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Simple question, I have been reading comics recently, just Green Lantern from DC and Moon Knight from Marvel..Which leads me to this question for people who read both marvel and DC.. Who makes better comics overall?

Without question, Marvel.

Without question, Marvel.

Why? Any reason?

Why? Any reason?

I could name lots of reasons, but that would take hours, so I'll give you just one: Spider-Man.

I could name lots of reasons, but that would take hours, so I'll give you just one: Spider-Man.

Does marvel have better stories, drawing or what? Give me some reasons. And Batman pwns all. Just awesome.

i assume your familiar with the DC vs Marvel spoofs on Youtube? Ill post a few classics if you havnt.

i assume your familiar with the DC vs Marvel spoofs on Youtube? Ill post a few classics if you havnt.


Not at all.

Does marvel have better stories, drawing or what? Give me some reasons. And Batman pwns all. Just awesome.

I don't know if this has ever happened (I don't read many comics), but I'm wondering what would happen if Batman ever had to face Spiderman? Both are extremely intelligent (from what I've seen), but Spiderman has spider sense, wall crawling, web slinging, and super strength to go along with that.

Marvel, by far.

i get slightly tired with the overpowered supers of DC, they just don't have any real character, nor are they as easy or fun to relate to. every now and then you have a real plot or storyline, but when it comes down to it...there's no real relation with you as a reader.

Marvel's comics are genius, one real reason being the fact that their just as vulnerable to issues as we are. the heroes of DC are perfect demi-gods that are always lonely...
since i was a kid, i've read the xmen and spiderman comics, and since i was a kid, i've always loved them. the characters aren't perfect, and are many times weaker or less powerful than their opponents, yet still manage to win be it through friendship, teamwork, or just pure intellect. all the comic characters have their own problems they go through, proving they aren't perfect, and making it that much more easier to idolize the way they get through them and still save the world. spiderman is always being bashed by the local newspaper, he's not respected for saving all these people, and is labeled a criminal, but he still...rocks.
and even the bad guys in marvel are more...full. they have so much more character, background, malice, and are over all some of the best villains you can have. intelligent, crazy, super-powered baddies that don't ever die!

yes, DC comics are good...ish. but marvel comics have so much more depth and overall amazing-ness, that i wonder how anyone could choose superman over the latter.

Marvel, by far.

i get slightly tired with the overpowered supers of DC, they just don't have any real character, nor are they as easy or fun to relate to. every now and then you have a real plot or storyline, but when it comes down to it...there's no real relation with you as a reader.

Marvel's comics are genius, one real reason being the fact that their just as vulnerable to issues as we are. the heroes of DC are perfect demi-gods that are always lonely...
since i was a kid, i've read the xmen and spiderman comics, and since i was a kid, i've always loved them. the characters aren't perfect, and are many times weaker or less powerful than their opponents, yet still manage to win be it through friendship, teamwork, or just pure intellect. all the comic characters have their own problems they go through, proving they aren't perfect, and making it that much more easier to idolize the way they get through them and still save the world. spiderman is always being bashed by the local newspaper, he's not respected for saving all these people, and is labeled a criminal, but he still...rocks.
and even the bad guys in marvel are more...full. they have so much more character, background, malice, and are over all some of the best villains you can have. intelligent, crazy, super-powered baddies that don't ever die!

yes, DC comics are good...ish. but marvel comics have so much more depth and overall amazing-ness, that i wonder how anyone could choose superman over the latter.



Batman is not overpowered and has ton of issues as well, he is just normal who had is life torn apart by a killer. There is amazing depth there, and some of his villians are just normal people driven crazy..Joker is the best.

Not at all.

Well then your in for a treat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c&feature=related These are the first two of literally dozens of brilliant masterpieces. You can figure out whats next in the series by searching the names of the creaters etc. Funniest and cleverest stuff on Youtube that youll ever see.

Batman is not overpowered and has ton of issues as well, he is just normal who had is life torn apart by a killer. There is amazing depth there, and some of his villians are just normal people driven crazy..Joker is the best.

yes, batman is one of my favorite characters too, but wouldn't be near as amazing today if it weren't for Bruce Lee who practically rewrote his entire being. of all the DC comics, he may be the only one i like, but i've never taken the time to read many others.

for those of you going to Youtube, here's one of my favorite DC vs. Marvel videos: look up i'm a marvel to find some, or go to:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds

i would suggest going to somerandomguys home page and watching them from the beginning.

Well then your in for a treat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c&feature=related These are the first two of literally dozens of brilliant masterpieces. You can figure out whats next in the series by searching the names of the creaters etc. Funniest and cleverest stuff on Youtube that youll ever see.

i would highly suggest watching those above, they truly are the funniest videos i've seen on youtube.

i posted a message that is still being approved, and did not see that the link i sent is the same as yours above, so anyone who sees it later on, know it is the same place as this.

Well then your in for a treat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av6fWfmugds&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvFjo5TTY6c&feature=related These are the first two of literally dozens of brilliant masterpieces. You can figure out whats next in the series by searching the names of the creaters etc. Funniest and cleverest stuff on Youtube that youll ever see.

Some where ok, Is it just me or is the guy biased towards Marvel?

Some where ok, Is it just me or is the guy biased towards Marvel?

heh, who isn't?

most people are biased toward marvel simply because it's better. ;)

heh, who isn't?

most people are biased toward marvel simply because it's better. ;)

To you.

I like X-Men from Marvel and Batman from DC.

I like X-Men from Marvel and Batman from DC.

the why did you say both suck?

I like Marvel more. The Avengers, Thor, Nova, Captain America, The Hulk, etc.
DC is still cool, with Green Arrow and Superman, but Marvel is more interesting-with comic arcs such as Civil War, World War Hulk, and Annihilation, Marvel takes the cake.

To you.

oh yes, and we could go on with this simplistic debate on opinions for as long as you like, but in the end the fact remains. most people do like marvel better, that is those who have ever been fortunate enough to pick up a comic book, and for reasons such as i have mentioned.

this is not to start an argument, so don't take it so, i'm merely stating the opinionated facts of my choosing because i feel rather cynical today.

in all reality though, i do like batman, i like his brooding intelligence and his ever present utility belt. i like his car. but i don't really want to argue about things right now, for fear of being extremely rude out of observable rationality.

oh yes, and we could go on with this simplistic debate on opinions for as long as you like, but in the end the fact remains. most people do like marvel better, that is those who have ever been fortunate enough to pick up a comic book, and for reasons such as i have mentioned.

this is not to start an argument, so don't take it so, i'm merely stating the opinionated facts of my choosing because i feel rather cynical today.

in all reality though, i do like batman, i like his brooding intelligence and his ever present utility belt. i like his car. but i don't really want to argue about things right now, for fear of being extremely rude out of observable rationality.

A simple fact, Not everybody agrees with you so why claim marvel is clearly better as a fact when some don't agree?

A simple fact, Not everybody agrees with you so why claim marvel is clearly better as a fact when some don't agree?

for many reasons, the main of which being: it is not so much that Marvel is better, as it is the majority of opinions say it is better. you following? that is why i said as an opinionated fact, for it is clearly opinion of others, and in itself: most others. it is not clearly better, it is said to be clearly better. if most say that marvel is better, then as an opinionated fact, it is. there are always those who will be the minority, who say the other is better by opinion, but that does not change the fact that by popular vote, something else is 'better'.

what i'm saying is that it isn't necessarily better, but is, by the majority, 'best'.

for many reasons, the main of which being: it is not so much that Marvel is better, as it is the majority of opinions say it is better. you following? that is why i said as an opinionated fact, for it is clearly opinion of others, and in itself: most others. it is not clearly better, it is said to be clearly better. if most say that marvel is better, then as an opinionated fact, it is. there are always those who will be the minority, who say the other is better by opinion, but that does not change the fact that by popular vote, something else is 'better'.

what i'm saying is that it isn't necessarily better, but is, by the majority, 'best'.

Sounds more like you are pulling comments out of your ass and claiming them fact and crapping on the views of others by claiming yours as the law of the land. Follow?

Sounds more like you are pulling comments out of your ass and claiming them fact and crapping on the views of others by claiming yours as the law of the land. Follow?

;) yeah i follow.

but is sounds to me like you can't really come up with a good comeback and are pulling shit-sayings out of your arse without fully trying to understand what i'm really saying.

let us go over the fact that i am giving my opinion under the basis of fact for my own amusement. you asked which was better and i gladly answered you with what i believed. now you can continue to crap things up and look like an idiot, or you can think about what you were asking in the first place. i know that you like DC, i also know that you like to argue with a stubbornness that i too bear, but right now you aren't doing anything in your favor, and by cussing at me are making me question if you're really worth debating with.

Batman is not overpowered and has ton of issues as well, he is just normal who had is life torn apart by a killer. There is amazing depth there, and some of his villians are just normal people driven crazy..Joker is the best.
Batman's depth is actually a relatively recent thing. While he does have a classic backstory, it wasn't until recently that any writer did anything with that.

Actually, if DC has any strength it is in their specials. The Batman one offs written by the likes of Frank Miller (who gave Batman a lot of its current darkness), Alan Moore's one offs, etc. The Vertigo line produces some of the best written comics around featuring 'adult' stories. For that, DC excels.

For monthly comics, over the span, Marvel's characters are just better. They're problemtized characters-as mentioned, Spiderman isn't able to gain even the respect of his aunt, and is poor. The X-Men have interpersonal problems on top of public prejudices, the Hulk is barely a hero. Even their cheesy heroes have that element to them, Ghost Rider's curse, ultimately, is that he has gotten what he wants out of the devil-his uncle didn't die of cancer, he dies in a motorcycle accident instead. He wants vengeance for that and is given the spirit of vengeance where he has to reap the consequences of vengeance, slowly surrendering control to it. Silver Surfer doesn't even like us, he's just stuck here. It goes on and on.

DC has over the years made their characters over to have more depth, but they've always been, as someone pointed out, demi-gods. I can't remember the writer, but there was even someone who assembled the Justice League to resemble a pantheon. Actually, if you compare how they deal with uber-powerful characters, Silver Surfer and Superman, you see the differences in their approaches (DCs epic style vs. Marvels 'kitchen sink' style). For a lot of people, this is just more accessible.

Batman's depth is actually a relatively recent thing. While he does have a classic backstory, it wasn't until recently that any writer did anything with that.

Actually, if DC has any strength it is in their specials. The Batman one offs written by the likes of Frank Miller (who gave Batman a lot of its current darkness), Alan Moore's one offs, etc. The Vertigo line produces some of the best written comics around featuring 'adult' stories. For that, DC excels.

For monthly comics, over the span, Marvel's characters are just better. They're problemtized characters-as mentioned, Spiderman isn't able to gain even the respect of his aunt, and is poor. The X-Men have interpersonal problems on top of public prejudices, the Hulk is barely a hero. Even their cheesy heroes have that element to them, Ghost Rider's curse, ultimately, is that he has gotten what he wants out of the devil-his uncle didn't die of cancer, he dies in a motorcycle accident instead. He wants vengeance for that and is given the spirit of vengeance where he has to reap the consequences of vengeance, slowly surrendering control to it. Silver Surfer doesn't even like us, he's just stuck here. It goes on and on.

DC has over the years made their characters over to have more depth, but they've always been, as someone pointed out, demi-gods. I can't remember the writer, but there was even someone who assembled the Justice League to resemble a pantheon. Actually, if you compare how they deal with uber-powerful characters, Silver Surfer and Superman, you see the differences in their approaches (DCs epic style vs. Marvels 'kitchen sink' style). For a lot of people, this is just more accessible.


Zehictor Heigar Huegan could learn a thing or two about proper posting from you.

A simple fact, Not everybody agrees with you so why claim marvel is clearly better as a fact when some don't agree?

Sounds more like you are pulling comments out of your ass and claiming them fact and crapping on the views of others by claiming yours as the law of the land. Follow?

:rolleyes:


How old are you? I guess not too old as you couldn't even use the term opinionated fact right. I suspect you are nothing more than a 14 year old troll looking for a fight..or a pupet of some sort. Talk to me again when you learn how to use proper english kid.

Dude, don't ask for peoples opinions if you don't want to hear them.

Dude, don't ask for peoples opinions if you don't want to hear them.

I asked for an opinion, not some fanboy passing his off as a fact. I am also allowed to state my own.

I asked for an opinion, not some fanboy passing his off as a fact. I am also allowed to state my own.

You asked a question about definitive preference of comic book lines on the internet and didn't expect fanboys and impassioned or sarcastic responses? C'mon now. It's about comic books. Lighten up.

You asked a question about definitive preference of comic book lines on the internet and didn't expect fanboys and impassioned or sarcastic responses? C'mon now. It's about comic books. Lighten up.


I have been at video game forums, I always expect fanboys. Doesn't mean I have to tolerate them. If you ever been to places like gamespot you would hate fanboys as well....Always passing thier views off as fact, first time here I have seen one try to use a big word he didn't understand to back it up.

:rolleyes:


How old are you? I guess not too old as you couldn't even use the term opinionated fact right. I suspect you are nothing more than a 14 year old troll looking for a fight..or a puppet of some sort. Talk to me again when you learn how to use proper english kid.

Opinionated facts are those which, obviously, are based largely on opinion. While a majority of people would agree on it, it is still an opinion and probably violated NPOV. It is best to use inline citations and several external links who agree with the statement, however its existence on Wikipedia is debatable - the topic is very well-known for this opinionated fact, however it is largely unverifiable. Editors usually conflict over them, but if it is said there, it must have references from both the official sites or archives and others to ensure neutrality. -wikipedia.

congratulations, you guessed my age! yes, i am 14, but most amusing to me is that you seem to bear less genial maturity than I, a troll.
here i am wondering what your age is, to treat others with such open disdain when they gave you their opinion simply because it clashed with your own.

Opinionated facts are those which, obviously, are based largely on opinion. While a majority of people would agree on it, it is still an opinion and probably violated NPOV. It is best to use inline citations and several external links who agree with the statement, however its existence on Wikipedia is debatable - the topic is very well-known for this opinionated fact, however it is largely unverifiable. Editors usually conflict over them, but if it is said there, it must have references from both the official sites or archives and others to ensure neutrality. -wikipedia.

congratulations, you guessed my age! yes, i am 14, but most amusing to me is that you seem to bear less genial maturity than I, a troll.
here i am wondering what your age is, to treat others with such open disdain when they gave you their opinion simply because it clashed with your own.



Congratulations you learned how to use wikipedia! You still don't understand it. Go away.


And I took you to task because you passed your view off as fact without any resources to back it up. I have obviously stated no choice in comic here.

You asked a question about definitive preference of comic book lines on the internet and didn't expect fanboys and impassioned or sarcastic responses? C'mon now. It's about comic books. Lighten up.

i really appreciate that man. thanks.

oh, and nightmare, remember that you'll most likely never meet me in person in your entire life and that it's a waste of yours to hate me. :)

but you know what's the coolest amigo? i didn't even know 'opinionated fact' was an offical phrase! shows how little i know when it comes to trying to explain that i do not think my opinion is fact, but that it is to most people.

Congratulations you learned how to use wikipedia! You still don't understand it. Go away.


And I took you to task because you passed your view off as fact without any resources to back it up. I have obviously stated no choice in comic here. Now shoo troll. :rolleyes:

ok, you want facts?

most people prefer Marvel comics over DC because it's aimed more at a younger audience. Marvel comics i started to read when i was 6 or 7, and since then, i've become accustomed to them. the difference with DC is that they are aimed more towards adult audiences, with fewer series that would be interesting to a young child. as an avid Marvel reader gets older, he/she will read the more mature comics by Marvel because of their previous attachment. another reason people like marvel, is because of the fun characters like Spider-man, the X-men, and other just entertaining heroes and villains that are easy to relate to. i've never really read any of the DC comics, simply because they bore no more interest to me than my idol Spider-man. yes, i've always like batman, and i've never like superman. yes these are not facts, but are accurate opinions. yes, i'm biased. my sarcastic comments though seem to have been taken to literally by you nightmare, and i really can't help not caring for such an idiot like you. i'm sorry we had to start off hating each other, but right now, i don't give a crap what you think. when the vote tolls up Marvel, i'll rest my case, but next time, don't flame on someone who had a different opinion and appreciates a sarcastic comment for the amusement of no one but himself. forgive me if my thoughts were not understood by you, but when did a troll's brain-patterns match with a prick's?

to hell with this argument.

ok, you want facts?

most people prefer Marvel comics over DC because it's aimed more at a younger audience. Marvel comics i started to read when i was 6 or 7, and since then, i've become accustomed to them. the difference with DC is that they are aimed more towards adult audiences, with fewer series that would be interesting to a young child. as an avid Marvel reader gets older, he/she will read the more mature comics by Marvel because of their previous attachment. another reason people like marvel, is because of the fun characters like Spider-man, the X-men, and other just entertaining heroes and villains that are easy to relate to. i've never really read any of the DC comics, simply because they bore no more interest to me than my idol Spider-man. yes, i've always like batman, and i've never like superman. yes these are not facts, but are accurate opinions. yes, i'm biased. my sarcastic comments though seem to have been taken to literally by you nightmare, and i really can't help not caring for such an idiot like you. i'm sorry we had to start off hating each other, but right now, i don't give a crap what you think. when the vote tolls up Marvel, i'll rest my case, but next time, don't flame on someone who had a different opinion and appreciates a sarcastic comment for the amusement of no one but himself. forgive me if my thoughts were not understood by you, but when did a troll's brain-patterns match with a prick's?

to hell with this argument.


WOW. Nice pointless rant you went on there. Do you even know what a fact is kid? By the looks of that pointless wall of text I would guess not. Once again those are all opinions shared by you, not one time have you backed that up with anything. And this poll is non-scientific and is just for amusement and is not to be taken as a fact.


Of course all I said was to you and you went on a anger juiced tirade on me and attempted to use big words you didn't understand to back your view up. But why explain the obvious to you? Did you know to use the word you did evidence is needed to back it up?


to hell with this argument. /discussion

WOW. Nice pointless rant you went on there. Do you even know what a fact is kid? By the looks of that pointless wall of text I would guess not. Once again those are all opinions shared by you, not one time have you backed that up with anything. And this poll is non-scientific and is just for amusement and is not to be taken as a fact.


Of course all I said was to you and you went on a anger juiced tirade on me and attempted to use big words you didn't understand to back your view up. But why explain the obvious to you? Did you know to use the word you did evidence is needed to back it up?


to hell with this argument. /discussion

oh now i'm deeply hurt.

what makes you think that i do not understand the words i'm using? that statement is unverifiable and needs to be backed by 'fact'. your opinion lacks 'fact' and thus proves you do not know what you're talking about! but then why try to explain this to you, oh self-righteous one? why are you trying to use the same argument again and again when i answer it again and again in this monotonous battle of endurance to make one look better to whom? people you don't even know? am i to conclude that i've hurt your pride? that a simple troll has some how hurt someone's poor feelings? oh well this is epic! so when i give my, as i clearly stated opinion, only to try and help you understand why i chose Marvel, i'm to understand that you didn't even process it? that you were so blinded by your injured dignity in my last few lines that you had to abandon all rational to make yourself feel better? well, i wonder if you will actually reply. i gave you my opinion mixed with small truths because you asked earlier why Marvel was better. i assumed that you had already taken some knowledge from 'Cannot think of a name' about Marvel that there would be no need to spend time researching 'fact' for you. instead i decided to give you the reason most people enjoy Marvel. did you store this in that brain of yours? no, because a troll said it. how amusing. did i not already say that i was doing this for my own amusement, stating opinion as fact because i had thought it would humor me. isn't that what your forum is for mr 'facts'. well, well, i broke my promise to end this conversation to try and help a poor misunderstood person understand my motives. how funny i should find it if you state the usual 'i don't understand the big words i use' rebuttal. oh, but then that would put an end to this argument since there will be nothing else to say. oh i pray that you hit a stroke of genius and give me a long list of insults that i can sort out when i wake up tomorrow.

merry christmas.

what makes you think that i do not understand the words i'm using?

Because you used it incorrectly.





your opinion lacks 'fact' and thus proves you do not know what you're talking about!

I never stated mine as fact, that was you.




but then why try to explain this to you, oh self-righteous one? why are you trying to use the same argument again and again when i answer it again and again in this monotonous battle of endurance to make one look better to whom?

Why do you keep responding the same way?




people you don't even know? am i to conclude that i've hurt your pride? that a simple troll has some how hurt someone's poor feelings?

You did neither.



oh well this is epic! so when i give my, as i clearly stated opinion, only to try and help you understand why i chose Marvel, i'm to understand that you didn't even process it?


I did, your first post was fine, trying to pass it off as fact is not.



that you were so blinded by your injured dignity in my last few lines that you had to abandon all rational to make yourself feel better?


Umm. Have you read what you just typed? My diginty is fine and you seem upset.



well, i wonder if you will actually reply.


Obviously I have.



i gave you my opinion mixed with small truths because you asked earlier why Marvel was better.


No, I asked which people here like better.



i assumed that you had already taken some knowledge from 'Cannot think of a name' about Marvel that there would be no need to spend time researching 'fact' for you.


He simply stated his view as his own, he didn't pass it off as a fact. I gave him proper respect for that.


instead i decided to give you the reason most people enjoy Marvel.

You gave me why you do, you never proved anybody shared your view. Hardly a fact.



did you store this in that brain of yours? no, because a troll said it.

Why are you so bent on that word? Did I hurt your feelings?


how amusing. did i not already say that i was doing this for my own amusement, stating opinion as fact because i had thought it would humor me.

After I called you out, and you flamed me which demanded a less than polite reply. You have still yet to admit you didn't use opinionated fact correct or proved majority agreed with you. Continue.


isn't that what your forum is for mr 'facts'. well, well, i broke my promise to end this conversation to try and help a poor misunderstood person understand my motives.

This is a debate site, people will question you here. You'll get used to it. And I understood you, I just didn't agree with you.




how funny i should find it if you state the usual 'i don't understand the big words i use' rebuttal.

I have not thus far.


oh, but then that would put an end to this argument since there will be nothing else to say.

Good. Did you let it all out?



oh i pray that you hit a stroke of genius and give me a long list of insults that i can sort out when i wake up tomorrow.

Not this time.

http://www.dreamnation.fsnet.co.uk/warriors2.jpg

2000AD ....

indies. although i almost don't. not regularly at any rate.
i'm not prejudice. i've seen some good ones.
(e.g. WaRP, at least a decade ago anyway.
and of course beautiful manga stuff out of nihon,
back in the 70s robert crumb's freek brothers was cool.)
but the d.c./marvel thing is total "meh".

=^^=
.../\...

Right now I mainly read Marvels Ultimate line, I went off the rest of their stuff (except Runaways and the new Thor) after Cap let the super villains win in the civil war arc. Actually, now that I think about it I read more indy/small press and web comics than Ultimate Marvel

Marvel does the better standard superhero fare, but DC does, from time to time, bring out darker, more substantial comics.

But both pale in comparison to Dark Horse and America's Best Comics (up until Moore left, that is. I cannot wait for LoG3).

I've read both.

both have qualities that make each company proud.

however, both have qualities that bring each company down.

however, I prefer Marvel over DC for the following reasons.

Never did like Superman. too Deus ex Machina for me. (the closest Marvel comes to a superman type character is the Guardian... and he's rarely seen.)

DC also has the Multiverse and heroes crossing back and forth... *is waiting for a Captain Carrot and Superman team up*

DC scrambles origins more frequently than Marvel.

Marvel changes their universe, they stick with it. House of M devistated the Mutant population and they're dealing with it. DC got rid of the Multiverse...

Marvel has better 'downtime' issues than DC. When was the last time you see the Justice League going shopping together, or playing baseball, or even the comic characters confronting the editor in cheif and demanding a vacation?

no Lords of Order or Chaos in Marvel.

and in the last contest between Marvel and DC... where the READERS VOTED on who would win each contest, Marvel won.

Aquaman defeats Namor the Sub-Mariner (DC)
Batman defeats Captain America (DC)
Elektra defeats Catwoman (Marvel)
FlashIII defeats Quicksilver (DC)
Robin III defeats Jubilee (DC)
Silver Surfer defeats Green Lantern (Marvel)
Spider-Man II (Ben Reilly) defeats Superboy [2] (Marvel)
Storm defeats Wonder Woman (Marvel)
Superman defeats Hulk (DC)
Thor defeats Captain Marvel (Marvel)
Wolverine defeats Lobo (Marvel)

Why comics? Am I right when I say that everyone on NSG is a nerd?

Why comics? Am I right when I say that everyone on NSG is a nerd?

Probably. ;)

I'd say, they both suck. People have already mentioned DC's uberness. Moving planets (Superman) is boring. Running at near light speed, and pulling a new speed trick out your ass every issue (Flash) gets old. OTOH, Marvel characters never seemed to change. Spider Man was a loser in the 60's and he was still a loser in 2000. Prof X has been in and out of his wheelchair more times than I can count. And most of Marvels characters have been dead at least once. I haven't read comics for a long time, but both companies were sucking badly when I quit reading.

DC. Classic characters and cornering the market on all the writers. Marvel hasn't introduced a decent character since Stan Lee retired from that aspect of the business, and hasn't had a decent writer since Frank Miller left Daredevil after turning the character into a Batman clone.

I like AC-DC! :p

Okay, I might not be right on my facts - but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I like Marvel way better because of the human approach to the characters like others mentioned and also because of the way they introduce the phenomenon of superpowered beings. Sure, there are plenty of major characters like the Hulk, Spiderman, etc. in Marvel that 'accidentally' acquired their powers, but the Marvel universe really operates on the idea that homo sapiens are gradually evolving into homo sapiens superior. DC's concept of 'metahumans' has a much more minor place in the DC Universe.

I just find the way Marvel approaches its own universe is superior to the way DC approaches its.

But, I'm still trying to decide who's sexier: Spiderman or Batman :P

Probably. ;)

I'd say, they both suck. People have already mentioned DC's uberness. Moving planets (Superman) is boring. Running at near light speed, and pulling a new speed trick out your ass every issue (Flash) gets old. OTOH, Marvel characters never seemed to change. Spider Man was a loser in the 60's and he was still a loser in 2000. Prof X has been in and out of his wheelchair more times than I can count. And most of Marvels characters have been dead at least once. I haven't read comics for a long time, but both companies were sucking badly when I quit reading.

not really (concerning the deaths). but they (both comics Co.) do have a nasty habit of killing their characters, only to bring them back.

Some where ok, Is it just me or is the guy biased towards Marvel?

Well, face it, Marvel is sorta in the Zone at the moment. Sure F4 wasn't a great pair of movies, but they did pretty well. And the Animated Releases are doing well. DC isn't faring so well under WB's cheap outsourced animation. I loved the first couple of seasons of WB's Batman the Animated series back in the 90's, but once they came out with Supes and shipped the whole franchise to Japan it got cheesey and sucky.

And Superman Returns had some pretty mixed reviews, and even I thought that Lois was done a great disservice. And the inter-studio juggling of licenses has been a real anchor on the DC franchise.

I am not sure who I like better...But I do find DC stories hard to follow.

Well, face it, Marvel is sorta in the Zone at the moment. Sure F4 wasn't a great pair of movies, but they did pretty well. And the Animated Releases are doing well. DC isn't faring so well under WB's cheap outsourced animation. I loved the first couple of seasons of WB's Batman the Animated series back in the 90's, but once they came out with Supes and shipped the whole franchise to Japan it got cheesey and sucky.

And Superman Returns had some pretty mixed reviews, and even I thought that Lois was done a great disservice. And the inter-studio juggling of licenses has been a real anchor on the DC franchise.


In all fairness, Batman movies are great and Justice League Unlimited was good to.

The best thing from DC is Vertigo Comics, mainly because of Hellblazer and V for Vendetta. Alan Moore is one of the best comic writers too. Now I'm not up to date about the recent comics either of them are releasing.

Marvel. I mostly read Marvel because I like them better. I think there heroes/villians are less generic per se. More inventive in powers, etc. I think there better developed all around. They seem more like real people. Deeper more intricate plots add to the mix. I also think they have better animation. I just like 'em more.

most people prefer Marvel comics over DC because it's aimed more at a younger audience.

I always thought they were aimed at older audiences. I actually just picked up a few Marvel Zombies today. They are more violent,and have more adult problems. For example Spider-Man has to deal with a tight budget, and his wife/girlfriend. I really don't see how a 6/7 year old would understand that on a level that, Marvel dishes it out. Another thing with Marvel is that the bad guy "wins", or at least "wins" more often than in DC. Winning in the sense of not a direct victory but winning mentaly and in the occasional big time it. It was kind of a slap in the face to the whole Marvel Universe, and there readers, when Cap died.(Especially for cap fans like myself) I think Marvel is darker and just more mature in general.

Besides Batman DC is mostly crappy

In all fairness, Batman movies are great and Justice League Unlimited was good to.

The two that Tim Burton did were good, 15 years ago. The two after that were crap. Batman Begins was pretty good, but it implicitly concedes that after the last two they pretty much had to start over.

But in terms of output, Marvel really is ahead right now. I'm not saying I like them better, after all, Lightspeed sucked and was just a Flash ripoff. But Superman isn't having justice done to him, and in Spiderman is looking pretty impressive in his last few movies (thought I didn't really care for the last one.)

The two that Tim Burton did were good, 15 years ago. The two after that were crap. Batman Begins was pretty good, but it implicitly concedes that after the last two they pretty much had to start over.

But in terms of output, Marvel really is ahead right now. I'm not saying I like them better, after all, Lightspeed sucked and was just a Flash ripoff. But Superman isn't having justice done to him, and in Spiderman is looking pretty impressive in his last few movies (thought I didn't really care for the last one.)

I don't get why so many hate Batman Forever, I liked it. I would pick Val Kilmer over Michael Keaton anyday.. Batman and robin was a crime.

Marvel. I do, however, like the Vertigo comics. And Batman.

Grimjack, Badger and John Sable: Freelance were not products of either, but of First Comics. They were vastly superior to the Marvel and DC trivia.

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Anybody read the comic moon knight? I am still trying to get used to the story and what he is. I also haven't read or watched anything on the hulk, so what is the point of him anyway?

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Anybody read the comic moon knight? I am still trying to get used to the story and what he is. I also haven't read or watched anything on the hulk, so what is the point of him anyway?


HULK SMASH! The Hulk is the STRONGEST there is (not really, lol).

Hulk comics have a lot of phychological/sociological stuff in them 'cause a lot of times large portions of the comic are devoted to what the hulk is thinking. And lots of smashing!

I want to read the Planet Hulk story arc, and the World War Hulk story arc. I've heard that they are pretty good.

Thor can pwn Hulk, though.

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Anybody read the comic moon knight? I am still trying to get used to the story and what he is. I also haven't read or watched anything on the hulk, so what is the point of him anyway?

Moon Knight is awesome. He is the tool of the God of Vengeance. He gathers is powers from the moon. At one point living so many lives actually manifest as multiple personality disorder. Bigger fans will correct my mistakes.

The Hulk is the manifestation of rage. He's the ultimate puberty story, really. There are costs to a 'superhuman' society, and The Hulk underlines that. While Hulk can do good, the cost of that good is never worth it. Unfocused rage, directing the fire hose at the problem, has consequences.

This is when Marvel is at its best and when it makes DC look two dimensional by comparison-when defining the Marvel character you ask what their issues are, not what their powers are. Spiderman could be Groundhog Man it wouldn't really take away from the character that he is. His popularity isn't that he can do what a spider can, but what Peter Parker goes through to be a super hero. (and because he talks shit when he fights, something lacking in the movies...)