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Since there are some Neo-Nazis running around here...I thought I ask if Do Left-Wingers see Whites as a inferior people? The believe among them is Lefties see whites as nothing more than pasty faced racists and inferior to all other races, also that white lefties wish they were non-white. Are they correct and Left-Wingers do see Whites as a inferior people, or do they really people nobody is inferior because of their skin color and skin color effects skin color only and everything else is random based on social/economic/hereditary/enviromental things.





I am more interested in the poll out come then anything else...and yes I understand this thread will turn out REALLY bad and people will get pissed REALLY fast. But I had to know, so I am throwing caution into the wind and hoping for the best.

FYI, I am mixed Black and White..So I am tanned and support the latter of the two arguments, I never saw myself as better than anybody based on my skin color and hope for a true color blind society where nobody cares about race on any level.


*Holds breath as I press submit*

I thought I ask if Do Left-Wingers see Whites as a inferior people?

No, we don't.

No, we don't.



I like you.:D

Somebody said I guess.....should have made this public but I didn't.

Uh...no. That's the whole point to not being a racist...you don't think of anyone's ethnicity as "inferior."

What gave you that impression, anyway? Stuff like affirmative action? The idea there is to equalize and eliminate the general advantage that those of pink skin colour--commonly referred to as whites for some reason--hold over all others, not make them inferior.

the fuck? Do you have any sort of evidence to back up this position on what "liberals think"?

Uh...no. That's the whole point to not being a racist...you don't think of anyone's ethnicity as "inferior."

What gave you that impression, anyway? Stuff like affirmative action? The idea there is to equalize and eliminate the general advantage that those of pink skin colour--commonly referred to as whites for some reason--hold over all others, not make them inferior.


I was just asking based on others views not my own. And who in the fuck said yes!

I was just asking based on others views not my own.

Whose views, exactly?

And who in the fuck said yes!

someone who wanted to mess with an obviously silly poll?

the fuck? Do you have any sort of evidence to back up this position on what "liberals think"?


Not my view junior, some think that so ask them.

Hah! Nice topic. :p

I've noticed a good number of people, here in California as well as back east, who equate whiteness with all that is evil and contemptible; however, this is quite different from racism, since it's merely the belief that white people are "responsible" for whatever the evil is, be it capitalism or commerce or imperialism or non-left causes in general. It's not as if capitalism or non-leftism is in the skin, in other words - they're simply accustomed to seeing white people as bringers of bad things. Of course, many noted communists have been white, and many rightists have been tan (brown, darker, whatever) but in some specific areas, a person's politics can be somewhat predictable given their skin color. :p

Since there are some Neo-Nazis running around here...I thought I ask if Do Left-Wingers see Whites as a inferior people? The believe among them is Lefties see whites as nothing more than pasty faced racists and inferior to all other races, also that white lefties wish they were non-white. Are they correct and Left-Wingers do see Whites as a inferior people, or do they really people nobody is inferior because of their skin color and skin color effects skin color only and everything else is random based on social/economic/hereditary/enviromental things.





I am more interested in the poll out come then anything else...and yes I understand this thread will turn out REALLY bad and people will get pissed REALLY fast. But I had to know, so I am throwing caution into the wind and hoping for the best.

FYI, I am mixed Black and White..So I am tanned and support the latter of the two arguments, I never saw myself as better than anybody based on my skin color and hope for a true color blind society where nobody cares about race on any level.


*Holds breath as I press submit*

Yes. As a left-winger, I consider white people inferior because that is what the left-wing hive mind instructs me to think. As this left-wing hive mind definitley exists, the question is not ridiculously stupid in the slightest.

Whose views, exactly?



someone who wanted to mess with an obviously silly poll?


I don't think its silly.....should have made it public.

Not my view junior, some think that so ask them.

I'll ask again, WHO "thinks that"? Do you have some source to demonstrate that people "think that"?

I don't think they see them as inferior physically, but blame them for everything. Self-loathing whites are the lowest of the low.

That's why all you hear about problems in the third world is that it's the "West's fault." Codename for it's whitey.

Yes. As a left-winger, I consider white people inferior because that is what the left-wing hive mind instructs me to think. As this left-wing hive mind definitley exists, the question is not ridiculously stupid in the slightest.

DO NOT REVEAL THE SECRET OF THE LIBERAL HIVE MIND!

Hah! Nice topic. :p

I've noticed a good number of people, here in California as well as back east, who equate whiteness with all that is evil and contemptible; however, this is quite different from racism, since it's merely the belief that white people are "responsible" for whatever the evil is, be it capitalism or commerce or imperialism or non-left causes in general. It's not as if capitalism or non-leftism is in the skin, in other words - they're simply accustomed to seeing white people as bringers of bad things. Of course, many noted communists have been white, and many rightists have been tan (brown, darker, whatever) but in some specific areas, a person's politics can be somewhat predictable given their skin color. :p

Ok, not what I was expecting but I'll take it....

DO NOT REVEAL THE SECRET OF THE LIBERAL HIVE MIND!

But why?! I thought we were supposed to induct everyone INTO the hive mind by now!

I'll ask again, WHO "thinks that"? Do you have some source to demonstrate that people "think that"?



I mean some people think lefties think that, its obvious who.

Ok, not what I was expecting but I'll take it....

I wouldn't. That guy performs surgery on himself. DAILY. He's freaking nuts.

But why?! I thought we were supposed to induct everyone INTO the hive mind by now!

we're not going to be able to DO that if they know about it. Fucking hell people, we've been trying to YEARS to hide Hillary's telephathic external brain lobes and now you go and blow it.

I mean some people think lefties think that, its obvious who.

ooh, I see "people" think that. Why of course, how dare I question your position and claims, it's so obvious that "people" think it, despite no evidence of that.

Of course left-wingers don't think that, the question is moronic.

I wouldn't. That guy performs surgery on himself. DAILY. He's freaking nuts.

You say that like it's a bad thing.. And the people who said yes and on some levels are cowards for not stating why.

I mean some people think lefties think that, its obvious who.

In general, you will find those that actually think that of the Caucasian ethnicity are no more left-winged than George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton. At least not when it comes to the social scale...maybe economically or politically, but not socially.

we're not going to be able to DO that if they know about it. Fucking hell people, we've been trying to YEARS to hide Hillary's telephathic external brain lobes and now you go and blow it.
Well, fuck man, I'm new to this shit. Give me a break.

You say that like it's a bad thing.. And the people who said yes and on some levels are cowards for not stating why.

because they're messing with your poll, because the answer should be so obvious that there should be no poll, therefore posting one is only good for comedic value.

ooh, I see "people" think that. Why of course, how dare I question your position and claims, it's so obvious that "people" think it, despite no evidence of that.

Of course left-wingers don't think that, the question is moronic.



I am not surprised you didn't get it. Did you miss the Neo-Nazi remark in the OP? Of course not! And why do I have the feeling you still don't get what I meant.

I wouldn't. That guy performs surgery on himself. DAILY. He's freaking nuts.

That's silly.

On topic:

Try performing this simple experiment:

Take a few boxes of crayons and a few rolls of butcher paper to your local junior high. Distribute appropriate numbers of each to a good sample of students. Instruct them to draw a picture of what they think 'The Man' looks like. There may be a generation gap significant enough that you might need to explain to a few of them what you mean by The Man, but I think the results will bear out what I described earlier. :p

You say that like it's a bad thing.. And the people who said yes and on some levels are cowards for not stating why.

It is a bad thing because performing surgery on yourself is incredibly dangerous, yet he acts like it's nothing. He even steals hospital supplies to do it. (Don't believe me? He admitted it! Search his posting history!)

As such that makes anything he says not all that trustworthy at best, and completely unbelievable at worst.

As for those who voted yes...I did just because it'd be funny to screw up this ridiculous poll.

because they're messing with your poll, because the answer should be so obvious that there should be no poll, therefore posting one is only good for comedic value.


Obvious to some, not to a racist neo-nazi using that against you. Thats why I asked, I have heard them say it just no left wing counters to it. Try shitfront.....ummm...I mean stormfront.

I am not surprised you didn't get it. Did you miss the Neo-Nazi remark in the OP? Of course not! And why do I have the feeling you still don't get what I meant.

No, I understand just what you're asking, which is, phrased better. You are asking "some people, like neo nazis, say that left wingers believe that whites are inferior. Do left wingers, in fact, think whites are inferior?"

The answer, obviously, of course, is that "no, left wingers do not think whites are inferior" and the answer should be so obvious that the reason you post the poll in the first place is odd.

No, I understand just what you're asking, which is, phrased better. You are asking "some people, like neo nazis, say that left wingers believe that whites are inferior. Do left wingers, in fact, think whites are inferior?"

The answer, obviously, of course, is that "no, left wingers do not think whites are inferior" and the answer should be so obvious that the reason you post the poll in the first place is odd.



Just thought I'd ask. Not hurting anybody by asking...Maybe a nazi will see this and change his mind...NOT!

Obvious to some, not to a racist neo-nazi using that against you.

These are people who typically do not respond well to things like reason.

Thats why I asked, I have heard them say it just no left wing counters to it. Try shitfront.....ummm...I mean stormfront.

Because most left wingers are smart enough not to bother arguing with nazis...it's not like it ever encounters anything.

It is a bad thing because performing surgery on yourself is incredibly dangerous, yet he acts like it's nothing. He even steals hospital supplies to do it. (Don't believe me? He admitted it! Search his posting history!)

As such that makes anything he says not all that trustworthy at best, and completely unbelievable at worst.

As for those who voted yes...I did just because it'd be funny to screw up this ridiculous poll.


Your mean....:mad:


This thread isn't going the way I thought it would....

Death to whitey!

Death to whitey!


YES.....wait a mintue....NO!

Your mean....:mad:


This thread isn't going the way I thought it would....

My mean what?

And I'm not mean. I'm blunt. Occasionally as a result of that I can be offensive, but it's never really intentional.

My mean what?

And I'm not mean. I'm blunt. Occasionally as a result of that I can be offensive, but it's never really intentional.


I still wanna know who said maybe....And mean for messing up my purdy poll!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

But why?! I thought we were supposed to induct everyone INTO the hive mind by now!

Not yet, tovarisch. Not until the hive mind gives the signal.

I still wanna know who said maybe....And mean for messing up my purdy poll!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

I said 'maybe,' on the basis of what I've seen. Some people see white people as the Establishment, more or less. Others don't. Not exactly a revelation to anyone who has lived longer than a couple decades. :p

I still wanna know who said maybe....And mean for messing up my purdy poll!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

See, here's the thing. Normally I don't try to mess up polls because it is rather mean to do that to people. But usually said polls are actually reasonable.

This one isn't. It's a question that probably shouldn't have even been asked unless you were a child(and by that I mean you lacked the developed logical thinking skills of an adult.) As you are now the question is not all that reasonable because you should easily figure out the answer.

By the very nature of social left-wingism, we cannot be racists, pure and simple.

Duh, otherwise they wouldn't attack and despise every thing "white".

Your mean....:mad:


This thread isn't going the way I thought it would....

You mean you thought we'd reinforce your stereotypes and paranoia?

You mean you thought we'd reinforce your stereotypes and paranoia?

It wouldn't be the first time.

Kontor: Yes, that makes a hell of a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should try examining and learning what is really going on rather than making baseless assumptions.

Duh, otherwise they wouldn't attack and despise every thing "white".

Yup, I hate everything white, that's me. I hate white people so much I support giving minorities equal oppurtunities. I'm so ashamed.

Not yet, tovarisch. Not until the hive mind gives the signal.

Our current task is just to push The Gay Agenda on everyone.

Yup, I hate everything white, that's me. I hate white people so much I support giving minorities equal oppurtunities. I'm so ashamed.

Indeed. I despise my skin colour and wish to turn it black like I truly am inside.

To the extent which there is anti-white sentiment in the leftward parties, it's not so much a matter of race hate as it is a matter of self hate. Here's my theory:

Everybody is prejudiced. In the United States, most everybody holds at least subconscious prejudices against black people due to vicious cycles begun with colonialism/slavery and fed by mass media portrayals of African-Americans and Africa. And it's not only white people who hold these prejudices. Inferiority complexes help the sustain negative aspects of black culture in even today's youth.

Liberals are comprised mainly of people who recognize this prejudice is present in society and revile it. When anti-black thoughts and prejudices arise in themselves, they repress them and deny their existence, but such things are hard to keep down if they're ignored, so they run away from them and force themselves to swallow more and more reactionary sentiments. Consequently, the liberal will fawn more over perceived "minority" issues to convince themselves that they are unprejudiced, while ignoring opposing viewpoints, regardless of validity.

Bottom line: anti-white racism in liberals is actually liberals just trying not to be anti-minority racist.

Our current task is just to push The Gay Agenda on everyone.

And to spread global warming lies.

To the extent which there is anti-white sentiment in the leftward parties, it's not so much a matter of race hate as it is a matter of self hate. Here's my theory:

Everybody is prejudiced. In the United States, most everybody holds at least subconscious prejudices against black people due to vicious cycles begun with colonialism/slavery and fed by mass media portrayals of African-Americans and Africa. And it's not only white people who hold these prejudices. Inferiority complexes help the sustain negative aspects of black culture in even today's youth.

Liberals are comprised mainly of people who recognize this prejudice is present in society and revile it. When anti-black thoughts and prejudices arise in themselves, they repress them and deny their existence, but such things are hard to keep down if they're ignored, so they run away from them and force themselves to swallow more and more reactionary sentiments. Consequently, the liberal will fawn more over perceived "minority" issues to convince themselves that they are unprejudiced, while ignoring opposing viewpoints, regardless of validity.

Bottom line: anti-white racism in liberals is actually liberals just trying not to be anti-minority racist.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You start from a faulty premise and work yourself further and further into ignorant oblivion.

To the extent which there is anti-white sentiment in the leftward parties, it's not so much a matter of race hate as it is a matter of self hate. Here's my theory:

Everybody is prejudiced. In the United States, most everybody holds at least subconscious prejudices against black people due to vicious cycles begun with colonialism/slavery and fed by mass media portrayals of African-Americans and Africa. And it's not only white people who hold these prejudices. Inferiority complexes help the sustain negative aspects of black culture in even today's youth.

Liberals are comprised mainly of people who recognize this prejudice is present in society and revile it. When anti-black thoughts and prejudices arise in themselves, they repress them and deny their existence, but such things are hard to keep down if they're ignored, so they run away from them and force themselves to swallow more and more reactionary sentiments. Consequently, the liberal will fawn more over perceived "minority" issues to convince themselves that they are unprejudiced, while ignoring opposing viewpoints, regardless of validity.

Bottom line: anti-white racism in liberals is actually liberals just trying not to be anti-minority racist.



Nice post...


What is happening here is what I expected, a bunch of lefties attacking me over something I already said I didn't believe..at least twice. No shock there.

Since there are some Neo-Nazis running around here...I thought I ask if Do Left-Wingers see Whites as a inferior people? The believe among them is Lefties see whites as nothing more than pasty faced racists and inferior to all other races, also that white lefties wish they were non-white. Are they correct and Left-Wingers do see Whites as a inferior people, or do they really people nobody is inferior because of their skin color and skin color effects skin color only and everything else is random based on social/economic/hereditary/enviromental things.





I am more interested in the poll out come then anything else...and yes I understand this thread will turn out REALLY bad and people will get pissed REALLY fast. But I had to know, so I am throwing caution into the wind and hoping for the best.

FYI, I am mixed Black and White..So I am tanned and support the latter of the two arguments, I never saw myself as better than anybody based on my skin color and hope for a true color blind society where nobody cares about race on any level.


*Holds breath as I press submit*

I believe that our Kryptonian race is far superior to your human race here on planet Houston, and I shall demonstrate how so: (*shoots you with eye lasers*)

It has nothing to do with anybody's skin color. I couldn't care less if you were white, black, red, yellow, orange, brown, green, blue, gray, or any mixture of those. The issue of superiority and inferiority is not decided by such inconsequential things as "race" or "skin color"; it is decided by what planet you are from. You humans are indigenous to this planet Houston; I am from planet Krypton; because of that, and because your yellow sun gives me unlimited powers that it does NOT give YOU, I am superior to you!

Now KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

Nice post...


What is happening here is what I expected, a bunch of lefties attacking me over something I already said I didn't believe..at least twice. No shock there.

We're not attacking you. We're attacking the argument. Admittedly some of us have been a little harsher in our sarcasm than we should have been, but that's going to happen pretty much no matter who you talk to or what about.

KneelBeforeZod: Dude. I said it before. IT'S NOT FUNNY.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You start from a faulty premise and work yourself further and further into ignorant oblivion.

Sounds like somebody's in denial!

I believe that our Kryptonian race is far superior to your human race here on planet Houston, and I shall demonstrate how so: (*shoots you with eye lasers*)

It has nothing to do with anybody's skin color. I couldn't care less if you were white, black, red, yellow, orange, brown, green, blue, gray, or any mixture of those. The issue of superiority and inferiority is not decided by such inconsequential things as "race" or "skin color"; it is decided by what planet you are from. You humans are indigenous to this planet Houston; I am from planet Krypton; because of that, and because your yellow sun gives me unlimited powers that it does NOT give YOU, I am superior to you!

Now KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

I'm impressed with the way you managed to find a situation in which this schtick of yours actually works. :D HAIL ZOD!

KneelBeforeZod: Dude. I said it before. IT'S NOT FUNNY.

Don't listen to this nonsense, I find it hilarious. But I am very tired.

Every time I hear someone say 'Liberals' and 'Socialists' as if they are the same thing, I sigh and think 'only in America'...

Kyronea, hell will freeze over before I let a 20 year old fresh outta high school bother me.

Every time I hear someone say 'Liberals' and 'Socialists' as if they are the same thing, I sigh and think 'only in America'...

QFT

Every time I hear someone say 'Liberals' and 'Socialists' as if they are the same thing, I sigh and think 'only in America'...

Funny, I never said that...Who did?

Sounds like somebody's in denial!

Yes. I am clearly in denial of my own racism against my own ethnicity. Please liberate me oh intelligent one. :rolleyes:

Bigotry is natural in a sense, yes, but only as a result of tribalistic instincts that cause someone to find a group and promote its welfare over all others. Thing is, with humans, this extends not only to ethnicities and nations, but to various other groups, like sports teams, or brands of products, high schools, ect ect.

Furthermore, simple education about tolerance and/or some serious critical thinking about the subject is enough to push these instincts aside and allow the sapient intelligence to take control and not be bigoted.

I am not a bigot towards anyone, mate, nor are most liberals. Is there some sentiment from those who claim to be left-wing? Certainly. But as I said before, they do not qualify as left-wing on the social scale. On either the political or economic scale, they could still be technically(since after all left wing means completely different things on each of those scales) but they wouldn't be on a social scale no matter what they claim.

Kyronea, hell will freeze over before I let a 20 year old fresh outta high school bother me.
I see. You cannot form suitable counter arguments so you'd rather just insult me? Fine with me. It means I win.

Funny, I never said that...Who did?

I am referring to to the left-liberal movement in America, 'leftism' for these individuals is the description given to the promotion of minorities above the larger community as a whole. 'Left Liberals' are fond to trying to appeal to 'civil rights for minorities'. The ulterior objective behind such ideology is based upon a desire to divide and rule. In other words, whilst these organizations are offering support to so-called "oppressed minorities", such as homosexuals, Black Power groups and rebellious middle class students, they are in fact creating disunity amongst the ordinary members of society by ensuring that they possess the only banner behind which degeneracy and abnormality can find a safe haven from the seemingly encroaching rigors of normality. Any true Marxist uses material dialectics to analysis struggle with the economic class, and ignores this ridiculous libertarian tripe for anti-social groups.

I am referring to to the left-liberal movement in America, 'leftism' for these individuals is the description given to the promotion of minorities above the larger community as a whole. 'Left Liberals' are fond to trying to appeal to 'civil rights for minorities'. The ulterior objective behind such ideology is based upon a desire to divide and rule. In other words, whilst these organizations are offering support to so-called "oppressed minorities", such as homosexuals, Black Power groups and rebellious middle class students, they are in fact creating disunity amongst the ordinary members of society by ensuring that they possess the only banner behind which degeneracy and abnormality can find a safe haven from the seemingly encroaching rigors of normality. Any true Marxist uses material dialectics to analysis struggle with the economic class, and ignores this ridiculous libertarian tripe for anti-social groups.
You have no idea what you're talking about either.

Yes. I am clearly in denial of my own racism against my own ethnicity. Please liberate me oh intelligent one. :rolleyes:Okay, I will proceed to liberate. Let me go to Walmart and grab some condoms first...

Bigotry is natural in a sense, yes, but only as a result of tribalistic instincts that cause someone to find a group and promote its welfare over all others. Thing is, with humans, this extends not only to ethnicities and nations, but to various other groups, like sports teams, or brands of products, high schools, ect ect.Indeed. Consider how much worse it would be if supporters of sports teams never took off their colors, and talked and dressed in different ways, and if instead of sports, it was a real life conflict that has taken place for generations.

Furthermore, simple education about tolerance and/or some serious critical thinking about the subject is enough to push these instincts aside and allow the sapient intelligence to take control and not be bigoted.But simple education isn't enough for a complex subject. The tendency for the human brain is to simplify. I know from experience with my own prejudices, and observing those of others, that one may be extremely intelligent and well-versed in the issues surrounding ethnic relations, but still blush or have trouble looking a person of another ethnicity in the eye.

I am not a bigot towards anyone, mate, nor are most liberals. Is there some sentiment from those who claim to be left-wing? Certainly. But as I said before, they do not qualify as left-wing on the social scale. On either the political or economic scale, they could still be technically(since after all left wing means completely different things on each of those scales) but they wouldn't be on a social scale no matter what they claim.BS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). Everybody's bigoted. Bigotry is inevitable when a finite brain comes in contact with an infinite, irreducibly complex world. Professed philosophy is only a mask behind which to hide one's personal biases.

You have no idea what you're talking about either.
Nice one-line response which proves nothing.

Okay, I will proceed to liberate. Let me go to Walmart and grab some condoms first...
I like your sense of humor. No really, I do.

Indeed. Consider how much worse it would be if supporters of sports teams never took off their colors, and talked and dressed in different ways, and if instead of sports, it was a real life conflict that has taken place for generations.
My point is that the same instinctual thinking process affects that. Ever seen riots between fans of opposing sports teams? Hell, just look at how Broncos fans act towards the Raiders!

But simple education isn't enough for a complex subject. The tendency for the human brain is to simplify. I know from experience with my own prejudices, and observing those of others, that one may be extremely intelligent and well-versed in the issues surrounding ethnic relations, but still blush or have trouble looking a person of another ethnicity in the eye.

True. By simple I meant that the basics of the education itself are pretty easy: "Teach people to be tolerant when they're little kids and they'll grow up that way." It worked for me, anyway.

BS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman). Everybody's bigoted. Bigotry is inevitable when a finite brain comes in contact with an infinite, irreducibly complex world. Professed philosophy is only a mask behind which to hide one's personal biases.
I'm sorry, what? There is no such thing as irreducible complexity, unless you want to start praising Intelligent Design next.

That said, BIAS does always happen. I have bias myself. I tend to be pretty biased against those who would hate others based on ridiculously stupid things like ethnicity, sexual orientation, and the like. I can become pretty passionate about my dislike of the idea, in fact.

But therein lies the key. I despise the IDEA, not the people. Furthermore, I believe that everyone can change so long as they're willing to, meaning that hardcore Neo-Nazi could turn into a nice liberal if they were willing(how one would make them willing is another thing entirely, so please don't go after me on that.)

Our current task is just to push The Gay Agenda on everyone.

But I was told that we were supposed to turn the United States into a Caliphate. Which project are we supposed to be focused on right now? Can't the Hive make up its mind?

Nice one-line response which proves nothing.

You're right. It proves nothing on its own. I'll simply let your posting history speak for itself.

I think of White people as lesser in the sense that they gained power from stealing ideas from others and all that.

I'm sorry, what? There is no such thing as irreducible complexity, unless you want to start praising Intelligent Design next.Sorry - too many Christians where I went to college - but for our purposes, most large-scale social issues are too complex to hold the causes and mechanisms entirely in one's mind. That is, it's too complex to reduce to fully-understandable levels. In some cases we can only say that various social issues cause such and such without being able to entirely describe the mechanism; all the while, the part of the brain responsible for reductionism keeps suggesting that x-color people are just that way because they're x-color, that there's a genetic predisposition to whatever statistical discrepancies are in reality caused by complex social issues.

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/motivatemud.jpg

I'll simply let your posting history speak for itself.

Indeed.

Sorry - too many Christians where I went to college - but for our purposes, most large-scale social issues are too complex to hold the causes and mechanisms entirely in one's mind. That is, it's too complex to reduce to fully-understandable levels. In some cases we can only say that various social issues cause such and such without being able to entirely describe the mechanism; all the while, the part of the brain responsible for reductionism keeps suggesting that x-color people are just that way because they're x-color, that there's a genetic predisposition to whatever statistical discrepancies are in reality caused by complex social issues.
Ah, okay. That makes more sense. In some ways, you're right. Our brains are limited.

Still, I don't think that those limitations require some form of bigotry, nor do I think your assumptions you made earlier are accurate. Still, I can't disagree with you that our brains have limitations. That's what'll make new computer technology so useful once we can integrate it into our brains(or vice versa.) Removing those limits ought to really help matters.

But I was told that we were supposed to turn the United States into a Caliphate. Which project are we supposed to be focused on right now? Can't the Hive make up its mind?

Well, obviously the hive-mind flip-flops constantly, being liberal.

I am referring to to the left-liberal movement in America, 'leftism' for these individuals is the description given to the promotion of minorities above the larger community as a whole. 'Left Liberals' are fond to trying to appeal to 'civil rights for minorities'. The ulterior objective behind such ideology is based upon a desire to divide and rule. In other words, whilst these organizations are offering support to so-called "oppressed minorities", such as homosexuals, Black Power groups and rebellious middle class students, they are in fact creating disunity amongst the ordinary members of society by ensuring that they possess the only banner behind which degeneracy and abnormality can find a safe haven from the seemingly encroaching rigors of normality. Any true Marxist uses material dialectics to analysis struggle with the economic class, and ignores this ridiculous libertarian tripe for anti-social groups.

I actually agree with you on this:eek:.

We're not attacking you. We're attacking the argument. Admittedly some of us have been a little harsher in our sarcasm than we should have been, but that's going to happen pretty much no matter who you talk to or what about.

KneelBeforeZod: Dude. I said it before. IT'S NOT FUNNY.

(*shoots you with eye lasers*)

Hahahahahahah!

Worst joke thread evar.






Wait, this was a serious thread? Now it actually is somewhat amusing.

I for one, am half white, and generally appear to be all white. It's the bane of my existence, this whiteness. I try not to have sex with white guys because then I just become more white via contact, and that is bad. It is bad because white people are inherently bad. And white. Although really, they're sort of more light pink, especially when you pinch them. Try it. Pinch a white person and see what colour it makes.

Uh...no. That's the whole point to not being a racist...you don't think of anyone's ethnicity as "inferior."

Indeed. It's not often that I'm surprised by an NS thread, but this one... well...


What gave you that impression, anyway?

I was wondering that too...

I for one, am half white, and generally appear to be all white. It's the bane of my existence, this whiteness. I try not to have sex with white guys because then I just become more white via contact, and that is bad. It is bad because white people are inherently bad. And white.

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Although really, they're sort of more light pink, especially when you pinch them. Try it. Pinch a white person and see what colour it makes.

*pinches self*

Nothing happens.

I'm defective! :eek:

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*pinches self*

Nothing happens.

I'm defective! :eek:

You're not doing it hard enough whitey. If that doesn't work, I suggest a spanking. Then you'll see the colour I'm talking about.

You're not doing it hard enough whitey. If that doesn't work, I suggest a spanking. Then you'll see the colour I'm talking about.

It's difficult to administer a spanking to oneself. :p

You're not doing it hard enough whitey. If that doesn't work, I suggest a spanking. Then you'll see the colour I'm talking about.

Most effective of all however is the pink belly!

Indeed. I despise my skin colour and wish to turn it black like I truly am inside.

If your insides are black I would advice you to stop smoking. :p

That's silly.

On topic:

Try performing this simple experiment:

Take a few boxes of crayons and a few rolls of butcher paper to your local junior high. Distribute appropriate numbers of each to a good sample of students. Instruct them to draw a picture of what they think 'The Man' looks like. There may be a generation gap significant enough that you might need to explain to a few of them what you mean by The Man, but I think the results will bear out what I described earlier. :p

People associate the phrase "The Man" with the expression "You da man!" now.

Adolph Hitler, Count Dracula and Emperor Palpatine were all white. *nod*

Adolph Hitler, Count Dracula and Emperor Palpatine were all white. *nod*

I would like to highlight that throughout history, there has never been a clown wearing black greasepaint. They're always WHITE.

*Points at LG and shrieks like a Pod Person*

Race is a stupid illusion that should never be brought up, ever. Our society should be moving into a "one race" philosophy. However, some racist conservative white supremacists and some racist white-hating liberals want to institutionalize race and racism, whether it be Jim Crow laws or Affirmative Action. People make their own paths, and should not be judged based on what their ancestors did or had done to them and should not be judged based on any superficial ad minor physical differences.

Why do people feel the need to capitalize "whites"? Whenever someone does that it gives me the feeling they're neo-nazi.

Race is a stupid illusion that should never be brought up, ever. Our society should be moving into a "one race" philosophy. However, some racist conservative white supremacists and some racist white-hating liberals want to institutionalize race and racism, whether it be Jim Crow laws or Affirmative Action. People make their own paths, and should not be judged based on what their ancestors did or had done to them and should not be judged based on any superficial ad minor physical differences.

"Hey! Let's reap all the benefits of exploiting a certain people...then, after some time has passed and our status is essentially set, we'll convince the people we've exploited that their misery is their own fault, and accuse them of racism when they (rightly) bring up the ways in which our exploitation of them continues to affect them and benefit us."

People make their own paths, and should not be judged based on what their ancestors had done to them

Right, because that never has any consequence on their lives. :rolleyes: Not in Australia, not anywhere...

"Hey! Let's reap all the benefits of exploiting a certain people...then, after some time has passed and our status is essentially set, we'll convince the people we've exploited that their misery is their own fault, and accuse them of racism when they (rightly) bring up the ways in which our exploitation of them continues to affect them."

Aahh, yes, because all whites who don't support Affirmative Action are, in fact, a hive-mind with that mindset? Mmhmm.

Personally, I'm not sure what to think about Affirmative Action, but from my standpoint (i.e. a right-wing whitey), it looks like nothing more than solving the illegal immigration problem by "securing the border," whatever the fuck that means.

I know in other threads the "they did it too" argument doesn't hold water; well, again, from my standpoint, that's what it seems like the AA defence boils down to -- because the Establishment promoted the white race above others, it's somehow morally right to promote non-whites over whites. But they're the majority, so it's okay to screw them over.

Now, while the institutionalized racism is morally repugnant, and the racism still prevalent today is abhorrent, I'm not sure of Affirmative Action is really necessarily all that better. OF course, AA isn't all bad, it's done some great things, and let some of the non-whites that were fucked by the system to get off their feet. I just don't think it's the right way to go about it in the long run.

Which was a huge tangent to my main point, which was just because someone doesn't support AA, it doesn't mean they are A) excusing the previous racism or B) a racist themselves.

Oh, and the question presented in this thread is stupid.

*skip ethnocentric whining*
Yeah, what I said couldn't possibly apply to anyone but the ebil Whites versus the poor Coloured.

Small, small mind.

Yeah, what I said couldn't possibly apply to anyone but the ebil Whites versus the poor Coloured.

My apologies if I misinterpreted your post, but this post, in fact, supported my point -- i.e. dismissing any questioning of Affirmative Action (not even condemnation, merely presenting a question) as laced with underlying racism.

And your argument can apply to many things, the topic at hand is, currently, race, so it was a legitimate connection to make.

Again, if I misinterpreted you, I apologize; Feel free to explain what you were getting across.

I would like to highlight that throughout history, there has never been a clown wearing black greasepaint. They're always WHITE.

*Points at LG and shrieks like a Pod Person*

Jeez, if you keep going on like that, people could start to develop a fear of clowns. :p

I don't really consider any race "superior" or "inferior". Every one of them has their faults and their strengths. I DO consider Neo-Nazis inferior human beings, however.

I don't believe in race.

I believe in genetics, I believe in culture, I believe in skin colour. Yes.
Race? No.

So if there is no such thing as race what differentiates us beside the usual personal idiosyncrasies?

I don't believe in race.

I believe in genetics, I believe in culture, I believe in skin colour. Yes.
Race? No.

So if there is no such thing as race what differentiates us beside the usual personal idiosyncrasies?Does that mean you are biased based on skin colour, genetics or culture?

"Hey! Let's reap all the benefits of exploiting a certain people...then, after some time has passed and our status is essentially set, we'll convince the people we've exploited that their misery is their own fault, and accuse them of racism when they (rightly) bring up the ways in which our exploitation of them continues to affect them and benefit us."

First off, I never owned slaves. No member of my family ever owned slaves, ever. My family arrived in the US about 100 years after slavery ended. My family is middle class, and my parents were the first people in their families to go to collage ever. Their parents were the first to got to high school. They lived in tenements full of rats and bugs when they were kids. They had to share bathrooms with other dirty people and take baths in large buckets. How can you say my family and ancestors ever explotited black people? They never did, mainly beacuse they were too busy trying to get themselves out of the poverty their families had been in for over 1000 years. Through hard work, they did. Now I can got to school, use the internet, and buy new clothing thanks to them.

What about people like my family? We're "white" but we weren't considered "white" 60 years ago. Back then we were "ginnys", "wap" "Dagos", "greeseballs" the list goes on. Were is my affirmative action?

Here's a another story. Its about a former friend that I would have to say used to be my best friend. His mother was a successful lawyer and his father an emergency room surgeon. Both of them grew up in middle-class household as children. Their parents went to collage, but their granparents didn't. My friends's parents (and thus him) were obscenely rich. Very rich. They had a house over three times bigger then ours, had a maid (something we still can't afford) and all the newest video game systems. My friend was spoiled rotten, though his parents were ncie people. Now, beacuse he's rich he can fford a great private school eduction. Because he's rich, he can afford tutors and the like. Because he's spoiled and lazy he doesn't try in school. Because he's black he doesn't need to. He can rely on legacy from his parents and his race (something he can't control) to get a good education and career. Sadly I have to try.

The WASPs have extravagant wealth and legacy. The blacks have affermative action. What do people like me have? Nothing but our own blood, sweat and tears. Were is thwe justice in that? Why am I being punished? Is it beacuse my grandfather got beaten up by anti-catholic bigots when he was a teen? Is it beacuse my great grandmother didn't know english and was always denied work? Is it beacuse my great grandfather "looked like an arab"?

Why am I being punished for something I didn't do? The worst thing I said to a black person was calling my rich friend a retard or an ass-wipe, but I was making fun of him for being him, not for being black?

There is no justice in affirmative action, just as there was no justice in the Jim Crow laws. They're both the same thing.

Does that mean you are biased based on skin colour, genetics or culture?

No.
People have different skin colours, all that means is you need a different level of sunblock. People have different genetics that means my nose is different from your nose. People have different cultures, that means we have variations of opinion and diversity.

I believe the whole concept of "race" basically boils down to "your skin is x colour, so your culture must be y, you must be from z" which is completely untrue: I'm an extremely pale person (I seriously match the white background on my ID photo), yet I'm African <- that's my culture, I may not be Xhosa, or Cape Malay, or Zulu, or Afrikaans by birth, but I grew up influenced by those cultures, and my genetics may be colonial but that doesn't make me European.

Since there are some Neo-Nazis running around here...I thought I ask if Do Left-Wingers see Whites as a inferior people? The believe among them is Lefties see whites as nothing more than pasty faced racists and inferior to all other races, also that white lefties wish they were non-white. Are they correct and Left-Wingers do see Whites as a inferior people, or do they really people nobody is inferior because of their skin color and skin color effects skin color only and everything else is random based on social/economic/hereditary/enviromental things.





I am more interested in the poll out come then anything else...and yes I understand this thread will turn out REALLY bad and people will get pissed REALLY fast. But I had to know, so I am throwing caution into the wind and hoping for the best.

FYI, I am mixed Black and White..So I am tanned and support the latter of the two arguments, I never saw myself as better than anybody based on my skin color and hope for a true color blind society where nobody cares about race on any level.


*Holds breath as I press submit*

Although it appears that many lefties think this way, I would be hesitant to guess as to what a liberal thinks or even if they do.