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EU leaders sign Lisbon Treaty

Ariddia
14-12-2007, 00:55
I don't think anyone's posted this yet...


Leaders of the 27 member states of the European Union have signed a landmark treaty to streamline decision-making in the expanded bloc, following the rejection of the EU constitution by French and Dutch voters in 2005.

Leaders of the 27-nation European Union on Thursday signed a landmark treaty to revitalise decision-making after years of wrangling on how much power they are willing to hand over.

"History will remember this day as a day in which new paths of hope were opened toward the European deal," Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates told the ceremony.

[...] Like the rejected constitution, it proposes a European foreign policy supremo and a permanent president to replace the cumbersome six-month rotating presidency system.

It cuts the size of the European Parliament and the number of EU decisions which require unanimous support, hence reducing national vetoes.

However it drops all references to an EU flag or anthem, to assuage eurosceptic fears of another step towards a federal Europe.

It also includes a European charter of fundamental human and legal rights, which Britain and Poland have refused to make binding.

"With the Treaty of Lisbon, Europe finally overcomes the political and institutional impasse that limited its capacity to act during the last few years," Socrates said.

"The European project does not eliminate nor minimise national identities," he insisted.

EU Commission Chief Jose Manuel Barroso said "the enlarged European Union gives us a new economic, political and strategic dimension."

[...] Member states now have one year to ratify the text, if it is to come into force as planned in January 2009.

Many governments, including France and the Netherlands, have said they will not hold national referendums this time.

However opponents who want a national vote have seized on the words of Valery Giscard d'Estaing, France's former president and architecht of the abandoned European constitution.

He has said that legal experts had "taken the original draft constitution, blown it apart into separate elements, and have then attached them, one by one, to existing treaties."

Only Ireland is constitutionally bound to put the issue to a vote, which is expected in May or June. Polls suggest many Irish voters are undecided.

In order to avoid a referendum, the British government was granted key opt-outs on foreign policy, labour rights, the common law and tax and social security systems.


(link (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/world/20071213-EU-lisbon-treaty-signed-european-constitution.html))

According to the French language version of the article (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/fr/nouvelles/monde/20071213-union-europeenne-traite-simplifie-signe-constitution-lisbonne.html), the Treaty re-asserts

*the right to life (opposing the death penalty)
*a ban on reproductive cloning, torture and forced labour
*the right to freedom of thought, freedom of religion and freedom of speech
*the right to free and compulsory education
*respect for private property, and the right to undetake economic ventures (liberté
d'entreprendre)
*no discrimination on the basis of gender, ethnicity, social background, language, religion, belief or political opinion
*the right to go on strike
*the right to social security and "access to housing", within the limits of national legislation (which seems to mean... precisely nothing).


All 27 EU countries will be expected to ratify the Treaty in 2008 with a view to it coming into force in 2009.

How similar will the new treaty be to the draft constitution?

It contains many of the changes the constitution attempted to introduce, for example:

A politician chosen to be president of the European Council for two-and-a-half years, replacing the current system where countries take turns at being president for six months

A new post combining the jobs of the existing foreign affairs supremo, Javier Solana, and the external affairs commissioner, Benita Ferrero-Waldner, to give the EU more clout on the world stage

A smaller European Commission, with fewer commissioners than there are member states, from 2014

A redistribution of voting weights between the member states, phased in between 2014 and 2017

New powers for the European Commission, European Parliament and European Court of Justice, for example in the field of justice and home affairs

Removal of national vetoes in a number of areas

Most European leaders acknowledge that the main substance of the constitution will be preserved.

[...] The UK has secured a written guarantee that the charter cannot be used by the European Court to alter British labour law, or other laws that deal with social rights.

[...] Ireland and the UK currently have an opt-out from European policies concerning asylum, visas and immigration. Under the new treaty they will have the right to opt in or out of any policies in the entire field of justice and home affairs.


(link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6901353.stm))

The actual text of the treaty can be found here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/11_12_07treatya.pdf) (PDF).
Newer Burmecia
14-12-2007, 01:16
And even Brown couldn't do it properly.
New Genoa
14-12-2007, 01:22
Is it me or does the right to compulsory education sound a bit weird?

Also, what's up with banning reproductive cloning?
Fleckenstein
14-12-2007, 01:22
Is it me or does the right to compulsory education sound a bit weird?

Odd wording, or translation?
New Genoa
14-12-2007, 01:38
Odd wording, or translation?

"Compulsory" and "right" do not fit well together.
The blessed Chris
14-12-2007, 01:51
Oh goody. Not only are we promised a referendum on the EU constitution in disguise, but our esteemed, Scottish prime minister refuses us one and spinelessly hurries to Lisbon to sign the treaty and supplicate Europe. Not in public of course, he'd much rather our humiliation not be photographed for the nasty old media to then criticise him with.
Call to power
14-12-2007, 02:01
I watched it live few a minuets today and it scared the hell out of me

not the actually giant book or anything (scary as that is) but rather the music and setting, made me think that as soon as it was signed medieval guards would burst in and kill everyone now that they had all they wanted...
Sirmomo1
14-12-2007, 02:04
A small step in the right direction
SeathorniaII
14-12-2007, 02:14
While I generally support the EU, I hope the irish vote no, for one simple reason: This treaty deserves to be ratified by the people it will affect and not by politicians interested in accomplishments or power.

I would vote yes if there were a referendum, I vote no if there isn't.
Call to power
14-12-2007, 02:23
While I generally support the EU, I hope the Irish vote no

good thing I watched the Irish sign today, otherwise I wouldn't of gotten a giggle

though why Ireland?
SeathorniaII
14-12-2007, 02:32
good thing I watched the Irish sign today, otherwise I wouldn't of gotten a giggle

though why Ireland?

Ireland gets to vote regardless (it's in the article) :D So I hope that they vote no when they get that choice.

For the rest of us that didn't get to vote, that is.

If they pass it without Ireland, one more reason to go to Ireland ;)
Ariddia
15-12-2007, 12:25
I watched it live few a minuets today and it scared the hell out of me

not the actually giant book or anything (scary as that is) but rather the music and setting, made me think that as soon as it was signed medieval guards would burst in and kill everyone now that they had all they wanted...

That's a... rather odd reaction.
Newer Burmecia
15-12-2007, 12:33
Oh goody. Not only are we promised a referendum on the EU constitution in disguise, but our esteemed, Scottish prime minister refuses us one and spinelessly hurries to Lisbon to sign the treaty and supplicate Europe. Not in public of course, he'd much rather our humiliation not be photographed for the nasty old media to then criticise him with.
You say it as if it were an insult.
Logopolon
15-12-2007, 12:53
Brown should be hanged for treason.

Publicly.
Longhaul
15-12-2007, 14:39
Oh goody. Not only are we promised a referendum on the EU constitution in disguise, but our esteemed, Scottish prime minister refuses us one and spinelessly hurries to Lisbon to sign the treaty and supplicate Europe. Not in public of course, he'd much rather our humiliation not be photographed for the nasty old media to then criticise him with.You say it as if it were an insult.
In TbC's narrow little world it's probably meant as one... I find it endlessly amusing, on some not-quite-definable level.

The hell of it is that I share his annoyance at the Government's backtracking on the referendum issue...
Brown should be hanged for treason.

Publicly.
...but I wouldn't go that far.
Newer Burmecia
15-12-2007, 14:47
In TbC's narrow little world it's probably meant as one... I find it endlessly amusing, on some not-quite-definable level.
It is a little. I've had the piss taken (usually over football or what the Daily Mail accuses us of) long enough to find it funny in an ironic little way.

The hell of it is that I share his annoyance at the Government's backtracking on the referendum issue...

...but I wouldn't go that far.
I can't even get worked up about it becauseit isn't even about a referendum. Between the media and politicians, the referendum camp wants the treaty rejected and the parliamentary ratification camp want it ratified. If Brown were against the treaty from the outset, I doubt UKIP, the Tories and the Sun would be on a crusade for 'democracy', regardless of what the government promised.

Or perhaps I'm getting too cynical in my old age.
Johnny B Goode
15-12-2007, 14:48
You say it as if it were an insult.

He probably thinks all Scottish people are cheap, Scots-growling, bagpipers.
Newer Burmecia
15-12-2007, 14:51
He probably thinks all Scottish people are cheap, Scots-growling, bagpipers.
Well, at least I'm cheap.:p
Longhaul
15-12-2007, 14:55
I can't even get worked up about it becauseit isn't even about a referendum. Between the media and politicians, the referendum camp wants the treaty rejected and the parliamentary ratification camp want it ratified. If Brown were against the treaty from the outset, I doubt UKIP, the Tories and the Sun would be on a crusade for 'democracy', regardless of what the government promised.

Or perhaps I'm getting too cynical in my old age.
You can never be too cynical about our Government. Cynicism and scepticism are two key personal attributes to keep hold of if you want to stay sane in the UK these days :p
[NS]I BEFRIEND CHESTNUTS
15-12-2007, 15:01
Me don't like this one bit. I doubt that anybody actually believes Brown's crap about it being just a treaty, it's obviously the old European Constitution in disguise with a few cosmetic changes. Then the slime in government try to use that to justify breakng their promise of a referendum. I'm against anything that gives away further powers to the EU. It's useful for trading, but losing any powers on home affairs is unnecessary and shouldn't be accepted.
Logopolon
15-12-2007, 16:49
...but I wouldn't go that far.

Why not? Brown has effectively given our nation's sovereignty away, without asking us and full knowing what our answer would have been if he had. He is, therefore, a traitor and should be dealt with in the time honoured way.

Hanged, with the rest of his internationalist "socialist" buddies.

And before you ask, I am a card carrying UKIP member.