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Every time I turn around I see support Ron Paul shit. Why do all these people support Ron Paul? From what I gather is it is because they are just as uninformed and ignorant as they accuse Ron Paul opponents of being. So does anyone here support Ron Paul? Why?

Because he's a Libertarian in Rebublican's clothing.

I support Ron Paul because it's actually RuPaul in disguise. ANd when he/she wins, all the Ron Paul supporters are in for the Utimate Surprise! :D

http://www.rem.ufpr.br/REMv7/Brett_Wood/RuPaul.jpg

:D

Because he's a Libertarian in Rebublican's clothing.

Now there's a recommendation if I ever heard one!

Because he's a Republican in Libertarian's clothing.

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Because he's a Libertarian in Rebublican's clothing.
Which he isn't. He's a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian in Republican's clothing.

It isn't hard to understand. Both Republicans and Democrats have had embarrassing showings in the White House and Congress, respectively. There's no groundswell for another Republican of any kind like those already in power, and no groundswell majority for any Democrat due to polarization along ABC (Anyone But Clinton) and other lines.

Is it any wonder that if "change" is desired and nobody in either party can really sell themselves as an agent of change except Obama, and his lack of experience and skin color and even his middle name are scaring too many way, that someone like Ron Paul can get attention?

Does anyone remember Ross Perot's first run? He pulled some 19% of the vote as a third party candidate for much the same basic reasons. More people are fed up with the status quo. There might not be enough to shake the two major parties out of power, so Paul runs as a Republican in order to pull the Libertarian Right for sure and perhaps get some of the Libertarian Left in the bargain.

Whether he's a genuine Libertarian or not is almost irrelevant. If he can borrow Libertarian credentials long enough to start a grassroots campaign, he could be a serious contender. He's second tier now, and that's not where he started.

Not only that, the Republican front-runners are starting to lose ground to another Arkansan in Mike Huckabee.

I don't know why. He's an "internet sensation," apparently. Whatever.

My ideal candidate for this election would be Mike Gravel. Of course, I'm told that he will never win and that voting for him would be wasting my vote and/or voting for Darth Vader and that I would therefore be a miserable rotten traitor for daring to vote on the basis of anything other than who is considered most likely to win. I for one believe everything I'm told, so my vote is for Anakin Skywalker.

did you start this thread to see how long it takes for a 1 post newbie to come on and defend ron paul?


because i think we should start a pool.....

Not only that, the Republican front-runners are starting to lose ground to another Arkansan in Mike Huckabee.
Huckabee is a crackpot himself, but at least he isn't as dangerous as Ron Paul. Though Ron Paul may be safer in the White House than Congress because as President his capabilities are severely limited compared to what he can do, and what he wants to do, in Congress.

I don't think the process of getting to the White House necessarily attracts the best or most qualified candidates. Therein lies the problem.

did you start this thread to see how long it takes for a 1 post newbie to come on and defend ron paul?


because i think we should start a pool.....

I'm in for most of the way through the second page. Let's say post 28, or thereabouts.

I'm in for most of the way through the second page. Let's say post 28, or thereabouts.

i had planned to take post 15 but its getting kinda close


WHERE ARE THE RON PAUL NUTCASES WHEN YOU NEED THEM?

i dont think anyone really supports him if our one-post defenders are at all representative. none of them seem to have even an elementary grasp of what his policies are and how they would not lead to the ends that the supporters so avidly promote.

I think it's cute how any time there's an anonymous poll on the subject Ron Paul gets ballot stuffed to the top of the pile. If it's a listed poll it's all folks no one ever sees post.

Every time I turn around I see support Ron Paul shit. Why?
Because you are inside the septic tank at Ron Paul's house, that's why. :D

WHERE ARE THE RON PAUL NUTCASES WHEN YOU NEED THEM?
Making new tinfoil hats and hitting up all the organic stores so the government doesn't poison them with stuff in the water and food.

Every time I turn around I see support Ron Paul shit. Why do all these people support Ron Paul? From what I gather is it is because they are just as uninformed and ignorant as they accuse Ron Paul opponents of being. So does anyone here support Ron Paul? Why?

Pretty propaganda and a need to be anti-establishment.

Because he's a Libertarian in Rebublican's clothing.

I thought Libertarians were supposed to value personal liberty?

Is it any wonder that if "change" is desired and nobody in either party can really sell themselves as an agent of change except Obama, and his lack of experience and skin color and even his middle name are scaring too many way, that someone like Ron Paul can get attention?

It's sad when people want change so badly that they view even backwards steps as a good thing.

Social libertarians gravitate to the Internet like moths to a porch light, and Ron Paul attracts economic libertarians like the same because he claims to support small government and 19th-century Republican Party ideals (ha ha. I can almost guarantee you that a President Paul will leave most of his Libertarian ideals on the White House's front porch). Many social libertarians are also economic libertarians. Voilà.

I support Ron Paul because I am tried of having to pay for government social programs that are made to economically oppress the poor and condition them to expect the government to provide for them. I support Ron Paul because he is for backing our monetary system with something of value rather than a system of nothing. I support Ron Paul because he is for ending the war in Iraq and stopping a needless war in Iran. I support Ron Paul because he wants to secure the borders by physically securing the border and coastlines, Enforcing visa rules, No amnesty, No welfare for illegal aliens, ending birthright citizenship. I support Ron Paul becuase he is for No National ID card, No assault weapon ban, No mandated trigger locks, No tax dollars to the Anti-gun United Nations. I support Ron Paul becuase he is for making medical expenses tax deductible, eliminating federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage to its employees, Allowing the use of supplements and vitamins to stay healthy, Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance compaines and drive down the cost of medical care, and allowing patients to buy cheaper prescription drugs from other countries. Ron Paul opposes WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and the NAU. Ron Paul will stop corporate welfare and polluters. Ron Paul will stop the looting of social security, Save $1 trillion overseas, reducing our debt which we will be able to help veterans, children and seniors, and cut taxes like many of these --->

Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL License Tax, Cigarette Tax, Corporate Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Federal Income Tax, Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA), Fishing License Tax, Food License Tax, Fuel Perm it Tax, Hunting License Tax, Inheritance Tax, Inventory Tax, IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax), IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax), Luxury Tax, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax, Service charge taxes, Social Security Tax, Road Usage Tax (Truckers), Recreational Vehicle Tax, Telephone Federal Excise Tax, Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax, Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax, Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax, Telephone Usage Charge Tax, Workers Compensation Tax. Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

Ron Paul opposes internet taxes and regulation!!
Ron Paul will protect our privacy and civil liberties!!

And in my opinion if we elect Ron Paul to the Presidency of the United States we will have broken the political machine and show the third party that it can happen.
Your thread is inflamatory and I suggest that you start one that you can express your support of your candidate. ( I hope I'm #28 )

I don't think the process of getting to the White House necessarily attracts the best or most qualified candidates. Therein lies the problem.

I posted this in another thread for the bit at the end, but the middle is relevant to this:

http://www.jibjab.com/view/127339

:)

Dang #19 - who won????

Ooh. I should add that, while social libertarians gravitate to the internet, they flee from politics simply because social libertarianism reduces the government's power and therefore no government figure would ever support it, especially after s/he was elected. However, some people -- largely strong anti-communists, a sentiment still highly prevalent in areas of the United States -- argue that economic liberty is equivalent with social liberty. As Paul is economically libertarian, his social authoritarianism is therefore overlooked and it is concluded that he is a candidate that favours "liberty".

I support Ron Paul because I am tried of having to pay for government social programs that are made to economically oppress the poor and condition them to expect the government to provide for them. I support Ron Paul because he is for backing our monetary system with something of value rather than a system of nothing.Gold Standard? Wow I think that's probably a horrifyingly bad idea. I support Ron Paul because he is for ending the war in Iraq and stopping a needless war in Iran. Good for him, he can tell which way the wind is blowing, more astute than most. I support Ron Paul because he wants to secure the borders by physically securing the border and coastlines, Enforcing visa rules, No amnesty, No welfare for illegal aliens, ending birthright citizenship. It's physically impossible to secure our boarders and would cost billions if not trillions to try. I believe the apt metaphor is a screen door on a submarine. No birthright citizenship? So are you going to have to take a test to become a citizen, or are we going Rome where only certain people are citizens and everyone else is a slave? I support Ron Paul becuase he is for No National ID card, Ok, now quick who supports this? No assault weapon ban,Quick, define Assault Weapon. No mandated trigger locks, No tax dollars to the Anti-gun United Nations. The UN is anti-gun? Huh, what do their troops use? Silly string? I support Ron Paul becuase he is for making medical expenses tax deductible,They already are. eliminating federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage to its employees,What the? Allowing the use of supplements and vitamins to stay healthy,fuck? Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance compaines and drive down the cost of medical care,Why the hell would they do that? Insurance companies, unlike everyone else, pay up. Why the hell would they want to be paid less? and allowing patients to buy cheaper prescription drugs from other countries. Ron Paul opposes WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and the NAU. So Ron Paul is anti-free trade? That's not very libertarian, hell that's not even very Republican. Ron Paul will stop corporate welfare and polluters.All good and well, but unlikely. Ron Paul will stop the looting of social security,good! Save $1 trillion overseas, reducing our debt which we will be able to help veterans, children and seniors, and cut taxes like many of these ---> Interesting, a trillion dollars you say? Well hell, that's what a third of a percent of our GDP? Trillion here trillion there sooner or later you're talking real money.Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.A century ago we had 48 states, a joke of a military, no interstate highway system and no indoor plumbing. Love the jab at women there too. So we can assume Ron Paul is anti-women's lib? OOh that's gonna cost ya.

Ron Paul opposes internet taxes and regulation!!
Ron Paul will protect our privacy and civil liberties!!Unless you're a woman, or a minority it seems.
And in my opinion if we elect Ron Paul to the Presidency of the United States we will have broken the political machine and show the third party that it can happen. That's right, you show the third party it can happen! By voting for one of the big two! That'll show 'em!
Your thread is inflamatory and I suggest that you start one that you can express your support of your candidate. ( I hope I'm #28 )


So, is there a mailing list you get this nonsense from or are ya'll a hive mind?

Every time I turn around I see support Ron Paul shit. Why do all these people support Ron Paul? From what I gather is it is because they are just as uninformed and ignorant as they accuse Ron Paul opponents of being. So does anyone here support Ron Paul? Why?

Why are you getting your kickers in a twist? It is not as if there is a better/worse candidate out there.

What Republican gets your approval anyway?

So, is there a mailing list you get this nonsense from or are ya'll a hive mind?

wheres your response to the OP?

So, is there a mailing list you get this nonsense from or are ya'll a hive mind?
Hive mind, mostly because many Ron Paul (sorry, Doctor Paul) supporters stink of puppetry (although not necessarily this guy).

wheres your response to the OP?

What? You're confusing.

Ron Paul opposes internet taxes and regulation!!

Ron Paul opposes net neutrality.

Ron Paul will protect our privacy and civil liberties!!

Not from the state governments, to whom he would try to give nearly unlimited power to invade our privacy and infringe upon our civil liberties. In fact, he's made it quite clear that he'd like to see his own racist, homophobic, and misogynistic views placed into state law and sometimes, despite his rhetoric to the contrary, in federal law as well.

And in my opinion if we elect Ron Paul to the Presidency of the United States we will have broken the political machine and show the third party that it can happen.

What third party? He's a Republican.


Gold Standard? Wow I think that's probably a horrifyingly bad idea.

I've never understood the obsession with the gold standard. Gold has no more inherent value than anything else. It has the value we give it.

So does anyone here support Ron Paul? Why?

Golly, reading the OP and posting in the correct thread seems to be pretty simple, but I guess for you its not, suprising, no not really...

3) "Post-whoring" will not be tolerated, and will be treated as spamming. If you're going to post, make sure you're adding something to the thread's discussion. Those of you who lost massive chunks of your post count in the recent purge, take note.

So Ron Paul is anti-free trade?

No, he's against managed trade organizations masquerading as "free trade."

Not from the state governments, to whom he would try to give nearly unlimited power to invade our privacy and infringe upon our civil liberties. In fact, he's made it quite clear that he'd like to see his own racist, homophobic, and misogynistic views placed into state law and sometimes, despite his rhetoric to the contrary, in federal law as well.

Prove it.

No, he's against managed trade organizations masquerading as "free trade."

So he's not against NAFTA et al per se (holy Latin batman!), but rather against how they're implemented. That's much more informative. Nuance kids, it helps get the point across!

So he's not against NAFTA et al per se (holy Latin batman!), but rather against how they're implemented. That's much more informative. Nuance kids, it helps get the point across!

Yes, he is against NAFTA. NAFTA has nothing to do with free trade, but everything to do with managed trade.

Prove it.

Look up the "We the People Act" where he tries to ensure that state governments can infringe upon your right to privacy, right to freedom of religion, and right to equal treatment under the law at will.

Also see his own vote aimed at blocking homosexual couples from adopting in DC and his support of discriminatory marriage recognition, his own personal statements that black youth should be treated differently under the law than white youth, and his constant attempts to make abortion illegal.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ron+paul+on+the+issues&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/g/ftp.py?people/g/gannon.dan/1992/gannon.0793

There's also a nice video where he flat-out lies about Roe v. Wade, claiming that it has made 8th month elective abortions legal. You can find it on Youtube.

Now, are you done asking me to do your own research into a candidate for you or shall I go on?

Christmas in Secular America (http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2003/tst122903.htm). Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

Oh yeah, he's a vigorous defender of the constitution.

Oh yeah, he's a vigorous defender of the constitution.

Of course he is! That's why he'll flat-out state that a bill he is voting for is "constitutionally flawed" and warrants unjustified federal intervention!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/83/the-partial-birth-abortion-ban/

Ron Paul opposes net neutrality..
go digg your buzz word obit. He's for not taxing and regulation the internet.



Not from the state governments, to whom he would try to give nearly unlimited power to invade our privacy and infringe upon our civil liberties. In fact, he's made it quite clear that he'd like to see his own racist, homophobic, and misogynistic views placed into state law and sometimes, despite his rhetoric to the contrary, in federal law as well

By having more power at the state level I as state resident will have more say in what goes on by having a closer representation than being a smaller part of the representation in Washington. It is not the job of Washington D.C. to interfer in the lives of the states. But rather to protect the states from outside forces and manage trade with folks who wish to do business outside the United States.


What third party? He's a Republican.
He is a GOP outsider and still gaining support.


I've never understood the obsession with the gold standard. Gold has no more inherent value than anything else. It has the value we give it.

Gold has always been valuable. It is hard to destroy and is hard to manipulate and also is shiney <-- people like shiney , your paper can disappear in a fire but my gold will survive.

He is a GOP outsider and still gaining support.Outsider? He's firmly right, just like everyone else in the election. He's been in Congress how long now? Outsider, that's cute.



Gold has always been valuable. It is hard to destroy and is hard to manipulate and also is shiney <-- people like shiney , your paper can disappear in a fire but my gold will survive.

Err, that's not true. Gold hasn't always been valued, some cultures don't value it at all. It's also very easy to manipulate, gold is incredibly soft as a metal. Probably why some cultures don't value it, it's too soft, rare, and heavy to be useful for tools or weapons. The only thing you can say for it is that it doesn't corrode and it's very shiny.

Whose turn is it to link to the bill proposed by Paul that would have bankrupted every single person in this entire country?

go digg your buzz word obit. He's for not taxing and regulation the internet.

And, instead, letting corporations do it for him. The internet is public domain. It shouldn't be controlled by a select few with a great deal of money.

By having more power at the state level I as state resident will have more say in what goes on by having a closer representation than being a smaller part of the representation in Washington.

This is a misrepresentation. We aren't talking about state power vs. federal power. We are talking about state power vs. individual power. Ron Paul would take power away from the individual and give it to the state instead.

If I am oppressed by my government, do you really think it matters which level of government is doing it? If government is infringing on my individual rights, does it really matter what label the government holds?

It is not the job of Washington D.C. to interfer in the lives of the states. But rather to protect the states from outside forces and manage trade with folks who wish to do business outside the United States.

And enforce the US Constitution.

He is a GOP outsider and still gaining support.

He's GOP nonetheless. And he's hardly an outsider, if we realize that he's just 100 years or so after his time.

Gold has always been valuable. It is hard to destroy and is hard to manipulate and also is shiney <-- people like shiney , your paper can disappear in a fire but my gold will survive.

Hard to manipulate? Are you kidding? Gold is one of the softest metals known to man.

And "ooh! shiny!" is hardly a measure of objective value. Once again, we're back to, "It has the value we choose to give it."

Err, that's not true. Gold hasn't always been valued, some cultures don't value it at all. It's also very easy to manipulate, gold is incredibly soft as a metal. Probably why some cultures don't value it, it's too soft, rare, and heavy to be useful for tools or weapons. The only thing you can say for it is that it doesn't corrode and it's very shiny.

It's good for electronics, too, though, isn't it? But, I gotta agree, a gold standard is kind of stupid. If you don't understand why paper money actually does have value, at least to the same degree gold does, then your grasp on basic economic principles is....poor.

Hard to manipulate? Are you kidding? Gold is one of the softest metals known to man.

And "ooh! shiny!" is hardly a measure of objective value. Once again, we're back to, "It has the value we choose to give it."

Gold does have "useful" applications; it is commonly used as a conductor in electrical wires and the like, along with copper. However, its perceived value is largely because of its rarity; if Styrofoam were rare, we'd use it as a standard too.