dr. Who? so the 'armor' has seams and joints where the nanites can squeeze through.

you have to de-activate the force fields first and then somehow stop the Dalek self destructing

not that one of the most advanced species in the universe would of managed to create perfectly fitting armour or anything...

you have to de-activate the force fields first and then somehow stop the Dalek self destructing

not that one of the most advanced species in the universe would of managed to create perfectly fitting armour or anything...

force fields can be bypassed and the nanites can prevent shutdown.

The problem is the Daleks need to destroy each and every Borg and their ever adapting Offensive and Defensive capabilities. the Borg need only to get ONE Dalek to gain the Dalek's technology and insure the Dalek's defeat.

in other words, the Daleks need to get lucky each time while the Borg need to only get lucky once.

The Borg will take incredibly heavy initial losses to be sure, but once they adapt it's a stalemate because of the inpenetrability of Dalek armor. They'll pretty much be at a standoff unless the Borg can pull off some kind of super-strategy where they assimilate a Dalek. I wonder if that's even possible...

What would probably happen is while they're at a standoff, the humans would say "Screw this" and kill both sides. Those silly humans! :p

This all boils down to one thing:

Assimilate vs. Exterminate!

Extermination kicks Assimilation's ass every time. So Daleks.

also I fail to see how one can "adapt" (which has always made no sense to me) to the most powerful weapons ever
I'm pretty sure it's a scientific thing, mixed with a healthy dose of suspended disbelief and science fiction.

Man, the Borg would own those pansy Daleks. Ever seen the inside of one of those Cubes? There's thousands of stairs. And tiny little corridors that only two Borg can walk through abreast at any time. The Daleks would run up against the first step and get jammed into a huge gridlock on the lowest level of the Cube, shouting angrily "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE" and waving their plungers in impotent rage while the Borg watch them in faint befuddlement from the upper balconies.

Man, the Borg would own those pansy Daleks. Ever seen the inside of one of those Cubes? There's thousands of stairs. And tiny little corridors that only two Borg can walk through abreast at any time. The Daleks would run up against the first step and get jammed into a huge gridlock on the lowest level of the Cube, shouting angrily "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE" and waving their plungers in impotent rage while the Borg watch them in faint befuddlement from the upper balconies.The daleks would boogie those borg to death!!! :eek: They have advanced boogie tech!

The daleks would boogie those borg to death!!! :eek: They have advanced boogie tech!

The Borg'll do it better! Seven of Nine can sing like a canary because the Borg have assimilated the technical knowledge for all of them to be able to do it, so you can bet yer boots they can bust-a-move better than a young John Travolta doing the Mbende with Angelina Jolie. The Daleks would be all "LOOK AT OUR FLASHING LIGHTS! THEY'RE VERY DISCO! PREPARE FOR EXTERMINATION" and the Borg would be all like "dudes, srsly. Just give it up."

Ok, like hi and all
I think we're all forgetting one critical component of the Dalek(s), which is, inside that tin shell they are weak organic life forms. The rule of thumb for all organic life is the need to consume energy in order to live. Unlike the Borg (which are basicly animated corpes) the Dalek, however rare, will consume flesh. I believe I saw one suck a human through it's "plunger" in one episode. Having stated that; the Borg nanites act like a virus, which may easly infect/ assemilate the tender Dalek inside. At that point the tide will change in Borg favore/ favoure.

Regular Borg or 29th century Borg?

Ok, like hi and all
I think we're all forgetting one critical component of the Dalek(s), which is, inside that tin shell they are weak organic life forms. The rule of thumb for all organic life is the need to consume energy in order to live. Unlike the Borg (which are basicly animated corpes) the Dalek, however rare, will consume flesh. I believe I saw one suck a human through it's "plunger" in one episode. Having stated that; the Borg nanites act like a virus, which may easly infect/ assemilate the tender Dalek inside. At that point the tide will change in Borg favore/ favoure.
actually, the borg are not walking corpses, but a melding of living tissue and cybernetics... just like the Daleks.

that's why Seven of Nine, Chakotay and Cptn Picard could break away from the collective and still live with... well in Picard and Chakotay's case, minimal to almost no borg cybernetics.

actually, the borg are not walking corpses, but a melding of living tissue and cybernetics... just like the Daleks.

that's why Seven of Nine, Chakotay and Cptn Picard could break away from the collective and still live with... well in Picard and Chakotay's case, minimal to almost no borg cybernetics.


Maybe I should underline basicly next time? The Borg do not eat, but instead recharge their "batteries." I don't know if you have ever seen a disected frog attached to electrodes, but the reaction is somewhat the same. Still I remember the crew of voyager having to re-teach 7of9 how to eat; if I remember right.

Maybe I should underline basicly next time? The Borg do not eat, but instead recharge their "batteries." I don't know if you have ever seen a disected frog attached to electrodes, but the reaction is somewhat the same. Still I remember the crew of voyager having to re-teach 7of9 how to eat; if I remember right.

but they are still "alive" and "aware" (as proven by all those cubes that eventually broke away from the collective) so they found an alternate to eating. Annika grew from a child to adult as a borg, so the living tissue still replicates and the borg 'grows'.

as you said, they need to consume energy. for normal living creatures, that's through the processing of organic material or food. for borg, it's a different matter.

First, let me say "whoops, my bad that should be spelled 'basically.'''

Second, I don't want to start a whole war on this.

Third, Basically-1.In a basic way; fundamentally or essentially: Throughout the ordeal, he remained basically the same.
2. For the most part; chiefly: They basically do what they are supposed to.

Fourth, My statement about the Borg "basically" being animated corpes pretained to the fact that they are cold to the touch, unblinking, rigid in movement, and tend to be on gray side of skin tone.

We clear now?

First, let me say "whoops, my bad that should be spelled 'basically.'''

Second, I don't want to start a whole war on this.

Third, Basically-1.In a basic way; fundamentally or essentially: Throughout the ordeal, he remained basically the same.
2. For the most part; chiefly: They basically do what they are supposed to.

Fourth, My statement about the Borg "basically" being animated corpes pretained to the fact that they are cold to the touch, unblinking, rigid in movement, and tend to be on gray side of skin tone.

We clear now?

then the phrase you should've used was "Corpse-Like".
and yes, basically, they are corpse-like, but not animated corpses.

(oh and FYI, I'm not a stickler on spelling. ;)

and I don't consider this a war, but more of a side bar on the biological functioning of the borg.

after all, if they did 'eat', then it would also be logical that material not used has to be "evacuated" from the borg's body somehow...

a "little borg room?"

and if the Dalek does 'eat' (being sucked through the 'plunger' may not necessarily be eating) then that would mean that somewhere out there are little piles of... dalek pies...

TNG Borg would whoop Dalek ass.

Voyager Borg would get their asses kicked because Rick Berman and the Voyager writers nerfed the borg and made their series suck ass.

The Dalek Empire spanned several galaxies, and they have the ability to manipulate time on a level second only to the Time Lords. In other words, the Daleks would exterminate the Borg before they'd ever evolved past being slugs.

The Borg never evolved. It was started by a machine that began assimilating life, it grew, and assimilated. Etc. To become the Borg.

Also, the Borg have the ability to travel back in time as well.

Really, My vote goes to the Borg. Organized, effective, adaptive.

The Borg can travel in time very accurately. In first contact, they traveled to the day before warp was first tested. The thing to remember though, is that when they go back in time, they don't have any allies nearby and they have to choose a new queen, etc, which takes time. On the other hand the borg have the whole...not reacting when a bunch of people with holstered guns beam onto their ship, as long as they don't point them at anything. The daleks could have a whole army in there before the borg reacted.

The other thing to remember is that the Q continuum are afraid of the Borg. (Star Trek: Voyager. Q2.) It's possible that they're a lot more powerful than we know.

The Borg can travel in time very accurately. In first contact, they traveled to the day before warp was first tested. The thing to remember though, is that when they go back in time, they don't have any allies nearby and they have to choose a new queen, etc, which takes time. On the other hand the borg have the whole...not reacting when a bunch of people with holstered guns beam onto their ship, as long as they don't point them at anything. The daleks could have a whole army in there before the borg reacted.

The other thing to remember is that the Q continuum are afraid of the Borg. (Star Trek: Voyager. Q2.) It's possible that they're a lot more powerful than we know.

Don't trust any crap that is in Voyager. I think Voyager shouldn't count as cannon (neither should Enterprise FWIW). Q could snap his fingers and all of the Borg would disappear.

Thats an amusing thought: Q vs. Dalek
Even better if realities bend, shift, or warp to where Borg vs. Dalek it is comforting to know all Q has to do is snap his fingers to un-twine universes.

Thats an amusing thought: Q vs. Dalek
Even better if realities bend, shift, or warp to where Borg vs. Dalek it is comforting to know all Q has to do is snap his fingers to un-twine universes.

Considering he got the boot for a while after making the Borg aware of the rest of the universe (amongst a laundry list of offenses) he'd be a lot more cautious about meddling.

it all depends on whether or not the borg can get the dalek technology. If they discover a broken dalek, they maybe able to reverse engineer the technology to serve the collective. IF they do they will over power the Daleks because they can transmit the information through out the hive, and start producing new ships much faster.

Daleks win in terms of shear firepower, the borg win in terms of general knowledge, as well as technology, in key ares.

The Borg also win in terms of numbers, daleks are pretty much gone in terms of numbers.

In terms of battle experence, I'd say they're even; the daleks have been around longer, but seem to lack forward planing, and have only really fought the Timelords. The Borg have the battle knowledge of thousands of races, as well as their technology.

But like I said, it really depends on whether or not the borg can assimilate knowledge from the daleks, and/or adapt to their weapons; if they can, then they will win, because they would have shear numbers behind them.

And, although not shown in Star Trek, I'm sure that the Borg Queen's ship and a few others have temporal shielding to protect from time line shifts (if not all borg vessels)

Daleks are nothing without the scary music. Nothing at all.

Proof:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=hOe-6j8s-L0&feature=related
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=68R1tMwAVgU&feature=related

So... all hail our new Borg overlords !

Borgs are cheap knockoffs of Cybermen.
Dalek wipe floors with Cybermen.
Therefore Daleks win.

Do Borg Cubes have stairs? If so the Daleks are screwed.

The Daleks will assimilate the knowledge and technology regarding transporter devices. Voila.

The Daleks will assimilate the knowledge and technology regarding transporter devices. Voila.

... so Daleks also assimilate tech? then it's settled.

Daleks are the Borg version .001

it all depends on whether or not the borg can get the dalek technology. If they discover a broken dalek, they maybe able to reverse engineer the technology to serve the collective. IF they do they will over power the Daleks because they can transmit the information through out the hive, and start producing new ships much faster.
I doubt the borg could assimilate a dalek - or even understand and integrate their technology if they found a broken one. There is a big difference between assimilating other species tech at roughly equivalent levels and assimilating tech that is a few hundred thousand years more advanced.

Daleks win in terms of shear firepower, the borg win in terms of general knowledge, as well as technology, in key ares. How do you figure? Daleks are supremely powerful and are far beyond the knowledge of the borg in any conceivable way. Even the daleks from the early 80s are far beyond the borg - the time war era daleks are so far beyond the borg that the comparison is silly (not that it isnt silly to begin with).

The Borg also win in terms of numbers, daleks are pretty much gone in terms of numbers. The Dalek empire spans galaxies (pre time war of course)... so how do you figure? If youre talking post time-war they are practically extinct already so there is nothing to compare - like arguing over which is faster, a stegosaurus or a rhino - there arent any living stegosauruses so you have to assume taking one from before their extinction.

In terms of battle experence, I'd say they're even; the daleks have been around longer, but seem to lack forward planing, and have only really fought the Timelords. The Borg have the battle knowledge of thousands of races, as well as their technology. Again, Daleks have fought countless races across many galaxies and (if you take the new ones) even throughout time itself.

Their plans span centuries and encompass the entire universe - with the occasional problem of meeting another highly logical race and ending up with millions of battleships just sitting there doing nothing because there wasnt a perfectly logical first attack. But they tracked down Davros (their creator) to teach them to how to break that deadlock anyway.

But like I said, it really depends on whether or not the borg can assimilate knowledge from the daleks, and/or adapt to their weapons; if they can, then they will win, because they would have shear numbers behind them. Borg 'adaptation' is adjusting a force field to shield them from an energy blast - the Daleks are far beyond a standard issue phaser. And again, unless you take Daleks at a point of being practically extinct, Daleks have many orders of magnitude greater numbers.

And, although not shown in Star Trek, I'm sure that the Borg Queen's ship and a few others have temporal shielding to protect from time line shifts (if not all borg vessels)Borg level understanding of time travel is comparably infantile. Even if the Daleks wouldnt simply destroy the borg at their beginning (possibly too much damage to the universe - they want to kill all life in the universe, not destroy the universe altogether) the borg are but little insects of no consequence.

The Daleks have developed technology far in advance of anything in the star trek universe (to the extent that it isnt a fair comparison), exterminated countless species, and have conquered whole galaxies (which the borg cant seem to manage even a small portion of their home quadrant).

Its really like comparing a trireme (the best of its day) against a modern aircraft carrier.

I really dont understand why... Dr. Who is the longest running sci-fi series in existence, why do people always overlook it in these debates?


Easy. No reruns. I haven't watched a single episode yet. Star Trek on the other hand...

I doubt the borg could assimilate a dalek - or even understand and integrate their technology if they found a broken one. There is a big difference between assimilating other species tech at roughly equivalent levels and assimilating tech that is a few hundred thousand years more advanced.

If you'd ever watched ST people deal with a highly superior technology, you'd know that's wrong. Basically, they need to scan any tiny item of said technology, then do something incredibly powerful like apply a recursive algorithm, and they will understand all of it.

I doubt the borg could assimilate a dalek - or even understand and integrate their technology if they found a broken one. There is a big difference between assimilating other species tech at roughly equivalent levels and assimilating tech that is a few hundred thousand years more advanced.
We don't really know how advanced the Daleks are; I mean, they may have fought a time war, but so the federation, at least they will, in the 29th century.

There is also no evidence that the borg have NOT assimilated non-humanoid species, they may just not use them as drones, but for some other task. And, in one episode of Voyager, the nanoprobes have been shown to have the ability to assimilate 29th century technology.

How do you figure? Daleks are supremely powerful and are far beyond the knowledge of the borg in any conceivable way. Even the daleks from the early 80s are far beyond the borg - the time war era daleks are so far beyond the borg that the comparison is silly (not that it isnt silly to begin with).


The Daleks are powerful, but nothing more then simple solders for the most part, where as the borg have the complied knowledge of thousands of battles, including ones they haven't fought, and the tactics and strategies used in those battles.


The Dalek empire spans galaxies (pre time war of course)... so how do you figure? If youre talking post time-war they are practically extinct already so there is nothing to compare - like arguing over which is faster, a stegosaurus or a rhino - there arent any living stegosauruses so you have to assume taking one from before their extinction.

But we're not talking about the dalek Empire, we're talking about the daleks shown in the show.

We also have no idea how big the borg are ether; perhaps the borg in the show are only the part of the borg collective currently in the Milky way; for all we know, the Borg Collective could span several galaxies and several places like the so called 'fluidic' space too.

I'm not trying to make excuses, but in Doctor Who, the doctor is often providing much of the information about the Darleks; in Star Trek, we only get what we see.

Their plans span centuries and encompass the entire universe - with the occasional problem of meeting another highly logical race and ending up with millions of battleships just sitting there doing nothing because there wasnt a perfectly logical first attack. But they tracked down Davros (their creator) to teach them to how to break that deadlock anyway.

Yes, but the average Dalek isn't going to have access to that knowledge, they don't exist in a hive mind like the borg do.

Borg 'adaptation' is adjusting a force field to shield them from an energy blast - the Daleks are far beyond a standard issue phaser. And again, unless you take Daleks at a point of being practically extinct, Daleks have many orders of magnitude greater numbers.

Yet the Doctor seems to be more then able to defeat the Darleks with a sonic screwdriver.

And yes, I'm taking them in the general context of the show; nearly gone, like the Timelords.

Borg level understanding of time travel is comparably infantile. Even if the Daleks wouldnt simply destroy the borg at their beginning (possibly too much damage to the universe - they want to kill all life in the universe, not destroy the universe altogether) the borg are but little insects of no consequence.

Somehow, I don't think they can. Ether the Timelords, nor the Daleks have shown any precise control over the flow of time, and when (or indeed where) they end up. Haven't you ever wondered why the timelords or Dalek's haven't simply restored the original timeline? I mean, the Federation did that in contact.

The Daleks have developed technology far in advance of anything in the star trek universe (to the extent that it isnt a fair comparison), exterminated countless species, and have conquered whole galaxies (which the borg cant seem to manage even a small portion of their home quadrant).

Its really like comparing a trireme (the best of its day) against a modern aircraft carrier.

Perhaps

So like, somebody said to me "what about the xenomorphs?" and this led me into a horrifying mental world where the Borg had assimilated the Aliens and made one of them their Queen.

That's the scariest thought ever. :(

Yet the Doctor seems to be more then able to defeat the Darleks with a sonic screwdriver.

Sort of the same way Enterprise is always able to manage to disable or destroy a cube all by itself despite the fact that whenever the rest of the fleet encounters cubes they always get totally wiped out.



Somehow, I don't think they can. Ether the Timelords, nor the Daleks have shown any precise control over the flow of time, and when (or indeed where) they end up. Haven't you ever wondered why the timelords or Dalek's haven't simply restored the original timeline? I mean, the Federation did that in contact.

Huh? How can you say Timelords dont have precise control over where they go? They can and do go anytime/anywhere at will and do so in every episode. They dont close thier eyes and pull a lever and wonder where and when they will turn up. In addition, the Daleks fled to the end of time and space to escape extinction. Sounds like a race that has control over where to go in time and space to me.

So like, somebody said to me "what about the xenomorphs?" and this led me into a horrifying mental world where the Borg had assimilated the Aliens and made one of them their Queen.

That's the scariest thought ever. :(

Nah scariest thought ever would be if the Borg assimilated Mormons. Imagine THAT knocking on your door Sat morning at 9am asking you if you know the story of Borg Jesus.

Q could snap his fingers and all of the Borg would disappear.

In the very first episode Borg's appear (Wikipedia sez it's ST:TNG "Q Who?") IIRC it is - rather offhandedly - implied this is not the case in a dialogue between Picard and Q.

Though I could be mistaken as I've seen the episode perhaps twice and the last time was years ago.

Nah scariest thought ever would be if the Borg assimilated Mormons. Imagine THAT knocking on your door Sat morning at 9am asking you if you know the story of Borg Jesus.

What if it was a Mormon Xenomorph with Borg cybernetic implants?

What if it was a Mormon Xenomorph with Borg cybernetic implants?

Wouldn't be much of a Tabernacle Choir. All they'd do is hiss and drool in unison.

Here's my thought:

Firstly, we know that the Borg have their own specially adaptive shields which will help in fending off the Daleks, and while their nanoprobes would be useless against the Daleks in general, they would help to assimilate the technology of fallen Daleks. Here is what I think will happen.

Phase 1:
Borg meet Daleks. Daleks immediately attack the Borg. The first few battles are viscious and tens of thousands of borg are mercilessly annialated. However, after about a week, Finally someone will gets the shield variance right. Suddenly the Borg have an advantage.
Phase 2:
The Borg win a single small battle against Daleks, but afterwards they lose more battles as the Daleks adjust their weapons. However, the one battle is all the borg need. Using their Nanoprobes they assimilate the more powerful shields and weapons that the Daleks have developed, and once again adjust their shields. With the new weapons, they go on to win victory after victory against the now overpowered Daleks.
Phase 3:
Due to overwhelming numbers, this powerful push by the borg only makes a scratch in the Daleks numbers before their guns adapt again, but even though they can now hit the borg, they are only temporarily on equal terms as far as weaponry and the borgs tactical advantages allow them to win still more battles until finally they adjust once again.
Phase 4:
After 20 years of constant overwhelming conflict, the borg have laid waste to 1000 Daleks for every borg lost, but the fact is that there are alot more Daleks then there are Borg. However, just when all hope seems lost, The Doctor shows up, seeing a chance to take them down once and for all and save the universe at long last. The doctor sabotages them some how, allowing the Borg the opportunity for one final and very powerful push. In this battle, the borg send all of their remaining cubes(About 500 of them) against the Daleks and it's a horrifying slaughter of epic proportions. The Borg have adjusted their shields yet again, and they attack and a different point for each Borg cube all at once, taking advantage of the Daleks helplessness in this situation. As a result of the Doctor's efforts, the Daleks are unable to adjust their weapons properly and the Borg continue wholesale obliteration of the Daleks.
Phase 5:
The Daleks flee. The Borg, satisfied that they have become far superior withdraw to their own space where they use their newly acquired technology to assimilate more races then ever before.

This in my humble opinion is the most likely result.

Wouldn't be much of a Tabernacle Choir. All they'd do is hiss and drool in unison.

If people can burp to Beethoven, Mormon Xenomorph Borg hybrids can certainly carry a tune or two.

However, given a Xenomorphs tendency to find entry where it shouldn't, a Mormon's inherent persistence to convert and the Borg's adaptivity if ever such a hybrid were to come around, I doubt the standard homeowner's response to intrusive preaching will yield any success at all.