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Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

Don't make me get the Molly Maguires after you..

Not until the writer's get a fair deal. Until then I support them 100%.

Unlike handmaids, writers need their hands. Bad idea to go break them. I also doubt you've ever done a lick of honest work in your life, considering your willingness to turn on those that want to get paid appropriately for actually working.

I know the writers should get what they are asking for in terms of the online stuff, but I just want the strike to end for my shows. I don't care how.

There is a lot more to this deal than just the WGA's demands though, it's going to impact all of the other contracts.

And what do you consider honest work?

Yes Cth. I don't really care about a bunch of politically correct writers getting what they want, I'm tired of my shows getting shortened or pushed back.

I know the writers should get what they are asking for in terms of the online stuff, but I just want the strike to end for my shows. I don't care how.

There is a lot more to this deal than just the WGA's demands though, it's going to impact all of the other contracts.

In other words, you only care about your own short term gratification.

Only in the evil God-loving american empire of anti-communist anti-islamic hate!

I agree, the strike should be broken up like that. The idea that people have a right to unionize is communist.

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors get hit with a baseball bat?

Hey, no writers, no TV show. Pay us our proper wages or we strike.

Here's the Scenario:
Writers win because the strike will devastate the TV network. The Companies have to follow labor laws or they'll get sued.

Writers win because they can get jobs elsewhere. They're used to working as waiters for Applebee's. Most also have a minor like Business to fall back onto too.

Oh, not to mention that if they did the old Ford method they'd be sued by all of the writers and the writers will win. The companies would loose even more money, forcing to cancel even more shows. So... Writers win.

Yea, I'm pissed off at the fact none of my favorite shows can go on the AIR (Colbert and Stewart mainly), but that's the price producers get for being a bunch of greedy pigs.

Hey, no writers, no TV show. Pay us our proper wages or we strike.

Here's the Scenario:
Writers win because the strike will devastate the TV network. The Companies have to follow labor laws or they'll get sued.

Writers win because they can get jobs elsewhere. They're used to working as waiters for Applebee's. Most also have a minor like Business to fall back onto too.

Oh, not to mention that if they did the old Ford method they'd be sued by all of the writers and the writers will win. The companies would loose even more money, forcing to cancel even more shows. So... Writers win.

Yea, I'm pissed off at the fact none of my favorite shows can go on the AIR (Colbert and Stewart mainly), but that's the price producers get for being a bunch of greedy pigs.

The law that allows this is socialist. Unions are socialist. Let the market decide what writing is worth.

I'll bet you don't have a job...

I support the writers; they deserve to be paid for their genius. However, I don't care about the strike because I don't have cable television.

I support the writers; they deserve to be paid for their genius. However, I don't care about the strike because I don't have cable television.

The strike affects non-cable television too, IIRC. At least late night shows similar to Colbert (Letterman for example) I know for sure. Some TV shows still have new episodes going on because they're pre-edited weeks or months before.

surely for the writers strike to work the writers would have to be good at what they do though :confused:

the easiest way to break this would be to go out and find the million or so other "writers" out there

The law that allows this is socialist. Unions are socialist. Let the market decide what writing is worth.

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I know the writers should get what they are asking for in terms of the online stuff, but I just want the strike to end for my shows. I don't care how.Oh, so its just your selfishness shining through then? Read a book.

They should be paid fairly, and as was agreed between them and the producers. If either side does not hold true to that contract, the the other party is right to take action. I agree, ideally, a union shouldn't be neccessary because people shouldn't break agreements, but they do, and so they are neccessary. Especially in nations where our leaders do not care for those they are supposed to protect against being treated unjustly in the first place.

I agree, the strike should be broken up like that. The idea that people have a right to unionize is communist.Are you a trolling puppet or are you for real?

Huntaer, I work for myself alone.

And they couldn't sue anyone if there was no evidence linking them to paying off the gang members. That's what middle men are for.

Are you a trolling puppet or are you for real?

What is a trolling puppet? :confused:

I know the writers should get what they are asking for in terms of the online stuff, but I just want the strike to end for my shows. I don't care how.
Aww, boo hoo. :rolleyes:

You know what strikes me as interesting? That I have, apart from your lip service in the post I quoted, yet to see even one person start a rant about the writers' strike and bash the studios. It's always the writers who deserve a baseball bat to the head, apparently.

Funny. All those people "don't care, we only want our TV baaaack" - and yet they ALWAYS bash the writers.

Yeah, they get paid to write in the context of a show. They could have kept working while negotiating. But no, they have to ruin a bunch of good shows instead.

And violence never works against the man, just the other way around.

Huntaer, I work for myself alone.

And they couldn't sue anyone if there was no evidence linking them to paying off the gang members. That's what middle men are for.

I guess the writers could always higher another gang to get revenge... hehe, I'll bet it'd be really hard to find evidence for the writers of CSI.

Well hiring thugs to storm a studio and hiring thugs to show up and beat up picketers out in the open are very different things.

Huntaer, I work for myself alone.

And they couldn't sue anyone if there was no evidence linking them to paying off the gang members. That's what middle men are for.

yeah, you have that happen and the talks won't go though because the police will now be investigating. extending the strike even farther.

simple solution. why don't you write something and try to get the studios to buy it from you.

Well hiring thugs to storm a studio and hiring thugs to show up and beat up picketers out in the open are very different things.

There is no difference. The Companies would be violating the protester's right to free speech against their company for not giving them the wages agreed to, and if the writers retaliated using he same method they'd be breaking private property laws.

Besides, all the writers have to do is stop protesting and quit their jobs as writers. Writers make most of their money from having second jobs which pay a lot more than what they make writing. So they ultimately still win.

Yeah, they get paid to write in the context of a show. They could have kept working while negotiating. But no, they have to ruin a bunch of good shows instead.

And violence never works against the man, just the other way around.

they did. do you think a strike is called immediatly?

contract negotiators work while the writers/union members work. when no negotiation can be reached then a strike is called.

if they write without a contract, then there is no legal protection for either side.

There's plenty of foreign writers who might actually grasp the concept of continuity and a timeline that American writers don't seem to understand anymore.

And I wasn't talking morally. I meant that it would be easier to hire the gangs to show up in a public place and beat protesters and it would be hard for them to get into a secure company and beat up the studio executives.

Then that's the risk they take by not agreeing. They can work without a new contract and keep negotiating for a time instead of walking the first day after the contract expired.

Are thugs unionized?

There's plenty of foreign writers who might actually grasp the concept of continuity and a timeline that American writers don't seem to understand anymore.

Sadly, most of America doesn't watch foreign films because it doesn't have the same writing style which American writers use, not to mention the average American doesn't have the intellect or the want to be able to watch a foreign film. Foreign films are written differently from American

As the strike began I wanted a brisk ending to it considering that eventually scripted television would slowly grind to a halt. As time went on, however, it became more and more obvious that I don't really watch much television at all. Aside from some Premiership matches and NFL games on the weekend, my viewing habits are sparse. Then I found out that it takes seven people to write that terrible show Two and a Half Men, and they would all get more money out of this, so I went against it completely.

As the strike began I wanted a brisk ending to it considering that eventually scripted television would slowly grind to a halt. As time went on, however, it became more and more obvious that I don't really watch much television at all. Aside from some Premiership matches and NFL games on the weekend, my viewing habits are sparse. Then I found out that it takes seven people to write that terrible show Two and a Half Men, and they would all get more money out of this, so I went against it completely.

An entry for post of the year nomination with weeks to go.

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

So basically, your lack of television shows, which are largely crap, is making you wish for violence against the writers who only want to get a cut of the royalties on their own work.

Isn't that a wonderful, proportionate response.

As the strike began I wanted a brisk ending to it considering that eventually scripted television would slowly grind to a halt. As time went on, however, it became more and more obvious that I don't really watch much television at all. Aside from some Premiership matches and NFL games on the weekend, my viewing habits are sparse. Then I found out that it takes seven people to write that terrible show Two and a Half Men, and they would all get more money out of this, so I went against it completely.

Actually, they get the least amount of money. The Producers, Directors and Actors make more money on a contract than the Writer does, so I don't know how you got the impression that the writers would get all the money out of it. I can even recall Colbert saying something along the lines for the Producers to end the strike fast and give the writers a fair wage.

I agree, the strike should be broken up like that. The idea that people have a right to unionize is communist.Unions can't be communist because they happen to predate communism.

The last couple of times I did try and deal with these kinds of threads but I'm incredibly tired atm so if this is still going in the morning I'll contribute properly then.

But for now:

1) No, there aren't a million other writers that could take over the WGA jobs.

2) Writers are talented and they deserved to be paid when their writing earns massive companies massive amounts of cash.

3) Just because something sucks doesn't mean the writing isn't good.

4) Something else

5) The WGA isn't negotiating effectively but this shouldn't be a shock since it never ever has.

6) There is a very good chance you're an idiot.

I'd just fire them.

Yeah, they get paid to write in the context of a show. They could have kept working while negotiating. But no, they have to ruin a bunch of good shows instead.

And violence never works against the man, just the other way around.If they continued working, what incentive would the producers have to pay them fairly?

Well hiring thugs to storm a studio and hiring thugs to show up and beat up picketers out in the open are very different things.

There is no difference between hiring thugs to beat up one set of people, and hiring thugs to beat up another set of people, even if one set happens to be studio heads.

Sadly, most of America doesn't watch foreign films because it doesn't have the same writing style which American writers use, not to mention the average American doesn't have the intellect or the want to be able to watch a foreign film. Foreign films are written differently from American

Right. That's so why El Laberinto del Fauno Wo hu cang long and La Vita e Bella all won no Oscars and did not have any kind of popular following and made no money in the US-- because Americans are too stupid to watch foreign films.

:rolleyes:

(BTW, those are Pan's Labyrinth, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and Life is Beautiful.)

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

Ironicly (kicks spell checker. That HAS to be a word . . .) it was just last night that I watched the B5 episode "By any means necessary". I suggest that the studios take a page from Commander Sinclaire's book and end the strike by giving the writers the pay that they deserve.

Right. That's so why El Laberinto del Fauno Wo hu cang long and La Vita e Bella all won no Oscars and did not have any kind of popular following and made no money in the US-- because Americans are too stupid to watch foreign films.

:rolleyes:Be fair Kat, he said most. That doesn't exclude any kind of popular following.

1) No, there aren't a million other writers that could take over the WGA jobs.

And even if there were, the chances of them actually willing to do so is slim. Pretty much all the writers I've talked to support the strike.

I know the writers should get what they are asking for in terms of the online stuff, but I just want the strike to end for my shows. I don't care how.

There is a lot more to this deal than just the WGA's demands though, it's going to impact all of the other contracts.

And what do you consider honest work?

You are willing to have people beat up and not get paid a fair wage just to watch your shows?

If that is your goal why not wish for them just to get paid?

You are willing to have people beat up and not get paid a fair wage just to watch your shows?

If that is your goal why not wish for them just to get paid?Because that would hurt the economy, silly.

By the way, you can't blame the writers for the low quality of network TV. They don't have creative control.

or we could, you know, do it the legal way

Right. That's so why El Laberinto del Fauno Wo hu cang long and La Vita e Bella all won no Oscars and did not have any kind of popular following and made no money in the US-- because Americans are too stupid to watch foreign films.

:rolleyes:

(BTW, those are Pan's Labyrinth, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and Life is Beautiful.)

To be fair Kat, the films that get ballyhooed about the most in the US which are produced in the US are typically absent of much mental challenge. I suspect it's the Hollywood influence.

Although if you ask me, Hollywood should never, ever, touch a foreign film or do films about foreign countries. It's almost always rewritten into an Ameri-centric perspective which makes a hash of the country it's actually writen about.

By the way, you can't blame the writers for the low quality of network TV. They don't have creative control.

I never blamed them. I just said that wanting writers to be beaten up so one could watch mindless crap (for the most part) was a disproportionate response.

Not until the writer's get a fair deal. Until then I support them 100%.

By "fair deal" you mean that they will get paid a half a million more than a soldier?

I never blamed them. I just said that wanting writers to be beaten up so one could watch mindless crap (for the most part) was a disproportionate response.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people who were blaming them for that.

By "fair deal" you mean that they will get paid a half a million more than a soldier?... no?

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people who were blaming them for that.

Ah, sorry then. Talking at cross-purposes.

Though I admit now that I've been "forced" to watch Heroes that the writing for first season was pretty engaging.

By "fair deal" you mean that they will get paid a half a million more than a soldier?

Their demands don't come out to even remotely close to that. It comes out at about 20k a year, last I checked.

Their demands don't come out to even remotely close to that. It comes out at about 20k a year, last I checked.

I was exaggerating

I was exaggerating

Exaggeration really doesn't help make a point when it's that utterly ludicrous.

To be fair Kat, the films that get ballyhooed about the most in the US which are produced in the US are typically absent of much mental challenge. I suspect it's the Hollywood influence.

Although if you ask me, Hollywood should never, ever, touch a foreign film or do films about foreign countries. It's almost always rewritten into an Ameri-centric perspective which makes a hash of the country it's actually writen about.

yep... and no other country makes a film that is in their country's perspective and hashes other countries that it's supposidly about... :rolleyes: ;)

Ironicly (kicks spell checker. That HAS to be a word . . .)

Ironically, it is. ;)

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

Fuck your idea. We should give them what they want. Their demands are perfectly reasonable.

Besides, what makes you think forced writers would write anything good anyway? I know I wouldn't dare force the Daily Show or the Colbert Report writers to work...they'd intentionally turn out crap just to strike back at those oppressing them.

Not until the writer's get a fair deal. Until then I support them 100%.

Seconded.

Few things annoy me more than people who oppose a perfectly legitimate strike. And "anti-strike" idiots always spew their venom at the strikers, never at the people whose actions have caused the strikers to go on strike.

Be fair Kat, he said most. That doesn't exclude any kind of popular following.

Then there are those movies most people don't, or can't watch. There's a Surreal version of Alice in Wonderland that didn't get much attention, but was very well written (and kinda freaky too). Then again, Surrealism is pretty weird in itself, so I doubt very many people appreciate it as it is...

yep... and no other country makes a film that is in their country's perspective and hashes other countries that it's supposidly about... :rolleyes: ;)

Never said that. But then again, Hollywood has a much bigger budget than most other studios. You'd think expecting somewhat higher quality to story standards wouldn't be too much now would you?

The law that allows this is socialist. Unions are socialist. Let the market decide what writing is worth.

The market is deciding. The relevant sector of the labor market.

We are aware that a market transaction requires at least two agreeing parties, that there is more to "market" than simply "whatever the employer dictates," yes?

functionally a union is one of the purist examples of capitalism we have.

Never said that. But then again, Hollywood has a much bigger budget than most other studios. You'd think expecting somewhat higher quality to story standards wouldn't be too much now would you?

you did focus on Hollywood, saying...
Although if you ask me, Hollywood should never, ever, touch a foreign film or do films about foreign countries. It's almost always rewritten into an Ameri-centric perspective which makes a hash of the country it's actually writen about. and unless it's a documentary, I've seen foreign films doing the same with other countries. so to say Hollywood is doing it "almost always" is wrong.

also, you can't blame the story standards on the Studios. You blame the movie goers who make such films popular.

also, budget has nothing to do with any 'standard' except the techniques used in filming.

also, the more money the film uses to be made, the bigger the chance it will barely break even.

The law that allows this is socialist. Unions are socialist. Let the market decide what writing is worth.

The fact that writers feel the need to form a club to organize to bring their wages up is part of the market deciding. If there really were too many writers to make the wages high enough to live then there'd be scabs lined up around the block to fill the writers' shoes.

The market is deciding. The relevant sector of the labor market.

We are aware that a market transaction requires at least two agreeing parties, that there is more to "market" than simply "whatever the employer dictates," yes?

You're forgetting right-wing code speak.

Dread Scott = abortion.
States rights = racism
Market force = exploitation
pro-life = control women
compassionate = sadistic, but willing to lie about it
communist = anything to the left of Franco.

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

Indeed, I also miss the days of militant unionism in which big businesses got burnt and fat cats attacked.

Isn't that a wonderful, proportionate response.

Shouldn't there be a question mark at the end of that sentence?

Yes Cth. I don't really care about a bunch of politically correct writers getting what they want, I'm tired of my shows getting shortened or pushed back.

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I bet the studios are loving this. They can just show endless reruns for the next couple of months and resolve the strike in time for the new season.
They still make oodles of cash and blame the repeats on the writers, win:win.

I agree, the strike should be broken up like that. The idea that people have a right to unionize is communist.

Pfft, rights. What makes people think they really deserve any rights?

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?

Yeah, that's a good idea. And while you're at it, can you bring back flogging for uppity niggras that aren't at your beck and call?

And "anti-strike" idiots always spew their venom at the strikers, never at the people whose actions have caused the strikers to go on strike.Because those people have money.

By "fair deal" you mean that they will get paid a half a million more than a soldier?

The strike is mainly for the middle class of writers who rely on residuals to pay their mortgage. If you want to talk about us underpaying our military I'm sure there is a thread you can start.

Besides, if the money doesn't go to The Daily Show writers it won't go to soldiers, it will go to Viacom.

you did focus on Hollywood, saying...


Well, if you follow what I was replying to, it was on the basis of foreign films making a success in America. I used Hollywood as a contrast of local studios "going foreign" as it were. But hey, bring up Bollywood, or any of the other studios worldwide doing non-documentary films about other countries that aren't satire (anything goes in satire). I'd probably give them the same rating.


so to say Hollywood is doing it "almost always" is wrong.

???

Hollywood does movies taking place in foreign countries. Hollywood almost always screws up the presentation of the country. What's wrong with that statement? I didn't say Hollywood was the only one that did it.


also, you can't blame the story standards on the Studios. You blame the movie goers who make such films popular.

I'm not too sure about that. I'd put it at 50-50.


also, budget has nothing to do with any 'standard' except the techniques used in filming.


Yes, yes, I know what you're getting at. Still, it does seem to be, from my perspective, the bigger the budget of the film, the lower it's standards go as a storytelling vehicle.

Hire thugs to beat up strikers and use whatever means necessary to end the labor disputes.

This writers strike is really pissing me off. The studios should consider the old Ford method. This is LA, they could hire gang members for peanuts to deal with the strikers. That's quality TV. How much would you pay to see some of these actors on the picket line get hit with a baseball bat?
Haha. No.

You forget that the US is, realistically, a mediocracy. You start beating the shit out of your best writers, then your best writers will get the general public to beat the shit out of you, that's all there is to it.

Also, Ford was an anti-Semitic wank who made millions out of selling trucks to Nazi Germany up until 1941. Nice one there.

Indeed, I also miss the days of militant unionism in which big businesses got burnt and fat cats attacked.
Err which days were those?

Never really happened.

I don't watch much TV of any sort, but I wish the writers dispute could be resolved somehow, so tube-fed morons would stop posting on NSG and go back to their brain-numbing entertainment.

I should be a bit more nurturing of their inept attempts to interact with their media. But consider, there's probably millions more who are still just watching the repeats. The whole internet gets dumber with every week this goes on.

watches the fireworks, hmm you know you people don't need matches to make a fire, you'd be useful when lost in the wilderness.
Oh i think writers should be paid more, having said that imagine having no TV! it would mean people would actually do things like talk to their loved ones, shock!

Please don't stop arguing on my account (adds logs to the fire), then again the owners of the shows should have a decent backup script or at least be able to talk to their writers (lack of communication is a major cause of conflict).

Err which days were those?

Never really happened.

Roundabout 1900, Europe. Those are the ones I know about. It might have happened elsewhere, but I'm not sure about that. The image of the red rooster is reminiscent of those days. It was painted on the walls of the buildings to be burned.

By "fair deal" you mean that they will get paid a half a million more than a soldier?

Sounds good to me.

You're forgetting right-wing code speak.

Dread Scott = abortion.
States rights = racism
Market force = exploitation
pro-life = control women
compassionate = sadistic, but willing to lie about it
communist = anything to the left of Franco.

You mean Roe v. Wade, right? Dred Scott was a case related to slavery...

I watched Talladega Nights tonight and those writers and all the others who write crap like that don't deserve any more pay untill they pick up their act but those that write excellent scripts deserve a pay rise

I watched Talladega Nights tonight and those writers and all the others who write crap like that don't deserve any more pay untill they pick up their act but those that write excellent scripts deserve a pay rise

The problem is you can't judge if the righting is good or not. Something could fail and have great righting and vice versa.

We're worse off without the low brow US humour?

We're worse off without the low brow US humour?It's not just the humor, which in the case of the Daily Show is rather good, but also the tv series. Every once in a while, a jewel will appear from the midst of the multitude.

It's not just the humor, which in the case of the Daily Show is rather good, but also the tv series. Every once in a while, a jewel will appear from the midst of the multitude.

But alot of it is shit though; the worse part, when something is successful its almost a certainty that someone will be offended by it - and demand its taken off air (or played at a really late time).

Well, if you follow what I was replying to, it was on the basis of foreign films making a success in America. I used Hollywood as a contrast of local studios "going foreign" as it were. But hey, bring up Bollywood, or any of the other studios worldwide doing non-documentary films about other countries that aren't satire (anything goes in satire). I'd probably give them the same rating.

Oy vey. Bollywood movies are worse, if anything. I say this as an Indian-American, son of Indian parents. So...incredibly...cheesy. When people talk about movies in India they ask "How many songs? How many dances? How many fights?"

I watched Talladega Nights tonight and those writers and all the others who write crap like that don't deserve any more pay untill they pick up their act but those that write excellent scripts deserve a pay rise

Most good films don't take in $150million at the domestic box office.

I watched Talladega Nights tonight and those writers and all the others who write crap like that don't deserve any more pay untill they pick up their act but those that write excellent scripts deserve a pay rise

In addition to network television, writers do not have creative control in cinema.

What is a trolling puppet? :confused:

A puppet that trolls :p

A puppet that trolls :pActually, if Fris is to be believed, he is.

Roundabout 1900, Europe. Those are the ones I know about. It might have happened elsewhere, but I'm not sure about that. The image of the red rooster is reminiscent of those days. It was painted on the walls of the buildings to be burned.
Rare as hell.

We're worse off without the low brow US humour?

Apparently


NOT

I don't watch much TV of any sort, but I wish the writers dispute could be resolved somehow, so tube-fed morons would stop posting on NSG and go back to their brain-numbing entertainment.

I should be a bit more nurturing of their inept attempts to interact with their media. But consider, there's probably millions more who are still just watching the repeats. The whole internet gets dumber with every week this goes on.

The strike hasn only really affected a handful of shows so far. Besides, the most "brain-numbing" shows are non scripted and they'll go ahead regardless.

The strike hasn only really affected a handful of shows so far. Besides, the most "brain-numbing" shows are non scripted and they'll go ahead regardless.

Welcome to reality television,... :shudder:

Welcome to reality television,... :shudder:

That is what actually put the fear of god in me ... not that some cool shows would be delayed but the HUGE number of new reality shows slated to come in as their "replacements"

Guys, reality shows are scripted.

Yes, and reality t.v. is the next step in melting the minds of Americans. I swear how can people like shows where they learn the formula of how the show works in a week? Sheesh.

Oh and I laugh at GodsAmerica and that other guy recommending gang beatings so he can get his shows. It's nice to know we have all moved on from the point of barbarism. /sarcasm.

Guys, reality shows are scripted.

Oh yes we know,... and now, imagine it without any script.

Guys, reality shows are scripted.

They're described as "non-scripted" and more importantly they're not covered by the WGA.

I agree, the strike should be broken up like that. The idea that people have a right to unionize is communist.

Alright, who's puppet are you?

As for the writer's strike; I support their rights to unionize and strike, but other than that, I don't really care. I got disinterested in American TV ever since Boomerang wasn't free anymore.

Guys, reality shows are scripted.

Their writers are non union for the most part though ... I have heard up to 7 new reality shows to fill in the wake of the writers strike

Oh yes we know,... and now, imagine it without any script.

Interesting?

Interesting?

Probably, I don't have precognition capabilities,... but my logic dictates that the news would provide more entertainment than four people shoved into the same room without any "guiding" script.

Guys, reality shows are scripted.

I'll answer this yet again. First of all, while they are written, the final writing is done after the fact from transcripts and then compiled. The pre-writing is done for hosts (if there are any) and for the scenarios that make up the 'reality.' They will 'redo' or direct the 'reality,' but 99% of the time what is said is the participants. (we once redid an ambush-even the first ambush was proceeded by 11 trucks pulling up, an area release being posted, 4X4 bounce being set up, the ambushees having lavelier mics put on, and a steady cam operator gearing up. The second time we did it the little girl interrupted with, "You've already done this! Why are you doing it again?")

This is all done by people credited (usually) as "Associate Producers." These are not WGA members and not covered in their bargaining agreements. They get paid shit and are the only people on the reality show set who take the whole thing seriously.