NationStates Jolt Archive


Tonight, the borders between eastern and western Europe come down.

Ariddia
20-12-2007, 21:31
Well, not quite. And not entirely. But:


On Dec. 21, the border between Slovakia and Ukraine will become the new easterly limit of the EU's passport-free Schengen zone.

Slovakia and Austria on Thursday launched ceremonies to extend the European Union's passport-free Schengen zone to nine mainly ex-East bloc countries seeking to shed their communist pasts.

Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer and Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico cut down the frontier barrier between their two countries at the Berg/Petrzalka crossing point to start three days of commemorations for the landmark change.

The addition of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia to the Schengen Treaty zone will take the number of countries involved to 24 with a total population of 400 million.

The expansion from Friday will lift border controls between the former communist states of eastern Europe and their Western neighbours and bring down internal controls in a zone stretching from Spain to Estonia.

[...] Fico added: "From midnight tonight, you can travel 4,000 kilometres (2,500 miles) from Tallinn in Estonia to Lisbon in Portugal without any border controls."

"When people go to Bratislava in 20 to 30 years, they will ask where the border was here at all," said Austrian leader Gusenbauer.

[...] Britain and Ireland have not joined Schengen and new EU members Bulgaria and Romania are not yet allowed in.

The frontier change has not been without opposition in the existing members.

[...] The expansion has taken years of preparation, with newcomers obliged to join the Schengen Information System (SIS), which provides police and customs officers with information about people, vehicles or goods.

The 15 older signatories to the 1985 treaty were: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden.


(link (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/world/20071220-eu-border-slovakia-ukraine-eastern-outpost-schengen-zone.html))
Dododecapod
20-12-2007, 21:34
I'd call it a good thing. These nations have everything they need to become full, western, first-world states - this can only help them do that.
OceanDrive2
20-12-2007, 21:40
yay. congrats.
Vydro
20-12-2007, 21:46
The 15 older signatories to the 1985 treaty were: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden.

Since when was Norway in the EU? Or did I miss something?
Ariddia
20-12-2007, 21:52
Since when was Norway in the EU? Or did I miss something?

It isn't. However, it's part of the Schengen agreement.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/860/tbdju7.jpg
[NS]Click Stand
20-12-2007, 22:44
It isn't. However, it's part of the Schengen agreement.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/860/tbdju7.jpg

oooh, the Vatican is showing interest. How lovely.
Zaheran
20-12-2007, 23:07
Click Stand;13308846']oooh, the Vatican is showing interest. How lovely.

They must remind the world of that they exist sometimes. Otherwise we might forget about them, and that would be a terrible thing, wouldn't it? ;)
Lerkistan
20-12-2007, 23:12
Click Stand;13308846']oooh, the Vatican is showing interest. How lovely.

As if there were any control at the Vatican's border today %-)
The Blaatschapen
20-12-2007, 23:39
Yay, now if only they'd soften the visa requirements for students from non-Schengen countries like Turkey, Serbia, Russia then I'd be totally happy :) But it's good that they now only need to apply for 1 visa to see most of Europe :)
Cookesland
21-12-2007, 00:58
As if there were any control at the Vatican's border today %-)

well i dunno about you but i wouldn't go messing around with the Swiss guard
Corneliu 2
21-12-2007, 01:02
Congrats :)
Call to power
21-12-2007, 01:09
I hate those giant maps they always seem to show us up :(
G3N13
21-12-2007, 02:03
On Dec. 21, the border between Slovakia and Ukraine will become the new easterly limit of the EU's passport-free Schengen zone.

They really, really, should brush up on geography. :rolleyes:
CthulhuFhtagn
21-12-2007, 02:21
They really, really, should brush up on geography. :rolleyes:

Er, what?

Edit: Ah, Greece. Perhaps. I'm trying to find a map with longitude and latitude so I can make sure.

Edit 2: Yeah, by about 2.5 degrees. However, if you go by contiguousness, the Slovakia/Ukraine border is the easterly limit.
G3N13
21-12-2007, 02:38
Er, what?

Edit: Ah, Greece. Perhaps. I'm trying to find a map with longitude and latitude so I can make sure.

Actually, a quick googling would put the Eastern border of Schengen treaty to Kræmerpynten on Kvitøya 33° 31' 05'' E in Svalbard, Norway - Though that's ocean border and I'm not sure how Svalbard stands relative to the Schengen treaty. :-)

In continental Europe the location is 31° 35' 17 E in Ilomantsi, Finland with Kibergneset i Vardø municipality, Norway 31° 03' 52'' E coming close...Both bordering Russia. The former being the most eastern location of continental EU.


sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_treaty
http://www.ssb.no/en/yearbook/geography.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Finland

edit:
You can even drive a car from eg. Paris to Ilomantsi without ever having to step off it. :)

edit2:
For comparison 29°40′E is the most eastern point of Romania. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Romania)

edit3:
You're also forgetting borders between Poland-Ukraine, Lithuania-Belarus, Estonia-Russia and Latvia-Russia.
New new nebraska
21-12-2007, 03:22
Well in a way most countrues don't have border controls at everypoint. I mean honestly that would mean a border fence, There are plenty of places in the US where you can jus walk right through.
OceanDrive2
21-12-2007, 07:47
Well in a way most countrues don't have border controls at everypoint. I mean honestly that would mean a border fence, There are plenty of places in the US where you can jus walk right through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCwrdqGrxBU

:D
Alavamaa
21-12-2007, 08:27
In continental Europe the location is 31° 35' 17 E in Ilomantsi, Finland with Kibergneset i Vardø municipality, Norway 31° 03' 52'' E coming close...Both bordering Russia. The former being the most eastern location of continental EU.



Damn you Norwegians! *puistaa nyrkkiä*
They ensure you in Vardö (and Kirkenes) that the easternmost point of continental Europe (krhm..lets pretend Russia doesn't exist) is in Norway. But it's just a lie. ;(
Alavamaa
21-12-2007, 08:42
Though that's ocean border and I'm not sure how Svalbard stands relative to the Schengen treaty. :-)



The answer is in the first link. ...not covered by the agreement..