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California sues Bush over pollution law rejection
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/21/2124825.htm?section=justin

It's ironic, California is run by a Republican but then it's Arnie's state!

California sues Bush over pollution law rejection
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/21/2124825.htm?section=justin

It's ironic, California is run by a Republican but then it's Arnie's state!

It has a Republican governor, but California is far from being a Republican state. Both of its senators are Democrats, as are many of its Representatives. One of these Representatives is Nancy Pelosi, who is the Speaker of the House.
Still, it is funny California is suing. If that doesn't work, maybe the Governor can persuade the President...personally.

sounds like its time for a civil war over the planet Earth!

California sues Bush over pollution law rejection
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/21/2124825.htm?section=justin

It's ironic, California is run by a Republican but then it's Arnie's state!

Arnold is actually turning out to be better than I expected. I'm surprised but happy about the development.

Arnie vs. Bush - can't wait for the movie!

Arnie vs. Bush - can't wait for the movie!

Trust me, Bush will be one of those guys that Arnie's character just runs over, he won't even have any lines.

Arnold is actually turning out to be better than I expected. I'm surprised but happy about the development.

Seconded! I remember all the jokes about him being elected governor.

Boy did he turn out so much better than what most people initially assumed.

Then again, actors do make good politicians :P

I'm sure Arnie has some tools to persuade the EPA to let his laws through, like very large guns and rocket launchers.

Arnold is actually turning out to be better than I expected. I'm surprised but happy about the development.
Yep, he's turned a prosperous state into one with a whopping deficit. A deficit that's been created by revenue loss, rather than by excessive spending. Strange how both business and people seem to find California a less appealing place to be...

Yep, he's turned a prosperous state into one with a whopping deficit. A deficit that's been created by revenue loss, rather than by excessive spending. Strange how both business and people seem to find California a less appealing place to be...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why the citizens of California wanted Gray Davis out?

Wow that is crazy. Does California really think that it can legislate other states?

This reminds me of that move, "who killed the electric car?" where the Californian government put such strict environmental laws on electric cars that they scarred GM out of making them.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why the citizens of California wanted Gray Davis out?
From what I remember, that's true. Davis also had a problem buying power. So much so, that he might have been nicknamed "Brown-Out" Davis.

So is Arnold any better? I don't know. But I do know I would never move to California...

From what I remember, that's true. Davis also had a problem buying power. So much so, that he might have been nicknamed "Brown-Out" Davis.

That was pretty much it, along with the sagging economy caused by the dot-com bubble's demise in 2000-2002; that cost the state hundreds of thousands of tech jobs, and the stock market's collapse drained a lot of wealth from the state, leading to revenue shortfalls and a weaker overall economy. It's recovered pretty well by now, but the effects are still lingering.

Of course, Davis' own ineptitude when it came to electricity regulation also plays a role; I don't know how anyone could see deregulating the wholesale market but keeping the consumer level regulated at a sub-market price would ever turn out well under any economy theory...

So is Arnold any better? I don't know. But I do know I would never move to California...

I'd rather live in Washington any day. Not to mention I don't want to pay $800,000 for a house half the size that I'm living in now.

That was pretty much it, along with the sagging economy caused by the dot-com bubble's demise in 2000-2002; that cost the state hundreds of thousands of tech jobs, and the stock market's collapse drained a lot of wealth from the state, leading to revenue shortfalls and a weaker overall economy. It's recovered pretty well by now, but the effects are still lingering.

Of course, Davis' own ineptitude when it came to electricity regulation also plays a role; I don't know how anyone could see deregulating the wholesale market but keeping the consumer level regulated at a sub-market price would ever turn out well under any economy theory...



I'd rather live in Washington any day. Not to mention I don't want to pay $800,000 for a house half the size that I'm living in now.
I assume you're talking about D.C. I don't know how the people do it -- put up with the housing prices, that is. People, with jobs like I have, need to go to Fredricksburg and farther to find something affordable. I don't even think they can go North, because you start seeing effects from Baltimore.

Yep, he's turned a prosperous state into one with a whopping deficit. A deficit that's been created by revenue loss, rather than by excessive spending. Strange how both business and people seem to find California a less appealing place to be...

California's economy is not as bad as you'd like to make it. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm Most of the negative effects are left over from Davis and now they are starting to pull back up a bit. http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/131-us-states-renamed-for-countries-with-similar-gdps/

excerpt from SofS

Now, tomorrow, I will outline my budget, which is balanced and which fully funds education. Now, when I first became governor, we had an operating deficit of $16.5 billion. Our state was almost in bankruptcy. I said that through discipline and through new revenues that flow from economic growth, we would reduce the deficit over time.

Last year, we got it down to $4 billion. Tomorrow, I will propose a budget that will dramatically reduce this deficit even further.

Now here is the great thing. We have made this great progress without raising taxes. We have reduced the deficit, not by burdening the people and our businesses, but by encouraging economic growth. This year California has the highest revenues in its history, the highest revenues in its history and the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years. Ladies and gentlemen, the state of our state is strong.

We still have very difficult choices to make on the budget and other things, and I am eager to work with you on these choices. I am not asking you not to be Republicans or not to be Democrats or to give up your principles. I am asking you to be Californians and to work out a solution that is the best possible answer to the challenges that we face. As long as we recognize some progress toward our individual visions—whether it’s Republican or Democrat --this should allow us the freedom to reach a budget agreement and to move forward together.

I assume you're talking about D.C. I don't know how the people do it -- put up with the housing prices, that is. People, with jobs like I have, need to go to Fredricksburg and farther to find something affordable. I don't even think they can go North, because you start seeing effects from Baltimore.

Nah, I mean Washington state, which is one of the places I'd probably be working (although I could always end up in D.C., if I decide to be an accountant in the FBI or something like that); it has the proximity to California and the rest of the West without the high cost of living (not that it's cheap), pollution, terrible traffic and all the other things in California.

From what I remember, that's true. Davis also had a problem buying power. So much so, that he might have been nicknamed "Brown-Out" Davis.

So is Arnold any better? I don't know. But I do know I would never move to California...

Well, the people seem to like him better.

California sues Bush over pollution law rejection
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/21/2124825.htm?section=justin

It's ironic, California is run by a Republican but then it's Arnie's state!

More than just California. Massachusetts, New York, Arizona, Connecticut, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and Pennsylvania are too.

Nah, I mean Washington state, which is one of the places I'd probably be working (although I could always end up in D.C., if I decide to be an accountant in the FBI or something like that); it has the proximity to California and the rest of the West without the high cost of living (not that it's cheap), pollution, terrible traffic and all the other things in California.
Washington State is better... Still too many liberals, nowadays, though. The Californians started ruining the Seattle area about 1990, or so, by driving up the real-estate prices around the Peugot Sound (where we lived). Then, they started changing the politics from a "Scoop" Jackson style of Democrat to a "Mom in Tennis Shoes" like Patty Murray.

California's economy is not as bad as you'd like to make it. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm Most of the negative effects are left over from Davis and now they are starting to pull back up a bit. http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/131-us-states-renamed-for-countries-with-similar-gdps/

excerpt from SofS

Now, tomorrow, I will outline my budget, which is balanced and which fully funds education. Now, when I first became governor, we had an operating deficit of $16.5 billion. Our state was almost in bankruptcy. I said that through discipline and through new revenues that flow from economic growth, we would reduce the deficit over time.

Last year, we got it down to $4 billion. Tomorrow, I will propose a budget that will dramatically reduce this deficit even further.

Now here is the great thing. We have made this great progress without raising taxes. We have reduced the deficit, not by burdening the people and our businesses, but by encouraging economic growth. This year California has the highest revenues in its history, the highest revenues in its history and the lowest unemployment rate in 30 years. Ladies and gentlemen, the state of our state is strong.

We still have very difficult choices to make on the budget and other things, and I am eager to work with you on these choices. I am not asking you not to be Republicans or not to be Democrats or to give up your principles. I am asking you to be Californians and to work out a solution that is the best possible answer to the challenges that we face. As long as we recognize some progress toward our individual visions—whether it’s Republican or Democrat --this should allow us the freedom to reach a budget agreement and to move forward together.

:confused:

Who exactly are you?

:confused:

Who exactly are you?

A Californian, quite obviously

Arnold is actually turning out to be better than I expected. I'm surprised but happy about the development.

Didn't his change only come about in early 2006?

That was pretty much it, along with the sagging economy caused by the dot-com bubble's demise in 2000-2002; that cost the state hundreds of thousands of tech jobs, and the stock market's collapse drained a lot of wealth from the state, leading to revenue shortfalls and a weaker overall economy. It's recovered pretty well by now, but the effects are still lingering.

Of course, Davis' own ineptitude when it came to electricity regulation also plays a role; I don't know how anyone could see deregulating the wholesale market but keeping the consumer level regulated at a sub-market price would ever turn out well under any economy theory...


You are leaving out the fact Wilson unloaded all power production and the outright fraud by Texas on the "power shortages"

You are leaving out the fact Wilson unloaded all power production and the outright fraud by Texas on the "power shortages"

Along with the inaction of the federal power regulator.

You are leaving out the fact Wilson unloaded all power production and the outright fraud by Texas on the "power shortages"

Along with the inaction of the federal power regulator.
Yes, there's one born every minute. But Davis enacted a form of deregulation that was anything but. He forced power suppliers to buy power on the open market, while fixing the price that consumers paid. If you can't see that's worse than any amount of fraud, then, you deserve Davis.

Washington State is better... Still too many liberals, nowadays, though. The Californians started ruining the Seattle area about 1990, or so, by driving up the real-estate prices around the Peugot Sound (where we lived). Then, they started changing the politics from a "Scoop" Jackson style of Democrat to a "Mom in Tennis Shoes" like Patty Murray.

Ah! So the real reason property values went up was when you left.

Ah! So the real reason property values went up was when you left.

Sheer flattery... Even on my best day, I don't imagine that I'm that important.

Yes, there's one born every minute. But Davis enacted a form of deregulation that was anything but. He forced power suppliers to buy power on the open market, while fixing the price that consumers paid. If you can't see that's worse than any amount of fraud, then, you deserve Davis.

Yup you really don't know the history.

Yup you really don't know the history.

So tell me about the California deregulation. I'd like to hear the revised version.

So tell me about the California deregulation. I'd like to hear the revised version.

Ok. After you give me the Rush Limbaugh version of it first.

Wow that is crazy. Does California really think that it can legislate other states?

This reminds me of that move, "who killed the electric car?" where the Californian government put such strict environmental laws on electric cars that they scarred GM out of making them.

Ok?

California wants to use more stringent guidelines in California then what the epa has set. So how is that telling the other states what to do?

GM was never seriously going to start doing electronic cars. If GM was going to do that then why haven't they jumped all over the hybrids?

Many many Toyota Prius cars running around here.

Ok. After you give me the Rush Limbaugh version of it first.
Guess we're at an impasse. There's enough out there for the inquisitive to check for themselves.

You are leaving out the fact Wilson unloaded all power production and the outright fraud by Texas on the "power shortages"

True. Of course, it's also true that companies like Enron would not have been able to pull off a scheme like that if the electricity market had been functioning properly; as it was set up, it effectively gave the utilities and traders a way to bilk people out of huge sums of money and destroy any ties to market fundamentals. The system was so ripe for manipulation that it's outright frightening it was allowed to exist for as long as it did.

There's hope for Cali yet.

Nah, I mean Washington state, which is one of the places I'd probably be working (although I could always end up in D.C., if I decide to be an accountant in the FBI or something like that); it has the proximity to California and the rest of the West without the high cost of living (not that it's cheap), pollution, terrible traffic and all the other things in California.

If you need some help figuring things out for Washington state let me know. Can probably tell you everything you need to know. As for the housing prices they are going up but not at the crazy pace that California once was. Also traffic is bad everywhere including the Puget Sound area. Probably not as bad as metro LA or the Bay area.

There's hope for Cali yet.

There is? Where?

If you need some help figuring things out for Washington state let me know. Can probably tell you everything you need to know. As for the housing prices they are going up but not at the crazy pace that California once was. Also traffic is bad everywhere including the Puget Sound area. Probably not as bad as metro LA or the Bay area.

I'll definitely keep that in mind. Right now, this is pretty speculative, since as an entry-level accountant I'll be mainly focused on getting the year's experience I need to get my CPA license, but once that's done I'll definitely be looking for opportunities out there.

Trust me, Bush will be one of those guys that Arnie's character just runs over, he won't even have any lines.
But the visual comedy will be classic!
http://www.globalpov.com/images/bush-monkey.jpg
http://jcnot4me.com/images/Bush-monkey.gif
http://www.somebits.com/~nelson/weblog-files/bushSegway.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjaXqGrtyI
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/01/19/bush/BushPretzel.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/d/4/bush_dance_tabletop.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/in_pictures_enl_1177575071/img/1.jpg