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isn't it just dandy?

Looks like people are afraid to comment on this one.

Looks like people are afraid to comment on this one.

Why would we be afraid of such a BS OP? The article is about an event in Baltimore, Maryland (if you never got a proper schooling, I'll have to inform you that Maryland is a state in the USA and not a country in Europe) - it's not at all about women in Europe and has nothing to do with "diversity".

This is the kind of thing one doesn't touch with a barge-pole.

Looks like people are afraid to comment on this one.At the time you posted this, here's the number of people that looked at the thread besides you and the OP:

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Why would we be afraid of such a BS OP? The article is about an event in Baltimore, Maryland (if you never got a proper schooling, I'll have to inform you that Maryland is a state in the USA and not a country in Europe) - it's not at all about women in Europe and has nothing to do with "diversity".

Baltimore is the Europe of Maryland!







Yeah, thats a BS OP.

There isn't mentioned any motives in the article (which is 10 days old, why now?) for the assault. Also, you aren't coming with any personal views, which kind of defeats the purpose of a forum. Your thoughts on this subject would be helpful.
What more, nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the woman is European, so would you care to explain this?

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

isn't it just dandy?

Baltimore's not in Europe, sonny.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

isn't it just dandy?
Surely someone called 'Nationalist America' would realise that Maryland isn't even in Europe?

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what does this have to do with diversity?

is the title suggesting that it all went downhill when we started allowing black people to sit anywhere they want to on the bus?

is the title suggesting that it all went downhill when we started allowing black people to sit anywhere they want to on the bus?
Ah, brings back memories of the 'Rosa Parks was a terrorist' thread by MTAE.

There isn't mentioned any motives in the article (which is 10 days old, why now?) for the assault. Also, you aren't coming with any personal views, which kind of defeats the purpose of a forum. Your thoughts on this subject would be helpful.
What more, nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the woman is European, so would you care to explain this?

It says that they don't know whether it had anything to do with her being white, which at least implies that they've considered that as a possible motivation.

Is that the best article you could find? The ineptitude of the poster in attempting to rile up emotional reactions is so vast that it has a greater impact than his political views!

Ah, brings back memories of the 'Rosa Parks was a terrorist' thread by MTAE.

...wow.

Just...wow.

Now now now, lets not jump to conclusions. The OP said European woman, not woman in Europe. Perhaps it was a woman from Europe living in the USA, or perhaps he was just trying to say 'white' in a more polite way.

Now now now, lets not jump to conclusions. The OP said European woman, not woman in Europe. Perhaps it was a woman from Europe living in the USA, or perhaps he was just trying to say 'white' in a more polite way.

Well, clearly. But gits get what gits deserve...

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

isn't it just dandy?
God, fucking niggers. Should keep them in cages to prevent this kind of thing.

That's what you were getting at, yeah?

Perhaps it was a woman from Europe living in the USA, or perhaps he was just trying to say 'white' in a more polite way.

Kind of stupid, considering there are non-European whites and non-white Europeans. Either way, this thread is made of epic phail.

God, fucking niggers. Should keep them in cages to prevent this kind of thing.

That's what you were getting at, yeah?

Yeah, let them have civil rights and equality, and next thing you know, females and fags will want to have them too. :rolleyes:

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To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

It says that they don't know whether it had anything to do with her being white, which at least implies that they've considered that as a possible motivation.

Which, oh course, is not a good enough reason for jumping to any conclusions. We'll need more information to make any judgments.
My point is that the title is too suggestive.

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

How imbecilic.

Yeah, let them have civil rights and equality, and next thing you know, females and fags will want to have them too. :rolleyes:

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Yeah, exactly, and then the Jews. It'll be a complete liberal clusterfuck.

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

Not without a hyphon it doesn't. If someone doesn't add that and you say "African" we're going to assume, you know, someone from Africa recently (like last week.) Same thing with European. Actually, especially with European. Unless you add 'decent' to the end of that we're expecting someone with an accent. Unless you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP, that is...

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

Um, no.

In America "European" implies European, and "African" implies African.

How imbecilic.

You'll have to get used to it. The English language isn't the same all over the world. For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent. To an American the word "Asian" implies someone from East Asia. An Indian and East Asian are obviously two different concepts.

How imbecilic.

And also not true.

Not without a hyphon it doesn't. If someone doesn't add that and you say "African" we're going to assume, you know, someone from Africa recently (like last week.) Same thing with European. Actually, especially with European. Unless you add 'decent' to the end of that we're expecting someone with an accent. Unless you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP, that is...
Quite.

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.
Only with the -American suffix.

Not without a hyphon it doesn't. If someone doesn't add that and you say "African" we're going to assume, you know, someone from Africa recently (like last week.) Same thing with European. Actually, especially with European. Unless you add 'decent' to the end of that we're expecting someone with an accent. Unless you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP, that is...

Actually it's already obvious the OP is racist, and everyone already knows the OP was referring to "white", so all the responses to the OP consisting of nit picking about terminology was rather unnecessary. I'm merely pointing out that the OP meant "white" by the word "European".

Also I did not write the first post, nor am I candy coating anything. Not that it matters but I'm not even white!

You'll have to get used to it. The English language isn't the same all over the world. For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent. To an American the word "Asian" implies someone from East Asia. An Indian and East Asian are obviously two different concepts.

Ummm...no...

I'm British, and to me someone from the Indian subcontinent is...Indian, believe it or not. Someone from East Asia is...Asian...

For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent.

That's more true in East Africa than anywhere else.

You'll have to get used to it. The English language isn't the same all over the world. For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent. To an American the word "Asian" implies someone from East Asia. An Indian and East Asian are obviously two different concepts.
Not really.

Asian here means "someone from Asia". Depending on what city you're in, that can assume Indian-type Asian or Chinese-style Asian. Usually people are referred to either by their names, or "those guys", rather than "those Asians" or whatever.

Ummm...no...

I'm British, and to me someone from the Indian subcontinent is...Indian, believe it or not. Someone from East Asia is...Asian...

You're an exception. In Britain the word Asian almost always conjures up the image of an Indian rather than a Chinese unless there's clarification. I would know, as I am Chinese and I've experienced this phenomenon in England.

Actually it's already obvious the OP is racist, and everyone already knows the OP was referring to "white", so all the responses to the OP consisting of nit picking about terminology was rather unnecessary. I'm merely pointing out that the OP meant "white" by the word "European".

Also I did not write the first post, nor am I candy coating anything. Not that it matters but I'm not even white!
First, we know. We're picking on him because the OP is stupid.

Second, I added "in the OP" to indicate that's what I was talking about and not you. Mr. Sensitive.

Baltimore's not in Europe, sonny.

Actually there is a Baltimore in Cork, Ireland.....although I will conceed that its not the one mentioned in the article :p.

Actually there is a Baltimore in Cork, Ireland.....although I will conceed that its not the one mentioned in the article :p.

lol

Surely someone called 'Nationalist America' would realise that Maryland isn't even in Europe?
Ah, NB, always the optimist.

First, we know. We're picking on him because the OP is stupid.

Flaming isn't nice, even if it's true. ;)

First, we know. We're picking on him because the OP is stupid.

Second, I added "in the OP" to indicate that's what I was talking about and not you. Mr. Sensitive.

Actually you accused me of racism. When you use the words "you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP" most English speakers would interpret that as an accusation of racism. I think you should work on your knowledge of grammar.

You're an exception. In Britain the word Asian almost always conjures up the image of an Indian rather than a Chinese unless there's clarification. I would know, as I am Chinese and I've experienced this phenomenon in England.

The image conjured up can hardly be considered the definition of the word.

Flaming isn't nice, even if it's true. ;)

I'm not calling him stupid, I'm calling the post stupid. For all I know he's a genius. I can call arguments stupid. And nitpicking isn't flaming.

and, hehe

Ah, NB, always the optimist.
My reputation precedes me.:eek:

Actually you accused me of racism. When you use the words "you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP" most English speakers would interpret that as an accusation of racism. I think you should work on your knowledge of grammar.

I think I see the issue here. Perhaps "Cannot think of a name" was using the word "you" as an informal substitute for the more appropriate pronoun "one".

I think I see the issue here. Perhaps "Cannot think of a name" was using the word "you" as an informal substitute for the more appropriate pronoun "one".
Indeed, it's a common flaw with actual English speakers of our language, because saying "one" makes you sound very pretentious.

I think I see the issue here. Perhaps "Cannot think of a name" was using the word "you" as an informal substitute for the more appropriate pronoun "one".

That's it. You'd...sorry, One would think that such a champion of colloquial language would pick up on that kind of thing.

lol

It's bizare that anyone would travel over to America and name part of it after a place in the back-end of no where in Cork. I could get naming it after Dublin, Limerick, Belfast or even after Cork City itself but why Baltimore?

It's bizare that anyone would travel over to America and name part of it after a place in the back-end of no where in Cork. I could get naming it after Dublin, Limerick, Belfast or even after Cork City itself but why Baltimore?

I dunno. :p

The image conjured up can hardly be considered the definition of the word.

Yes it can, actually. The intention of words is to convey images, especially in everyday speech. If words suddenly failed to convey images one day, then there would be no point to them anymore.

Look the definitions of the words "denotation" and "connotation."

Actually you accused me of racism. When you use the words "you're pointlessly trying to candy coat your blatant racism in an OP" most English speakers would interpret that as an accusation of racism. I think you should work on your knowledge of grammar.

You should work on your knowledge of grammar. He used "you" as an indefinite pronoun (the contemporary equivalent of "one"), not as a personal pronoun and that is clear to anyone who can actually speak English. Perhaps you should take some remedial lessons?

Now now now, lets not jump to conclusions. The OP said European woman, not woman in Europe. Perhaps it was a woman from Europe living in the USA, or perhaps he was just trying to say 'white' in a more polite way.With a name like "Nationalist America"? You're kidding, right?

That's it. You'd...sorry, One would think that such a champion of colloquial language would pick up on that kind of thing.

Actually, no matter how you look at it, your statement implies I am racist.

Maryland is wholly European in origin. The new colony was named in honour of Henrietta Maria, Queen Consort of Charles I. The specific name given in the charter was phrased "Terra Mariae, anglice, Maryland". It was set up to provide a haven for Catholics in the new world.

Soon there were border conflicts between Pennsylvania, a Protestant state and Maryland, fought in the 1730s. Hostilities erupted in 1730 with a series of violent incidents prompted by disputes over property rights and law enforcement. A final settlement was not achieved until 1767, when the Mason-Dixon Line was recognized as the permanent boundary between the two colonies.

Actually, no matter how you look at it, your statement implies I am racist.

...


Sure. Okay. Whatever.

Looks like people are afraid to comment on this one.

Because it's racist?

Indeed, it's a common flaw with actual English speakers of our language, because saying "one" makes you sound very pretentious.

Which is odd really, since what exactly would one be pretending?

Yes it can, actually. The intention of words is to convey images, especially in everyday speech. If words suddenly failed to convey images one day, then there would be no point to them anymore.

Look the definitions of the words "denotation" and "connotation."

Do you not see the contradiction here? At one point you are telling me definitions are simply the images conjured up, and then you tell me to look words up (presumably in a dictionary)! Which is right? The conjured up image, or the dictionary definition?

It's bizare that anyone would travel over to America and name part of it after a place in the back-end of no where in Cork. I could get naming it after Dublin, Limerick, Belfast or even after Cork City itself but why Baltimore?As with many colonies: Narcisism.

The present city dates from July 30, 1729, and is named after Cæcilius Calvert, Lord Baltimore, who was the first Proprietary Governor of the Province of Maryland. Like many early U.S. cities, this name came from a place in Europe. Cæcilius Calvert was a son of George Calvert who was awarded the Barony of Baltimore in County Cork Ireland in 1625 by King James I of England. George Calvert hence became the first Lord Baltimore.
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore#History)

Actually, everyone is arguing and whining over nothing, so lets just drop this shit.

Actually, everyone is arguing and whining over nothing, so lets just drop this shit.It's Fass's fault for going for Voxio's bump.

Indeed, it's a common flaw with actual English speakers of our language, because saying "one" makes you sound very pretentious.

*says "one" a lot* <<

Actually, no matter how you look at it, your statement implies I am racist.

And obviously not a very proficient speaker of English if you mistake the indefinite "you" for a personal "you". Even I as a non-native speaker see it, and you don't. How embarrassing for you.

Which is odd really, since what exactly would one be pretending?
Pretentious has stopped meaning "pretending something", and has simply become "utter knob-jockey".
Do you not see the contradiction here? At one point you are telling me definitions are simply the images conjured up, and then you tell me to look words up (presumably in a dictionary)! Which is right? The conjured up image, or the dictionary definition?
Les deux, at different times!
*says "one" a lot* <<
Of course you would, because 'man' isn't pretentious at all, so it makes sense to translate it directly. See also the French with 'on'.

It's Fass's fault for going for Voxio's bump.

Yes, I forced all of you to post here. Mea culpa - one forgets that one has all these powers of compulsion.

Pretentious has stopped meaning "pretending something", and has simply become "utter knob-jockey".
So basically, if I use the pronoun "one" people will dislike me irrationally.

So basically, if I use the pronoun "one" people will dislike me irrationally.
One would imagine so, yes.

One would imagine so, yes.

And I should consider this a problem?

I doubt the op expected I five page argument over grammar when he set about posting. Yes, he meant white when he said European, yes, most Americans just say "white", yes, the article was a lame effort to incense more prone readers in this thread. The truth is, the reason for the beating could have been anything, and in a city like Baltimore there is enough of a black and white population that there is a fairly good chance the races involved were pure coincidence.

And I should consider this a problem?
If you want... you shouldn't really feel obliged to consider it a problem...

Seeing as "you" is now used instead of "one" by 97% of the population (source : National Office for Bullshit Statistics), people will understand what you mean either way.

If you want... you shouldn't really feel obliged to consider it a problem...

Seeing as "you" is now used instead of "one" by 97% of the population (source : National Office for Bullshit Statistics), people will understand what you mean either way.

I expect the people who have a negative opinion towards "one" are the same kind of people who have positive opinions towards reality TV and boy bands, so it's hardly discouraging.

I expect the people who have a negative opinion towards "one" are the same kind of people who have positive opinions towards reality TV and boy bands, so it's hardly discouraging.
Not really, no.

Most people see it as a bit pretentious, unless they've studied foreign languages at A-level or above, or are rich enough to get away with saying it as a matter of course.

I doubt the op expected I five page argument over grammar when he set about posting. Yes, he meant white when he said European, yes, most Americans just say "white", yes, the article was a lame effort to incense more prone readers in this thread. The truth is, the reason for the beating could have been anything, and in a city like Baltimore there is enough of a black and white population that there is a fairly good chance the races involved were pure coincidence.Hey, first time poster, being all reasonable, too. =)

For what it's worth, I think a five page discussion about grammar is better than the OP could ever have hoped for with this thing.

Hey, first time poster, being all reasonable, too. =)

For what it's worth, I think a five page discussion about grammar is better than the OP could ever have hoped for with this thing.

It's not five pages. It's two. Can't you people count? 40 posts per page, with 72 posts...

Say, aren't most white Americans really just European descendants in USA?

It's not five pages. It's two. Can't you people count? 40 posts per page, with 72 posts...

On the default setting it's 5 pages.

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

isn't it just dandy?

If you wanna make a thread about blacks being over-represented in crime and hence victimizing whites much more than whites victimize them, or racist attacks against whites or etc... quote statistics.

Hey, first time poster, being all reasonable, too. =)

For what it's worth, I think a five page discussion about grammar is better than the OP could ever have hoped for with this thing.


Fair enough. In regards to the grammar argument, I would like to note that I do use "one", and damn the consequences.

On the default setting it's 5 pages.

Whoosh.

Fair enough. In regards to the grammar argument, I would like to note that I do use "one", and damn the consequences.
Same here.

Whoosh.
And then there were six.

Whoosh.

*is confused*

It's not five pages. It's two. Can't you people count? 40 posts per page, with 72 posts...
Don't think for a second I didn't see that smiley before you edited it out.

Kind of stupid, considering there are non-European whites and non-white Europeans. Either way, this thread is made of epic phail.

There are also white Africans but we all know whom African American refers to.

How imbecilic.

It makes statistical sense. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the fact that whites originated in Europe. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the fact that whites originated in Europe. :rolleyes:
No they didn't. They 'originated' in the Levant, which is close, but no cigar.

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

I have never heard that term before ... new one to me and I have lived her my whole life

It makes statistical sense. :rolleyes:

No.

Not to mention the fact that whites originated in Europe. :rolleyes:

No.

Don't think for a second I didn't see that smiley before you edited it out.

Subterfuge!

To all the Europeans who are confused about the terminology - in America "European" implies white, in the same way that "African" implies black.

Funny, I've lived in America and been an American my entire life and never heard European used in any way except to designate a person who was born in, or lives in, Europe.

Want to try again?

Don't think for a second I didn't see that smiley before you edited it out.

Oh!

Yes.



Yes.
No, no.

No.


Yes.


No.

Yes.

And then there were six.

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There. Are. Three. Pages!

Funny, I've lived in America and been an American my entire life and never heard European used in any way except to designate a person who was born in, or lives in, Europe.

Want to try again?

I think he meant European American and African American.

How imbecilic.

As well as untrue, as far as I know.

Yes.

No, still no, honey.

Yes.

No, still no, pumpkin.

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You'll have to get used to it. The English language isn't the same all over the world. For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent. To an American the word "Asian" implies someone from East Asia. An Indian and East Asian are obviously two different concepts.

What version of America do you live in?

No they didn't. They 'originated' in the Levant, which is close, but no cigar.

"relating to a human group having light-coloured skin, especially of European ancestry"
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/white?view=uk

And light coloured skin originated in Europe. Relatively (compared to Africans) light skin also originated in Asia but almost all Asians arent considered white. Almost all Asians also have darker skins compared to Europeans, especially Northern Europeans.

"relating to a human group having light-coloured skin, especially of European ancestry"
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/white?view=uk
Nice one for proving nothing right thar.

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Originally Posted by Trilateral Commission
You'll have to get used to it. The English language isn't the same all over the world. For example, to a British, the word "Asian" implies someone from the Indian subcontinent. To an American the word "Asian" implies someone from East Asia. An Indian and East Asian are obviously two different concepts.

Is it common to refer to someone from Britain as 'a British' as well?

It's bizare that anyone would travel over to America and name part of it after a place in the back-end of no where in Cork. I could get naming it after Dublin, Limerick, Belfast or even after Cork City itself but why Baltimore?

Because Lord Baltimore received a charter from King Charles I of England to found the colony of Maryland, named for Charles' wife, Queen Henrietta Maria aka Queen Mary. I guess Lord Baltimore wanted to name a city after himself.

Ah, brings back memories of the 'Rosa Parks was a terrorist' thread by MTAE.

I missed that?

Yes, I forced all of you to post here. Mea culpa - one forgets that one has all these powers of compulsion.Credit where credit is due, Fass. If you hadn't posted in it, it may have settled back to the bottom of NSG instead of being propelled back up.

Say, aren't most white Americans really just European descendants in USA?

Say, aren't most white Europeans just immigrants from Africa originally?

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No they didn't. They 'originated' in the Levant, which is close, but no cigar.

What? White Europeans originated exactly where they are, with their language/ culture originating in the Caucaus.

What? White Europeans originated exactly where they are, with their language/ culture originating in the Caucaus.

The entire human race originated in Africa. :)

What version of America do you live in?

He's completely correct. Or at least where I live. An Asian refers to someone from China/ Vietnam/ Korea/ Japan. We never call an Indian an asian, even though they we have a lot of them in this area. We call them "Indians from India" to clarify that they're not native Americans.

The entire human race originated in Africa. :)

I stand corrected :p

I am wondering why her boyfriend tried to shove her back onto the bus, despite the fact that she was being beaten up...

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8, actually. =P

On topic, however, when I got to wait for Ilie during the NS Baltimore meetup at the Baltimore Downtown Greyhound Station, it was the white people that accosted me.

There, now we have an anecdote that shows that "Pseudo-Europeans" aren't the nicest people in Baltimore either.

He's completely correct. Or at least where I live. An Asian refers to someone from China/ Vietnam/ Korea/ Japan. We never call an Indian an asian, even though they we have a lot of them in this area. We call them "Indians from India" to clarify that they're not native Americans.

So you call white Americans Europeans too?

Perhaps to get her away from the lovely juveniles who dragged her off the bus to beat her?

The entire human race originated in Africa. :)

1) Humanity is a species.

2) Human species originated in Africa.

3) Whites originated in Europe.

4) You as a person originated in your mom's uterus.

5) You as a living being on Earth, originated in Earth's oceans.

6) You as a "matter" originated in Big Bang.

See, it's all very simple.

So you call white Americans Europeans too?
Shouldn't the question be whether he calls hispanics Europeans?

So you call white Americans Europeans too?

Yes, sometimes. Talking about whites gives racist connotations and if you are trying to make a statement about Euro Americans that is positive in any way and you use the word "white", you run the risk of being called racist. Actually, depending on whom you're talking to, it's almost certain.

Right, because white guys (especially neo-nazi trailer trash white guys) never beat up women. Ever.

Seriously, you are a massive asshat.

Lol the whole point of this thread is lost on me. I take my leave and forsake this thread to what the unforgiving elements of NSG will have of it. BE Gone!

Hmm, I think he was trying to convey that diversity and multiculturalism is wrong.

But from the article, all I got was "American children are dragging the country to its knees, and they will grow up to be fucking idiots. All the smart ones should leave immediately instead of fixing the problem, because there's no way you can reverse the tide of idiocy."

Lol the whole point of this thread is lost on me. I take my leave and forsake this thread to what the unforgiving elements of NSG will have of it. BE Gone!

This is nothing. You should have seen the cheese appreciation thread. I don't even remember what started that...

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3) Whites originated in Europe.

No.

Hmm, I think he was trying to convey that diversity and multiculturalism is wrong.

But from the article, all I got was "American children are dragging the country to its knees, and they will grow up to be fucking idiots. All the smart ones should leave immediately instead of fixing the problem, because there's no way you can reverse the tide of idiocy."

Yeah, I figured that one out ages ago. They say "love it or leave it". I'm leaving ASAP.

No.

If all you can do is say "no" over and over again, then stop talking. Read my sig. If you have evidence, preferrably a link, please post it.

If all you can do is say "no" over and over again, then stop talking.

No.

Read my sig.

No.

If you have evidence, preferrably a link, please post it.

Cavalli-Sforza.

Shouldn't the question be whether he calls hispanics Europeans?

Obviously not. Also not for some Italians, nor anyone close to the Mediterranean, because if they are dark, they aren't European.

:rolleyes:

I suppose that under that definition, people who live in the former Soviet Union, particularly Russia, are all European and not a single one of them Asian, because they don't have slanty eyes, despite the continent they actually live on.

No.



No.


Very smart.


Cavalli-Sforza.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Cavallisforzageneclusters.jpg

Very smart.

It's not difficult to come across as that in present company.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Cavallisforzageneclusters.jpg

And where does Cavalli-Sforza claim that light skin originated? Here's a hint: the northern part of the continent south of Europe. Its name begins with an A, and does not end with "-sia", "-stralia", "-merica" or "-ntarctica".

Very smart.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Cavallisforzageneclusters.jpg

How about a legend explaining what this chart is supposed to be telling us?

Obviously not. Also not for some Italians, nor anyone close to the mediterraean, because if they are dark, they aren't European.

:rolleyes:

I love your scathing condescension at the words you thrust into my mouth.


I suppose that under that definition, people who live in the former Soviet Union are all European and not Asian because they don't have slanty eyes, despite the continent they actually live on.

Are you talking about Russian colonists or the Central Asians? I assume you're talking about the colonists, who, due to their European origin and culture, count as "of European descent".

How about a legend explaining what this chart is supposed to be telling us?

It seems to be something about cowering in the corner of some genetic map. Nice to see the close relation between Iranians and Pommies. ;)

Now I go read the thread to see what I haven't been missing ...

I love your scathing condescension at the words you thrust into my mouth.



Are you talking about Russian colonists or the Central Asians? I assume you're talking about the colonists, who, due to their European origin and culture, count as "of European descent".

Well, really, aren't you the one saying Europeans are white? They're not all, you know.

And as citizens on the land mass Asia, and by virtue of being born in Asia, would be what? Moon men?

How about a legend explaining what this chart is supposed to be telling us?

Human genetic variation is geographically structured. Human populations form clusters, when samples from people all around the world are analyzed. Those clusters are roughly what we consider races. There are also sub-clusters within clusters.

It's not difficult to come across as that in present company.


And where does Cavalli-Sforza claim that light skin originated? Here's a hint: the northern part of the continent south of Europe. Its name begins with an A, and does not end with "-sia", "-stralia", "-merica" or "-ntarctica".

Source?

There isn't mentioned any motives in the article (which is 10 days old, why now?) for the assault. Also, you aren't coming with any personal views, which kind of defeats the purpose of a forum. Your thoughts on this subject would be helpful.
What more, nowhere in the article is it mentioned that the woman is European, so would you care to explain this?

The title means "White woman ..." etc.

Therefore, Nationalist America is a puppet of Nova Magna Germania.

The two converse with each other in the thread. Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13297647). At least one should now have their nation deleted.

Human genetic variation is geographically structured. Human populations form clusters, when samples from people all around the world are analyzed. Those clusters are roughly what we consider races. There are also sub-clusters within clusters.

"The classification into races has proved to be a futile exercise for reasons that were already clear to Darwin." - Cavalli-Sforza.

Source?

Cavalli-Sforza, Luigi Luca. Genes, Peoples and Languages, Penguin, 2001.

It seems to be something about cowering in the corner of some genetic map. Nice to see the close relation between Iranians and Pommies. ;)

Now I go read the thread to see what I haven't been missing ...

They are closer to Brits than Indians are to Brits but North European people are closest to Brits.

http://www.hotink.com/wacky/10_ani.gif

"The classification into races has proved to be a futile exercise for reasons that were already clear to Darwin." - Cavalli-Sforza.


Red herring. He was talking about races as in subspecies (biologic taxonomic definition), he didnt reject the fact that human genetic variation is geographically structured.


Cavalli-Sforza, Luigi Luca. Genes, Peoples and Languages, Penguin, 2001.

Given your previous ignorancy, I assume you misunderstood him. Can you give a direct quote about the origins of light skin according to him?

The title means "White woman ..." etc.

Therefore, Nationalist America is a puppet of Nova Magna Germania.

The two converse with each other in the thread. Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13297647). At least one should now have their nation deleted.

:rolleyes:

The title means "White woman ..." etc.

Therefore, Nationalist America is a puppet of Nova Magna Germania.

The two converse with each other in the thread. Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13297647). At least one should now have their nation deleted.

Hmm, in my expert opinion: no, they're not the same person.

Should this nation now be deleted for false accusations?:eek:

Red herring. He was talking about races as in subspecies (biologic taxonomic definition), he didnt reject the fact that human genetic variation is geographically structured.

He rejects completely the notion of separate "races" as unscientific and fallacious. In fact, Cavalli-Sforza was the one who lead the movement among geneticists that has lead to them no longer considering humans divided into races. He "challenges the assumption that there are significant genetic differences between human races, and indeed, the idea that 'race' has any useful biological meaning at all."

Given your previous ignorancy,

The word is ignorance. At least remedy your linguistic one.

I assume you misunderstood him.

While you seem to have no idea of what the man has said if you think for a second he supports the notion of "race" among humans.

Can you give a direct quote about the origins of light skin according to him?

Ah, a budding racist such as yourself hasn't read the work of one our times greatest geneticists, that also completely annihilates the notion of race? Why am I not surprised.

They are closer to Brits than Indians are to Brits but North European people are closest to Brits.

Explain the scales of the diagram, or if you can't, link to its source so that the source can.

I don't recognize your competence to interpret someone else's genetic map, if that's even what it is.

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Hmm, in my expert opinion: no, they're not the same person.

Should this nation now be deleted for false accusations?:eek:

No, just point out that I look like an idiot, which I do. It was a bad guess.

However, it extracted useful information ... from you.

Ban all four of us! :D

He rejects completely the notion of separate "races" as unscientific and fallacious. In fact, Cavalli-Sforza was the one who lead the movement among geneticists that has lead to them no longer considering humans divided into races. He "challenges the assumption that there are significant genetic differences between human races, and indeed, the idea that 'race' has any useful biological meaning at all."


Irrelevant, they are talking about taxonomic classification. This is what I said:

Human genetic variation is geographically structured. Human populations form clusters, when samples from people all around the world are analyzed. Those clusters are roughly what we consider races. There are also sub-clusters within clusters.

What I said is not discordant with Cavalli-Sforza. Besides, your whole argument is silly. Cavalli-Sforza is not "the" authority.


The word is ignorance. At least remedy you linguistic one.


Ok.


While you seem to have no idea of what the man has said if you think for a second he supports the notion of "race" among humans.


I didnt say he supported the notion of race among humans. The fact that you assumed that (since you wrote a response based on that assumption) shows your lack of basic genetic/biologic knowledge.



Ah, a budding racist such as yourself hasn't read the work of one our times greatest geneticists, that also completely annihilates the notion of race? Why am I not surprised.

Ok.

It makes statistical sense. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the fact that whites originated in Europe. :rolleyes:

Post #83. Start of thread hijack. This post is #145.

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There. Are. Three. Pages!

Drawing attention to the fact that the default page size is the minimum isn't so smart. If everyone has pages twice the size, the server footprint of NSG pretty much doubles. I for one have a lot of Jolt pages open, and refresh them often, and have chosen to go back to the minimum page size to try to make up for that.

Hmm, in my expert opinion: no, they're not the same person.


Thx.

Explain the scales of the diagram, or if you can't, link to its source so that the source can.

I don't recognize your competence to interpret someone else's genetic map, if that's even what it is.


Press quote and see the link. :rolleyes:

Press quote and see the link. :rolleyes:

No. Link explicitly.

Thread to be re-titled "American woman is victim of the dangerous policy of allowing people to reproduce" please

No. Link explicitly.

You mean link for dummies?

Press quote and see the link. :rolleyes:

OK, I did that. It's on Wikipedia upload, and isn't linked to anything else in wikipedia.

The implication that you endorse whatever Wikipedia says about Cavallis Forza isn't good enough.

You need to give a source wherein the horizontal and vertical scales of that diagram are explained, or else not rely on it to show anything.

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I would also like you to explicitly state that you are not the same person as Nationalist America.

Your "thanks" to Kat for saying that is not explicit enough. Say it explicitly and without smilies so that you can be held to your word if it later turns out that you are the same person, using a different network to post.

If you are not Nationalist America, ignorant poster that they appear to be, it should not hurt your pride one bit to unambiguously claim not to be the same person posting under different names.

Before you bring up my own replies to one of my co-puppets' posts, I will point the incident out myself. I think it is clear from the context that I was making no secret of being the same person posting under different names, that there was a point to doing that, and I was not using a new poster as a stalking horse to start a thread I intended to hijack.

Here, BunnySaurus and N. Hobos converse: NH to BSB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13290968)

It's really not the same. The "joke" referred to is NH's. I have reasons for posting as two different users, and have made no secret of it.

State explicitly that you do not post as Nationalist America.

You mean link for dummies?

Using a graph as a cartoon is "for dummies." I don't fall for it.

How imbecilic.

First I've heard of that too. It's ridiculous.

The question about the origin of "white" people is fairly simple: no, the first light-skinned people were not in Europe, they were in the Middle East. They might not be light-skinned enough for the opening poster, but then I suspect that Hispanics, Greeks, and Italians aren't, either.

The question about the origin of "white" people is fairly simple: no, the first light-skinned people were not in Europe, they were in the Middle East. They might not be light-skinned enough for the opening poster, but then I suspect that Hispanics, Greeks, and Italians aren't, either.

:rolleyes:


Our data strongly support independent genetic origins for the light skin
phenotype in Europeans and East Asians arising after the divergence of modern European and
East Asian populations.

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/msl203v1.pdf

Why would we be afraid of such a BS OP? The article is about an event in Baltimore, Maryland (if you never got a proper schooling, I'll have to inform you that Maryland is a state in the USA and not a country in Europe) - it's not at all about women in Europe and has nothing to do with "diversity".

The majority of white people have descended from Europe, so he's hinting that white women are basically getting beaten up by blacks because we tolerate them due to diversity or because he's being sarcastic and the lack thereof made it possible for the crime to occur.

But based on his name "nationalist America" He's a nazistic confed trying to convince us NSGers that colored people are predominantly violent and criminal when in truth they wer good natured and it was the naturally insecure and racist whites that MADE them that way.

The hell? they broke bones in her eye socket, and the back glass?! Who the hell where these blacks? Mini hulks?

But yes, Africans can be just as racist as anyone from europe, and that shouldn't come as any surprise.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Detected anything up in that cranium of yours?

Still waiting for an unequivocal statement that you are not Nationalist America.

Perhaps you'd rather NA claimed to not be you.

OK, I did that. It's on Wikipedia upload, and isn't linked to anything else in wikipedia.

The implication that you endorse whatever Wikipedia says about Cavallis Forza isn't good enough.

You need to give a source wherein the horizontal and vertical scales of that diagram are explained, or else not rely on it to show anything.

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I would also like you to explicitly state that you are not the same person as Nationalist America.

Your "thanks" to Kat for saying that is not explicit enough. Say it explicitly and without smilies so that you can be held to your word if it later turns out that you are the same person, using a different network to post.

If you are not Nationalist America, ignorant poster that they appear to be, it should not hurt your pride one bit to unambiguously claim not to be the same person posting under different names.

Before you bring up my own replies to one of my co-puppets' posts, I will point the incident out myself. I think it is clear from the context that I was making no secret of being the same person posting under different names, that there was a point to doing that, and I was not using a new poster as a stalking horse to start a thread I intended to hijack.

Here, BunnySaurus and N. Hobos converse: NH to BSB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13290968)

It's really not the same. The "joke" referred to is NH's. I have reasons for posting as two different users, and have made no secret of it.

State explicitly that you do not post as Nationalist America.

Using a graph as a cartoon is "for dummies." I don't fall for it.

Detected anything up in that cranium of yours?

Still waiting for an unequivocal statement that you are not Nationalist America.

Perhaps you'd rather NA claimed to not be you.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are free to think I'm Nationalist America or the Easter Bunny. I really dont care. I will not dignify your accusations with a proper answer. You are free to be paranoid.

Nova Magna Germania using the rollseyes smiley is like making a point, when it's exaggerated it becomes meaningless.

Nova Magna Germania using the rollseyes smiley is like making a point, when it's exaggerated it becomes meaningless.

Actually I'm worried about my eyes health.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are free to think I'm Nationalist America or the Easter Bunny. I really dont care. I will not dignify your accusations with a proper answer. You are free to be paranoid.

I have read quite closely the posts of Nationalist America. He is a flagrant troll, but has only succeeded in garnering responses in the European Islamist Protectorate thread, and in this one. When good posters do not reply nor do you, despite being in some of those threads. When he is attacked, you join in. I concede that this pattern over NA's six posts does not constitute a proof.

In both cases, you have attacked him from the moderate side. When you've made such "steady on there" posts, the result is far more willingness by the good posters to engage your points.

If you are not in fact posting NA's stuff, it is remarkable how NA's extremism has benefitted you by allowing you to post from your usual position but appearing as a moderate. The effect has been to make other posters treat you with more respect than when you appear as the extreme position.

I am going to spend some time examining your exchanges with other new posters. Rest assured, I will make no more open accusations. Any evidence I find I will take in confidence to whatever mod is available.

I take faking debate very seriously. Your refusal to answer has aroused my suspicion even more keenly.

Do not underestimate the investigative powers of the paranoid.

I don't think it will ever be necessary for me to reply to one of your posts again, so farewell. Just do that rolleyes thing for me one more time, it's hilarious ...

Not really, no.

Most people see it as a bit pretentious, unless they've studied foreign languages at A-level or above, or are rich enough to get away with saying it as a matter of course.

[unscientific anecdotal evidence]

In my experience one can get away with using "one." Unless you use it in that infuriating way to mean "me," or any other inaccuate way. Then it does sound pretentious (the contemporary definition)

[/unscientific anecdotal evidence]

Worst OP evar leads to over 160 posts. Lol.

Worst OP evar leads to over 160 posts. Lol.
And on nothing to do with the OP.

Kind of stupid, considering there are non-European whites and non-white Europeans. Either way, this thread is made of epic phail.

And of what descent are non-European whites exactly?

And of what descent are non-European whites exactly?Asian, in some cases.

It's bizare that anyone would travel over to America and name part of it after a place in the back-end of no where in Cork. I could get naming it after Dublin, Limerick, Belfast or even after Cork City itself but why Baltimore?

Good names were already taken...

And of what descent are non-European whites exactly?

Asian and North African mostly.

Asian, in some cases.

I've never heard them referred to as such. Myself, I prefer not to use the term "white," as it is both misleading (hardly anybody besides those who are albinos have skin that is actually white), and it blankets over incredibly important cultural differences.

Light skin was a mutation that rose to prominence to allow more vitamin D (linked somehow to sunlight, not sure how) in when people migrated into colder areas, or so I have heard.

Anyway, the OP is obviously a blatant racist (who has declined to participate in the thread he started), which is unfortunate, since the incident in the posted link is pretty terrible, and seemingly random. People can be such dicks to each other.

I've never heard them referred to as such. Myself, I prefer not to use the term "white," as it is both misleading (hardly anybody besides those who are albinos have skin that is actually white), and it blankets over incredibly important cultural differences.
Turks originate in Asia, and plenty of them are whiter than some Germans. I'm sure some of them settled in "Non-Europe" and their offspring is considered "white" albeit they are not of "European descent".

Turks originate in Asia, and plenty of them are whiter than some Germans. I'm sure some of them settled in "Non-Europe" and their offspring is considered "white" albeit they are not of "European descent".

I've never heard the term "white" applied to anyone who wasn't European. One learns something new every day I guess (yeah, that's right, I used "one" instead of "you," because the confusion of the two uses of the latter is annoying).

I suppose that under that definition, people who live in the former Soviet Union, particularly Russia, are all European and not a single one of them Asian, because they don't have slanty eyes, despite the continent they actually live on.

I've always considered Russia part of Europe, sure most of it is in Asia, but the two biggest cities, the capital and most of the people are in Europe.

You are free to think I'm Nationalist America or the Easter Bunny. I really dont care. I will not dignify your accusations with a proper answer. You are free to be paranoid.

I knew it! :eek:

Turks originate in Asia, and plenty of them are whiter than some Germans. I'm sure some of them settled in "Non-Europe" and their offspring is considered "white" albeit they are not of "European descent".

You dont know that those Turks are of Asian descent. Turks had a huge Empire (Ottoman) in the past which controlled large areas of South Eastern Europe. Many Europeans converted to Islam during that period and then immigrated to today's Turkey as Ottoman Empire started to disintegrate.

I have read quite closely the posts of Nationalist America. He is a flagrant troll, but has only succeeded in garnering responses in the European Islamist Protectorate thread, and in this one. When good posters do not reply nor do you, despite being in some of those threads. When he is attacked, you join in. I concede that this pattern over NA's six posts does not constitute a proof.

In both cases, you have attacked him from the moderate side. When you've made such "steady on there" posts, the result is far more willingness by the good posters to engage your points.

If you are not in fact posting NA's stuff, it is remarkable how NA's extremism has benefitted you by allowing you to post from your usual position but appearing as a moderate. The effect has been to make other posters treat you with more respect than when you appear as the extreme position.

I am going to spend some time examining your exchanges with other new posters. Rest assured, I will make no more open accusations. Any evidence I find I will take in confidence to whatever mod is available.

I take faking debate very seriously. Your refusal to answer has aroused my suspicion even more keenly.

Do not underestimate the investigative powers of the paranoid.

I don't think it will ever be necessary for me to reply to one of your posts again, so farewell. Just do that rolleyes thing for me one more time, it's hilarious ...

Wow. Honestly and seriously, you sound quite obsessed and rather creepy. Eventho, you may not believe it and think it's a further proof of my plot, I'll make you a friendly and good natured suggestion: go out and get some fresh air. And start working out. That'll increase endorphins in your body.

You dont know that those Turks are of Asian descent. Turks had a huge Empire (Ottoman) in the past which controlled large areas of South Eastern Europe. Many Europeans converted to Islam during that period and then immigrated to today's Turkey as Ottoman Empire started to disintegrate.Now all you have to do is prove that hypothesis.

Now all you have to do is prove that hypothesis.

Prove what? Many Europeans converted to Islam and moved to Turkey?

I've never heard the term "white" applied to anyone who wasn't European. One learns something new every day I guess (yeah, that's right, I used "one" instead of "you," because the confusion of the two uses of the latter is annoying).

Well if you're white and you get a white woman pregnant, and 9 months later she gives birth to the baby while in Nigeria you'll have a baby who is both white and African. Magical, no?

Well if you're white and you get a white woman pregnant, and 9 months later she gives birth to the baby while in Nigeria you'll have a baby who is both white and African. Magical, no?

Yep exactly like my family. Mostly Indian, mostly white.

Well if you're white and you get a white woman pregnant, and 9 months later she gives birth to the baby while in Nigeria you'll have a baby who is both white and African. Magical, no?

Yes, even if they raise the baby in US after birth and even if that baby has nothing to do with anything African except being born there. :rolleyes:

I've never heard them referred to as such. Myself, I prefer not to use the term "white," as it is both misleading (hardly anybody besides those who are albinos have skin that is actually white)...



Damn right! I'm pink, not white!

http://www.examiner.com/a-1089067~Students_beat_woman_on_city_bus__police_say.html

isn't it just dandy?

Wow. Evel Knievel( R.I.P.) couldn't have made that jump.

Is the Stormfront forum down? :p

Yes, even if they raise the baby in US after birth and even if that baby has nothing to do with anything African except being born there. :rolleyes:

Yes also true. You get your nationality from whatever country you were born in. Silly little thing that huh.

Yes also true. You get your nationality from whatever country you were born in. Silly little thing that huh.

Oooooh. So that's why I have a UK passport! I thought it was a mix-up!

Wow. Evel Knievel( R.I.P.) couldn't have made that jump.

Is the Stormfront forum down? :p

Hehe must be.

Yes also true. You get your nationality from whatever country you were born in. Silly little thing that huh.

Not really. Some countries dont offer citizenship even if you are born there. Eg: Many European countries.

Not really. Some countries dont offer citizenship even if you are born there. Eg: Many European countries.

Hold it right there. Are you really telling me that it is possible to born in one country and not be counted as a citerzen of that country? Which ones really, I want a list right now!

Hold it right there. Are you really telling me that it is possible to born in one country and not be counted as a citerzen of that country? Which ones really, I want a list right now!

eg: Ireland, Switzerland, Germany.

Prove what? Many Europeans converted to Islam and moved to Turkey?
No. That that's where all "white" Turks come from.

Well if you're white and you get a white woman pregnant, and 9 months later she gives birth to the baby while in Nigeria you'll have a baby who is both white and African. Magical, no?
I'm half-remembering a scene from a movie, in which a person of color is asked by a white person, "Where are you from?"

Person Of Color responds, "New York City" or something similar.

White Person asks, "No, I mean where are your people from?"

POC replies, "Oh, them. Ohio." (or something similar)

No. That that's where all "white" Turks come from.

I cant prove that. But you cant prove that they are of Asian descent either. And the usual convention as far as I know is that whites are people of European descent. So you are the one making a positive claim and hence burden of proof lies on you.

Something like that was in 'Short Circuit'. *nod*
THAT WAS IT.

Newton Crosby: Where are you from, anyway?
Ben Jabituya: Bakersfield, originally.
Newton Crosby: No, I mean your ancestors.
Ben Jabituya: Oh, them. Pittsburgh.

Yet another win for LG.

I'm half-remembering a scene from a movie, in which a person of color is asked by a white person, "Where are you from?"

Person Of Color responds, "New York City" or something similar.

White Person asks, "No, I mean where are your people from?"

POC replies, "Oh, them. Ohio." (or something similar)

Something like that was in 'Short Circuit'. *nod*

Edit:

Newton Crosby: Where are you from, anyway?
Ben Jabituya: Bakersfield, originally.
Newton Crosby: No, I mean your ancestors.
Ben Jabituya: Oh, them. Pittsburgh.

I'm half-remembering a scene from a movie, in which a person of color is asked by a white person, "Where are you from?"

Person Of Color responds, "New York City" or something similar.

White Person asks, "No, I mean where are your people from?"

POC replies, "Oh, them. Ohio." (or something similar)Saw a cartoon a while ago (it's German): A white guy yells at an African-looking boy to go back to where he came from. The boy replies "Why would I want to stay in Düsseldorf?"

I cant prove that. But you cant prove that they are of Asian descent either. And the usual convention as far as I know is that whites are people of European descent. So you are the one making a positive claim and hence burden of proof lies on you.If you're willing to take it that far back, you'd have to prove that whites are of European descent first.

eg: Ireland, Switzerland, Germany.

So if I moved to Ireland, and had a kid he would not be Irish?

Yes, even if they raise the baby in US after birth and even if that baby has nothing to do with anything African except being born there.
Of course. Where you were raised doesn't erase where you were born.
eg: Ireland
Unless they were born here before the first of January '05.
I'm half-remembering a scene from a movie, in which a person of color is asked by a white person, "Where are you from?"

Person Of Color responds, "New York City" or something similar.

White Person asks, "No, I mean where are your people from?"

POC replies, "Oh, them. Ohio." (or something similar)

That sounds familiar, but I've no idea where it's from.
So if I moved to Ireland, and had a kid he would not be Irish?

Not necessarily, no. At least, not in the sense of being an Irish citizen. It depends on whether you or the child's mother is an Irish citizen. As ever wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_citizenship) seems to know its shit.

THAT WAS IT.

Newton Crosby: Where are you from, anyway?
Ben Jabituya: Bakersfield, originally.
Newton Crosby: No, I mean your ancestors.
Ben Jabituya: Oh, them. Pittsburgh.

Yet another win for LG.

time warped again. :p

It's sad when the obvious needs to be pointed out, isn't it?It's even sadder when pointing it out brings it to public attention in the first place.

it's not at all about women in Europe and has nothing to do with "diversity".

It's sad when the obvious needs to be pointed out, isn't it?

Amazing that this isn't making major news. If she was black and the kids were white, there would be a national fucking outrage. This reminds of the Jena-Six, when those thugs beat up a kid and people wanted to help the attackers, even though they all were scum with criminal records.

Amazing that this isn't making major news. If she was black and the kids were white, there would be a national fucking outrage.In Baltimore? Hardly.

Amazing that this isn't making major news. If she was black and the kids were white, there would be a national fucking outrage. This reminds of the Jena-Six, when those thugs beat up a kid and people wanted to help the attackers, even though they all were scum with criminal records.

Heh you gota love that rhetoric huh! I wonder just how many attacks do not get into the news?

In Baltimore? Hardly.

Well, there should be. At least most whites such as myself know where to stay out of in order to avoid getting assaulted by a tribe of angry Africans.

Well, there should be. At least most whites such as myself know where to stay out of in order to avoid getting assaulted by a tribe of angry Africans.

Baltimore's in Africa :confused:

Baltimore's in Africa :confused:

If you read the article...."Greene said the investigation into the incident was ongoing and she didn’t know whether the attack had anything to do with the victim’s race.

The suspects in the incident are black. The victim is white, according to the police report. "

Thus, assaulted by a tribe of apparently angry Africans.

If you read the article...."Greene said the investigation into the incident was ongoing and she didn’t know whether the attack had anything to do with the victim’s race.

The suspects in the incident are black. The victim is white, according to the police report. "

Thus, assaulted by a tribe of apparently angry Africans.

Were they lost?

Well, there should be. At least most whites such as myself know where to stay out of in order to avoid getting assaulted by a tribe of angry Africans.

Yep. Stormfront must be down. ;)

Yep. Stormfront must be down. ;)

I have a right to be angry about this, as a US Citizen. Like I've already mentioned, if people have a right to voice disapproval over the Jena-Six, then I have a right to voice my anger in regards to this issue as well.

I have a right to be angry about this, as a US Citizen. Like I've already mentioned, if people have a right to voice disapproval over the Jena-Six, then I have a right to voice my anger in regards to this issue as well.

*Stormfront Alert* *Stormfront Alert*......
Wait.....Goofballs stole it? NOOOOO CURSE YOU LUNATIC GOOFBALLS!

I have a right to be angry about this, as a US Citizen. Like I've already mentioned, if people have a right to voice disapproval over the Jena-Six, then I have a right to voice my anger in regards to this issue as well.

You are correct, by all means be angry. Just make sure that what you are angry at, you know about.

For instance, can you show me how you know an African tribe(perhaps visiting) was responsible for this attack. I mean are you sure it was not fellow Americans?

*Stormfront Alert* *Stormfront Alert*......
Wait.....Goofballs stole it? NOOOOO CURSE YOU LUNATIC GOOFBALLS!

Just as I figured would happen. I voice MY opinion and my views, and I'm accused of being some douchebag KKK or neo-Nazi. I can't even begin to point out how hypocritical that is, or how untrue.

You are correct, by all means be angry. Just make sure that what you are angry at, you know about.

For instance, can you show me how you know an African tribe(perhaps visiting) was responsible for this attack. I mean are you sure it was not fellow Americans?

Yes, they are fellow Americans. And its not THEM that deserve ALL of the blame. I would like to place a fair amount of blame on our media and our culture, which emphasize racial tension between various groups of Americans, which can eventually lead to tragic events, such as this.

And yes, if someone is black, then it is fair to say that they are of African descent. If that offends any of you, then I'm sorry.

Yes, they are fellow Americans. And its not THEM that deserve ALL of the blame. I would like to place a fair amount of blame on our media and our culture, which emphasize racial tension between various groups of Americans, which can eventually lead to tragic events, such as this.

Ohh so now you are saying that it wasn't some angry Africans, it was some angry Americans? Sheesh I do wish you would make your mind up. Now can you see why people stomp on your anger if you don't even know where to direct it?

I have a right to be angry about this, as a US Citizen. Like I've already mentioned, if people have a right to voice disapproval over the Jena-Six, then I have a right to voice my anger in regards to this issue as well.

The difference between the Jena-Six is that the justice system had it's chance to work and failed. It took public outrage and scrutiny to fix.

In the meantime, leaping from the fact that the adolescent cretins who assaulted that woman were black and the woman was not to it being a racially motivated hate crime and some sort of example of the failure of 'diversity' as the OP is attempting is the act of an argry ignorant racist lout every bit as cretinous as those that assaulted that woman even IF it turns out to be about race.

*Stormfront Alert* *Stormfront Alert*......
Wait.....Goofballs stole it? NOOOOO CURSE YOU LUNATIC GOOFBALLS!

*dances merrily* :D

The difference between the Jena-Six is that the justice system had it's chance to work and failed. It took public outrage and scrutiny to fix.

In the meantime, leaping from the fact that the adolescent cretins who assaulted that woman were black and the woman was not to it being a racially motivated hate crime and some sort of example of the failure of 'diversity' as the OP is attempting is the act of an argry ignorant racist lout every bit as cretinous as those that assaulted that woman even IF it turns out to be about race.

I disagree. Posting a story about a woman's assault is in no way as bad as being the assailant.

Just as I figured would happen. I voice MY opinion and my views, and I'm accused of being some douchebag KKK or neo-Nazi. I can't even begin to point out how hypocritical that is, or how untrue.

Then stop quacking like a duck. and take off the bill. Ya duck! :p

Ohh so now you are saying that it wasn't some angry Africans, it was some angry Americans? Sheesh I do wish you would make your mind up. Now can you see why people stomp on your anger if you don't even know where to direct it?

STFU. African who is an American citizen = American of African Descent = African American.

I disagree. Posting a story about a woman's assault is in no way as bad as being the assailant.

No, but the commentary and premise are.

STFU. African who is an American citizen = American of African Descent = African American.

That's funny. I'm sure there are non-African blacks out there.

Then stop quacking like a duck. and take off the bill. Ya duck! :p

Voicing disapproval of an event that is very likely a hate crime does not constitute white supremacy. And if you think that it does, then I can't be bothered to talk to you. If it was a black woman assaulted by whites in any other location, I would be just as upset as I am now. "Who" assaulted "Who" doesn't matter, its the fact that the event transpired at ALL that irks me so greatly.

Voicing disapproval of an event that is very likely a hate crime does not constitute white supremacy. And if you think that it does, then I can't be bothered to talk to you. If it was a black woman assaulted by whites in any other location, I would be just as upset as I am now. "Who" assaulted "Who" doesn't matter, its the fact that the event transpired at ALL that irks me so greatly.

So when a bunch of teenaged punks act like douchebags and beat the shit out of a random stranger, they better make sure the stranger looks like them first? :confused:

So when a bunch of teenaged punks act like douchebags and beat the shit out of a random stranger, they better make sure the stranger looks like them first? :confused:

Lunatic Goofball throws pie at Lunatic Goofball. No reaction from (remainder of) humanity.

Lunatic Goofball throws pie at random stranger. Hilarity ensues.

The same logic applies here *nods*

And yes, if someone is black, then it is fair to say that they are of African descent.

Tongan-Americans would be very surprised to hear that.

As would Tongans in Tonga, for that matter. :p

This article has proven that middle-schoolers should be outlawed. Damn kids.

I notice the OP left. Now it's just NMG. Huh.

What is with the racist trolls? They can never just come out and say "Hey I'm a fucking racist, here's why." No that would be too honest. They have to make these stupid implications and post articles and just *suggest*, like coy virgins, their racist points. They're too lazy to even formulate some sort of argument. Like dogs they just come slobbering in to the place, take a piss somewhere, and leave again.

Tongan-Americans would be very surprised to hear that.

As would Tongans in Tonga, for that matter. :p
Trust you to bring up Pacific Islanders.:D

Lunatic Goofball throws pie at Lunatic Goofball. No reaction from (remainder of) humanity.

Lunatic Goofball throws pie at random stranger. Hilarity ensues.

The same logic applies here *nods*

Actually, you would be surprised at what some self-pieing can accomplish. :)

Actually, you would be surprised at what some self-pieing can accomplish. :)

You'll need an audience though.

And I think that's called a satire?

*dances merrily* :D

*pelts with pie*

Um, no.

In America "European" implies European, and "African" implies African.

I will second that. I also must say that this is probably one of the worst OPs that I ever saw. I do not mean this is in the sense that it is such a shame that the lady was beaten by the rabid feral dog people of Baltimore, but in the sense that this post had nothing to do with a european woman at all. The only thing that is really implied here is that Nationalist America thinks that Maryland is in Europe. As someone stated earlier, this is particularly sad given the fact that the original poster has a name like "Nationalist America"

I am no bleeding heart liberal that gets riled up by people who are upset about black on white violence, and even I think that the OP is pure asshattery.

You'll need an audience though.

And I think that's called a satire?

Or a farce. :)

Mmm! Banana cream! *dances in pie*

It was a cow pie. :p

*pelts with pie*

Mmm! Banana cream! *dances in pie*

STFU. African who is an American citizen = American of African Descent = African American.

But..but..but none of that is what you said. You said 'Angry tribe of Africans':D

STFU? wasat mean then?

STFU= Shut the Fuck Up

And you did say "a tribe of angry africans"

It was a cow pie. :p

You think this is the first time I've been in cow pie?!? Hah! *dances in cow pie*

You think this is the first time I've been in cow pie?!? Hah! *dances in cow pie*

:eek:

You win. :p

STFU= Shut the Fuck Up

And you did say "a tribe of angry africans"

STFU means shut the fuck up? Shit I really should have guessed at that huh!

Still I don't mind that, it's typically an indication of the average bigots brain overloading when somebody applies logic to their words. With any luck this one won't run away and we can make his head explode with mere words.

Imagine that, the power of words!

*snip*

What is with the racist trolls? They can never just come out and say "Hey I'm a fucking racist, here's why." No that would be too honest. They have to make these stupid implications and post articles and just *suggest*, like coy virgins, their racist points. They're too lazy to even formulate some sort of argument. Like dogs they just come slobbering in to the place, take a piss somewhere, and leave again.

Yes. It's interesting really. Perhaps those kind of racists (the kind who don't listen to opposing arguments and aren't interested in informing their own) are really just looking for a way to be different from the mainstream, and the 'heroism' of holding an unpopular opinion leads them to racism. Perhaps.

If you consider the way dogs really do "piss somewhere" you may be closer to the mark. Territorial behaviour ... "Internet is mine!" Real world sure isn't.

STFU means shut the fuck up? Shit I really should have guessed at that huh!

Still I don't mind that, it's typically an indication of the average bigots brain overloading when somebody applies logic to their words. With any luck this one won't run away and we can make his head explode with mere words.

Imagine that, the power of words!

It looks a lot like this: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1320044742

:D

Because Lord Baltimore received a charter from King Charles I of England to found the colony of Maryland, named for Charles' wife, Queen Henrietta Maria aka Queen Mary. I guess Lord Baltimore wanted to name a city after himself.

I was hoping that it was some story about Irish peasents travelling to Maryland and naming all the place after Baltimore and there would have been lasers and peguins but Oh No, Reality has to be BORING!!

(apologies if this was posted earlier. got tired of reading all those "what you really mean" posts.)
City sees 2nd bus attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1104731~City_sees_2nd_bus_attack.html)
The six boys and three girls charged with punching and kicking Kreager were on the bus at the intersection of 33rd Street and Chestnut Avenue, said MTA police, who are investigating whether the incident was a “possible hate crime.”

Kreager is white; the middle schoolers, ages 14 and 15, are black.

Kreager has been placed in a witness protection program, after a cousin of one of the accused sent her a threatening message at the homeless shelter where Kreager stays, according to a law enforcement source.
Possible, so it may not be a hate crime after all.

No Video of attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1095775~Source__No_video_of_beating.html)
Prosecutors are considering charging the 15-year-olds as adults, she said. Under Maryland law, the 14-year-old students must be tried as juveniles.

Victim denies provoking teens (http://www.examiner.com/a-1093619~Victim_denies_provoking_teens.html)
The students are also accused of menacing an elderly white passenger and assaulting the bus driver.

MTA investigates attack as hate crime (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091786~MTA_investigates_attack_as_hate_crime.html)


Mayor condemns deplorable violence (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091395~Mayor_condemns__deplorable__violence.html)

and of course...
Students blame beating victim. (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091394~Students_blame_beating_victim.html)
Apparently they say she called them the "N" word... yep, that would definatly excuse the beating the 6 of them gave her. :rolleyes:

so me, I'll wait till the trial where all the evidence is displayed for the court and see what they say.

I notice the OP left. Now it's just NMG. Huh.

What is with the racist trolls? They can never just come out and say "Hey I'm a fucking racist, here's why." No that would be too honest. They have to make these stupid implications and post articles and just *suggest*, like coy virgins, their racist points. They're too lazy to even formulate some sort of argument. Like dogs they just come slobbering in to the place, take a piss somewhere, and leave again.

Not all racists are trolls. In the spectrum of racism with 1 being someone who is just a teeny bit racist to a 100 being someone who is all about the racial genocide, I am a 3.

I think that some races tend to be better at things than others. I do not think that my race, which is mixed Alsace-Lorraine and Ashkenasi Jew is the greatest one ever. In fact, I am not sure that a mixed race type like me really has a race.

I also think that subraces are the important thing. I think that racial traits become more relevant the closer that we get to the actual racial history of the individual. For example, I think it is important to identify someone as Ashkenasi or Sephardic (boy, I probably mispelled quite a bit here) instead of merely Jewish.

Similarly, I think it is important to identify a Black as someone who is descendant of slaves or not in order to get a good racial history because of the genetic pressures placed on slaves in the rough conditions of the slave ships.

I also believe in mild eugenics which is someowhat of a racist doctrine in the sense that it calls for action based on genetics. I think that couples should abort unhealthy fetuses. Although my primary motivation is compassion, I am not ashamed to point outt hat it would be nice if this, over time, reduced the frequency of serious genetic illnesses in the future.

Of course I do not think that people should be discriminated by the law or exterminated. I think for any Jew to think that way after all that we have suffered would be a crime against Judaism. I reject affirmative action, genocide, or any racial preference under color of the law. I think that the UN or at least the USA and the other good guys must send military forces to protect any race of men from genocide anywhere in the world.

I do not think that these beliefs make me a bad racist. I simply believe that genetics play a very important role in the world and that we should recognize this. The only "racist" action that I see as important is eugenics but that is not really a racist thing.

Oh and I also am not a fan of interracial marriage and I am even of mixed race myself. Although a lot of kids do not want to wait to be married these days before they have kids of their own because they are in such a hurry, that I guess I should say I oppose "interracial breeding" instead of "interracial marriage" but I do not think that the state should have any role in preventing this from happening.

You may disagree with me either as being too racist or not racist enough, but I admit I am a little racist and I hope you at least do not think of me as a troll.

(apologies if this was posted earlier. got tired of reading all those "what you really mean" posts.)
City sees 2nd bus attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1104731~City_sees_2nd_bus_attack.html)

Possible, so it may not be a hate crime after all.

No Video of attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1095775~Source__No_video_of_beating.html)


Victim denies provoking teens (http://www.examiner.com/a-1093619~Victim_denies_provoking_teens.html)


MTA investigates attack as hate crime (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091786~MTA_investigates_attack_as_hate_crime.html)


Mayor condemns deplorable violence (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091395~Mayor_condemns__deplorable__violence.html)

and of course...
Students blame beating victim. (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091394~Students_blame_beating_victim.html)
Apparently they say she called them the "N" word... yep, that would definatly excuse the beating the 6 of them gave her. :rolleyes:

so me, I'll wait till the trial where all the evidence is displayed for the court and see what they say.

Are you implying we should -- no, surely not!

But, but, all those links! Are you really suggesting we -- I can't believe -- wha?

You ... you ... you are suggesting we actually discuss the topic???

Haven't been around NSG long, have you? :p

Are you implying we should -- no, surely not!

But, but, all those links! Are you really suggesting we -- I can't believe -- wha?

You ... you ... you are suggesting we actually discuss the topic???

Haven't been around NSG long, have you? :p

*looks at post count.*

no, pretty much new here. :p

Yeah, sticking to the topic is a wacky qwerk of mine.

(apologies if this was posted earlier. got tired of reading all those "what you really mean" posts.)
City sees 2nd bus attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1104731~City_sees_2nd_bus_attack.html)

Possible, so it may not be a hate crime after all.

No Video of attack (http://www.examiner.com/a-1095775~Source__No_video_of_beating.html)


Victim denies provoking teens (http://www.examiner.com/a-1093619~Victim_denies_provoking_teens.html)


MTA investigates attack as hate crime (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091786~MTA_investigates_attack_as_hate_crime.html)


Mayor condemns deplorable violence (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091395~Mayor_condemns__deplorable__violence.html)

and of course...
Students blame beating victim. (http://www.examiner.com/a-1091394~Students_blame_beating_victim.html)
Apparently they say she called them the "N" word... yep, that would definatly excuse the beating the 6 of them gave her. :rolleyes:

so me, I'll wait till the trial where all the evidence is displayed for the court and see what they say.

Hmm. No video tape. Conflicting accounts of who instigate the fight. Victim awaiting trial on drug-related charges. I am beginning to suspect that a good defense attorney might have some material to work with. :p

But I doubt those punk can(or should) get away without a charge.

Hmm. No video tape. Conflicting accounts of who instigate the fight. Victim awaiting trial on drug-related charges. I am beginning to suspect that a good defense attorney might have some material to work with. :p

But I doubt those punk can(or should) get away without a charge.

add to that her boyfriend wasn't as beaten as she was, and that she is living in a homeless shelter...

it could swing either way...

And the thread goes oddly still...