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On Bisexuality

Soviestan
20-12-2007, 20:58
I've heard from several people, both gay and straight that they sort of resent bisexuals. Reason being that at least gay and straight people can "pick one" or have standards. So do you resent bisexuals?
Ifreann
20-12-2007, 20:59
No, I'm above such generalisations :p
Dyakovo
20-12-2007, 21:00
I've heard from several people, both gay and straight that they sort of resent bisexuals. Reason being that at least gay and straight people can "pick one" or have standards. So do you resent bisexuals?

Nope, and saying that bisexuals don't have standards is ridiculous.
Longhaul
20-12-2007, 21:01
do you resent bisexuals?
Nope, can't say that I resent anyone based on their sexuality.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 21:01
I've heard from several people, both gay and straight that they sort of resent bisexuals. Reason being that at least gay and straight people can "pick one" or have standards. So do you resent bisexuals?

not really i mean one some guy from my school was openly gay, then went bisexual, he's alright a little wierd though. Well i guess their reasoning is they get "the best of both worlds". Try not to think to hard about that.
so no as long as they don't try to come on to me i'm happy.
JuNii
20-12-2007, 21:01
So do you resent bisexuals? no. no hatred or negative feelings for anyone's sexual orientation.
New Birds
20-12-2007, 21:03
I am bisexual. Took a while to get used to the idea that I was interested in girls as well, but I'm fine with it now.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 21:04
Unless "bisexuals" has recently been defined as "stupid people," then no. If it has been redefined as such, then yes.
New Birds
20-12-2007, 21:05
Unless "bisexuals" has recently been defined as "stupid people," then no. If it has been redefined as such, then yes.

The problem I've found with being a bisexual girl is that most people associate it with the vacuous girls who kiss other girls after a few drinks in attempts to attract guys.
Fassitude
20-12-2007, 21:06
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.
Kanami
20-12-2007, 21:07
I'm sure it all depends on the person
Planthia
20-12-2007, 21:09
I used to think they were trendy bastards, but then I realized that they might have homosexual feelings but not necessarily want to let go of their heterosexuality. It's narrow minded to be a sexual partisan.
Soviestan
20-12-2007, 21:11
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

Are you saying no one is truly bisexual?
Hydesland
20-12-2007, 21:12
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

Ohhh no he didn't!
Soviestan
20-12-2007, 21:13
Ohhh no he didn't!

I think he just did.
New Chalcedon
20-12-2007, 21:13
Bis are simply people who are attracted to features other than plumbing.

It figures that there'd be people who resent such a thing.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 21:15
The problem I've found with being a bisexual girl is that most people associate it with the vacuous girls who kiss other girls after a few drinks in attempts to attract guys.

The problem I've found with bisexuals is that there are bad apples among them - just like with any other group of people who has ever been stereotyped. Sure, there are plenty like that. Part of it is just that they are playing to a crowd. Anyone can do that; bisexual girls just happen to have that hook.
The Alma Mater
20-12-2007, 21:16
I do not see the problem- though gay men of course have the advantage of no longer being competition.
New Birds
20-12-2007, 21:18
The problem I've found with bisexuals is that there are bad apples among them - just like with any other group of people who has ever been stereotyped. Sure, there are plenty like that. Part of it is just that they are playing to a crowd. Anyone can do that; bisexual girls just happen to have that hook.

I wasn't referring to bisexual girls at all. I was referring to straight girls who get off with other straight girls to impress/pull/whatever guys.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 21:25
I wasn't referring to bisexual girls at all. I was referring to straight girls who get off with other straight girls to impress/pull/whatever guys.

Well, people pretending to be one sexual oritentation when they're another is, of course, a problem. If people would just learn to be honest with themselves, and society would just learn to accept that there are bigger problems than where people stick their gidgets or their tongues, then maybe there wouldn't be this hook.

Then again, people do stupid shit when they're drunk. And people call them stupid things behind their backs for it. Ha.
SoWiBi
20-12-2007, 21:32
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

Please, sweetie, not again. We've well established in the past that you overestimated the cognitive capacity of your standard bisexuality-thread visitor on NSG and your efforts are bound to fall on barren ground, so.. don't waste your seed.
Kirav
20-12-2007, 21:35
I'm straight and have nothing against bisexuals. They can pursue their own sexual appetites the same as anyone else.

I've never met a bisexual guy. I've met tons of bisexual women, and most publicized bisexuals tend to be female.
Fassitude
20-12-2007, 21:36
Please, sweetie, not again. We've well established in the past that you overestimated the cognitive capacity of your standard bisexuality-thread visitor on NSG and your efforts are bound to fall on barren ground, so.. don't waste your seed.

Figures you'd say that now when you're the one putting on the airs.
Fassitude
20-12-2007, 21:40
Are you saying no one is truly bisexual?

Not so much different from the "bisexuals'" usual claims that everyone is and thus that theirs is the only sexuality that exists...

Bis are simply people who are attracted to features other than plumbing.

... or the bullshit claims that somehow they wouldn't care about "plumbing", while the rest of us just look for walking cocks and pussies. The hallmark of the "bisexual" - denigrating the true sexualities of others, while bitching like schoolgirls with skinned knees when someone doesn't buy their act and bi-supremacist nonsense.
Neo Bretonnia
20-12-2007, 21:41
There ought to be an option that allows one to explicitly say "I don't care one way or the other about bisexuals."
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 21:44
Well, people pretending to be one sexual oritentation when they're another is, of course, a problem. If people would just learn to be honest with themselves, and society would just learn to accept that there are bigger problems than where people stick their gidgets or their tongues, then maybe there wouldn't be this hook.

Then again, people do stupid shit when they're drunk. And people call them stupid things behind their backs for it. Ha.

That's a strange thing to say, "if people would just learn to be honest with themselves", what does that mean? How exactly can you lie to yourself unless you have a multiple personality.
Another funny story,
"there was one guy who had two personalities at the same time, one arm would light a cigarette the other would smack it out of the hand."
OR anther is "there was one man where one of his arms tryed to hit his wife, while the other tried to stop it".
Or another is "there was one man who had 18 personalities, i think it was after a major trauma, some of them were female."
I picked these up from various tutors and books, quite interesting studying multiple personalities.
Some people say you're born being hetrosexual, then if you turn gay it's because of wanting attention.
Some others say that no your sexuality is decided by your environment, so if a man is brought up to be a girl he might act like a girl in later life. Which is true of some people but not of others.
Another strange case is where this girl was brought up in i think Russia by wolves, and took alot of care to change her attitudes.
There was another case in the US a gir called "genie", where she was restricted to one room for her first 13 years (horrific abuse), once other people found out about this, they tried to help her, but her parents said she shouldn't be taken away from her family. It ended tradically for the carer who was given an order by court not to ever see the girl again despite trying to help her (her father was jailed at this point), happened in early 1990s i think, there was a video i watched in class about it, quite saddening.
Fleckenstein
20-12-2007, 21:48
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

Going by this reaction, I'd say all gays hate bis.
Hydesland
20-12-2007, 21:52
Not so much different from the "bisexuals'" usual claims that everyone is and thus that theirs is the only sexuality that exists...


I must admit I do find bi supremacy annoying, and you get that a lot in Brighton.
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 21:57
Why would a bisexual resent other bisexuals?

I'm a bisexual male and get 'ewww gross' from some straight folks and resentment from some gay folks but will continue to enjoy my life and my sex while they have their cute little hissy fits about how bi's don't have to fight for gay rights since they can go for the opposite sex, how they don't have to come out to their families or whatever lame ass pouty arguments they come up with. Gay folks don't have to fight for gay rights or come out to their families either.

It's really hard to find bi men. There really aren't places where bi men can go out and find others with similar interests. Gay bars suck for us because I want a guy that will enjoy my wife as well.
The Alma Mater
20-12-2007, 22:00
Why would a bisexual resent other bisexuals?

Plenty of homosexuals resenting other homosexuals. The US republican party contains many excellent examples. Why would straight people and bisexuals be any different ?
Extreme Ironing
20-12-2007, 22:08
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

And why do you think that?


Not so much different from the "bisexuals'" usual claims that everyone is and thus that theirs is the only sexuality that exists...

Not every bisexual person thinks everyone is bisexual. I think it's more prevalent than is generally reported, but certainly not the only sexuality, something like the Kinsey scale is far more likely.


OP: I've heard several times from people that they think bisexuals don't exist, but I've yet to here any decent reason why they think this.
Ashmoria
20-12-2007, 22:09
i only dislike the (hopefully rare) bisexual who uses it as an excuse to cheat on his mate. the guy who tells his wife/girlfriend that he HAS to have cock now and then and that she should somehow be OK with that as long as he only fucks men on the side.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 22:09
With guys, the issue is that many see sexual orientation as a black-and-white proposition. Either you're 100% heterosexual or you're grouped into the "gay" category, and anything other than those two often fails to compute. If you're attracted to men, you're gay, even if you're also attracted to women. If you're not attracted to women, you're gay, even if you're not attracted to men. If you're adamant about not being attracted to either, you are assumed to be attracted to animals or children, and we all know how that ends.

With women, there isn't so much of this black-and-white proposition, and bisexuals are seen as wild and adventurous. Therefore, it's a desirable trait.
[NS]Rolling squid
20-12-2007, 22:09
Not so much different from the "bisexuals'" usual claims that everyone is and thus that theirs is the only sexuality that exists...



... or the bullshit claims that somehow they wouldn't care about "plumbing", while the rest of us just look for walking cocks and pussies. The hallmark of the "bisexual" - denigrating the true sexualities of others, while bitching like schoolgirls with skinned knees when someone doesn't buy their act and bi-supremacist nonsense.


WTF? Are you saying that bi's think that everyone else is bi or something? If so, what are you smoking, I want some.

I'm Bi, I respect that others guys don't like men, or that some guys don't like girls. And as for not caring about plumbing, it means that the first thing we look for is personality, not gender.
The Alma Mater
20-12-2007, 22:11
Rolling squid;13308758']WTF? Are you saying that bi's think that everyone else is bi or something? If so, what are you smoking, I want some.

Quite a lot of people claim that sexual preference is analog instead of digital - that it is a sliding scale. Say that 1 is "only fancies men" and 100 "only fancies women" and you have a lot of inbetweens.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 22:12
i only dislike the (hopefully rare) bisexual who uses it as an excuse to cheat on his mate. the guy who tells his wife/girlfriend that he HAS to have cock now and then and that she should somehow be OK with that as long as he only fucks men on the side.

As often as that happens, I see the guys who don't count it as cheating if their girlfriend does it with another girl, but go batshit lunatic hellfire crazy if it's with a man. If it's in an established open relationship with these parameters, it's cool. If he's using that as an excuse to score dudes on the side, then it's underhanded at best and cold-hearted cheating at worst.
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 22:12
Plenty of homosexuals resenting other homosexuals. The US republican party contains many excellent examples. Why would straight people and bisexuals be any different ?

They might resent having to hide their sexuality but I doubt they resent other homosexuals. They more than likely resent other straight people more for not having to go thru what they are dealing with.

I'm open to hear some reasons why straight/bi/gay people would resent other straight/bi/gay people for their sexual orientation.
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:17
Bis are simply people who are attracted to features other than plumbing.

It figures that there'd be people who resent such a thing.

I don't resent bisexuals at all, but I do resent stuck-up idiots who pretend that they're superior to me because they happen to be attracted to both genders. The "people, not plumbing" line is old, tired, and absurdly offensive, and I'm really sick of hearing it.
Mi-Kal
20-12-2007, 22:21
The P4PE Region accepts all humans, no matter their preferences. all are equal!

come join us!
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 22:22
My wife and I are both bi - she's fine with me being with guys on my own once in a while and I'm fine with her being with girls on her own. Normally though, we are together when we play with others.
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 22:24
yeah, I like the plumbing too.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 22:25
Quite a lot of people claim that sexual preference is analog instead of digital - that it is a sliding scale. Say that 1 is "only fancies men" and 100 "only fancies women" and you have a lot of inbetweens.

man with deep voice big muscles, "so what's your number pretty lady?"
woman with curves, "i'm sliding from 30-70".
Man "stay away from me you freak! i'm all 80".
I like the numer system, made me laugh. What about negative numbers? like -5 does that mean you like dead men?
The Alma Mater
20-12-2007, 22:29
What about negative numbers? like -5 does that mean you like dead men?

Or kids ;)
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:29
man with deep voice big muscles, "so what's your number pretty lady?"
woman with curves, "i'm sliding from 30-70".
Man "stay away from me you freak! i'm all 80".
I like the numer system, made me laugh. What about negative numbers? like -5 does that mean you like dead men?

I don't know why it's terribly funny; it makes a fair amount of sense to me as a way to think of things. If sexuality is purely binary, how does one explain people like my friend A., who finds both genders sexually attractive but has never desired a serious relationship with a girl, or my friend G., who has, in his life, been attracted to dozens of girls and exactly one guy?
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:31
yeah, I like the plumbing too.

Seriously. And I like the people, too. It's not like I'd be terribly attracted to a giant anthropomorphic penis. :p
Neesika
20-12-2007, 22:33
I've heard from several people, both gay and straight that they sort of resent bisexuals. Reason being that at least gay and straight people can "pick one" or have standards. So do you resent bisexuals?

I love bisexuals! I think more people would identify as such if they weren't so stuck on the concept of being 50/50. Most bis lean towards one gender more than the other anyway. I'm a 60/40 btw in favour of men. Used to think I was a 70/30 but dem wimmin convinced me otherwise.
The Alma Mater
20-12-2007, 22:33
I don't know why it's terribly funny; it makes a fair amount of sense to me as a way to think of things. If sexuality is purely binary, how does one explain people like my friend A., who finds both genders sexually attractive but has never desired a serious relationship with a girl, or my friend G., who has, in his life, been attracted to dozens of girls and exactly one guy?

I actually think a scale is too simple when compared to reality. Some people can fancy both. Some people fancy neither. Some fancy other things (animals for instance). Some just like sex. The list is long.
Neesika
20-12-2007, 22:34
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

:D
Neesika
20-12-2007, 22:35
Bis are simply people who are attracted to features other than plumbing.

It figures that there'd be people who resent such a thing.

Oh bullshit. We are as attracted to plumbing as anyone else. Just more types of plumbing.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 22:37
I don't know why it's terribly funny; it makes a fair amount of sense to me as a way to think of things. If sexuality is purely binary, how does one explain people like my friend A., who finds both genders sexually attractive but has never desired a serious relationship with a girl, or my friend G., who has, in his life, been attracted to dozens of girls and exactly one guy?

It makes sense, but doesn't account for sadistic tastes e.g. necrophelia, or people who are turned on by wanting someone to eat them( i don't understand it either).
But yeah helps, but i don't know how you'd be able to measure it.
Kyronea
20-12-2007, 22:40
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

Ah, Fass, proving your true bigoted nature at last, are you? Not surprising in the least, of course. You'll gladly fight for rights for people who share whatever traits you may possess but say "to hell with the rest" huh? No, not surprising at all.
Imperio Mexicano
20-12-2007, 22:41
"I am straight and don't resent/dislike bisexuals."
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:41
I actually think a scale is too simple when compared to reality. Some people can fancy both. Some people fancy neither. Some fancy other things (animals for instance). Some just like sex. The list is long.

Oh, sure. You just have to start graphing in more than two dimensions. You've got your men/women scale, your submissive/dominant scale, your sadist/masochist scale, your old-young scale, your plushies/hell-no-that's-creepy scale, and so on and and so on. :)
Telesha
20-12-2007, 22:45
Oh, sure. You just have to start graphing in more than two dimensions. You've got your men/women scale, your submissive/dominant scale, your sadist/masochist scale, your old-young scale, your plushies/hell-no-that's-creepy scale, and so on and and so on. :)

I hereby charge you with the creation of this scale, if only because it would probably make the single most entertaining internet quiz.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 22:46
Oh, sure. You just have to start graphing in more than two dimensions. You've got your men/women scale, your submissive/dominant scale, your sadist/masochist scale, your old-young scale, your plushies/hell-no-that's-creepy scale, and so on and and so on. :)

you mean sort of like that political circle in that other thread?
I might need alot of dimensions.
well i consider myself 100 but that's just me speaking, hey about that, who would say where you stand, you? or is it calculated by some doctor person with alot of phd's and ba's and ma's behind their name.
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 22:47
My wife and I are both bi - she's fine with me being with guys on my own once in a while and I'm fine with her being with girls on her own. Normally though, we are together when we play with others.

I would love to be in a marriage like that. How do people get so lucky? Seriously.
Crapooza
20-12-2007, 22:47
you can be bisexual if you want, but leave me out of it.
Cookesland
20-12-2007, 22:48
I've no problem with them, you like what you like
Telesha
20-12-2007, 22:48
I would love to be in a marriage like that. How do people get so lucky? Seriously.

It's like the lottery, near as I can tell. Sometimes you hit the mega-millions jackpot, other times just the pick 3.
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:50
I hereby charge you with the creation of this scale, if only because it would probably make the single most entertaining internet quiz.

Ha, that'll go over great with my boss.

"Hey, Poli, what are you doing there? Is that for work?"
"Oh, I'm just creating a quiz to calculate one's sexuality in 57 dimensions."
"...why?"
"Because the internets demands it!"
"Um."
"Right now I'm figuring out how to calculate one's degree of attraction to goats!"
"......you're so totally fired."
"I figured as much. But at least the gods of internet memery shall be appeased!"
Fassitude
20-12-2007, 22:51
Ah, Fass, proving your true bigoted nature at last, are you? Not surprising in the least, of course. You'll gladly fight for rights for people who share whatever traits you may possess but say "to hell with the rest" huh? No, not surprising at all.

Please, sweetie, not again. We've well established in the past that you overestimated the cognitive capacity of your standard bisexuality-thread visitor on NSG and your efforts are bound to fall on barren ground, so.. don't waste your seed.

SoWiBi, I expect you to be habitually right about NSG and my overestimations of cognitive capacities, but with people like Kyronea around it's not that much of a sport for you to be, nor does an actual overestimation occur. Just an expectancy of an inevitable display of never getting it. Ever. Forever.
Kyronea
20-12-2007, 22:56
SoWiBi, I expect you to be habitually right about NSG and my overestimations of cognitive capacities, but with people like Kyronea around it's not that much of a sport for you to be, nor does an actual overestimation occur. Just an expectancy of an inevitable display of never getting it. Ever. Forever.
Oh, I got it. I just couldn't let an opportunity to poke at you slip me by.

And like it or not, joking or not, you are bigoted. Deal with it.
Telesha
20-12-2007, 22:56
Ha, that'll go over great with my boss.

"Hey, Poli, what are you doing there? Is that for work?"
"Oh, I'm just creating a quiz to calculate one's sexuality in 57 dimensions."
"...why?"
"Because the internets demands it!"
"Um."
"Right now I'm figuring out how to calculate one's degree of attraction to goats!"
"......you're so totally fired."
"I figured as much. But at least the gods of internet memery shall be appeased!"

I read that, and immediately my mind pictured it as an xkcd comic...

Somebody help me, the internet has broken my brain...
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 22:57
It's like the lottery, near as I can tell. Sometimes you hit the mega-millions jackpot, other times just the pick 3.

Pick 3 would be generous for many marriages.
Neesika
20-12-2007, 22:57
Ah, Fass, proving your true bigoted nature at last, are you? Not surprising in the least, of course. You'll gladly fight for rights for people who share whatever traits you may possess but say "to hell with the rest" huh? No, not surprising at all.

:rolleyes:

Oh yea, hearken unto the true defender of all right and true. Righteous is his wrath.
Soheran
20-12-2007, 22:58
SoWiBi, I expect you to be habitually right about NSG and my overestimations of cognitive capacities, but with people like Kyronea around it's not that much of a sport for you to be, nor does an actual overestimation occur.

I don't really care whether or not you really believe bisexuals don't exist. You're still being bigoted.
Telesha
20-12-2007, 22:58
Pick 3 would be generous for many marriages.

Hence the reality of the lottery: and they rest of us just end up spending money on a useless piece of paper.
Fassitude
20-12-2007, 22:59
Oh, I got it. I just couldn't let an opportunity to poke at you slip me by.

You fake it so poorly, mostly because "fake it 'til you make it" in your case just never gets past the "fake it" part...

And like it or not, joking or not, you are bigoted. Deal with it.

... and misunderstand me correctly, it's comforting that you're as clueless as always. Like a constant.
Poliwanacraca
20-12-2007, 22:59
I read that, and immediately my mind pictured it as an xkcd comic...

Somebody help me, the internet has broken my brain...

Hee! I can totally see it as an xkcd comic, too. :D
Law Abiding Criminals
20-12-2007, 23:00
Hence the reality of the lottery: and they rest of us just end up spending money on a useless piece of paper.

Ba-zing.
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 23:02
I would love to be in a marriage like that. How do people get so lucky? Seriously.

I wonder the same thing. I expected to be a sad lonely hermit my entire life but then I won, what I call...

It's like the lottery, near as I can tell. Sometimes you hit the mega-millions jackpot, other times just the pick 3.


yep, the wife lottery.



~~~~~~~


My advice would be to be as truthful as you can be about your desires to any romantic partner, even if you think it might be uncomfortable with them.
Kyronea
20-12-2007, 23:03
Alright, Sin and Fass. You've got me. I'm a clueless idiot.

I'll leave you guys alone now.
Neesika
20-12-2007, 23:08
Alright, Sin and Fass. You've got me. I'm a clueless idiot.QFT
Sumamba Buwhan
20-12-2007, 23:10
Sin knows all!




Even the color of my undies.





That's cuz I'm wearing hers.
Mad hatters in jeans
20-12-2007, 23:11
Alright, Sin and Fass. You've got me. I'm a clueless idiot.

I'll leave you guys alone now.

Ah don't be scared off by them, i always back the minority (even if it's wrong)it's just so unfair.;)
anyway diverting potential flamyness, back to the topic.
I think a lottery would be a very funny idea, "okay folks accept your number because the numbers i call out next, that's who you're marrying. What? so what if there are more women than men, they'l just have to marry each other. What? well obviously you don't marry your sister."

might be a bit complex too, but i can see what you mean by the lottery of life.
The Novus
20-12-2007, 23:28
So....I can understand people faking being bisexual just to make them seem sexier for some reason, but for the real ones, why the hell should people get on their case? It's not like everything is black and white in sex. There are a lot of factors, especially when they are younger.
Kyronea
20-12-2007, 23:30
Ah don't be scared off by them, i always back the minority (even if it's wrong)it's just so unfair.;)
anyway diverting potential flamyness, back to the topic.
I think a lottery would be a very funny idea, "okay folks accept your number because the numbers i call out next, that's who you're marrying. What? so what if there are more women than men, they'l just have to marry each other. What? well obviously you don't marry your sister."

might be a bit complex too, but i can see what you mean by the lottery of life.

Scared off? No. I just don't have the wit to compete with Fass and Sin, so I'm not sure why I should even bother.
Skaladora
20-12-2007, 23:38
Scared off? No. I just don't have the wit to compete with Fass and Sin, so I'm not sure why I should even bother.

You don't need wit. All Fass ever does is attack the messenger with Ad Hominem attacks. No value whatsoever in a debate.

Also, bisexuals do indeed exist, and I, as a gay man, resent them only for the fact that they have a bigger pool of potential dates than me.
Kyronea
20-12-2007, 23:46
You don't need wit. All Fass ever does is attack the messenger with Ad Hominem attacks. No value whatsoever in a debate.


True...though honestly I'm not going to try mainly because I don't want to lose my temper, which is a little shorter than normal due to feeling rather ill. And since I'm not Fass and I don't delight in insulting people, I'll simply leave him be.

The Sin thing is mostly joking with her...I think...
Vojvodina-Nihon
20-12-2007, 23:52
I'm fairly sure bisexuals exist. I'm just not entirely sure why.

EDIT: Also, five people here claim to be Tom Tancredo. He'll have a tough time explaining this at the primaries. :D
Skaladora
20-12-2007, 23:52
I'm fairly sure bisexuals exist. I'm just not entirely sure why.

The correct question might be why not?
United_Deception
21-12-2007, 00:05
I am gay myself and under no reason resent bisexuality. Resenting someone because of their sexuality is just as bad as racism, sexism etc.

I know a gay male whom thinks bisexuality is just a phase people go through before they find out if their straight or gay. Then again this guy is also a religious nut case.
So it's really hard to know.

But my opinion on it stays the same, resenting bisexuals is wrong, just as it is for resenting anyone else.
Upper Botswavia
21-12-2007, 01:18
Despite Fass' continued protestations to the opposite, bisexuals do exist. I am one.

As to some of the reasons people don't like us (some of these don't come from this thread)... well, I don't think my sexuality is "better" than anyone else's. I don't think that everyone is bisexual. I don't "do it to be cool/attractive/hip". I don't "do it" at all, it is just who I am. I don't want to steal your girlfriend, or your boyfriend. I am not a slut who will sleep with anyone who comes along. I am not trying to avoid the label "gay". I am not trying to avoid the label "straight". I don't want to push it in anyone's face, in fact I rarely discuss it unless someone else brings it up. But I don't go out of my way to avoid the topic either. I am not" just hanging around avoiding making a choice"; every time I pick a partner I make a choice, but bisexuality, like any other sexuality, is not something you choose to be, it is something you are.

I don't think that the fact that I find some men and some women attractive means anything more than just that, I find some men and some women attractive. Not all men and all women, certainly, any more than a monosexual finds all people of the same or opposite sex (depending on preference) attractive. Like anyone else in the human race, I find people attractive for reasons that have nothing to do with plumbing, it is just that I don't find a person's plumbing to be a deal breaker, as some others do.

And I think THAT is the only difference... that plumbing is not necessarily a deal breaker one way or the other, but for people who are strictly straight or gay it is (or can be, anyway).

And ultimately, so what? If Fass doesn't want to believe I exist, well, that's too bad for him, as I am a fascinating person and he will miss out by not accepting me for what I am. I will continue to accept him for what he is (not that it seems to matter to him if I do either, though), and go on being me.

And envy Sumamba just a little. :D
Marijuanastanican
21-12-2007, 01:24
I'm half bi
Uturn
21-12-2007, 01:26
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

*poofs into non-existence*
/silly Fass indulgence

So you mean you DO resent us, simply because we exist?
As good a reason as any I suppose.

Anyhow, back to the OP.
I am bisexual, don't resent bisexuals. In fact I kinda like them, mainly because it means less explaining and more fun... and maybe some more sharing too.
I do however resent attention whores. Especially the one's which are juvenile delinquents who think it's fun to get drunk and make out with other people just to get someone to notice them. But attention whores in general are one of my least favourite groups - no matter their strategy or medium.
Soviet Haaregrad
21-12-2007, 04:26
I resent bisexuals out of jealousy. I only have half the population to choose from, why should they get it all. That's t3h unf4irzzz. :fluffle:
Nova Magna Germania
21-12-2007, 04:41
Why are people arguing for the existance of bisexuals? It's like arguing for the fact that Earth is round.
UpwardThrust
21-12-2007, 04:53
not really i mean one some guy from my school was openly gay, then went bisexual, he's alright a little wierd though. Well i guess their reasoning is they get "the best of both worlds". Try not to think to hard about that.
so no as long as they don't try to come on to me i'm happy.

Yeah because sexuality is based on the "reasoning" of the person :rolleyes:
Deus Malum
21-12-2007, 04:59
Why are people arguing for the existance of bisexuals? It's like arguing for the fact that Earth is round.

It's actually an oblate spheroid. :D
Dalmatia Cisalpina
21-12-2007, 05:41
I'm bi. I've known for seven or eight years. It doesn't make me a slut. It doesn't mean I sleep with anyone who comes along; in fact, what I do with anyone is between me and my boyfriend. I haven't told my parents (mostly because my dad is uber-conservative and I still like living under his roof for free). I have told my best friend, who is like a sister to me, and my boyfriend. I told one girl about six years ago, and she condemned me to hell (in about as many words).
I don't have a problem with other people being bi, straight, gay, whatever. I just wish there didn't have to be so much discomfort on all sides.
Silliopolous
21-12-2007, 05:49
As fun as it is to play the generalization game, I can't say that I've ever resented bisexuals per se. Why would I?

I may have in the past, however, resented one or two specific bisexuals who I wanted to sleep with but didn't want to sleep with me!

;)
Voxio
21-12-2007, 05:53
Well, I'm only slightly into the area of bisexuality, but I don't have any resentment towards those who are further along than me...or those that are not.
Dryks Legacy
21-12-2007, 07:30
well i consider myself 100 but that's just me speaking, hey about that, who would say where you stand, you? or is it calculated by some doctor person with alot of phd's and ba's and ma's behind their name.

100 points doesn't work on a continous, multi-dimensional scale. You'll have to start using words instead.

I read that, and immediately my mind pictured it as an xkcd comic...

Somebody help me, the internet has broken my brain...

I did that too :D

It's actually an oblate spheroid. :D

Damn, beat me to it :(
Dakini
21-12-2007, 08:22
i only dislike the (hopefully rare) bisexual who uses it as an excuse to cheat on his mate. the guy who tells his wife/girlfriend that he HAS to have cock now and then and that she should somehow be OK with that as long as he only fucks men on the side.
Ugh, I dated a guy who had issues with this. He claimed that all bisexuals were always trying to work out such a deal.
Anti-Social Darwinism
21-12-2007, 09:54
They'd have to exist for me to resent them.

We all know you resent anyone who isn't a gay, preferably Swedish, male.
Laerod
21-12-2007, 10:04
I've heard from several people, both gay and straight that they sort of resent bisexuals. Reason being that at least gay and straight people can "pick one" or have standards. So do you resent bisexuals?No.
Pure Metal
21-12-2007, 10:21
no, largely because the idea of bisexual girls is sorta fun... as long as i can watch ;)
Mashusa
21-12-2007, 10:26
I don't eliminate people as potential romantic partners because of silly little details like gender. Why should this make people despise me? I rather think that those who are gay/straight are a little prejudiced to the gender (or sex, depending on what you base sexuality on) they aren't attracted to.
Pirated Corsairs
21-12-2007, 10:27
Eh, I suppose I could be slightly jealous because they have a larger pool of people to choose from, but there's quite enough women out there that I don't see myself running out of choices anytime soon anyway, so I don't really care that much.
Lunatic Goofballs
21-12-2007, 11:02
There was a time when I labeled myself bisexual. Now I know that I defy labels. But I do fall somewhere on the heterosexual side of the spectrum. *nod*
Bottle
21-12-2007, 13:25
I grew up in a very liberal household. I have a lesbian godmother. I always received the message that it was okay to be gay, just like it was okay to be straight.

But nobody ever specifically mentioned that one could be both.

My first crush was on a girl. Okay, I thought, I'm lesbian. Mom and Dad say that's okay.

Then I got a crush on a boy. What the...?!

I was deeply confused for a while. Nobody had ever told me you couldn't be bisexual, but nobody had ever talked about it either. It was always either GAY or STRAIGHT. Two choices, pick one, which are you?

When I finally sorted things out and realized I was bisexual, I'll admit that I was a total slut for a while. It might sound silly, but I felt like I suddenly had "permission" to simply like who I liked. So I liked them all. A whole lot.

Frankly, though, I chalk this up to being a young teen rather than to being a bisexual. Sexual awakening can lead to this kind of frenzy in gay teens, straight teens, and anybody in between.
B E E K E R
21-12-2007, 13:28
I grew up in a very liberal household. I have a lesbian godmother. I always received the message that it was okay to be gay, just like it was okay to be straight.

But nobody ever specifically mentioned that one could be both.

My first crush was on a girl. Okay, I thought, I'm lesbian. Mom and Dad say that's okay.

Then I got a crush on a boy. What the...?!

I was deeply confused for a while. Nobody had ever told me you couldn't be bisexual, but nobody had ever talked about it either. It was always either GAY or STRAIGHT. Two choices, pick one, which are you?

When I finally sorted things out and realized I was bisexual, I'll admit that I was a total slut for a while. It might sound silly, but I felt like I suddenly had "permission" to simply like who I liked. So I liked them all. A whole lot.

Frankly, though, I chalk this up to being a young teen rather than to being a bisexual. Sexual awakening can lead to this kind of frenzy in gay teens, straight teens, and anybody in between.

Hey Bottle ;)

Personally im straight...but would love to be bisexual...just imagine walking into a bar and thinking everyone was hot...id be like a kid in a sweet shop ;-)
Intangelon
21-12-2007, 13:38
Good grief -- there are FAR more important things to argue about than whether or not bisexuals "exist". I can't believe some people would waste time on an issue like that when it doesn't pertain to them at all. I'm gonna side with Jimmy Durante, who said (and I paraphrase), "I wish everyone would leave everyone else alone."
B E E K E R
21-12-2007, 13:40
Good grief -- there are FAR more important things to argue about than whether or not bisexuals "exist". I can't believe some people would waste time on an issue like that when it doesn't pertain to them at all. I'm gonna side with Jimmy Durante, who said (and I paraphrase), "I wish everyone would leave everyone else alone."

A world of sexual abstination...what a horrifying thought...spread the love Intangelon...SPREAD THE LOVE!!
Jello Biafra
21-12-2007, 13:56
Some others say that no your sexuality is decided by your environment, so if a man is brought up to be a girl he might act like a girl in later life. Which is true of some people but not of others.How would you bring someone up to be a girl?

"Right now I'm figuring out how to calculate one's degree of attraction to goats!"I'm sure you can fit Satan in there somewhere.
"Do you want to fuck the devil?", etc.
Dundee-Fienn
21-12-2007, 14:02
How would you bring someone up to be a girl?


I think he means bring someone up to exhibit what are traditionally held to be feminine characteristics...........or perhaps he's talking about testicular feminisation
Jello Biafra
21-12-2007, 14:11
I think he means bring someone up to exhibit what are traditionally held to be feminine characteristics...........or perhaps he's talking about testicular feminisationOh, castration. Yes, I suppose that could happen.
Mad hatters in jeans
21-12-2007, 14:12
How would you bring someone up to be a girl?

.

Well i i heard it from psychology, a man was brought up as a woman all his life until he was 20, (there was some mix up with some babies), but he suffered problems when he was older and it generally messed him up.
Dundee-Fienn
21-12-2007, 14:17
Oh, castration. Yes, I suppose that could happen.

Not quite: (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001180.htm)

Androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) is when a person who is genetically male (has one X and one Y chromosome) is resistant to male hormones called androgens. As a result, the person has some or all of the physical characteristics of a woman, despite having the genetic makeup of a man.

The syndrome is divided into two main categories: complete and incomplete. Complete AIS results in someone who looks female. In the incomplete AIS syndrome, the degree of sexual ambiguity varies widely from individual to individual.
Bottle
21-12-2007, 14:19
Not quite: (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001180.htm)
You can also have mutations in the SRY (sex-determining region Y) gene. These can result in a XX male, or an XY female.
Dundee-Fienn
21-12-2007, 14:23
You can also have mutations in the SRY (sex-determining region Y) gene. These can result in a XX male, or an XY female.

Yup t'is the most interesting thing i've learnt about all semester

*Goes off to hunt down more books*
Fennijer
21-12-2007, 14:26
I have nothing against bisexuals, or indeed any sexual orientation as long as it is consenting and within acceptable age restrictions.

However, there is one factor of a bisexual lifestyle which I have witnessed as a recurring problem.
It is often that a bisexual will be pulled into (or enter willingly) commitment such as marriage. Unless that is an open relationship and the partner is fully understanding of the bisexual nature, it tends to raise important issues later in the relationship. These issues manifest in the form of secrets, lies or repression of natural urges for the bisexual in question.

Much as with anything in life, being Bisexual is not the 'ball park' that everyone on the outside seems to think it is. For those bisexuals who are capable of emotions, it can become a series of heartbreaking traumatic events. I know this because I have watched a bisexual friend seemingly on a course of self-destruction through his failed attempts at relationships, and I see the devastation he has left in his wake such as 2 women left as single parents, 4 children whose father is branded as a cheat and a liar, a string of affairs of both gender.
Knowing the man in question well, I understand the trauma he puts upon himself and have seen him trying to deal with it. It is certainly not an easy path in life, and any disrespect that he has earned can surely only be from those people who he has affected.
As I say, Bisexuality only truly works if all in the relationship(s) are aware and comfortable with the situation.
Law Abiding Criminals
21-12-2007, 14:43
You can also have mutations in the SRY (sex-determining region Y) gene. These can result in a XX male, or an XY female.

Or in the words of Dr. Gregory House, "The perfect woman is a man."
Jello Biafra
21-12-2007, 14:53
Not quite: (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001180.htm)That wouldn't be the choice of the parents to 'bring someone up' that way, though.
Bottle
21-12-2007, 14:54
Hey Bottle ;)

*snog*

:D


Personally im straight...but would love to be bisexual...just imagine walking into a bar and thinking everyone was hot...id be like a kid in a sweet shop ;-)
Rumor has it that there's a magazine for bisexuals in San Fran with the title, "Anything That Moves."
Dryks Legacy
21-12-2007, 14:55
Well i i heard it from psychology, a man was brought up as a woman all his life until he was 20, (there was some mix up with some babies), but he suffered problems when he was older and it generally messed him up.

You talking about this guy? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer) It didn't just generally mess him up it destroyed his family.
Bottle
21-12-2007, 14:58
You talking about this guy? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer)That story has always depressed me.

That poor kid's parents were basically told to force their child to follow amazingly rigid gender stereotypes in some twisted effort to make him be a "girl." Never mind that even GIRLS hate most of that shit when it is forced upon them...

Imagine being told that you have to sit quietly and play house, when you really want to climb a tree or play ball. Imagine being told you have to wear frilly dresses when you'd be much more comfortable in pants. Imagine being told that all your interests are only for boys, and you must be a girl and like girl things. Small wonder he hated it and was miserable...I would have been, too, and I am biologically female.
B E E K E R
21-12-2007, 15:02
*snog*

:D


Rumor has it that there's a magazine for bisexuals in San Fran with the title, "Anything That Moves."

Hehe...you just cant leave this place can you ;)

on a side note im welsh...so abit of sheep bestiality isnt beyond the realms of contemplation :eek: