NationStates Jolt Archive

Vang Khang was awakened by strangers breaking down his back door in the middle of the night. Fearing the worst he grabbed his gun and fired a warning shot through his bedroom door. That's when all hell broke loose and the cops tried to kill what they now admit was an innocent man trying to defend his family from what he thought may have been gang members. Yes, that's right, the Mpls police had gotten a search warrant for the wrong house. Police broke into and shot up the wrong house in the wee hours of this past Sunday morning. Doesn't this sort of thing just inspire confidence in the Minneapolis police? Oh yeah, tit unrelated.

'Bad Information' Led to Mpls Officers' Shootings (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=26D457BA028664223E44C746134740EC?contentId=5232559&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1). Family says warrant was flawed in police invasion (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5236159&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1).

Not the first time this mistake has happened.

With the restitution this guy gets I am sure he can buy new linoleum floors.

The no-knock warrant is very controversial even among police officers. *nod*

The no-knock warrant is very controversial even among police officers. *nod*

Just seems like a bad idea to sneak up on people...*shrug*

Once again a flaw in the no-knock warrant is highlighted.

Just seems like a bad idea to sneak up on people...*shrug*Only if they're armed.

I suppose this ugly episode could have been avoided if there were no guns in the first place?
Or is that the wrong assumption?
Is it, the person who should be punished for shooting. Or punished for owning the gun?

1) gangs breaking into your house?!
2) inaccurate maps FTW!

I suppose this ugly episode could have been avoided if there were no guns in the first place?

probably but thats beyond the point :p

I suppose this ugly episode could have been avoided if there were no guns in the first place?
The whole episode could have been avoided if the police were compitent and weren't serving a no-knock warrant in the middle of the night with guns drawn while they smashed this poor families windows and kicked in their back door. If you've ever lived in or near Murderapolis then you'd probably want a gun in your home and you'd probably not trust the city's cops all that much. What I find most infuriating about this is that the MPD says that it wasn't their fault, that they just had bad information. If you're breaking down doors, smashing windows, and shooting up the wrong house then it is your fault. If this was done by the book then you need to throw the damn book away.

Or is that the wrong assumption?
Yes, it is.

Is it, the person who should be punished for shooting. Or punished for owning the gun?
Owning a gun in America is not a crime. Police attacking an innocent man and his family in the middle of the night is but internal investigations never really lead to any arrests and the city won't even apoliogize for what happened.

1) gangs breaking into your house?!
To steal your stuff so they have a steady cash flow. Crime, contrary to what some would have you believe, does pay until you get caught.

'Course, the cops like to do that too. When my grandmother's cabin was broken into when I was a kid a lot of valuable stuff was stolen. The local sheriff caught the guy and recovered all of the stolen property (ours and others) and it was used to convict him. After the trial my parents and grandma went to reclaim their stuff but the sheriff said it had disapeared from the evidence locker. What do you do in that situation, call the cops?

Cops are also into drugs. An Austin police captain has been charged with 5th degree possession (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5247438&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1). And suprise, suprise, it was obtained from an evidence locker.

I suppose this ugly episode could have been avoided if there were no guns in the first place?
I used to keep a loaded crossbow under my bed. And it was a homemade crossbow.

So no. People will find a way to defend their homes.

I used to keep a loaded crossbow under my bed. .


Doesnt that just arm the Monsters?

well, I'll wait for the offical report from the police. if the warrant was for the wrong house... then the police should be paying for the repairs.

however, did Vang Khang call the police when he awoke to the noise of the break in? a recorded 911 call could be used to show that he did act in self defense (not saying he didn't.)

just glad that no one was seriously hurt.

To steal your stuff so they have a steady cash flow. Crime, contrary to what some would have you believe, does pay until you get caught.

America has armed gangs breaking into peoples homes :eek:

heard the hours for crime suck though

'Course, the cops like to do that too. When my grandmother's cabin was broken into when I was a kid a lot of valuable stuff was stolen. The local sheriff caught the guy and recovered all of the stolen property (ours and others) and it was used to convict him. After the trial my parents and grandma went to reclaim their stuff but the sheriff said it had disapeared from the evidence locker. What do you do in that situation, call the cops?

no a lawyer...or home insurance...or the nearest police auction (which is the best bet of where the evidence would of went)

Cops are also into drugs. An Austin police captain has been charged with 5th degree possession (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5247438&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1). And suprise, suprise, it was obtained from an evidence locker.

you mean...COPS R HUMANZ!!!1

America has armed gangs breaking into peoples homes :eek:


Just like the UK

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6981252.stm)
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6900893.stm)
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1262310.stm)

no a lawyer...or home insurance...or the nearest police auction (which is the best bet of where the evidence would of went)
The sheriff had stolen our things from the evidence locker. Stolen property goes back to the people it belongs to; seized property, that belonging to the theif, get's auctioned. The point of that little tale was that the sheriff was corrupt and that this sort of behavior from police does not suprise me at all.

Just like the UK

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6981252.stm)
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6900893.stm)
Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/1262310.stm)

because of these 3 examples summing up a total of over 6 years apart I will forever live in fear

The sheriff had stolen our things from the evidence locker.

he had!? I demand evidence and one of those lawyer firms on the phone

Stolen property goes back to the people it belongs to; seized property, that belonging to the theif, get's auctioned.

actually its more property that hasn't been claimed

The point of that little tale was that the sheriff was corrupt and that this sort of behavior from police does not suprise me at all.

yes one drug scandal immediately means the whole police force is high on glue

actually its more property that hasn't been claimed
Rightful owners have first grab rights to stolen property. Since my parents and grandmother attempted to reclaim their property right after the trial it seems unlikely that it had been auctioned off. From what my dad tells me (I was only a kid at the time) it was far more likely that the evidence locker had been raided by the sheriff and/or his deputies.

yes one drug scandal immediately means the whole police force is high on glue
No, it doesn't. But it is easy to see how someone charged with enforcing the law could break it and try to get away with it. If a cop decided to write you a fine for a crime you didn't commit who would you call, the cops?

The thing that sets this incident apart from fake tickets and evidence theft is that the police's mistake almost got a family killed and they don't see a big problem with that, they say they did everything by the book and that it was their informant that screwed up.

Rightful owners have first grab rights to stolen property. Since my parents and grandmother attempted to reclaim their property right after the trial it seems unlikely that it had been auctioned off. From what my dad tells me (I was only a kid at the time) it was far more likely that the evidence locker had been raided by the sheriff and/or his deputies.

pfft you seem to think that evidence is easy to raid, which it isn't due to all the procedure thats used to guarantee fair trials and such

No, it doesn't. But it is easy to see how someone charged with enforcing the law could break it and try to get away with it. If a cop decided to write you a fine for a crime you didn't commit who would you call, the cops?

1) no, since police go through a fairly thorough selection process and procedures such as traveling in pairs (legal requirement to make any sort of action)

2) for any charges to be pressed there has to be substantial evidence in a court of law which is the place you go to anyway when you feel a wrong was done

The thing that sets this incident apart from fake tickets and evidence theft is that the police's mistake almost got a family killed and they don't see a big problem with that, they say they did everything by the book and that it was their informant that screwed up.

I can however see why it was done, for such claims to be made you really need for the case to be finished first and all the fact out

for all we know the police could of been hunting a man who has a history of immediately shooting anyone who knocks the door

because of these 3 examples summing up a total of over 6 years apart I will forever live in fear



Just a quick sample of the first few I found through google