NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the thread to state who you endorse for President in '08 on both the democrat and republican side, and why.


I formally endorse Ron Paul, and after not liking him at 1st, Barack Obama

Republican side: Ron Paul (the only one who's not a bloodthirsty, rabid warmonger)
Democrat side: Bill Richardson (pragmatic, moderate, smart, and honest, as far as politicians go)

well let's see, at the moment i endorse
gravel
kusenich
christene smith (if i've got the right name)
ron paul
obama
and hillary

in approximately that order
without a whole lot of reguard for party affiliation.

if a white, male, republican wins the u.s. election in 2008, there's no way in hell i'm gonna believe the election wasn't rigged.

if the republicans ran condolisa rice, i still wouldn't vote for her, but i might believe it if she won.

=^^=
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Just to annoy folks, I endorse Mike Huckabee and Hillary Clinton. :D

Just to annoy folks, I endorse Mike Huckabee and Hillary Clinton. :D

*throws balut at B&N*

:D

I endorse (http://www.petitiononline.com/stephen1/petition-sign.html):

Stephen Colbert.

I endorse Vermin Love Supreme (http://www.verminsupreme.com/)

:)

"Sometimes ...I wear a fake ass." -Vermin Love Supreme

I pick George W. Bush. Just because I know he can't actually win again.

I endorse (http://www.petitiononline.com/stephen1/petition-sign.html):

Stephen Colbert.

that reminds me, i forgot swami beyondananda! with all do appologies for my oversight.

unless colbert's the same guy, which i kind of doubt, i don't know him from adam, though i've seen his name thrown arround on several forums from time to time, including this one.

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I support Mike Gravel as he is (so I hear) the most left

though thats no way an endorsement due to his flat tax madness

I formally endorse Ron Paul, and after not liking him at 1st, Barack Obama

http://www.ronisright.com/

*throws balut at B&N*

:D
*throws back a pot of dinuguan at IM*

Damn, so much food wasted. :D

*throws back a pot of dinuguan at IM*

Damn, so much food wasted. :D

*eats the dinuguan and the balut*

Wasted? :p

I endorse Ron Paul on the grounds that I have met the man and he good people.

I endorse Obama as the only candidate for 2008 I see as both electable and stomachable.

Democrat side: Bill Richardson (pragmatic, moderate, smart, and honest, as far as politicians go)

Appropriate name to endorse the hispano-suprimist racist....

Appropriate name to endorse the hispano-suprimist racist....

:confused:

*eats the dinuguan and the balut*

Wasted? :p
Still wasted, 'cause you just ate the worm eggs there. You should have given those instead to my endorsed candidates. :p

EDIT: Oh, I'm a CyberFruit Merchant now, anyone wanna buy rotten tomatoes to pelt at the other candidates?

Still wasted, 'cause you just ate the worm eggs there. You should have given those instead to my endorsed candidates. :p

Worm eggs?

EDIT: Oh, I'm a CyberFruit Merchant now, anyone wanna buy rotten tomatoes to pelt at the other candidates?

Sure! :D

that reminds me, i forgot swami beyondananda! with all do appologies for my oversight.

unless colbert's the same guy, which i kind of doubt, i don't know him from adam, though i've seen his name thrown arround on several forums from time to time, including this one.Its OK.. chances are you cant vote at the US 2008 clusterfuck

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/files/2007/10/rtr1cxov.jpg

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2007/10/24/take-that-nader-colbert-breaks-into-double-digits/

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Richardson is a hispano-suprimitist as I have pointed out before here. (Look into his reign in NM.)

And Imperio Mexicano is an appropriate name for a hispano-suprimitist, thus I am not surprised by your endorsement of him.

Richardson is a hispano-suprimitist as I have pointed out before here. (Look into his reign in NM.)

Then I retract my support.

And Imperio Mexicano is an appropriate name for a hispano-suprimitist, thus I am not surprised by your endorsement of him.

Kind of funny, considering that I'm neither Hispanic, nor Mexican, nor a "suprimitist."

Richardson is a hispano-suprimitist as I have pointed out before here. (Look into his reign in NM.)

And Imperio Mexicano is an appropriate name for a hispano-suprimitist, thus I am not surprised by your endorsement of him.IM is not an a supremacist, actually neither of them are.

are you allergic to brown skin?

Worm eggs?
Echinostoma and Ascaris. Them eggs I put there for my endorsed candidates. Mmmm, muy delicioso! :D

Sure! :D
I sell rotten tomatoes at 50 cents per kilo.

And also, "suprimitists" at 4 cents a kilo.

Then I retract my support.Wow.. WoW.. *shakes head*

all it took was one lousy lie, just one.. and you surrendered faster than I can say "where is your green card jose".

Thats weak.

Echinostoma and Ascaris. Them eggs I put there for my endorsed candidates. Mmmm, muy delicioso! :D

Yak!

I sell rotten tomatoes at 50 cents per kilo.

And also, "suprimitists" at 4 cents a kilo.

I'll buy 20 kilos of suprimitists.

IM is not an a supremacist, actually neither of them are.

Richardson certainly is, as I have indicated in the past. His cronyist administration of the UNM system, wherein he replaced an unibiased president of NMHUniversity with the likes of Manny Aragon, who was unabashed in his rasicst denial of tenure to non-hispanics. I've posted the whole fiasco multiple times before. Look it up for yourself for a change.

IM's name and support (until above) induicate the same.

are you allergic to brown skin?

Yes, certainly. That's why I endorsed of Obama above. It's also why I've adamantly argued against the existance of race repeatedly. :rolleyes:

and you surrendered faster than I can say "where is your green card jose".
Here I was, wondering wtf is "jose". Haha, dumb me. :headbang: :D

I'll buy 20 kilos of suprimitists.
Very well, that'll be 80 cents, plus $22.50 for shipping and handling. Because suprimitists are prickly and hazardous and pungent, we would be charging $15.25 for the additional packaging, $29.75 as hazard bonus for the courier, and $9.50 just because we want to charge more. But since you are my first customer you get a 100% discount on all items. Thank you very much for your patrona- BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!! Call within the next 30 minutes and you get our free SUPRIMITIST-O-METER. A $1,859.95 value ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!

Haha. I'm getting crazy... it's 2 am here.

None of the above, please.

Wow.. WoW.. *shakes head*

all it took was one lousy lie, just one.. and you surrendered faster than I can say "where is your green card jose".

Thats weak.

It's not a lie. Richardson appointed Manny Aragon, a hispano-suprimist who denied tenure to several non-hispanics purely on ethnic grounds, as president of NMHU.

Republican Side: Ron Paul, and also my first choice. Free-marketeer, anti-statist, anti-war.

Democrat Side: Bill Richardson. Moderate, and promised to get out of the Iraq war immediately.

Kind of funny, considering that I'm neither Hispanic, nor Mexican, nor a "suprimitist."

Lies! We all know your plans for suprimicee!

Lies! We all know your plans for suprimicee!

Damn, you got me. :(

Very well, that'll be 80 cents, plus $22.50 for shipping and handling. Because suprimitists are prickly and hazardous and pungent, we would be charging $15.25 for the additional packaging, $29.75 as hazard bonus for the courier, and $9.50 just because we want to charge more. But since you are my first customer you get a 100% discount on all items. Thank you very much for your patrona- BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!!!! Call within the next 30 minutes and you get our free SUPRIMITIST-O-METER. A $1,859.95 value ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!

Haha. I'm getting crazy... it's 2 am here.

lmao

Lies! We all know your plans for suprimicee!
If you want to join him in his plans, you can buy "suprimitists" from this merchant at 4 cents a kilo.

Yes, certainly. That's why I endorsed of Obama above. yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Let me ask you a few simple (yes-no) questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Do we need a Law saying English must be the official Language?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Let me ask you a few questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Should English be the official language in the US?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

Even though the question wasn't directed at me ...

US restaurants can accept whatever they like as payment from their patrons, Mexican money, Canadian money, tree bark. What they can't to is meet their official obligations (taxes) with anything other than US currency. Heck, if they can get their vendors to take pesos, good for them.

The US doesn't need an official language, and that issue is raised nowadays in a particularly xenophobic manner, at least to me.

Undocumented Mexicans are going to drive (and some better than US citizens, given what I see on the roads each day commuting to and from work). Good luck stopping them. Their driving is not the underlying issue.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Should English be the official language in the US?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

1. If they want to, that's their choice.
2. Yes.
3. As long as they can drive safely and responsibly, I don't care what nationality they are, or whether they're undocumented or not.

The US doesn't need an official language, and that issue is raised nowadays in a particularly xenophobic manner, at least to me.same here, and its all the xenophobia behind it all that bothers me.

John McCain and Barack Obama. The oldest versus the youngest, two outsiders, that should be an interesting election

I don't give a shit, as long as he's not a war mongering neocon.

On the Republican side I proudly endorse super genius scientist and billionaire business executive Lex Luthor. His stance on aliens and economic policy is quite impressive.

On the Democratic side I proudly support my lord, General Zod. His plan for a socialized healthcare and 'tribute' production system seems the most thought out of all the candidates.

For the Republicans: I happily endorse Tom Tancred--GYAAAH! I can't even say it in the manner I meant it!

Tom Tancre--GYAAH! UGH!

...that guy from Colorado, okay? I endorse him because the Republicans would then surely lose.

For the Democrats: Barack Hussein Obama, no question. I WOULD endorse Mr. Kucinich but he and I have some things to settle regarding firearms before I could do that.

yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Let me ask you a few simple (yes-no) questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Should English be the official language in the US?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

Let's see...
1. No; our national currency is the US dollar and it should stick that way. I wouldn't pay for anything in Europe in dollars; they have the Euro. People should learn the way things work in the place they are. Societies should take some measures to accomodate and be welcoming to new people, but they should not have to bend over backward for them.
2. Yes; every person who travels to another country for any considerable amount of time should at least make a decent attempt to learn the language. This goes not just for people coming to America, but I think foreign language courses should be more of a focus in schools as a way not only to give our children the skills they need to survive in a globalizing world, but also to open them to the numerous lands and cultures that exist in that world.
3. Of course not if they're undocumented. Now, if they are here legally, such as possibly in a guest worker program (which I support) or through other means, then certainly, they should be allowed to obtain a driver's license. But undocumented, no.


BTW, my endorsements:
Republican: after thinking long and hard about 3 choices (Romney, McCain or Huckabee) I chose McCain. His policy on immigration is welcoming to those immigrants who are just trying to get by, while remaining tough on those who try to go around the system in the future. He understands that we won't be able to deport all of the undocumented immigrants in the country, and that in many cases, they are just people trying to make a better life for themselves. I also like his stance against torture, and I think he is a man who can do more than the other GOP candidates to repair America's negative image to the rest of the world, while remaining tough against nations like Iran and North Korea. Romney flounders too much, and while Huckabee really sounds good, I don't think it's the place of an ordained church minister to run for office.
Democrat: it sounds weird, but, Hillary Clinton. I hear a lot of great rhetoric about Obama, but I don't see much of anything concrete in his platform. Many of the other Democrats seem way too idealistic about what they can accomplish in 4-8 years. It sounds too utopian (and too socialist) for me. Hillary, on the other hand, sounds like she lives in the here and now, and understands the actual limits of what she can do. She has several plans that I think I can get on board with, albeit I would like to see exactly where the money is going to come from for them. Despite the way she runs her campaign, I would not mind seeing her as president too much. (Bill wasn't horrible...)

P.S. Of all the candidates in the entire race, Rudy just scares me.

I endorse Obama.

Haven't found another candidate I endorse.

John McCain and Obama as of late. I've always supported McCain since he got slimed by GWB in the lead-up to 2000. As a matter of fact that's when I liked him most. He's become a little odd lately, but based on his core goals and values I'd have to choose him. The only other Democrat I'd even consider voting for is Biden. Rudy and Huckabee are votes I would allow myself to make as well. "Uncle" Fred, Tancrazio, and Hillary I wouldn't even consider.

On the Republican side I endorse Voldemort.
On the Democrat side I endorse Obama.
On the Green side I endorse Captain Planet.

I endorse Obama for the Democratic party. For the Republican party I would love to be able to endorse Bush for a third run for the White House.

He's quite moderate compared to the actual GOP candidates, it seems. :(

Come to think of it, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been hostilly taken over by Ron Paul.

*dons helmet, trenchcoat, rifle and gear*
*jumps in trench*
*ducks and covers*

I pick George W. Bush. Just because I know he can't actually win again.
So what if he doesn't win? That never stopped him before!

Anyone but Ron Paul, because if he gets the nomination then I'll have to hear his name even more.

As for my actual endorsements: Gravel and McCain.

Click Stand;13303422']Anyone but Ron Paul, because if he gets the nomination then I'll have to hear his name even more.

As for my actual endorsements: Gravel and McCain.

"Gravel & McCain" ... isn't that the name of a firm of shady solicitors in some Dickens novel?

Democrat: Kucinich, though when he doesn't get the nomination I'm not sure of who I'll vote for.
Republican: McCain would be the least harmful.
Green: Unsure yet, though Kat Swift might be interesting.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?

Of course. They should be allowed to accept whatever they want in exchange for their services.

That's not a racial question. That's a free market question.

Do we need a Law saying English must be the official Language?
I don't see why. I would support a law promising government services in only one language, just to save money, but I don't see why you'd need one.

Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

Of course not. No one undocumented should be allowd to drive as long as documented citizens are required to get a license to drive.

Fuck it: myself.

I'm not actually a candidate, but why should that stop me?

Democrat: Barack Obama
Republican: No idea. Anyone but Paul or Huckabee, probably.
Although if Ron Paul broke the country, it would be kind of funny to watch.

If you want to join him in his plans, you can buy "suprimitists" from this merchant at 4 cents a kilo.

Can I buy a Do It Yourself Suprimicee Kit?

yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Let me ask you a few simple (yes-no) questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Do we need a Law saying English must be the official Language?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

1.) Yes. I despise legal tender laws, and the competition with another currency would cause the Fed to cease being so loose in its monetary policy.

2.) No. People should be able to conduct their business in whatever language they wish. In fact, people should be able to associate however they want.

3.) Yes, but like anyone they should be punished for whatever harm they cause. Past this, I frankly don't care.

I'd endorse Mike Gravel, but we all know there's a better chance of Fox News giving an unbiased news report than of him getting elected. I pick John Edwards on the Democrats side, and I don't endorse anyone on the Republican side.

I support Barack Obama overall. I also support Ron Paul and Brian Moore (socialist guy).

I endorse Lou Barletta, exclusively.

So what if he doesn't win? That never stopped him before!

He won both elections fair and square.

As to my endorsement, I'm not endorsing anyone. I find endorsments to be idiotic.

He won both elections fair and square.

Gee, I thought you might soften on that after a few years. Surely it puts the US in a better light that a majority of votes were not actually for the shocking President you still have ...?

Mickey Mouse.

edit: i'll go with kats choice.

Woa, put a cork in that signature!


LOL! I will if you give me a funnier one.

edit: i'll go with kats choice.

Woa, put a cork in that signature!

Gee, I thought you might soften on that after a few years. Surely it puts the US in a better light that a majority of votes were not actually for the shocking President you still have ...?

Funny. We do things by the Electoral College and not by Popular Vote. In that, he won fair and square. Good day.

Funny. We do things by the Electoral College and not by Popular Vote. In that, he won fair and square. Good day.

Once he's out of office, and undermining his legitimacy does not undermine the office itself ... there'll be facts to make you blush. Voting machines, the partisanship of the Florida court.

You're on the wrong side of this one, I guarantee you.

LOL! I will if you give me a funnier one.

Something is following me around ... like a bad smell.

I shouldn't really be spamming this thread. I have no opinion on the candidates, worthy of making an endorsement.

The Presidency is a relic of an age where a country needed an empowered spokesperson to negotiate with other countries, and the Electoral College a relic of an age when an empowered Elector had to ride a horse for a week to make the wishes of the voters known. It's an embarrassment on the same order as the British Monarchy.

Funny. We do things by the Electoral College and not by Popular Vote. In that, he won fair and square. Good day.

Electoral College, SCOTUS. Same difference, really.

Electoral College, SCOTUS. Same difference, really.

This really is getting old. When people start looking at the actual facts, it makes the above statement funny.

I endorse Rudy. (would pick John McCain, but he can't win)

This really is getting old. When people start looking at the actual facts, it makes the above statement funny.

Hey, if you can beat a dead horse, so can I.

This really is getting old. When people start looking at the actual facts, it makes the above statement funny.

Just food for thought. If he lost Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004 the electoral college wouldn't haven't been won, correct?

colorado sec of state (http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5451)

I don't love the source but... (http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29380)

So the possibility is still there. In time the truth will come out and then we can argue about it. Until then it's a matter in dispute waiting for further evidence.

A balance of power is all very well. "Two out of three decide" is all very well, but someone couldn't count!

House.
Senate.
President.
SCOTUS.
I think it's pretty obvious which one I'd get rid of!

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This really is getting old. When people start looking at the actual facts, it makes the above statement funny.

Ok, give us a link which describes the actual farts just the way you see them. I'll at least shut up for a while as I read. :)

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Hey, if you can beat a dead horse, so can I.

I don't believe the whole story has been told. I think there's some more facts on ice until the (possibly-illegitimate) President is out of the office.
"If it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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I quite like Mr. Ólafur Ragnar Grímsson.
He's just a figurehead, but a nice one at that.

http://www.mireya.is/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/53d01216ad5ca689.jpg

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Ok, give us a link which describes the actual farts just the way you see them. I'll at least shut up for a while as I read. :)

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I don't believe the whole story has been told. I think there's some more facts on ice until the (possibly-illegitimate) President is out of the office.
"If it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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QFT

Yes, certainly. That's why I endorsed of Obama above. It's also why I've adamantly argued against the existance of race repeatedly. :rolleyes:
yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Nice job of half quoting.

Let me ask you a few simple (yes-no) questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Do we need a Law saying English must be the official Language?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

Red herrings, each one, in my book. (As some have pointed out, they have been hijacked by the xenophobes.)

However, even though you have gone down the standard racists path of calling the anti-racist a racist, I'll answer your questions, as the next tactic up your sleeve is to throw the racist card again at me for not answering your spurious questions.

Question one is a free market question, as was pointed out above. Sure, I have no problems with that. In fact I'd love it if I could avoid converting my yen into dollars when I go home for Xmas.

Question two is a free speech question. As someone who lives overseas, in a non-English speaking country, I understand and empathise with non-native English speakers. The US has never had an official language and does not need one. That being said, the US does not need a law requiring that non-English speakers be served in any other language than the vernacular.

Question three is a public safety question. No person without a valid license should be allowed to drive on public roads.

Now that we have your little game out of the way, let us return to the question you were trying to distract us from: Bill Richradson's appointment of the prejudiced Manny Aragon as the president of New Mexico Highlands University.

Do you think it is appropriate for a governor to appoint as prersident of a university who denied tenure to professors on ethnic grounds?

For the Dems, I'd say Gravel, but he'll never win...so I'll say Obama.

For the Repubs, I'd say Paul, but he'll never win...so I'll say McCain.

I plan to vote for Paul in the Wisconsin primaries, provided he hasn't already withdrawn by then. Beyond that, still too early to say.

For the Dems, I'd say Gravel, but he'll never win...so I'll say Obama.


Hmm. Well, normally I'd go with 2+2 being equal to 4, but since that's not very popular, I'm going to say it equals 84.

DAMMIT. Why do I ALWAYS fail math tests? I just don't get it. I'm being terribly clever by answering according to predicted popularity rather than anything else.

Gee, I thought you might soften on that after a few years. Surely it puts the US in a better light that a majority of votes were not actually for the shocking President you still have ...?
The fact remains that the number of votes a candidate gets is demonstrably irrelevant. Mathematically, you could still win a two candidate race for President with as little as 38% of the vote.

I endorse LG

yeah I heard that defense before. "My girlfriend is Asian so I cant possibly be prejudiced"

Let me ask you a few simple (yes-no) questions.

Should US restaurants be allowed to accept Mexican money?
Do we need a Law saying English must be the official Language?
Should undocumented Mexicans be allowed to drive?

1. U.S. restaurants should be allowed to accept any form of payment they wish. They can accept bits of string if they so desire; it's their damn business.

2. What the hell do we need an official language for? Everything is conducted in English; making it an official language is just some dick-waving measure by nationalist jerks who want to deliver a colossal "Up yours!" to immigrants, especially illegals. If there's a good, practical reason to make English the official language, I'm listening. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

3. No, nor should they be allowed to do much of anythign else. Documented Mexicans? Sure.

The fact remains that the number of votes a candidate gets is demonstrably irrelevant. Mathematically, you could still win a two candidate race for President with as little as 38% of the vote.

Assuming every person votes (which I know isn't even close to true, but let's assume that even the littlest, tiniest babies vote) then you could win the election by carrying every state but California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona, the 11 states with the highest populations per electoral vote. There are roughly 164 million people in those 11 states. If you lost every single vote in those states and picked up 51% of the other 39 states, which would equal 70 million votes or so, you would lose the popular vote by worse than a 3-1 margin but win based on the electoral college.

And God, I hope someone does, just to fuck the system all to hell.