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It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.

The way I figured it...if churches want a say in state run educational policy, then they have to pay in just like citizens and businesses do.

Probably wouldn't work in application, at least in the U.S., but perhaps elsewhere. In theory...what do you think?

It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

No, because it's not an alternative theory. It's not a theory at all. I'm not willing to weaken educational standards for any "compromise"

Fuck no. We should not teach baseless claims in school.

Besides, what about the non Christians? How does God create everything, if you do not even believe in God? Atheism is high in youth. The theists made up the minority at my school, and it doesn't seem to be an exception to the norm either.

It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

No. It's not science, so it does not belong in a science class.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.


I actually agree with this one. If churches want to be considered non-profit, they should have to earn it like any other organization. No more televangelists getting away with, "God wants you to give me $8 million. If I can't raise it, he said he'd KILL me!" tax-free.

No, because it's not an alternative theory. It's not a theory at all. I'm not willing to weaken educational standards for any "compromise"

Exactly.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7646/creationismqu7.jpg

Excellent comic, haha.

No, I'm not willing to compromise education in the name of political compromise. I think this is a political issue: the religious side is upset that their views aren't being represented in education as science, but - well - it's religion. Teach it as religion in churches; no way that all kids should be subject to it.

I know I'm not being very elegant in my phrasing or argument, but yeah, whatever. Compromising educational integrity to keep the Christian bloc politically content is just ridiculous.

No to the ID thing, for the reasons others have already posted.

A big yes to taxing religious organisations. They should be taxed in the same ways that any other business is taxed. Any charitable work they carry out or donations that they make should be made tax-exempt, following the same rules that make such things tax-exempt for any other business. Why they should be kept outside this system utterly escapes me, and always has.

ID, No...just no..

Church taxation, yes.

It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.

The way I figured it...if churches want a say in state run educational policy, then they have to pay in just like citizens and businesses do.

Probably wouldn't work in application, at least in the U.S., but perhaps elsewhere. In theory...what do you think?


As long as #1 is presented in an optional Theology class and not in a science class, you have a deal. :)

No, because Intelligent Design isn't a theory, its an outmoded belief that should have been defeated by science a long time ago, yet is having something of a resurgence in the USA and the UK at the expense of actual science.

Well, considering that many country churches are always short of money anyway, taxing them would be redundant.

I would very strongly protest any school that teaches fantasy as science. Tolkien et al may be great writers, but it's all fiction, just like ID.

It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.

The way I figured it...if churches want a say in state run educational policy, then they have to pay in just like citizens and businesses do.

Probably wouldn't work in application, at least in the U.S., but perhaps elsewhere. In theory...what do you think?

1) Show scientific proof that there is an Intelligent Designer to design intelligently.

2) Watch the congregations rise up with pitchfolks and burning torches. Oh, and by churches I hope you meant to include mosques, synangogues and other houses of worship...

Probably wouldn't work in application, at least in the U.S., but perhaps elsewhere. In theory...what do you think?No. Nono. Nonenonenono. No.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

If somehow and miraculously you manage to find a time slot in the school curriculum (without taking from other, much more justified subjects) to introduce a non-mandatory extra subject called "Alternative theology" or something, you may do that, as long as you adhere to the scientific standards expected in a school system, i.e. point out that there is no evidence for this etc.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.

I believe we ought to do this anyhow, and quite frankly, I fail to see any connection between #1 and #2.

I guess it's supposed to be some sort of compromise... if we do A, then in return we can do B as well. I fully object against the first point. If you can't live with the fact that centuries of scientific research has provided humanity with an ever-expanding body of knowledge that simply pushes the holy books aside as mythological works, I suggest you go live in a religious commune or a theocracy.

It's a two part proposal.

1. Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

2. Churches of all denominations will be subject to taxation.

No. What do educators get out of this? They have to teach something they overwhelmingly find to be of no educational value. Do they get a pay raise?

The way I figured it...if churches want a say in state run educational policy, then they have to pay in just like citizens and businesses do.

... er, businesses get a say in state-run education policy? What kind of Corporate Bordello are you living in?

Probably wouldn't work in application, at least in the U.S., but perhaps elsewhere. In theory...what do you think?

I'm living in the big wide elsewhere. Teachers would strike if you tried to intervene in their curriculum for such blatant tax-raising reasons.

Plus, there'd be a wave of suicide bombings by teenage students from religious schools. They'd be dead pissed-off about your meddling policy taking away from their God-free time with the hot biology teacher.

Hmm. I don't seem to be taking the suggestion seriously. Fancy that.

Apropos of nothing:

Suicide bombers are dead pissed-off.

Boom-boom. That's all folks.

1. No. Intelligent Design has it's place, and that is not in schools.
2. Tax religons and you'll probably get excommunicated by the Pope or something. Only trouble down that path.

Intelligent design will be presented as an alternative theory to evolution in public schools.

What do you think?

:D Thanks! That laugh made my day!

I imagine saying to a teammate:
"Have you studied for the Intelligent Design lesson? Darn, I forgot the answer to question a)!"
-God!
-Thanks, buddy, what about question d) ?
-The answer is "god"!
-Ahhh cool!"

Instead of teaching Intelligent Design, why not do the following instead. When teaching about evolution, point out that it is still a theory, with several significant loopholes. Just don't treat it as fact, then I would be happy.

1. Yes, but with LG's proposal of putting it in theology instead of science.

2. No.

1. Yes, but with LG's proposal of putting in theology instead of science.

2. No.

In my opinion, theology is a worthwhile school subject and can teach us quite a bit about the history of mankind and its current impact on the world. But as I said and you concurred, theology has no place in a science class.

2. Tax religons and you'll probably get excommunicated by the Pope or something.Oh well, the little nazi prick won't return my calls anyway.