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Things that make you go "huh?"

Zilam
16-12-2007, 20:52
For example, something that has bothered me for the last 10 years of my life is how Brett Favre's last name is pronouced "Farve"...Yes, somehow Favre= Farve in speaking. :confused::confused:

What are some things that make you go "Huh?"
Lunatic Goofballs
16-12-2007, 20:57
Maple syrup. I want to know who first sucked on some tree goo in the middle of January and said, "Mmm... this is pretty good" and managed to convince other people to try it too.
Dododecapod
16-12-2007, 21:00
Maple syrup. I want to know who first sucked on some tree goo in the middle of January and said, "Mmm... this is pretty good" and managed to convince other people to try it too.

I feel much the same way about Tequila...
Skaladora
16-12-2007, 21:01
Maple syrup. I want to know who first sucked on some tree goo in the middle of January and said, "Mmm... this is pretty good" and managed to convince other people to try it too.

Actually, it's in March/April.

...

And go ask the Native Americans. They're the ones who showed us how to make it.
The Ministry of Shadow
16-12-2007, 21:05
Milk, who was the first one to go
"Gee, I think I'll squeeze those dangly things down there and drink whatever comes out.", Was it a dare maybe?

"Hey buddy, I'll dare you to go squeeze that cow over there and drink the first thing that comes out of it."

No, I know, it was some mad ruler's punishment.

"As punishment, you will drink the white flowing liquid of yon cow."


The world, may never know.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
16-12-2007, 21:07
Maple syrup. I want to know who first sucked on some tree goo in the middle of January and said, "Mmm... this is pretty good" and managed to convince other people to try it too.

Ugh, the tree goo tastes horrible, you have to boil it and to all the other stuff before it tastes good.
Empire of Tau
16-12-2007, 21:08
How did we manage to develop a language and how do we know its meaning? I always wondered how we managed to assign words to things and know their meaning. Maybe I'm just running in circles, who knows.
Marrakech II
16-12-2007, 21:39
When I first starting reading NSG general. :p
Marrakech II
16-12-2007, 21:40
How did we manage to develop a language and how do we know its meaning? I always wondered how we managed to assign words to things and know their meaning. Maybe I'm just running in circles, who knows.

Probably the same way that babies assign items sounds.
Domici
16-12-2007, 21:46
How did we manage to develop a language and how do we know its meaning? I always wondered how we managed to assign words to things and know their meaning. Maybe I'm just running in circles, who knows.

Even chimps do that. Almost all social animals have different sounds that mean different things. Even cats, who really don't like to spend much time with each other when they don't have to, still have sounds that mean things.

Prairie dogs have one alarm sound that means "strange animal," another that means "dangerous animal on the ground," and another that means "dangerous animal in the sky." They also have calls for help and calls to share food.

The more intelligent an animal gets the more calls it will be able to recognize and produce, and the better the species does. After all, don't prairie dogs gain an advantage by not running scared every time a new animal approaches, but waits until they spot a dangerous one? More time to eat and less energy wasted.

Language wasn't invented, it just grew with us.
The Vuhifellian States
16-12-2007, 21:50
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?
Transatlas
16-12-2007, 21:52
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

It came naturally.
Blahlana
16-12-2007, 21:53
Why the world has been doing nothing about the genocide in Darfur.

That's bothersome.
Unlucky_and_unbiddable
16-12-2007, 21:55
Why the world has been doing nothing about the genocide in Darfur.

That's bothersome.

Quoted for truth. :(
Chumblywumbly
16-12-2007, 21:56
How did we manage to develop a language and how do we know its meaning?
Our brains are ‘hardwired’ into a language instinct.

It’s like asking, “how do we know how to breath?” It’s a natural process.


Milk, who was the first one to go
“Gee, I think I’ll squeeze those dangly things down there and drink whatever comes out.”
Anybody who could recognise a nipple when they saw it. It’s not as if milk doesn’t come from other sources...

Humans were drinking milk long before we domesticated and modified cattle.
Enlightened Worlds
16-12-2007, 22:11
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

I've always wondered about that too.
[NS]Click Stand
16-12-2007, 22:12
Who decided to try salt, I mean its in a rock.
Kyronea
16-12-2007, 22:16
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545493
Mad hatters in jeans
16-12-2007, 22:16
Well i don't have many things i'm confused over, i just make up some insane story that must explain it and move on.
What i don't understand is why fire goes upwards and not down with gravity, i think it is something to do with more oxygen upwards but i really don't know? and how does electricity jump or travel through some materials faster than others?
Also how did they create nuclear energy, and how did they come up with the idea of it, was it something to do with smashing the atom?

Or why do mirrors reflect things, or water for that matter, is it to do with uniformed surface tension?

What is "heavy" water?

How many dimensions are there?, i have heard different answers to this some say 4 others 7 others 11. I know the 7 is length,breadth, depth, mass, time, volume, and point of origin. But i only heard that from a friend.

or why is there different dimensions?

What evidence is there for an alternate universe theory?

What evidence suggests god exists? ( i know some of these, but i'm interested to hear what you think)
If there is evidence to a god then what is the purpose of god?

Does anyone know what happens to you after you die? (other than religious reasons)

Why do planets have gravity? (i know it's because they spin but then it must work in something in the universe)

What is the space made up of between planets? (i heard it's nothing but if thats the case then how can planets just float about)

Why is George Bush president of United States Of America?

Can you taste light, or hear the travel of light particles?

What types of radiation travel through everything?

Do black or white holes exist? if so what evidence is there?

Why do stars burn? how can they burn if there is no oxygen, do they burn on other stuff? And why don't they burn out instantly?

What is the name of that scientific thing made in umm switzerland i think that mashes atoms together at very high speed, where one atom moves the other moves in sympathy?

Why are wars still fought even though there's been hundreds, thousands over the years?

Why do humans feel pain, not how why, what's the purpose surely a little response letting us know there's a problem is more useful than sheer agony of e.g. slipping a disc or giving birth?

If god did make the universe why did he make viruses?

Are humans just a clever sort of virus? a sort of computer programme written by some god thing, that went horribly wrong?

Is it possible to have a fear of gravity, not just hights gravity?

can anyone answer these questions for me?
If you do i'll give you lots of karma doughnuts (or whatever your favourite food is).
Ashmoria
16-12-2007, 22:19
Even chimps do that. Almost all social animals have different sounds that mean different things. Even cats, who really don't like to spend much time with each other when they don't have to, still have sounds that mean things.

Prairie dogs have one alarm sound that means "strange animal," another that means "dangerous animal on the ground," and another that means "dangerous animal in the sky." They also have calls for help and calls to share food.

The more intelligent an animal gets the more calls it will be able to recognize and produce, and the better the species does. After all, don't prairie dogs gain an advantage by not running scared every time a new animal approaches, but waits until they spot a dangerous one? More time to eat and less energy wasted.

Language wasn't invented, it just grew with us.

in the book "the descent of woman" the author suggested that language was a byproduct of our distant ancestors living on the shore instead of on the savannah

when looking across the savannah for prey/predators all that is required is a grunt of happiness or alarm and anyone who looks can see what is up. when looking into the water for fish/shellfish/predators only the looker can see what is there. so it requires more finesse of grunt to let those who cant see the same thing know what is been seen.

she suggested that the first word would have been one meaning "FISH". the second word would have been one meaning "you idiot".
Ashmoria
16-12-2007, 22:21
Anybody who could recognise a nipple when they saw it. It’s not as if milk doesn’t come from other sources...

Humans were drinking milk long before we domesticated and modified cattle.

yeah likelihood is that an untended hungry child decided to try what the lamb was having.
Ashmoria
16-12-2007, 22:24
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

they did what they saw everyone else was doing.
Isidoor
16-12-2007, 22:29
snip

huh? are you serious about most of these questions?

they did what they saw everyone else was doing.

I don't know, if someone is never exposed to sex, would they know how to do it?
Mad hatters in jeans
16-12-2007, 22:32
huh? are you serious about most of these questions?



I don't know, if someone is never exposed to sex, would they know how to do it?

I can't help being curious, i notice how most other people assume things and just ignore them or joke about them, yes i am being perfectly serious about them, but i wouldn't mind if you joked about them, i like to think i'm an open minded sort of guy.
As for the sex thing it's built into your genes of what to do, like crying or laughing your don't think "hmm i know i like that joke lets laugh about it", or i know i'll cry for a bit just to dry away the tears.
Voxio
16-12-2007, 22:33
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

Because the cavewoman kept saying no.
Ashmoria
16-12-2007, 22:38
I don't know, if someone is never exposed to sex, would they know how to do it?

that being a different question from how a caveman would know what to do...

the instinct to stick one's penis into things would probably lead to the impregnation of a willing female partner.

besides we are surrounded with examples of sex in the animal kingdom. wouldnt that lead some poor soul who has been raised away from other people the idea of what is done?
Ashmoria
16-12-2007, 22:40
Well i don't have many things i'm confused over, i just make up some insane story that must explain it and move on.
What i don't understand is why fire goes upwards and not down with gravity, i think it is something to do with more oxygen upwards but i really don't know? and how does electricity jump or travel through some materials faster than others?
Also how did they create nuclear energy, and how did they come up with the idea of it, was it something to do with smashing the atom?

Or why do mirrors reflect things, or water for that matter, is it to do with uniformed surface tension?

What is "heavy" water?

How many dimensions are there?, i have heard different answers to this some say 4 others 7 others 11. I know the 7 is length,breadth, depth, mass, time, volume, and point of origin. But i only heard that from a friend.

or why is there different dimensions?

What evidence is there for an alternate universe theory?

What evidence suggests god exists? ( i know some of these, but i'm interested to hear what you think)
If there is evidence to a god then what is the purpose of god?

Does anyone know what happens to you after you die? (other than religious reasons)

Why do planets have gravity? (i know it's because they spin but then it must work in something in the universe)

What is the space made up of between planets? (i heard it's nothing but if thats the case then how can planets just float about)

Why is George Bush president of United States Of America?

Can you taste light, or hear the travel of light particles?

What types of radiation travel through everything?

Do black or white holes exist? if so what evidence is there?

Why do stars burn? how can they burn if there is no oxygen, do they burn on other stuff? And why don't they burn out instantly?

What is the name of that scientific thing made in umm switzerland i think that mashes atoms together at very high speed, where one atom moves the other moves in sympathy?

Why are wars still fought even though there's been hundreds, thousands over the years?

Why do humans feel pain, not how why, what's the purpose surely a little response letting us know there's a problem is more useful than sheer agony of e.g. slipping a disc or giving birth?

If god did make the universe why did he make viruses?

Are humans just a clever sort of virus? a sort of computer programme written by some god thing, that went horribly wrong?

Is it possible to have a fear of gravity, not just hights gravity?

can anyone answer these questions for me?
If you do i'll give you lots of karma doughnuts (or whatever your favourite food is).

wow i hope youre young

you need to start taking some science classes and PAY ATTENTION.
Sarkhaan
16-12-2007, 22:42
Well i don't have many things i'm confused over, i just make up some insane story that must explain it and move on.
What i don't understand is why fire goes upwards and not down with gravity, i think it is something to do with more oxygen upwards but i really don't know? Heat rises. Fire is just a concentrated area of heat. Oxygen isn't the only thing that enables fire.

and how does electricity jump or travel through some materials faster than others?resistance. has to do with the atomic structure.

Or why do mirrors reflect things, or water for that matter, is it to do with uniformed surface tension?Again, the pysical properties of the atoms and molecules. Water varies by where the source of light is (look up Albedo)

How many dimensions are there?, i have heard different answers to this some say 4 others 7 others 11. I know the 7 is length,breadth, depth, mass, time, volume, and point of origin. But i only heard that from a friend.four known. Volume can't be a dimension, as that is just the combination of length, width, and depth. Mass isn't one, that is irrelevant to the concept of dimension, and entirely independent. Point of origin is a nonsense term, essentially. It is no different from any other point, except we give it more weight.

Why do planets have gravity? (i know it's because they spin but then it must work in something in the universe)We don't know where gravity comes from. It has nothing to do with spinning. Everything has gravity.


Why do humans feel pain, not how why, what's the purpose surely a little response letting us know there's a problem is more useful than sheer agony of e.g. slipping a disc or giving birth?alerts the person that something is wrong. Intense pain forces faster reaction (hand on a warm plate does not cause the same level of pain as on a very hot one, therefore, the reaction is different)
Isidoor
16-12-2007, 23:14
I can't help being curious, i notice how most other people assume things and just ignore them or joke about them, yes i am being perfectly serious about them, but i wouldn't mind if you joked about them, i like to think i'm an open minded sort of guy.

ok, I'll try to answer some of them.


What i don't understand is why fire goes upwards and not down with gravity, i think it is something to do with more oxygen upwards but i really don't know?

The flame you see is a result of the oxidative reaction which takes place when something burns. A lot of heat is also produced. Hot gases have lower density, and therefore go upwards (think of a hot air balloon). That's why flames seem to move upwards.

Also how did they create nuclear energy, and how did they come up with the idea of it, was it something to do with smashing the atom?

An atom is built up from different smaller particles which are held together by a very powerful force which is released when those particles are separated.


Or why do mirrors reflect things, or water for that matter, is it to do with uniformed surface tension?


it has something to do with waves (light) slowing down or moving faster when they travel from one medium to another. At certain angles they don't move trough the medium but are reflected.


What is "heavy" water?


water which contains a lot of deuterium


How many dimensions are there?, i have heard different answers to this some say 4 others 7 others 11. I know the 7 is length,breadth, depth, mass, time, volume, and point of origin. But i only heard that from a friend.

or why is there different dimensions?


this is a hard one for someone like me who doesn't know a lot about physics. But it boils down to: nobody really knows. There are at least 4 we can easily perceive (the 3 dimensions of space and time). We are unable to perceive the others and basically they are invented by physicists to help them make difficult theories.


What evidence is there for an alternate universe theory?


none that i know of.


What evidence suggests god exists? ( i know some of these, but i'm interested to hear what you think)

there is none


If there is evidence to a god then what is the purpose of god?


no and none


Does anyone know what happens to you after you die? (other than religious reasons)

you rot in the ground or are burned or mummified.


Why do planets have gravity? (i know it's because they spin but then it must work in something in the universe)

Everything that has a mass has gravity. two objects with a mass always attract each other. You might not see it but you're constantly attracting everything around you, even the earth. But it has little effect since you have little mass, the earth has a high mass and therefore attracts you better (gravity), the moon has less mass and therefore there is less gravity on the moon.



What is the space made up of between planets? (i heard it's nothing but if thats the case then how can planets just float about)

wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar)

Why is George Bush president of United States Of America?

he won the elections



Can you taste light, or hear the travel of light particles?

no



What types of radiation travel through everything?

I don't know, maybe neutrino's.



Do black or white holes exist? if so what evidence is there?

Don't know enough about it from the top of my head, look on the internet



Why do stars burn? how can they burn if there is no oxygen, do they burn on other stuff? And why don't they burn out instantly?

it's basically a lot of nuclear fusion reactions going on, they don't burn out instantly because there is a lot of 'fuel'



What is the name of that scientific thing made in umm switzerland i think that mashes atoms together at very high speed, where one atom moves the other moves in sympathy?

I can't remember it right now, google it




Why are wars still fought even though there's been hundreds, thousands over the years?


people wanting power mostly


Why do humans feel pain, not how why, what's the purpose surely a little response letting us know there's a problem is more useful than sheer agony of e.g. slipping a disc or giving birth?


a little response wouldn't be good enough, that's why we really hate bad things and are totally ecstatic when good things happen.


If god did make the universe why did he make viruses?


he didn't make the universe, nor did he make viruses


Are humans just a clever sort of virus? a sort of computer programme written by some god thing, that went horribly wrong?

no



Is it possible to have a fear of gravity, not just hights gravity?


I don't know, but I doubt it, I guess it would be more logical if someone was afraid of lack of gravity.


can anyone answer these questions for me?
If you do i'll give you lots of karma doughnuts (or whatever your favourite food is).

done, probably not totally correct, but I did my best. This must be the longest post I ever wrote, you're lucky I was bored. You should also learn how to use wiki and google.

As for the sex thing it's built into your genes of what to do, like crying or laughing your don't think "hmm i know i like that joke lets laugh about it", or i know i'll cry for a bit just to dry away the tears.

I guess you're right, although sex seems a little bit more complex than laughing or crying
Isidoor
16-12-2007, 23:18
that being a different question from how a caveman would know what to do...

the instinct to stick one's penis into things would probably lead to the impregnation of a willing female partner.

besides we are surrounded with examples of sex in the animal kingdom. wouldnt that lead some poor soul who has been raised away from other people the idea of what is done?

It's just a thought experiment so lets pretend he didn't see other animals do it either. I guess he would still know how to do it, as it is fairly instinctive (don't small children instinctively masturbate?).
The_pantless_hero
16-12-2007, 23:28
Click Stand;13297267']Who decided to try salt, I mean its in a rock.

Some people just really like licking stuff...

Anybody who could recognise a nipple when they saw it. It’s not as if milk doesn’t come from other sources...

Humans were drinking milk long before we domesticated and modified cattle.
I demand to know how an udder looks like a breast.
Extreme Ironing
16-12-2007, 23:31
Other people often don't make sense to me. There are lots of subjects I would have no clue about, but that doesn't bother me as I don't expect to know anything about them; however, I've known lots of people throughout my life and they still do things that I totally don't understand.

Snip horrendous amount of simple questions

Wiki is your friend, try reading some articles.
Mad hatters in jeans
16-12-2007, 23:58
To the people who were kind enough to answer my questions i thank you.:D
I understand that most of them are simple, and yes i could have used google or wikipedia which i will do for some of them, i just wanted to chat. I dunno it's the internet why not work out what other people think rather than their oh so witty responses.:mad:
I apologise for the amount of questions, i was pretty bored trying to put off revision.:p
Another justification for a horrificly long post is i often take a philosophical view on things and twist stuff more than a thumbscrew. I could start a science versus religion debate but i don't want to divert the thread.:)
Another small point if you don't like my post don't respond to it, then i'd get the message just as well.:sniper:
Darknovae
17-12-2007, 00:02
Why the world has been doing nothing about the genocide in Darfur.

That's bothersome.

Actually the UN has aid workers there, and nobody can deploy troops because of America's (read Bush's) terrorist-phobia. Unfortunately the aid system is about to collapse, and still nobody dares to put troops in there, because the Sudanese president (read douchebag) threatens the rest of us (read America) with terrorists and terrorist groups. Though he's already working with terrorists, liek the Janjaweed. I'm in the Anti-Genocide Coalition at my school and we're helping out in any way we can, which is hard because my school is run by fascists. :(




On topic with the thread however, why the hell is "Sweet Home Alabama" always playing in KFC (which, as we all know, is Kentucky Fried Chicken) commercials? That bugs the hell out of me. :headbang:
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 00:06
When people say that I'm pretty. What's the point of that?
Verdigroth
17-12-2007, 00:08
Why the world has been doing nothing about the genocide in Darfur.

That's bothersome.

I would like to know why the world should care about the genocide in Darfur. It could be argued it is a problem for those in Darfur and not anywhere else. It is a shame that people die..but it is a world of natural selection. Apparently someone is lending some clorox to the region to see which people are worth continuing on. Genocide isn't something that leaps out of me as inherently bad. Look back on history most likely you are here because your ancestors were killing others. Don't get me wrong it sucks and all..but these things happen in history.
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:10
When people say that I'm pretty. What's the point of that?

It's a compliment.
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 00:13
It's a compliment.

But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:13
I would like to know why the world should care about the genocide in Darfur. It could be argued it is a problem for those in Darfur and not anywhere else. It is a shame that people die..but it is a world of natural selection. Apparently someone is lending some clorox to the region to see which people are worth continuing on. Genocide isn't something that leaps out of me as inherently bad. Look back on history most likely you are here because your ancestors were killing others. Don't get me wrong it sucks and all..but these things happen in history.

I find this statement rather horrifying. In history, yes there have been many wars and much killing, but little of it has been the systematic slaughter of a group of people because of some arbitrary quality they possess that the killers didn't like. In Darfur, the separation of tribes was in part invented by the Belgian colonials, so yes, they should take an interest in something they've caused. And so should everyone else, needless slaughter is not a good thing.
Imperio Mexicano
17-12-2007, 00:16
In Darfur, the separation of tribes was in part invented by the Belgian colonials, so yes, they should take an interest in something they've caused.

Sudan was never a Belgian colony...
Verdigroth
17-12-2007, 00:17
I find this statement rather horrifying. In history, yes there have been many wars and much killing, but little of it has been the systematic slaughter of a group of people because of some arbitrary quality they possess that the killers didn't like. In Darfur, the separation of tribes was in part invented by the Belgian colonials, so yes, they should take an interest in something they've caused. And so should everyone else, needless slaughter is not a good thing.

Obviously there is some need for it such as limited resources or a system of government that requires scapegoats due to the way it is run. The best thing for those getting slaughtered is to start fighting back. Life is not a right...you have to be able to fight for your right to live. My advice for the oppressed would be to start systematically targeting those in charge of the government. That is why, digressing a bit, I don't understand why Bin Laden took out what he did on Sept 11. With a little more work he could have infiltrated into the FAA and got a copy of Air Force One's flight plan, then it would have been a simple matter of crashing a plane into that. Citizens of the US don't make policy. People removed distantly from reality do...so if you want to change it you have to take them out or make them feel your pain.
Ashmoria
17-12-2007, 00:20
It's just a thought experiment so lets pretend he didn't see other animals do it either. I guess he would still know how to do it, as it is fairly instinctive (don't small children instinctively masturbate?).

he wouldnt know what to do but he would know what feels good.

if he were with a willing partner who was also dedicated to wanting it to feel good, they would figure out a mutually satisfying routine.

you cant know just what they might end up doing. much of what is common today is not .... obvious?... but rather it relies on "word of mouth"
Dashanzi
17-12-2007, 00:20
Marylebone = mar-lee-bone
Holborn = ho-burn
Belvoir = beaver

What?
Darknovae
17-12-2007, 00:21
I would like to know why the world should care about the genocide in Darfur. It could be argued it is a problem for those in Darfur and not anywhere else. It is a shame that people die..but it is a world of natural selection. Apparently someone is lending some clorox to the region to see which people are worth continuing on. Genocide isn't something that leaps out of me as inherently bad. Look back on history most likely you are here because your ancestors were killing others. Don't get me wrong it sucks and all..but these things happen in history.

Since when was genocide "natural selection"? Natural selection is, well, natural, not done by man. You are quite ignorant if you think rescinding our promise that we made after the Holocaust- "never again"- is anything like "natural selection". Is it causing harm to the United States or any country other than Sudan in any way? No. Is it taking the lives of millions of innocent people who are being persecuted by the same sort of people who run Afghanistan, Iran, and Saudi Arabia? Yes! It is yet another Holocaust, only there is no Nazi Party, there is no Hitler Youth kids being drafted to the front lines, no Adolf Hitler, no Auschwitz and Buchenwald and Dachau, nor is it in a developed nation in Europe, but it's Islamic extremists invading and bombing and burning the villages of innocent African tribespeople and Christians, backed by an Islamic extremist government, and neglected by everyone else because "it's not that bad, they're not threatening anybody except themselves". This is exactly what killed the Jews and homosexuals and blacks and non-Aryans, the apathy and the ignorant belief in so-called "natural selection"! And this is exactly what is killing the innocent people in Darfur!
Dundee-Fienn
17-12-2007, 00:21
But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?

They don't know you well enough to know that you don't find beauty important
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:22
Sudan was never a Belgian colony...

Apologises, thinking of Rwanda.
Vontanas
17-12-2007, 00:24
I find this statement rather horrifying. In history, yes there have been many wars and much killing, but little of it has been the systematic slaughter of a group of people because of some arbitrary quality they possess that the killers didn't like. In Darfur, the separation of tribes was in part invented by the Belgian colonials, so yes, they should take an interest in something they've caused. And so should everyone else, needless slaughter is not a good thing.

Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Genocide isn't good, but we can't jump to the rescue everytime there's a genocide. That would be imperialism.
Dundee-Fienn
17-12-2007, 00:25
Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Worldwide (in)stability does affect Europe or America
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:26
But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?

It is subjective. If you don't think beauty is important, then tell them you think like that. It is normal to consider beauty a good thing so people will talk of it if they don't know your thoughts on it.
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 00:27
It is subjective. If you don't think beauty is important, then tell them you think like that. It is normal to consider beauty a good thing so people will talk of it if they don't know your thoughts on it.

That's another thing that makes me say "huh?". Why do people think beauty is important, anyway?
Verdigroth
17-12-2007, 00:27
Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Genocide isn't good, but we can't jump to the rescue everytime there's a genocide. That would be imperialism.

Amen
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:28
Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Genocide isn't good, but we can't jump to the rescue everytime there's a genocide. That would be imperialism.

Perhaps if single countries started doing it then it would be called imperialism, but not if the UN did it.
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 00:32
That's another thing that makes me say "huh?". Why do people think beauty is important, anyway?

Beautiful people are statistically more likely to have better paid jobs in higher positions given the same level of intelligence. It may not be a nice thing that our society is so hooked on beauty, but it's a extension from evolutionary instincts that equate beauty with healthy and fertile. We are pre-programmed to like beauty.
Vontanas
17-12-2007, 00:33
Perhaps if single countries started doing it then it would be called imperialism, but not if the UN did it.

Don't get me started on the UN. Great idea, horrible implementation. The only way to make the UN effective is to make it a loose federation, which would be unacceptable to many nations on the grounds of national sovereignty.

Anyways, the African Union should primarily be handling this all, with support from UN nations outside of the African Union.
Darknovae
17-12-2007, 00:34
Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Genocide isn't good, but we can't jump to the rescue everytime there's a genocide. That would be imperialism.

The world is overpopulated THANKS to first-world nations. And if the world actually did something about stopping genocide rather than fighting terrorism, then this wouldn't be an issue.

And it's not imperialism if the UN is doing it.
CthulhuFhtagn
17-12-2007, 00:36
That's another thing that makes me say "huh?". Why do people think beauty is important, anyway?

Beauty is linked mostly to facial symmetry. Facial symmetry is linked to lack of various health problems. Lack of various health problems is linked to health. Health is linked to ability to produce offspring.
Verdigroth
17-12-2007, 00:38
The world is overpopulated THANKS to first-world nations.

Actually if you look at it developing nations are much more fertile than the what I assume you refer to as first-world nations. China and India are good examples as well as many African countries whose populations are greater than what their land can provide for. If you are mad at North America and Europe because they have surpluses when it comes to food you are just making sour grapes over nothing.
The Vuhifellian States
17-12-2007, 00:47
Why isn't there a spoon?

(Check out CthulhuFhtagn's sig)
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 00:47
Beauty is linked mostly to facial symmetry. Facial symmetry is linked to lack of various health problems. Lack of various health problems is linked to health. Health is linked to ability to produce offspring.

Why don't they just say I look healthy then? And I don't get why the last one should be something people should compliment random people about.

Beautiful people are statistically more likely to have better paid jobs in higher positions given the same level of intelligence. It may not be a nice thing that our society is so hooked on beauty, but it's a extension from evolutionary instincts that equate beauty with healthy and fertile. We are pre-programmed to like beauty.

That's not fair! :mad:
Dundee-Fienn
17-12-2007, 00:48
That's not fair! :mad:

Very difficult to change unfortunately
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 01:19
Why don't they just say I look healthy then? And I don't get why the last one should be something people should compliment random people about.

Unfortunately, 'healthy' doesn't seem to be considered as good as 'beautiful' in the mainstream.

That's not fair! :mad:

Meh, life's not fair. I would give you a fluffle, but I don't think you'd appreciate it.

Why isn't there a spoon?

(Check out CthulhuFhtagn's sig)

Because weirdly-shaped-head child told us in The Matrix.


EDIT: Off to bed, g'night.
Tornar
17-12-2007, 01:21
I'm canadian so I don't go 'huh?' I go 'eh?'. Though one thing that makes me go 'eh?' is collage men. Why do they make snow genitals?
The Vuhifellian States
17-12-2007, 01:29
Why is the sky blue? Why chocolate milk brown? Why did mommy leave daddy? Why am I asking questions like a retarded fruit peddlar?
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 01:30
Very difficult to change unfortunately

:(
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 01:34
Unfortunately, 'healthy' doesn't seem to be considered as good as 'beautiful' in the mainstream.


But it makes me paranoid.


Meh, life's not fair. I would give you a fluffle, but I don't think you'd appreciate it.


Yeah, but why should being pretty have anything to do with how much money someone makes? That doesn't make any sense!
Sarkhaan
17-12-2007, 01:35
I'm canadian so I don't go 'huh?' I go 'eh?'. Though one thing that makes me go 'eh?' is collage men. Why do they make snow genitals?

because genitals provide us with endless entertainment. Why not make giant ones to continue the fun?
Jinos
17-12-2007, 01:36
Why the world has been doing nothing about the genocide in Darfur.

That's bothersome.

Because there's nothing to be done. No nation can fix it without getting labelled "Imperialist Scumbag"
CthulhuFhtagn
17-12-2007, 01:39
Why isn't there a spoon?

(Check out CthulhuFhtagn's sig)

Because I was too lazy to change my sig after jumping on the bandwagon of making fun of UB's sig.
CthulhuFhtagn
17-12-2007, 01:39
Why don't they just say I look healthy then? And I don't get why the last one should be something people should compliment random people about.

The entire thing is unconscious. It's also not entirely rational.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 01:41
Milk, who was the first one to go
"Gee, I think I'll squeeze those dangly things down there and drink whatever comes out.", Was it a dare maybe?

"Hey buddy, I'll dare you to go squeeze that cow over there and drink the first thing that comes out of it."

No, I know, it was some mad ruler's punishment.

"As punishment, you will drink the white flowing liquid of yon cow."


The world, may never know.

Please refer to my answer on salt.

How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

Instinct

Click Stand;13297267']Who decided to try salt, I mean its in a rock.

One of the key fundamentals of survival is to observe the local wildlife, they will lead you to edible food sources and nutrient rich areas. One of our ancestors, perhaps even not even what we would consider human probably observed an animal licking a salt deposit and then tried it themselves.

When people say that I'm pretty. What's the point of that?

Could be to state a fact, could be they are trying to convince you to mate with them.. could be because they are trying to be nice. Millions of possibilities!

I'm canadian so I don't go 'huh?' I go 'eh?'. Though one thing that makes me go 'eh?' is collage men. Why do they make snow genitals?

Because they want to show how grown up they are! Look ma, I know what a penis is! I'm, learning something!
[NS]Click Stand
17-12-2007, 01:45
One of the key fundamentals of survival is to observe the local wildlife, they will lead you to edible food sources and nutrient rich areas. One of our ancestors, perhaps even not even what we would consider human probably observed an animal licking a salt deposit and then tried it themselves.


By that logic I would like to find the guy who sniffed a dogs ass because he saw another dog do it.
CthulhuFhtagn
17-12-2007, 01:48
Click Stand;13298042']By that logic I would like to find the guy who sniffed a dogs ass because he saw another dog do it.
Rule 34.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 01:49
Click Stand;13298042']By that logic I would like to find the guy who sniffed a dogs ass because he saw another dog do it.

Who knows...
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 01:50
The entire thing is unconscious. It's also not entirely rational.

:(


Could be to state a fact, could be they are trying to convince you to mate with them.. could be because they are trying to be nice. Millions of possibilities!


That makes it really confusing! They could be innocently being nice, so I don't want to be mean to them if that's the case, but they could have sinister motives, so I can't be nice to them. It's a trap. :(
Sarkhaan
17-12-2007, 01:54
:(



That makes it really confusing! They could be innocently being nice, so I don't want to be mean to them if that's the case, but they could have sinister motives, so I can't be nice to them. It's a trap. :(

Or just say "thank you" and move on...
Tongass
17-12-2007, 01:59
This makes me go "Huh?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agriculture_Policy
SaintB
17-12-2007, 02:00
Or just say "thank you" and move on...

I'm in agreance.. and for the record I usually say it to be nice.

The thing that makes me go huh is how irrational people get when in groups.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 02:02
This makes me go "Huh?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agriculture_Policy

huh?
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 02:11
Or just say "thank you" and move on...

But then they like ask all sorts of awkward questions if you're nice to them and they're mean to you.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 02:13
But then they like ask all sorts of awkward questions if you're nice to them and they're mean to you.

Well hon, its called pepper spray...
Deus Malum
17-12-2007, 02:21
Heat rises. Fire is just a concentrated area of heat. Oxygen isn't the only thing that enables fire.

This is completely incorrect.

Fire is not "concentrated heat." It's a chemical process called Combustion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion)
[NS]Click Stand
17-12-2007, 02:24
The thing that makes me go huh is how irrational people get when in groups.

The most dangerous force in the universe is a group of unsupervised teenagers. With increased threat points if alcohol is added.
Sarkhaan
17-12-2007, 02:26
This is completely incorrect.

Fire is not "concentrated heat." It's a chemical process called Combustion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion)

*shrug* not in the mood to go indepth about combustion and oxidizing reactions. Yes, fire is a product of oxidizing reactions that, with enough energy, produce a flame (heat and light). This is simplified by stating the flame itself is a concentrated area of heat. Best choice of words? No. But then, this is NSG, and I'm lazy.
Deus Malum
17-12-2007, 02:33
*shrug* not in the mood to go indepth about combustion and oxidizing reactions. Yes, fire is a product of oxidizing reactions that, with enough energy, produce a flame (heat and light). This is simplified by stating the flame itself is a concentrated area of heat. Best choice of words? No. But then, this is NSG, and I'm lazy.

Fair enough.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 02:35
Click Stand;13298154']The most dangerous force in the universe is a group of unsupervised teenagers. With increased threat points if alcohol is added.

I'm pretty sure that LG without his tacos is far more dangerous...
Upper Botswavia
17-12-2007, 02:39
Of course it's not good, infact it's horrible. However, the world is overpopulated, first world nations should stop policing Africa, or anywhere else outside of their own nation, it doesn't really affect Europe or America, etc.

Genocide isn't good, but we can't jump to the rescue everytime there's a genocide. That would be imperialism.

Exactly. We can only jump in when there is a LOT OF OIL involved. :rolleyes:
Intestinal fluids
17-12-2007, 02:45
How easily all rules of logic are thrown out the window when arguing with a Woman.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-12-2007, 02:45
Ugh, the tree goo tastes horrible, you have to boil it and to all the other stuff before it tastes good.

Which make it all the weirder. :p
Pure Metal
17-12-2007, 02:45
What are some things that make you go "Huh?"

who first decided to make cheese from milk? why? and what about yoghurt, for that matter? :confused:
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 02:46
Well hon, its called pepper spray...

Oh. I don't think pepper spray is allowed at school though.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 02:51
Oh. I don't think pepper spray is allowed at school though.

Nonsense, pepper spray is allowed anywhere as long as nobody knows about it :D
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 02:53
Nonsense, pepper spray is allowed anywhere as long as nobody knows about it :D

But if you have to use it then they'll know about it.
Bann-ed
17-12-2007, 02:54
But if you have to use it then they'll know about it.

Carry around tabasco sauce in some sort of small perfume spray bottle.
SaintB
17-12-2007, 03:03
But if you have to use it then they'll know about it.

Lie?
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 03:11
Lie?

Lie?
Lunatic Goofballs
17-12-2007, 03:13
I'm pretty sure that LG without his tacos is far more dangerous...

It is also a well known fact among my circle of friends and family that I should not be allowed to become bored. My cures for boredom tend to be a bit... rambunctious. :)
Big Jim P
17-12-2007, 03:18
Oh. I don't think pepper spray is allowed at school though.

Then a good, swift kick to the groin will just have to do now won't it?
Sarkhaan
17-12-2007, 03:21
It is also a well known fact among my circle of friends and family that I should not be allowed to become bored. My cures for boredom tend to be a bit... rambunctious. :)

...I was told that same thing tonight. Something about me being destructive and peppering my friend...
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 03:28
Then a good, swift kick to the groin will just have to do now won't it?

I don't think that's allowed either.
The Brevious
17-12-2007, 03:54
Maple syrup. I want to know who first sucked on some tree goo in the middle of January and said, "Mmm... this is pretty good" and managed to convince other people to try it too.

Chickens/eggs? Cows/milk?
Rocky mountain oysters?
Kyronea
17-12-2007, 04:20
But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?

Because to most of us it does matter. It might not matter to you, but it would in general and there's usually no reason to assume you would be an exception until people get to know you.

...how old are you again?
Posi
17-12-2007, 04:24
Well i don't have many things i'm confused over, i just make up some insane story that must explain it and move on.
What i don't understand is why fire goes upwards and not down with gravity, i think it is something to do with more oxygen upwards but i really don't know? and how does electricity jump or travel through some materials faster than others?
Also how did they create nuclear energy, and how did they come up with the idea of it, was it something to do with smashing the atom?

Or why do mirrors reflect things, or water for that matter, is it to do with uniformed surface tension?

What is "heavy" water?

How many dimensions are there?, i have heard different answers to this some say 4 others 7 others 11. I know the 7 is length,breadth, depth, mass, time, volume, and point of origin. But i only heard that from a friend.

or why is there different dimensions?

What evidence is there for an alternate universe theory?

What evidence suggests god exists? ( i know some of these, but i'm interested to hear what you think)
If there is evidence to a god then what is the purpose of god?

Does anyone know what happens to you after you die? (other than religious reasons)

Why do planets have gravity? (i know it's because they spin but then it must work in something in the universe)

What is the space made up of between planets? (i heard it's nothing but if thats the case then how can planets just float about)

Why is George Bush president of United States Of America?

Can you taste light, or hear the travel of light particles?

What types of radiation travel through everything?

Do black or white holes exist? if so what evidence is there?

Why do stars burn? how can they burn if there is no oxygen, do they burn on other stuff? And why don't they burn out instantly?

What is the name of that scientific thing made in umm switzerland i think that mashes atoms together at very high speed, where one atom moves the other moves in sympathy?

Why are wars still fought even though there's been hundreds, thousands over the years?

Why do humans feel pain, not how why, what's the purpose surely a little response letting us know there's a problem is more useful than sheer agony of e.g. slipping a disc or giving birth?

If god did make the universe why did he make viruses?

Are humans just a clever sort of virus? a sort of computer programme written by some god thing, that went horribly wrong?

Is it possible to have a fear of gravity, not just hights gravity?

can anyone answer these questions for me?
If you do i'll give you lots of karma doughnuts (or whatever your favourite food is).Fire goes up because it is gas that has been heated to the point that it emits light. As gases heat up, they become less dense. Less dense objects will float on top of denser fluids.

I've heard 10 is the best number we have so far. The 4 easily understandable dimensions are length, width, height, and time. If there was only one dimension, things could move in only two directions: Forward and Backward.

Not much evidence for alternate universes. We can't really find out what is outside of our own.

A couple of books.

You rot in the ground. Or you burn up in a fire. Or a bunch of scientists dissect you.

Planets do not have gravity because they spin. Everything that has a mass has gravity. The more mass, the more gravity. Planets have allot of mass, so they have allot of gravity. Gravity is however a very weak force, so allot of gravity is still not very much force.

There is basically nothing between the planets. There is some dust, and garbage that we put there, but not much. It is the only way the planets can just float about. If there was something there, it would cause friction on the planets, and they would slowly stop moving. Remember, planets have allot of gravity, so they pull most of the junk into them.

Because the Americans voted for him. Twice.

Nope. Taste is caused by taste buds undergoing chemical reactions with food particles. Different taste buds react with different particles in your food (sweet buds react with sugars, sour with acids, etc). Sound is changes in air pressure causing a thin flap of skin to expand out or contract. This moves some bones, and this movement is detected by a specialize organ. Light particles do not react with atoms, and they cannot make that flap of skin contract/expand noticeably, so no you cannot hear or taste sound.

High frequency particles (ie Gamma Radiation) can travel through the most.

White holes make matter out of nothing, a contradiction of the laws of thermodynamics. The do not exists. Black holes most probably exist. We can detect there gravitational force on their surroundings. I do not think they have been proven yet.

The sun does not burn. What the sun does do is squeeze particles together until they become one particle. This causes part of the particle to turn into energy and this energy makes the particle move. Heat is the random movement of particles in an object. This makes the sun become very hot. Hot objects emit light. We just thought it burned like a fire, so we called it that.

War proved effective at getting certain things done. Some people think we should still use it.

If it was an ignorable response, then we would just ignore it. When you feel pain, something very bad has happened to your body. Our brain treats pain as bad, and associates the actions that bring pain as bad too. It is a way for the body to effect behavior in order to preserve itself.

God's a dick?

Humans are animals like any other. We are just the only ones that realize what our effect is on the environment. We are not viruses.

I suppose. The thing is, gravity is only a problem when there is a distance (height) for it to cause things to accelerate to a great speed. Being afraid of all gravity would be rather silly as it is one of the four forces in the universe. There is no getting away from it. Ever.
Kyronea
17-12-2007, 04:26
Chickens/eggs? Cows/milk?
Rocky mountain oysters?

People needed new food sources, so they decided to try something like emulating other creatures for the eggs. For the milk...well...they couldn't milk their own women...
The Brevious
17-12-2007, 04:29
Lie?

The Boxer?
SaintB
17-12-2007, 04:30
Lie?

huh?
Bann-ed
17-12-2007, 04:32
The Boxer?

Good song.
*listens*
The Brevious
17-12-2007, 04:43
Good song.
*listens*

Seconded!
Lunatic Goofballs
17-12-2007, 09:04
Then a good, swift kick to the groin will just have to do now won't it?

It usually does. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
17-12-2007, 09:06
I don't think that's allowed either.

True, but nobody can confiscate a groin kick. :)
Endopolis
17-12-2007, 09:19
How did cavemen know which hole to stick it in?

They relied on the best of both smells :p
Posi
17-12-2007, 09:20
True, but nobody can confiscate a groin kick. :)
They can try.
Callisdrun
17-12-2007, 09:44
When people say that I'm pretty. What's the point of that?

It's a compliment. The point is to let you know that they noticed something about you that they think is good. Same as if they say you are smart, or you are kind. All of these statements are simply, at their most basic level, pointing out to you a positive attribute of yours (to them, you might not want to be pretty, smart or kind, for reasons I can't imagine, as that's a pretty good combination to have).
Callisdrun
17-12-2007, 09:57
But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?

Why do you think a part of you is worthless?

It's not a huge compliment, no. But it's still a nice thing to say to someone.
Intangelon
17-12-2007, 10:05
But it makes me paranoid.

Honey, I've a distinct feeling that the list of things that make you paranoid is long enough without adding any more.

Yeah, but why should being pretty have anything to do with how much money someone makes? That doesn't make any sense!

Only those who benefit from such an unfair advantage can really like it. It isn't like the rest of us are sitting around thinking "golly, I know Jessica Simpson has absolutely no real talent, but she deserves money, attention and fame 'cause she's so doggone purdy."

Chandy, your naievete with regard to all things sexual is refreshing, but come on, you can't tell me you've not seen this in action. To ask why is to question basic human instinct. It's almost as though you ask because there's something you'd like to to do about it. That's admirable, but it's already been done: it's called "professions other than model/actress/eye candy." There's a reason Info Tech (IT) guys make money and are in demand, and it isn't because they're attractive to others (in fairness, some may be, but that's the exception).

In short, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DAMNED SENSE! It's just something we live with and get over...some sooner than others.
Callisdrun
17-12-2007, 10:07
:(

You're analyzing it too much. Most people, when they say you look pretty, aren't thinking about the evolutionary triggers for causing humans to generally like beauty (but then, why not like what one sees to be aesthetically pleasing?), they're just noting something and trying to be nice.
Intangelon
17-12-2007, 10:18
When people say that I'm pretty. What's the point of that?

But why not compliment something that's important instead of something worthless?

That's another thing that makes me say "huh?". Why do people think beauty is important, anyway?

Why don't they just say I look healthy then? And I don't get why the last one should be something people should compliment random people about.


Okay.

I, and I think anyone else here who's ever read your posts, GET that you're asexual, and as such, conventional attitudes toward attraction don't apply to you. Believe me, we understand. You mention it so frequently, we'd have to be terminally thick not to understand.

But now there's something you must learn to do -- as much as you want to be understood as asexual, that's how much you need to understand that the rest of the world around you is, for the overwhelming part, sexual in nature. That means that if something comes up that doesn't register on your radar because it has to do with sexuality or attraction, you don't have to participate, and anyone would be a concrete asshole for either forcing you to or mocking you for not participating.

However, to constantly ask why certain things happen that are clearly a result of some sort of sexual arousal interaction (overtly or subtly, intentional or accidental), begins to sound a bit disingenuous. Almost like you're deliberately forgetting that the vast majority of people with whom you might interact ARE what you are NOT.

I'm not trying to be a jerk or in any way trying to marginalize or insult you for being what you are. In fact, there are times when I envy you. But for cryin' out loud, Chandy, you're not stupid -- you've proven that. So start using some deduction and a little intuition, I beg you. Otherwise, life will continue to be very, very confusing for you. And that's what would be unfair -- you marginalizing yourself.

Apologies for any offense.
Dododecapod
17-12-2007, 11:03
Seconded!

Thirded!

(goes and gets Simon and Garfunkel CD...)
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 12:42
Because to most of us it does matter. It might not matter to you, but it would in general and there's usually no reason to assume you would be an exception until people get to know you.

...how old are you again?

17

huh?

I didn't know what you meant.

Honey, I've a distinct feeling that the list of things that make you paranoid is long enough without adding any more.



Only those who benefit from such an unfair advantage can really like it. It isn't like the rest of us are sitting around thinking "golly, I know Jessica Simpson has absolutely no real talent, but she deserves money, attention and fame 'cause she's so doggone purdy."

Chandy, your naievete with regard to all things sexual is refreshing, but come on, you can't tell me you've not seen this in action. To ask why is to question basic human instinct. It's almost as though you ask because there's something you'd like to to do about it. That's admirable, but it's already been done: it's called "professions other than model/actress/eye candy." There's a reason Info Tech (IT) guys make money and are in demand, and it isn't because they're attractive to others (in fairness, some may be, but that's the exception).

In short, OF COURSE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DAMNED SENSE! It's just something we live with and get over...some sooner than others.

Ok, as long as it's not supposed to make sense...

Okay.

I, and I think anyone else here who's ever read your posts, GET that you're asexual, and as such, conventional attitudes toward attraction don't apply to you. Believe me, we understand. You mention it so frequently, we'd have to be terminally thick not to understand.

But now there's something you must learn to do -- as much as you want to be understood as asexual, that's how much you need to understand that the rest of the world around you is, for the overwhelming part, sexual in nature. That means that if something comes up that doesn't register on your radar because it has to do with sexuality or attraction, you don't have to participate, and anyone would be a concrete asshole for either forcing you to or mocking you for not participating.

However, to constantly ask why certain things happen that are clearly a result of some sort of sexual arousal interaction (overtly or subtly, intentional or accidental), begins to sound a bit disingenuous. Almost like you're deliberately forgetting that the vast majority of people with whom you might interact ARE what you are NOT.

I'm not trying to be a jerk or in any way trying to marginalize or insult you for being what you are. In fact, there are times when I envy you. But for cryin' out loud, Chandy, you're not stupid -- you've proven that. So start using some deduction and a little intuition, I beg you. Otherwise, life will continue to be very, very confusing for you. And that's what would be unfair -- you marginalizing yourself.

Apologies for any offense.

I have to try to understand because otherwise my instinct is to hate and fear. I am trying to understand but it is confusing. I have to assume the worst motives for people's actions because I can't understand them. It's hard to grasp that everyone else is so different from me and that the thing that's different is what determines a lot of their behavior. It's hard to remember that there's something that rules them and their behavior that I don't have.

And I don't recall mentioning my asexuality in this thread anyway... I didn't think that beauty had to have to do with sexual stuff. I mean, I can tell when things are beautiful, I just didn't understand why it's such a valued trait in people.

It's a compliment. The point is to let you know that they noticed something about you that they think is good. Same as if they say you are smart, or you are kind. All of these statements are simply, at their most basic level, pointing out to you a positive attribute of yours (to them, you might not want to be pretty, smart or kind, for reasons I can't imagine, as that's a pretty good combination to have).

Ok. I guess most compliments just don't seem sincere to me unless they're complimenting something that I believe I have.
Callisdrun
17-12-2007, 13:19
Ok. I guess most compliments just don't seem sincere to me unless they're complimenting something that I believe I have.

Sometimes the compliments that you need the most are ones taking note of qualities you didn't believe you had. Like sometimes, if I'm in a really low, self-loathing mood where I just think I'm the biggest dick that ever lived, and I receive a compliment for being thoughtful or kind, it shakes me out of that foolishness of disliking myself or thinking myself a jerk.

Anyway, I suppose sexuality or anything that ties into it at all wouldn't really make sense to someone (like you) who was non-sexual. I guess an important thing to grasp is that humans, for the most part, are both rational and irrational creatures.

The reason for sexuality's existence, from a biological standpoint, is quite rational. We are hardwired to find others more or less attractive so as to be able to evaluate whether they'd make a possible mate. This is the core of it, basically.

The actual feelings of sexuality, and all that ties into them, are rather irrational, as much emotion is. And just because certain values have their roots in sexuality, doesn't mean that such are overtly sexual. For instance, just because I see my friend, think her outfit looks pretty on her, and tell her so, doesn't mean that I'm also thinking "Oh my god! I want to fucking mate with her!" even though the roots of what strikes me as pretty in another human are at their deep root sexual. I am not telling my friend that I want to have sex with her if I just compliment her by saying she looks pretty. Certain words also carry with them more or less connection to sexuality when complimenting someone. "Pretty," is a word that conveys a meaning often mild enough so that I could say that my mother was pretty and not have any incestuous connotation at all. "Ravishing" would not be a word that I would use to describe my mother, since it generally refers to someone that one finds sexually attractive.

If someone says you look pretty, it's a nice thing to say and innocent enough. Not everybody who thinks you look nice would think of you sexually. And then of course, the vast majority of people who think you are sexually attractive are also harmless and respectful of consent. I am perhaps incorrect, but the way you phrase things makes it sound like you are afraid that anybody who find you attractive will want to rape you. This conclusion is indeed a bit paranoid, though understandable in your circumstances since you, being non-sexual, don't really know what those who do have sexual thoughts exactly feel. I'd say though, that someone wanting to sexually assault you, just from looking at you, is extremely unlikely, simply because most people don't think "oh wow, that girl's so hot, I'll go rape her!." Such a person, most people would probably think had mental problems, I'd say.

So, if complimented on your looks, just say thanks for the compliment and be on your merry way, as it's quite likely that the complimenter was just being nice. If this is followed up by them asking you out, or someone simply asks you out, and you, being non-sexual, aren't interested, a polite "No, thanks," will dissuade most, and a second, firmer "No." will turn away the vast majority of would-be romancers.

It's good that you try to understand these things, instead of letting yourself react with hate and fear in a knee-jerk fashion. Unfortunately, sexual desire is something that I don't think one really can understand fully without feeling oneself :(
Extreme Ironing
17-12-2007, 13:57
That makes it really confusing! They could be innocently being nice, so I don't want to be mean to them if that's the case, but they could have sinister motives, so I can't be nice to them. It's a trap. :(

Very few people have sinister motives. Not everyone with sexual feelings is suddenly a potential rapist for having them.

How easily all rules of logic are thrown out the window when arguing with a Woman.

http://www.stacken.kth.se/lists/best-forestry/2001-05/jpg00000.jpg
:p
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 23:00
Sometimes the compliments that you need the most are ones taking note of qualities you didn't believe you had. Like sometimes, if I'm in a really low, self-loathing mood where I just think I'm the biggest dick that ever lived, and I receive a compliment for being thoughtful or kind, it shakes me out of that foolishness of disliking myself or thinking myself a jerk.

Anyway, I suppose sexuality or anything that ties into it at all wouldn't really make sense to someone (like you) who was non-sexual. I guess an important thing to grasp is that humans, for the most part, are both rational and irrational creatures.

The reason for sexuality's existence, from a biological standpoint, is quite rational. We are hardwired to find others more or less attractive so as to be able to evaluate whether they'd make a possible mate. This is the core of it, basically.

The actual feelings of sexuality, and all that ties into them, are rather irrational, as much emotion is. And just because certain values have their roots in sexuality, doesn't mean that such are overtly sexual. For instance, just because I see my friend, think her outfit looks pretty on her, and tell her so, doesn't mean that I'm also thinking "Oh my god! I want to fucking mate with her!" even though the roots of what strikes me as pretty in another human are at their deep root sexual. I am not telling my friend that I want to have sex with her if I just compliment her by saying she looks pretty. Certain words also carry with them more or less connection to sexuality when complimenting someone. "Pretty," is a word that conveys a meaning often mild enough so that I could say that my mother was pretty and not have any incestuous connotation at all. "Ravishing" would not be a word that I would use to describe my mother, since it generally refers to someone that one finds sexually attractive.

If someone says you look pretty, it's a nice thing to say and innocent enough. Not everybody who thinks you look nice would think of you sexually. And then of course, the vast majority of people who think you are sexually attractive are also harmless and respectful of consent. I am perhaps incorrect, but the way you phrase things makes it sound like you are afraid that anybody who find you attractive will want to rape you. This conclusion is indeed a bit paranoid, though understandable in your circumstances since you, being non-sexual, don't really know what those who do have sexual thoughts exactly feel. I'd say though, that someone wanting to sexually assault you, just from looking at you, is extremely unlikely, simply because most people don't think "oh wow, that girl's so hot, I'll go rape her!." Such a person, most people would probably think had mental problems, I'd say.

So, if complimented on your looks, just say thanks for the compliment and be on your merry way, as it's quite likely that the complimenter was just being nice. If this is followed up by them asking you out, or someone simply asks you out, and you, being non-sexual, aren't interested, a polite "No, thanks," will dissuade most, and a second, firmer "No." will turn away the vast majority of would-be romancers.

It's good that you try to understand these things, instead of letting yourself react with hate and fear in a knee-jerk fashion. Unfortunately, sexual desire is something that I don't think one really can understand fully without feeling oneself :(

This makes sense. I do get paranoid sometimes.

Very few people have sinister motives. Not everyone with sexual feelings is suddenly a potential rapist for having them.


Ok. Trying to understand that.
Soviestan
17-12-2007, 23:10
the fact pot isn't legal.
Callisdrun
17-12-2007, 23:11
This makes sense. I do get paranoid sometimes.



Ok. Trying to understand that.

Yeah, because having sexual desires doesn't cancel out one's personal morality or ethics, which in the case of most people rules out rape as an option (because it's, well, you know, wrong). I naturally have sexual desire for my girlfriend, but obviously I don't want to rape her, because that's a terrible evil thing to do to someone.
Soviestan
17-12-2007, 23:24
Yeah, because having sexual desires doesn't cancel out one's personal morality or ethics, which in the case of most people rules out rape as an option (because it's, well, you know, wrong). I naturally have sexual desire for my girlfriend, but obviously I don't want to rape her, because that's a terrible evil thing to do to someone.

Not if you think of it as suprise sex and not rape. <.< >.>
Chandelier
17-12-2007, 23:50
Yeah, because having sexual desires doesn't cancel out one's personal morality or ethics, which in the case of most people rules out rape as an option (because it's, well, you know, wrong). I naturally have sexual desire for my girlfriend, but obviously I don't want to rape her, because that's a terrible evil thing to do to someone.

I realize that when I'm thinking rationally but when I panic it's hard to think rationally then.
Poliwanacraca
18-12-2007, 00:36
The Boxer?

It took me a second, and then I laughed out loud. Well done. :)
Farnhamia
18-12-2007, 00:55
I very much doubt that anybody "decided" to let the milk spoil. What is amazing is that they decided to eat it anyway. This must tell us a lot about how starving most of our ancestors most of the time.

Really. early humans would eat just about anything, it seems, including each other.
Tmutarakhan
18-12-2007, 00:55
who first decided to make cheese from milk? why? and what about yoghurt, for that matter?
I very much doubt that anybody "decided" to let the milk spoil. What is amazing is that they decided to eat it anyway. This must tell us a lot about how starving most of our ancestors most of the time.
Callisdrun
18-12-2007, 01:17
I realize that when I'm thinking rationally but when I panic it's hard to think rationally then.

Maybe learn to better control the "oh god! panic! panic! panic!" reflex?
Kunyaga
18-12-2007, 01:39
Ugh, the tree goo tastes horrible, you have to boil it and to all the other stuff before it tastes good.

No!! Ice-cold maple sap in the early spring!! YUMMY!!
CthulhuFhtagn
18-12-2007, 01:50
the fact pot isn't legal.

Timber industry.
Kunyaga
18-12-2007, 01:50
Obviously there is some need for it such as limited resources or a system of government that requires scapegoats due to the way it is run. The best thing for those getting slaughtered is to start fighting back. Life is not a right...you have to be able to fight for your right to live. My advice for the oppressed would be to start systematically targeting those in charge of the government. That is why, digressing a bit, I don't understand why Bin Laden took out what he did on Sept 11. With a little more work he could have infiltrated into the FAA and got a copy of Air Force One's flight plan, then it would have been a simple matter of crashing a plane into that. Citizens of the US don't make policy. People removed distantly from reality do...so if you want to change it you have to take them out or make them feel your pain.

I'm sorry, but unless you live in a country which is not part of the UN, life IS a right. It's article 3 of the universal declaration human rights: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person.

Have you considered that maybe the don't have the means to fight? That they are so dirt poor and miserable that they don't have the will? That they've been oppressed for so long they have no hope?

As for Bin Laden and Sept 11, perhaps his aim was not to take out the president. After all, that would most likely have made him a martyr. Look at Kennedy. By killing a few thousand Americans and then thumbing his nose at the US military, he made it much more difficult for Mr. Bush. He made him look impotent. It's like slapping somebody and then running away going "na na na na na"

Or perhaps his enemy was not Mr. Bush himself, but the American people as a whole. Many Americans (no offense) seem genuinely not to understand how deep the dislike of America goes around the world. Nor why it exists. But why would we like a people who consistently believe that they're better than the rest of us? That it's their way or the high way, since they've got the money??

Anyway, that's my rant for the hour, take it or leave it.
Phantomstar15
18-12-2007, 02:03
the fact pot isn't legal.
hm? Of course.:p
Chandelier
18-12-2007, 02:27
Maybe learn to better control the "oh god! panic! panic! panic!" reflex?

Yeah, I'll have to work on that.
Phantomstar15
18-12-2007, 03:01
Yeah, I'll have to work on that. I can help you. ;)
Chandelier
18-12-2007, 03:04
I can help you. ;)

Yes, you and my other bodyguards need to start doing your jobs better and keep them away from me in the first place. ;) :p
Phantomstar15
18-12-2007, 03:07
Yes, you and my other bodyguards need to start doing your jobs better and keep them away from me in the first place. ;) :p I am doing my job, but I can't do everything alone. Train your other bodyguards better. :p
Chandelier
18-12-2007, 03:18
I am doing my job, but I can't do everything alone. Train your other bodyguards better. :p

Yes... I'll have to do that... ;)
Phantomstar15
18-12-2007, 03:25
Yes... I'll have to do that... ;)
Good Luck. :p;)
Holendel
18-12-2007, 03:53
At first I was thinking "What the hell is a Dagur?" But then I figured out that it's either a country or a people-group. Maybe the answer to the question of why they don't care is a lack of media coverage/word of mouth and the people DO care, just that many don't know about it. BTW, I'm talking average people, not nation leaders.

And last, it IS a country or a people group isn't it? :confused: The initial "What the hell is a Dagur?" reaction hasn't completely worn off yet.
Kunyaga
18-12-2007, 04:02
At first I was thinking "What the hell is a Dagur?" But then I figured out that it's either a country or a people-group. Maybe the answer to the question of why they don't care is a lack of media coverage/word of mouth and the people DO care, just that many don't know about it. BTW, I'm talking average people, not nation leaders.

And last, it IS a country or a people group isn't it? :confused: The initial "What the hell is a Dagur?" reaction hasn't completely worn off yet.

It's Darfur, and it's a region in Sudan. It's also the site of one of the bloodiest, and yet least recognized, ongoing genocides in the world.

Wikipedia... yeah I hate it, but hey, it's education for the masses, I suppose!
The Brevious
18-12-2007, 07:40
they couldn't milk their own women...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhyes they could. Just not much.
<.<
>.>
The Brevious
18-12-2007, 07:45
It took me a second, and then I laughed out loud. Well done. :)
*bows*
Thank you. Gotta take advantage of the jokes you can. :)
Verdigroth
18-12-2007, 09:14
I'm sorry, but unless you live in a country which is not part of the UN, life IS a right. It's article 3 of the universal declaration human rights: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person.

which is in itself a joke. Right next to life isn't there a right to paid vacation time and 6 hour workdays...yeah like anyone follows the UN mandated rights


Have you considered that maybe the don't have the means to fight? That they are so dirt poor and miserable that they don't have the will? That they've been oppressed for so long they have no hope?


Then perhaps life isn't for them.


That it's their way or the high way, since they've got the money??



Actually if you look at it China has most of the money as the American securities are highly propped up by Chinese investment. If they pulled their cash I am sure the American economy would come crashing down.

ps sorry for the snippage
Kunyaga
18-12-2007, 15:35
which is in itself a joke. Right next to life isn't there a right to paid vacation time and 6 hour workdays...yeah like anyone follows the UN mandated rights



Then perhaps life isn't for them.



Actually if you look at it China has most of the money as the American securities are highly propped up by Chinese investment. If they pulled their cash I am sure the American economy would come crashing down.

ps sorry for the snippage

I'm not arguing that all UN member nations necessarily follow the rules. The world is not NS... ;) And BTW, there's no stipulation about a 6 hour workday, simply that everyone has the right to "reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay". Open to interpretation, obviously.

It seems like what you're saying is that since these people are unable to defend themselves, then we should just let them be killed, because it's not our problem. How convenient for you...
Verdigroth
18-12-2007, 19:11
I

It seems like what you're saying is that since these people are unable to defend themselves, then we should just let them be killed, because it's not our problem. How convenient for you...

isn't it though
Domici
19-12-2007, 04:30
in the book "the descent of woman" the author suggested that language was a byproduct of our distant ancestors living on the shore instead of on the savannah

when looking across the savannah for prey/predators all that is required is a grunt of happiness or alarm and anyone who looks can see what is up. when looking into the water for fish/shellfish/predators only the looker can see what is there. so it requires more finesse of grunt to let those who cant see the same thing know what is been seen.

she suggested that the first word would have been one meaning "FISH". the second word would have been one meaning "you idiot".

It's a cute story, and I'm a fan of the costal ape theory. I'm not convinced of it mind you, I just like it.

But the grunts of, for example, chimps are a lot more sophisticated than simply a "alarm," and "angry."

There was an interview with a zoologist on one of those National Geographic documentaries where she was in the office when the chimps were being fed and she thought to herself, "grapes today." And then wondered how she knew that.

So they got the idea to tape the chimps when they received grapes and then played it back to them on another occasion. If they played the Grapes Tape and gave them grapes the chimps got excited and then happily ate their grapes. If they played it and gave them something else the chimps got confused an annoyed. They tried it with other foods and other tapes with similar results. The chimps had a separate "word" for several of their favorite foods.
Ashmoria
19-12-2007, 04:45
It's a cute story, and I'm a fan of the costal ape theory. I'm not convinced of it mind you, I just like it.

But the grunts of, for example, chimps are a lot more sophisticated than simply a "alarm," and "angry."

There was an interview with a zoologist on one of those National Geographic documentaries where she was in the office when the chimps were being fed and she thought to herself, "grapes today." And then wondered how she knew that.

So they got the idea to tape the chimps when they received grapes and then played it back to them on another occasion. If they played the Grapes Tape and gave them grapes the chimps got excited and then happily ate their grapes. If they played it and gave them something else the chimps got confused an annoyed. They tried it with other foods and other tapes with similar results. The chimps had a separate "word" for several of their favorite foods.


yeah im with you, its a fun theory but im not really convinced of it. but i can see where the need for language in situations where one person has info that the other cant easily access might spur on the development of language.


i read once that chimps are as smart as a human 5 year old. im not sure that i believe that either since 5 year olds are amazingly smart.