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NEW YORK (CNN) -- A Muslim man jumped to the aid of three Jewish subway riders after they were attacked by a group of young people who objected to one of the Jews saying "Happy Hanukkah," a spokeswoman for the three said Wednesday.

Friday's altercation on the Q train began when somebody yelled out "Merry Christmas," to which rider Walter Adler responded, "Happy Hanukkah," said Toba Hellerstein.

"Almost immediately, you see the look in this guy's face like I've called his mother something," Adler told CNN affiliate WABC.

Two women who were with a group of 10 rowdy people then began to verbally assault Adler's companions with anti-Semitic language, Hellerstein said.

One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.

When Adler tried to intercede, a male member of the group punched him, she said.

Another passenger, Hassan Askari -- a Muslim student from Bangladesh -- came to Adler's aid, and the group began physically and verbally assaulting him, Hellerstein said.

"A Muslim-American saved us when our own people were on the train and didn't do anything," Adler said.

Adler pulled the emergency brake and the train stopped at DeKalb Avenue station, where police came on board.

The 10 suspects, ages 19 to 20, were taken into custody, said Brooklyn district attorney spokesman Sandy Silverstein.

Askari was first handcuffed alongside them, but he was released when Adler told police he was not an attacker, Hellerstein said.

Alder was treated at Long Island College Hospital for injuries that included a fractured nose and a cut lip that required several stitches, while Askari suffered a black eye, Hellerstein said.

The suspects are to appear in Brooklyn District Court on February 7 on charges that include assault, attempted assault, menacing, harassment, unlawful assembly, riot and disorderly conduct, Silverstein said.

The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident, and will determine whether the suspects will be charged with hate crimes, Officer Philip Hauser told


THIS is the kind of muslim that should be running mideast countries.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/index.html)

That's awesome.

One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said.

And they say that Christians aren't smart.

Anyway, I seem to recall Muhammad saying that 'the End Times will not come until the Muslim sees the Jew behind the rock and the rock will say "O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me. Kill him"'.

I guess we still have some time left.

Unfortunately Western media is still in love with the image of Muslims as a hivemind of J00-h8ing Al Qaeda Operatives.

good for him

G-d bless this man.

Fucking crackpot Christians. I bet they go home and listen to O'Reilly bitch about a war on Christmas.

Unfortunately Western media is still in love with the image of Muslims as a hivemind of J00-h8ing Al Qaeda Operatives.

Western media doesn't control the minds of all, you know. 90% of the blame goes on the people. Western media presents 9/11 as a terrorist attack yet more and more Westerners are seeing 9/11 as a conspiracy, for example.

But then again, we live in a region of the world (us Westerners) where nothing but Christianity and Capitalism is given a half-assed explanation and/or study.

Dude just scored some points for Muslim Americans.

That's the kind of guy I'd like to have as a friend.

Dude just scored some points for Muslim Americans.

That's the kind of guy I'd like to have as a friend.

And people will forget this guy ever existed the second some culturally backward zealot pulls some shit that people can easily attribute to Islam as a whole which makes the news.

Those Christians.. lol.. the day they killed Jesus.. ahh.. idiots. I mean, honestly, the Christians celebrate a day in remembrance/honour/whatever of Jesus' crucifixion. Good Friday. Which falls nowhere near Hannukah.

Fucking crackpot Christians. I bet they go home and listen to O'Reilly bitch about a war on Christmas.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.

Yes because every Hindu, Atheist, Jew (lolwut), Muslim, Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, Wiccan, and Satanist would hate the Jews because they somehow killed Jesus.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article.

Good point, I just assumed they were since they brought up Jesus and Merry Christmas.

Good point, I just assumed they were since they brought up Jesus and Merry Christmas.

I just talked to a guy when I was swimming today and he was an anti-semite and he said MERRY christmas but he was not a Christian.

I just talked to a guy when I was swimming today and he was an anti-semite and he said marry christmas but he was not a Christian.

I wouldn't go that far.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.

Yeah, they were probably Taoists or something. There's so many religions out there that worship Jesus Christ it's hard to differentiate them all.

Yes because every Hindu, Atheist, Jew (lolwut), Muslim, Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, Wiccan, and Satanist would hate the Jews because they somehow killed Jesus.

If you go "ahhh! Deh Ebilz Chr1st13nz!!11!!" every time some punks go looking for a fight you have a rather strange obession.

Edit: In fact I have noticed every other thread on here is Anti-Christian, you people sure have a weird fetish.

You don't see how them saying that Hanukkah is the day Jews killed Jesus and then attacking them because of it as a strong indication that they're probably Christian? o.O

You don't see how them saying that Hanukkah is the day Jews killed Jesus and then attacking them because of it as a strong indication that they're probably Christian? o.O

Hitler used Christianity to help in get into power, but he was not a Christian. I admit they may be some cult type but not anything main-stream.

If you go "ahhh! Deh Ebilz Chr1st13nz!!11!!" every time some punks go looking for a fight you have a rather strange obession.

Edit: In fact I have noticed every other thread on here is Anti-Christian, you people sure have a weird fetish.

I believe pantless meant "those crackpot christians" in the sense of "those christians who are also crackpots" not "every christian who is a crackpot because they are christian". I can't speak for him, but that was the impression I got.

Hitler used Christianity to help in get into power, but he was not a Christian. I admit they may be some cult type but not anything main-stream.

Or rather they are not born agains, maybe they were Catholic, I dunno. To the Muslim I say "keep it Groovy homey".:)

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.

1) No one is going to get pissed off about saying "Happy Chanukah" but the people hopped up on the war-on-christmas drug.
2) Because they said "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," Even if they were just plain anti-semite, they arn't going to pull that shit out of their ass. They would start going on about some Jewish conspiracy to take over the world through rule of the economy. Bringing up "Jews killed Jesus" gives a 99.9% probability they are Christian.

I would say the most inept person on the planet could see that they were crackpot Christians, but then there is your post.

You know... what's awesome about this is that the muslim involved broke a poor religious stereotype by acting nobly in the face of a group of tormenters.
Interesting, that the primary response is to reinforce another poor religious stereotype.
Chances are the idiots on the train were Christian, but there are as many stupid Christians out there as there are stupid anything else, and the same ratio of smart people as well, I'm sure.

I wish people wouldn't cause such hostilities over Religion.

I mean, the basic ideal is to love one another, and be peaceful(I think, for most at least). If you're really that devout in your belief, couldn't you just stay calm knowing they'll go to wherever non-believers go?

I'm sorry, I don't want to sound anti-religious, it's just I've seen a lot of things happen due to different beliefs. I wish people would but those aside and just do whats best for everyone, but thats a bit of wishful thinking, huh?

Sorry if my sentences are a bit odd, bit tired.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.

"One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said."

What are the odds of them being, say, Wiccans or Zoroastrians?

*Cue music!*

Buddhists, maybe?
Chaotes, hindus,
Astaru, Baby?

For the name Jesus was uttered
by those bigoted nuts
who were beating the bejeezus
out of this guy's guts!

But please don't let that sway you
All in all and then again
For I'm here to play with you
Brutus was a honest man!

Please don't mention the huge
Christian majority in America
For as we know it's oppressed
For Atheists would sure say Jesus
Just to put this all to rest!

And done.

(Bearing in mind though that these morons claim to be Christians the same way Bin Laden claims to be a Muslim - AKA they are NOT)

1) No one is going to get pissed off about saying "Happy Chanukah" but the people hopped up on the war-on-christmas drug.
2) Because they said "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus,"

I would say the most inept person on the planet could see that they were crackpot Christians, but then there is your post.

Again with the typing before thinking! Are you hopeless? Read my previous posts explaining my comment before you loosen your tongue so.

Again with the typing before thinking! Are you hopeless? Read my previous posts explaining my comment before you loosen your tongue so.
I've read your posts, try reading mine. Not one part of my argument had anything to do with them saying "Merry Christmas."

If you go "ahhh! Deh Ebilz Chr1st13nz!!11!!" every time some punks go looking for a fight you have a rather strange obession.

Someone who obviously worships Jesus is a Christian. If that person decided to pick a fight because someone disagreed with them, then I can safely say "idiot Christians".

You think I'm harsh against Christians? You should see me against those who follow the same religion I follow. Whoo.

"One member of the group allegedly yelled, "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," she said."

What are the odds of them being, say, Wiccans or Zoroastrians?

*Cue music!*

Buddhists, maybe?
Chaotes, hindus,
Astaru, Baby?

For the name Jesus was uttered
by those bigoted nuts
who were beating the bejeezus
out of this guy's guts!

But please don't let that sway you
All in all and then again
For I'm here to play with you
Brutus was a honest man!

Please don't mention the huge
Christian majority in America
For as we know it's oppressed
For Atheists would sure say Jesus
Just to put this all to rest!

And done.

Not bad ryming, but again, you don't have to be christian to be an anti-semite. These were punks just looking for an excuse to cause a ruckus.

Someone who obviously worships Jesus is a Christian. If that person decided to pick a fight because someone disagreed with them, then I can safely say "idiot Christians".

You think I'm harsh against Christians? You should see me against those who follow the same religion I follow. Whoo.

Naa, I don't have any problem's with you, it's just the anti-Christian bigot I don't like.

Naa, I don't have any problem's with you, it's just the anti-Christian bigot I don't like.

Bigots do suck. I must admit that I was (and still am, though to a much less degree) pretty hypocritical when it comes to religious bigotry. We all have our faults.

Not bad ryming, but again, you don't have to be christian to be an anti-semite. These were punks just looking for an excuse to cause a ruckus.

There has been a rather important edit to Heikoku's original post, I think it will help you understand the intent.

Bigots do suck. I must admit that I was (and still am, though to a much less degree) pretty hypocritical when it comes to religious bigotry. We all have our faults.

If I may ask, what religion do you follow? And what is this hypocrisy if you wouldn't mind explaining?

;)

If I may ask, what religion do you follow?

Vaishnava Hinduism

And what is this hypocrisy if you wouldn't mind explaining?
;)

I am anti-Christian in many places that aren't core-based (I.E. I like Jesus' teachings) but are more history based. I criticize Christianity because of what some moronic followers do, but I hate it when people criticize Hinduism for what some moronic followers do.

There has been a rather important edit to Heikoku's original post, I think it will help you understand the intent.

So I see.

Not bad ryming, but again, you don't have to be christian to be an anti-semite. These were punks just looking for an excuse to cause a ruckus.

Certainly, you don't have to be an Christian to be an anti-semite, but these people are Christians who happen to be anti-semites because they're mad about the whole "killing Jesus" thing. Which I don't understand, wasn't that (supposedly) the whole point?! :confused:

(I must disagree with Heikoku's edit. If somebody worships Jesus, then they are a Christian, even if they are an asshole.)

Certainly, you don't have to be an Christian to be an anti-semite, but these people are Christians who happen to be anti-semites because they're mad about the whole "killing Jesus" thing. Which I don't understand, wasn't that (supposedly) the whole point?! :confused:

(I must disagree with Heikoku's edit. If somebody worships Jesus, then they are a Christian, even if they are an asshole.)

I have to say I don't understand it either. The Jews afterall, are God's chosen people, how could a real Christian hate them?

Naa, I don't have any problem's with you, it's just the anti-Christian bigot I don't like.
I call a bunch of crackpot Christians who attack a Jew for saying Happy Chanukah, while accusing Jews of killing Jesus, a bunch of crackpot Christians and I'm a bigot. As opposed to some one who isn't a blind idiot. I can assure you that all the crackpot anti-semites couldn't give a shit less that the Jews killed Jesus.

I have to say I don't understand it either. the Jews afterall, are God's chosen people, how could a real Christian hate them?

Christians: THE JEWZ KILLED JESUS!!!!! :mad:

Jesus: Uh, hey guys? Chill. I mean, I appreciate the concern, but that was the entire point, remember? Shouldn't you be thanking them for that?
Also, I don't like all those crosses you wave around in my face. Those things really fucking hurt, and I don't want to be reminded of that time. Could you please choose a less offensive Holy Symbol?

Christians: ...

:D

Christians: THE JEWZ KILLED JESUS!!!!! :mad:

Jesus: Uh, hey guys? Chill. I mean, I appreciate the concern, but that was the entire point, remember? Shouldn't you be thanking them for that?
Also, I don't like all those crosses you wave around in my face. Those things really fucking hurt, and I don't want to be reminded of that time. Could you please choose a less offensive Holy Symbol?

Christians: ...

:D

Jesus Christ that's amazingly epic.

I call a bunch of crackpot Christians who attack a Jew for saying Happy Chanukah, while accusing Jews of killing Jesus, a bunch of crackpot Christians and I'm a bigot. As opposed to some one who isn't a blind idiot.

Yeah, if you criticize people who happen to be Christian, you're a bigot! Duh!

Christians: THE JEWZ KILLED JESUS!!!!! :mad:

Jesus: Uh, hey guys? Chill. I mean, I appreciate the concern, but that was the entire point, remember? Shouldn't you be thanking them for that?
Also, I don't like all those crosses you wave around in my face. Those things really fucking hurt, and I don't want to be reminded of that time. Could you please choose a less offensive Holy Symbol?

Christians: ...

:D

Holy symbol for the Catholics maybe, but I don't condone Idols.

Yeah, if you criticize people who happen to be Christian, you're a bigot! Duh!
Damn me, for being bigoted against religious bigots!

Jesus Christ that's amazingly epic.

Is your imagination that small?

Damn me, for being bigoted against religious bigots!

No, I won't damn you.

Holy symbol for the Catholics maybe, but I don't condone Idols.

Me neither. I never voted once on American Idol.

Vaishnava Hinduism



I am anti-Christian in many places that aren't core-based (I.E. I like Jesus' teachings) but are more history based. I criticize Christianity because of what some moronic followers do, but I hate it when people criticize Hinduism for what some moronic followers do.

Cool, though to be honest I don't know too much about the specific branches of Hinduism. We should have a thread on it sometime.

I know what you mean, but I think of things a bit differently. When I hear of someone doing something (I consider) wrong, I attribute it to the person, not the group/religion. But I don't really like hearing people criticize Islam, so I know what you mean.

Cool, though to be honest I don't know too much about the specific branches of Hinduism. We should have a thread on it sometime.

I know what you mean, but I think of things a bit differently. When I hear of someone doing something (I consider) wrong, I attribute it to the person, not the group/religion. But I don't really like hearing people criticize Islam, so I know what you mean.

So you admit to hypocrisy? I really can't say i'm surprised, but I hold no ill will toward you for it.

So you admit to hypocrisy? I really can't say i'm surprised, but I hold no ill will toward you for it.

It's not really hypocritical, I was saying that I understood how he felt. I don't criticize other people's religions, so I don't see any hypocrisy.

But hey! What's up with the "I'm not surprised"?

Cool, though to be honest I don't know too much about the specific branches of Hinduism. We should have a thread on it sometime.

To put it simply:
Vaishnavism worships Vishnu (Divine Father) and Lakshmi (Divine Mother) as the Supreme.

Shaivism worships Shiva (Divine Father) and Parvati (Divine Mother) as Supreme.

Shaktism worship the Divine Mother as Supreme.

Smartism worship 4 forms of the Divine Father and the Divine Mother as Supreme.

It's not really hypocritical, I was saying that I understood how he felt. I don't criticize other people's religions, so I don't see any hypocrisy.

But hey! What's up with the "I'm not surprised"?

Well I have only seen you target the christian "religion" so far in your post's. Might I have missed some (post's)?

Well I have only seen you target the christian "religion" so far in your post's. Might I have missed some (post's)?

Like what, could you at least paraphrase what you're referring to?

Like what, could you at least paraphrase what you're referring to?

Basically Christians held back all progress, sorry I may have mistook some of the others more nasty posts for yours.:(

Basically Christians held back all progress, sorry I may have mistook some of the others more nasty posts for yours.:(

Hardly, I was arguing that fundamentalist Christians were not the creators of a liberal democracy. First of all, "fundamentalist Christians" were not around back then. The RCC kept down sciences for quite some time as well, although it did support some (if they helped the RCC, but I don't blame them for this much). But in general, the Christians years, were dominated by the old RCC, and there wasn't too much science going on in Western Europe during those years. But I've never blamed that on Christianity, just the conditions and people of the time.

But that's for a different thread, if you want to bring that up, you're going to have to revive the beast!

Hardly, I was arguing that fundamentalist Christians were not the creators of a liberal democracy. First of all, "fundamentalist Christians" were not around back then. The RCC kept down sciences for quite some time as well, although it did support some (if they helped the RCC, but I don't blame them for this much). But in general, the Christians years, were dominated by the old RCC, and there wasn't too much science going on in Western Europe during those years. But I've never blamed that on Christianity, just the conditions and people of the time.

don't you know that if you criticize any institution of christianity for anything they have done, ever, you are demonstrating a pure anti-christian bias?

Basically Christians held back all progress, sorry I may have mistook some of the others more nasty posts for yours.:(
The Middle Ages were probably the greatest the human social stagnation and indeed regression in our history, I probably can't imagine how great and scientifically enlightened our civilization would be if the ancient Greek society became the mainstay.

Hardly, I was arguing that fundamentalist Christians were not the creators of a liberal democracy. First of all, "fundamentalist Christians" were not around back then. The RCC kept down sciences for quite some time as well, although it did support some (if they helped the RCC, but I don't blame them for this much). But in general, the Christians years, were dominated by the old RCC, and there wasn't too much science going on in Western Europe during those years. But I've never blamed that on Christianity, just the conditions and people of the time.

But that's for a different thread, if you want to bring that up, you're going to have to revive the beast!

I really don't think if it matters or not whether we founded it for not, but a lot a similarities are there.

The Middle Ages were probably the greatest the human social stagnation and indeed regression in our history, I probably can't imagine how great and scientifically enlightened our civilization would be if the ancient Greek society became the mainstay.


Wide spread slavery and oppression as well as no political or civil rights except for the rich and powerfull. Sure we would have advanced some, but it wouldnt have been the paradise you make it out to be.

Wide spread slavery and oppression as well as no political or civil rights except for the rich and powerfull. Sure we would have advanced some, but it wouldnt have been the paradice you make it out to be.

we had that less than two hundred years ago in our oh so very christian united states. What makes you think that rome would involve less in two thousand years?

Wide spread slavery and oppression as well as no political or civil rights except for the rich and powerfull. Sure we would have advanced some, but it wouldnt have been the paradise you make it out to be.
Yeah there was no oppression and slavery under Church rule :rolleyes: Let's not forget the non-existence of corruption.

we had that less than two hundred years ago in our oh so very christian united states. What makes you think that rome would involve less in two thousand years?


Rome would have collapesed eventually all Empires do.

Yeah there was no oppression and slavery under Church rule :rolleyes: Let's not forget the non-existence of corruption.

Oh! Hey Bigot, well anyway to answer your question, yes there was corruption and slavery during that period but so has there been in almost every age, slaves exist even today.

I really don't think if it matters or not whether we founded it for not, but a lot a similarities are there.

Such as?

Yeah there was no oppression and slavery under Church rule :rolleyes: Let's not forget the non-existence of corruption.

Definitely true, but when has there been a pure society/governing structure?

Rome would have collapesed eventually all Empires do.

which is entirely irrelevant to the question of what if it hadn't?

you're not very good at this, are you?

Wide spread slavery and oppression as well as no political or civil rights except for the rich and powerfull. Sure we would have advanced some, but it wouldnt have been the paradice you make it out to be.
You do realize that the launching pad for all scientific truth came from the Greeks right? All the Middle Ages produced were thousands of different treatises of what classifies a proper Christian etc. Once you have one rigid 'truth' as the center of society everything stagnates because you can't build upon it, you're society can't progress. The cornerstone of truth is the ability to question everything, to formulate knowledge based on rational discourse.

You're criticism of Ancient Greece however is confusing, considering for example when say the USA gave women political power, and when it gave blacks proper civil rights.

You want the justification for slavery, for the sexual repression of females, genocide, look no further than the most blood-soaked book in history, the book of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

Such as?

Freedom, and responsibility.

which is entirely irrelevant to the question of what if it hadn't?

you're not very good at this, are you?

It would have, so im not going to answer an impossibility.

You do realize that the launching pad for all scientific truth came from the Greeks right? All the Middle Ages produced were thousands of different treatises of what classifies a proper Christian etc. Once you have one rigid 'truth' as the center of society everything stagnates because you can't build upon it, you're society can't progress. The cornerstone of truth is the ability to question everything, to formulate knowledge based on rational discourse.

You're criticism of Ancient Greece however is confusing, considering for example when say the USA gave women political power, and when it gave blacks proper civil rights.

You want the justification for slavery, for the sexual repression of females, genocide, look no further than the most blood-soaked book in history, the book of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

There were some good things about the Middle Ages. Just not too much progress.

There are certainly things to criticize about Greece, it wasn't a paradise. In fact, if you want to look at female sexual repression, there's plenty there. The search for all things beautiful, humanism based on Antiquity, is one thing which contributed to this.

It's the followers, not the religion.

which is entirely irrelevant to the question of what if it hadn't?

you're not very good at this, are you?

It's not wise to deal in ifs. They tend to delude people with the disease of possibility.

You do realize that the launching pad for all scientific truth came from the Greeks right? All the Middle Ages produced were thousands of different treatises of what classifies a proper Christian etc. Once you have one rigid 'truth' as the center of society everything stagnates because you can't build upon it, you're society can't progress. The cornerstone of truth is the ability to question everything, to formulate knowledge based on rational discourse.

You're criticism of Ancient Greece however is confusing, considering for example when say the USA gave women political power, and when it gave blacks proper civil rights.

You want the justification for slavery, for the sexual repression of females, genocide, look no further than the most blood-soaked book in history, the book of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

I can't speak for Judaism and Islam because I have not read their holy books. However in regard to Christianity your wrong and here is why. A lot of the OT was given by God to show that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get to heaven by good works. The Jews did not seem to grasp this and tried to obey it all, of course, they failed. Jesus came so that we did not have to be perfect, which is an Impossibility.

Jesus teached love and compassion and tolerance, so while I don't support Homosexuals, it is there God given right to Choose! So you see, Christianity, if anything, allows great creativity and discovery.

Freedom, and responsibility.

What society didn't believe in responsibility? The Greeks and the Romans also put plenty of value on freedom.

What society didn't believe in responsibility? The Greeks and the Romans also put plenty of value on freedom.

Greeks, I think not, Romans, for a few centuries.

Greeks, I think not, Romans, for a few centuries.

Could you explain what you mean by responsibility?

I can't speak for Judaism and Islam because I have not read their holy books. However in regard to Christianity your wrong and here is why. A lot of the OT was given by God to show that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get to heaven by good works. The Jews did not seem to grasp this and tried to obey it all, of course, they failed. Jesus came so that we did not have to be perfect, which is an Impossibility.

This doesn't make sense to me. The little Judaism does talk about the manner by which you get to the afterlife it ends up being similar to the Muslim tradition. After you die all your goods are weighed against your bads (or your mitzvot are pitted against your aveiras since some single bad things are worse than even many good things and such) and that determines whether you go directly to heaven or you gotta go through a bit of hell, with a 12 month limit. At least that's how it was explained to me when I was a wee little Jew studying the Jewish things we often study. But, anyway, my point is that it's implicit within that framework that no one is expected to be perfect so I'm not quite sure what you mean?

Oh...and the cool thing I remember is that each mitzvah is a soldier for one army and each aveira is a soldier for the other army and they actually duke it out. Granted, this varies depending on the denomination and even the Rabbi, but I always thought that was cool because I imagined it to be something akin to Battle Chess, the all time best chess game. ;)

I can't speak for Judaism and Islam because I have not read their holy books. However in regard to Christianity your wrong and here is why. A lot of the OT was given by God to show that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get to heaven by good works. The Jews did not seem to grasp this and tried to obey it all, of course, they failed. Jesus came so that we did not have to be perfect, which is an Impossibility.

Jesus teached love and compassion and tolerance, so while I don't support Homosexuals, it is there God given right to Choose! So you see, Christianity, if anything, allows great creativity and discovery.

Note that Christianity these days has absolutely nothing to do with the 'good works' social gospel of Christ? It's basically just OT Judaic/Islamic conservative bigotry in a different disguise.

Is it true that Jewish religious men start the day with a prayer starting with 'I thank God I am not a woman or a Gentile?'

Is it true that God told the Jews to reclaim their land and that anyone that got in the way was fair game for genocide?

Need I quote from the Koran?

Oh! Hey Bigot, well anyway to answer your question, yes there was corruption and slavery during that period but so has there been in almost every age, slaves exist even today.
Speaking of bigots. It's ok when it is under the indoctrination of the Church but bad when Greece did it? At least under Greece there were gains in philosophy, mathematics, and various sciences that were stifled, lost, and destroyed when the Church was in power. We were set back thousands of years.

Could you explain what you mean by responsibility?

People are held accountable for their actions.

Not to mention the countless books burnt by the Church, I really want to know what Kontor thinks 'was good about the Middle Ages'?

People are held accountable for their actions.

Civilization has been holding people accountable for their actions since its inception.

Speaking of bigots. It's ok when it is under the indoctrination of the Church but bad when Greece did it? At least under Greece there were gains in philosophy, mathematics, and various sciences that were stifled, lost, and destroyed when the Church was in power. We were set back thousands of years.

Nope, it was no more justified under the so called "church" than it was under the elitist greeks.

Nope, it was no more justified under the so called "church" than it was under the elitist greeks.

I fail to see how you're analysis is valid, yes Greece (Athens I assume is what we are talking about) had a hierarchical social structure, so what? The point I proposed is that in the Greek Golden Age (500 years I believe) more knowledge was acquired than at any other time until the Enlightenment. Kontor would you prefer a return to the ancien regime?

I fail to see how you're analysis is valid, yes Greece (Athens I assume is what we are talking about) had a hierarchical social structure, so what? The point I proposed is that in the Greek Golden Age (500 years I believe) more knowledge was acquired than at any other time until the Enlightenment. Kontor would you prefer a return to the ancien regime?

We're all way off topic at this point.

We're all way off topic at this point.
lol wut, I never even knew what this thread was to begin with:cool:

Not to mention the countless books burnt by the Church, I really want to know what Kontor thinks 'was good about the Middle Ages'?

Uhhh, I forgot what we were even arguing about, refresh me.

If I recall correctly..

Whether or not shouting "is that the day they killed Jesus?!" in a flash of anger shows that a person is or is not Christian (Though not necessarily a good one, mind you).

Ok, that got waaaay off topic, so im done, bye bye now.

THIS is the kind of muslim that should be running mideast countries.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/index.html)

I am both sad that this happened on a train I take frequently and happy to know there are people with decency left in the world.

That young man is, unfortunately, quite a rare thing -- a person who stands up for decency. Kudos to him.

Kudos to him.
Well said.

It’s a shame (to put it mildly) that the incident happened in the first place — blaming the Jews for Jesus’ death is soooooo 12th century — but at least it had an OK outcome.

I hope those violent and abusive commuters go on Santa’s Bad List.

Jews killed Jesus? I thought the Romans did that, and that Jesus was a Jew...

Jews killed Jesus? I thought the Romans did that, and that Jesus was a Jew...

I think, it's about how when the Pontius Pilate asks the mass wheter he should release Jesus or Barnabas, and the crowd totally sold him out.

They were like, totally, "oooh, we, like, want the killer free", and then, Pontius Pilate asks again, "like, totally? I'm not gonna, like, take the heat for this, dudes."

And the crowd roars again "yeah man, like crusi... cruc,... put im in on a cross or something." And thus the crowd had spoken.

Jews killed Jesus? I thought the Romans did that, and that Jesus was a Jew...

SHHHH! Don't confuse the issue by pointing out the content of the Bible! You might make the ignoramuses' heads explode.

(Would this be a good time to remind people of my faith, or do I risk crucifixion?)

I think, it's about how when the Pontiff asks the mass wheter he should release Jesus or Barnabas, and the crowd totally sold him out.

They were like, totally, "oooh, we, like, want the killer free", and then, the pontiff asks again, "like, totally? I'm not gonna, like, take the heat for this, dudes."

And the crowd roars again "yeah man, like crusi... cruc,... put im in on a cross or something." And thus the crowd had spoken.

Um, no, that was Pontius Pilate. Not the Pontiff, which title refers to the Eastern Orthodox or the Catholic Popes.

Um, no, that was Pontius Pilate. Not the Pontiff, which title refers to the Eastern Orthodox or the Catholic Popes.

I stand corrected, been years since I read the bible.

THIS is the kind of muslim that should be running mideast countries.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/index.html)

i wish to show respect to this brave man and follow his example

I stand corrected, been years since I read the bible.

'Twas an amusing paraphrasing of the event, if the terminology was a little off :)

OP: What a great man, more should follow his example.

Kontor: Just because the Bible states something does not mean it will be followed in that way, history has countless examples of Christians imposing restrictions on anything they felt was 'heretical'.

Mr. Askari deserves everyone's respect. And it's nice to see the media actually reporting on something like this.

Now let's try to avoid Christian-bashing, shall we? I think we can agree that the Christian morons who assaulted a Jew and a Muslim are not representative of your average Christian.

Mr. Askari deserves everyone's respect. And it's nice to see the media actually reporting on something like this.

Now let's try to avoid Christian-bashing, shall we? I think we can agree that the Christian morons who assaulted a Jew and a Muslim are not representative of your average Christian.True. Average Christians are too numb for that.

Things like this give me a big smile. :)

Nope, it was no more justified under the so called "church" than it was under the elitist greeks.
Yet you imply that it was ok because the Church did it by sitting there insulting the Greeks while waving away the fact the Church did the same shit and worse.

Way to save the day Muslim guy :)

THIS is the kind of muslim that should be running mideast countries.


QFT.

An example of honor and courage to all of us.

You do realize that the launching pad for all scientific truth came from the Greeks right? All the Middle Ages produced were thousands of different treatises of what classifies a proper Christian etc. Once you have one rigid 'truth' as the center of society everything stagnates because you can't build upon it, you're society can't progress. The cornerstone of truth is the ability to question everything, to formulate knowledge based on rational discourse.

Historical nitpick: the Greeks never attempted to verify their theories using experiment and observation. Thus they are not solely responsible for the scientific method. They can take credit for the theoretical part (i.e. observing nature and attempting to formualte a theory to explain the observed phenomena) but they never verified it with experimentation.

In fact, the scientific method, as we know it, grew out of the late middle ages with Francis Bacon and other notable Christian intellectuals. Many historians speculate as to why the scientific method arose there and then. I think some of the factors covered in Guns, Germs and Steel account for that, but I think there is also something about Christianity that also impelled the birth of the scientific method.
Ian Barbour, a theologian and physicist, theorises that it has to do with the fact that Christianity believed that the natural world was not sacred, like many of the polytheistic and pantheistic religious traditions. Such a paradigm would have provided the necessary detachment to create the idea that humans are objective observers of phenomena separate from that which is being observed. This is an implicit belief in science and Christianity, but not in many other religious traditions.

Anyways, as to the OP: the Muslim guy is awesome. Anyone who fights racism at the drop of a hat is welcome in my home.

Crimeny! One could almost believe that the muslim was an... an... ordinary human!

I think we can agree that the Christian morons who assaulted a Jew and a Muslim are not representative of your average Christian.

But... but...

According to many on NSG, every bad act someone does is representative for the others of his or her faith/nationality/colour/etc - are you saying they are wrong?? :eek:





Serious though: Well done random person, irregardless of everything else.

This is proof that every group of people has it's angels and devils.

Is it awesome that this has been published for those who thought otherwise? Or is it upsetting that there are people who need it?

This is proof that every group of people has it's angels and devils.

Is it awesome that this has been published for those who thought otherwise? Or is it upsetting that there are people who need it?

Some might think so,... it's easier to discriminate if everything is in black and white, right?

Note that Christianity these days has absolutely nothing to do with the 'good works' social gospel of Christ? It's basically just OT Judaic/Islamic conservative bigotry in a different disguise.

Is it true that Jewish religious men start the day with a prayer starting with 'I thank God I am not a woman or a Gentile?'

Is it true that God told the Jews to reclaim their land and that anyone that got in the way was fair game for genocide?

Need I quote from the Koran?

Both are true. The first one, the man is thanking G-d that he has been given more opportunities to do His will - specifically, that he has more laws to follow. Women have fewer laws to follow than men, and gentiles have only seven.

The second one, that specifically applied to the first Jewish conquest of Canaan under the direct military command of G-d Himself. Really, crediting Joshua with the conquest of Canaan is inaccurate. He was merely the battlefield commander. The actual grand plan was worked out by G-d. He was Eisenhower. Joshua was merely Patton.

The Jews do not have authorization to carry out genocide against the Arabs, who are after all our cousins.

This is proof that every group of people has it's angels and devils.

Is it awesome that this has been published for those who thought otherwise? Or is it upsetting that there are people who need it?

The latter :(

Yet you imply that it was ok because the Church did it by sitting there insulting the Greeks while waving away the fact the Church did the same shit and worse.

It was like 30 min between my posts I forgot what I was even arguing about, sooo what are you talking about?

Some might think so,... it's easier to discriminate if everything is in black and white, right?

Yes, when the Christians are all evil, stupid, mass-murding, diabolical, geniuses, and every one else is Perfect in every way shape and form. It does make it easier for you.

Christians: THE JEWZ KILLED JESUS!!!!! :mad:

Jesus: Uh, hey guys? Chill. I mean, I appreciate the concern, but that was the entire point, remember? Shouldn't you be thanking them for that?
Also, I don't like all those crosses you wave around in my face. Those things really fucking hurt, and I don't want to be reminded of that time. Could you please choose a less offensive Holy Symbol?

Christians: ...

:D

As a Christian, I agree. I mean, yeah, the Death of Christ was the point, and is bloody important.

But...the Resurrection was far more important. Oh sure, the death was necessary, but the death would have been moot had Christ not done the whole Resurrection bit.

Personally, I like the fish.

Yes, when the Christians are all evil, stupid, mass-murding, diabolical, geniuses, and every one else is Perfect in every way shape and form. It does make it easier for you.

Would you shut the fuck up already? You're not helping anything. Hey, guess what -- every religion has morons following it. Every religion has some good people following it. Every religion has the people that just want to mind their own business.

This story is a good example of that.

That's awesome.

Indeed.

Would you shut the fuck up already? You're not helping anything. Hey, guess what -- every religion has morons following it. Every religion has some good people following it. Every religion has the people that just want to mind their own business.

This story is a good example of that.

Apparently not according to vandal-unknown and neo-art and the pantless-hero. After only Christians can be evil. The triumvirate has spoken! Say, do any of you folks see any threads supporting Christianity? Nope, I didnt think so, how about any supporting every OTHER group besides Christians, yep I thought so to.

Apparently not according to vandal-unknown and neo-art and the pantless-hero. After only Christians can be evil. The triumvirate has spoken! Say, do any of you folks see any threads supporting Christianity? Nope, I didnt think so, how about any supporting every OTHER group besides Christians, yep I thought so to.

... aren't you a bit too hasty on interpreting other people's comments?

... or are just being sarcastic?

... aren't you a bit too hasty on interpreting other people's comments?

... or are just being sarcastic?

A bit of both, but really your comment didnt need any interpreting, I got your message loud and clear.

Not the Pontiff, which title refers to the Eastern Orthodox or the Catholic Popes.

It actually goes back further than that. Before it applied to the Pope, the Pontifex Maximus was the high priest in the Roman religion, and was held by the emperors through... Gratian (I think), at which point it was given to the Papacy.

A bit of both, but really your comment didnt need any interpreting, I got your message loud and clear.

... and my message being?

I also encode cryptic backward messages that glam-rock will make comeback.

Hmmm, maybe you confused Euro-pop as Christians?

Apparently not according to vandal-unknown and neo-art and the pantless-hero. After only Christians can be evil. The triumvirate has spoken! Say, do any of you folks see any threads supporting Christianity? Nope, I didnt think so, how about any supporting every OTHER group besides Christians, yep I thought so to.

...Bill O'Reilly is on NSG?! :eek:

But, in all seriousness, you're interpretation skills need some brush-up. While all three may not be particularly happy with the Christian religion, from their posts, I'm not getting the vibe that you're getting.

And oh hey, I'm a Christian too.

... and my message being?

I also encode cryptic backward messages that glam-rock will make comeback.

Hmmm, maybe you confused Euro-pop as Christians?

OMG IRONY.

Eiffel 65 was playing when I read this post.

...Bill O'Reilly is on NSG?! :eek:

But, in all seriousness, you're interpretation skills need some brush-up. While all three may not be particularly happy with the Christian religion, from their posts, I'm not getting the vibe that you're getting.

And oh hey, I'm a Christian too.



Ok what do you believe, just saying your a christian does not make you one. (Im not trying to argue about your profanities and apparently extreme dislike of me, im just asking, what do you believe?)

OMG IRONY.

Eiffel 65 was playing when I read this post.



I just bumped you down a couple notches on my repect list, sorry but ANYBODY who says "OMG" like a 12 year old youtuber is just...ugg.

I just bumped you down a couple notches on my repect list, sorry but ANYBODY who says "OMG" like a 12 year old youtuber is just...ugg.


Where ass throughing a temper tantrum when anyone says anything bad about Xtianity is the height of maturity. :rolleyes:

Where ass throughing a temper tantrum when anyone says anything bad about Xtianity is the height of maturity. :rolleyes:

If you can't handle the sarcasm don't play the game.

If you can't handle the sarcasm don't play the game.

:rolleyes:
You think somebody else should grow thicker skin, look at yourself first! You can't even handle anybody suggesting that, just maybe, Christianity isn't the single greatest thing to happen in the history of the earth, and that some Christians are not wonderful people.

:rolleyes:
You think somebody else should grow thicker skin, look at yourself first! You can't even handle anybody suggesting that, just maybe, Christianity isn't the single greatest thing to happen in the history of the earth, and that some Christians are not wonderful people.

I know that horrible things have been done in christs name and that christians can be stupid and make mistakes just like every one else. It's just your constant mocking of every christian all the time that gets to me, you really must have a fetish. But hey, im just a christian, so anything I say is wrong.:rolleyes:

I know that horrible things have been done in christs name and that christians can be stupid and make mistakes just like every one else. It's just your constant mocking of every christian all the time that gets to me, you really must have a fetish. But hey, im just a christian, so anything I say is wrong.:rolleyes:

Finally admitted it.

Finally admitted it.

Addmitted what? I know that Christians make mistakes and/or sin, intentionally or not. But I have heard a non-stop barrage of "all christians are idiots, evil, and they held back all human progress" arguments, not to mention the constant mocking. You leave almost every thing alone but Christians. Again you people seem to have a fetish.

Addmitted what? I know that Christians make mistakes and/or sin, intentionally or not. But I have heard a non-stop barrage of "all christians are idiots, evil, and they held back all human progress" arguments, not to mention the constant mocking. You leave almost every thing alone but Christians. Again you people seem to have a fetish.

Then you are not reading carefully. There have been posts in this thread that mention Christianity without attacking it, yet you seem to ignore them in favour of those that offend you.

You even choose to interpret humourous posts as being mean-spirited, and their authors as Christian haters, when such an interpretation doesn't seem likely.

Addmitted what? I know that Christians make mistakes and/or sin, intentionally or not. But I have heard a non-stop barrage of "all christians are idiots, evil, and they held back all human progress" arguments, not to mention the constant mocking. You leave almost every thing alone but Christians. Again you people seem to have a fetish.

You fundies and your persecution complex really amuse me.

Addmitted what? I know that Christians make mistakes and/or sin, intentionally or not. But I have heard a non-stop barrage of "all christians are idiots, evil, and they held back all human progress" arguments, not to mention the constant mocking. You leave almost every thing alone but Christians. Again you people seem to have a fetish.
I'm sorry, all I read of that was http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f81/jkdway/oppressedkv6.gif

You fundies and your persecution complex really amuse me.

You anti-theists and your god complex really amuse me.

I'm sorry, all I read of that was http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f81/jkdway/oppressedkv6.gif

That if far over used, if you can't come up with anything better than that then:rolleyes:.

That if far over used, if you can't come up with anything better than that then:rolleyes:.

Does this sentence actually mean anything or is it just a random assemblage of words?

Does this sentence actually mean anything or is it just a random assemblage of words?

If mine is a random assemblage of words so is your and his.

If mine is a random assemblage of words so is your and his.

Hats are good, look at the street.

Hats are good, look at the street.

Pardon?

THIS is the kind of muslim that should be running mideast countries.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/12/subway.attack/index.html)

Very inspirational. You just made my day. :)

Pardon?

When you said this:


That if far over used, if you can't come up with anything better than that then

The reason it was interpreted as a random string of words is that one critical word was incorrect, rendering the sentence without meaning.

Hats are good, look at the street.

When you said this:



The reason it was interpreted as a random string of words is that one critical word was incorrect, rendering the sentence without meaning.

Ahh, I see, my mistake, thank you for informing me.

Ahh, I see, my mistake, thank you for informing me.


No problem, I often make that kind of small typo.

Who said they were Christians, I don't see it any where in the article. Think before you type so you don't make a fool out of yourself you bigot.
Oh yeah. I'm sure a mixed bunch of Muslims, atheists and Buddhists were the ones worried about Jews killing Jesus.

I just bumped you down a couple notches on my repect list, sorry but ANYBODY who says "OMG" like a 12 year old youtuber is just...ugg.

omg liek y wud u du tat?!?!?!? i soreh 4 nawt habin t3h branz 2 speek on ur levl. :(

But to answer your previous question, I am a Calvinist. If you don't know what that is, look it up. :)

I, also, am one of the most Religiously Fundamentalist people in NS General (Not that that means much ;) ), I just don't post much about religion....

And I'm not a jerk about it? Well, not USUALLY a jerk about it.

omg liek y wud u du tat?!?!?!? i soreh 4 nawt habin t3h branz 2 speek on ur levl. :(

But to answer your previous question, I am a Calvinist. If you don't know what that is, look it up. :)

I, also, am one of the most Religiously Fundamentalist people in NS General (Not that that means much ;) ), I just don't post much about religion....

And I'm not a jerk about it?

It's a shame you feel only the elite few can go to heaven, I believe that anyone who accepts that Jesus died and rose again is saved, anyone.

I'm sorry, all I read of that was http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f81/jkdway/oppressedkv6.gif

I like the animated one better.

It's a shame you feel only the elite few can go to heaven, I believe that anyone who accepts that Jesus died and rose again is saved, anyone.

That's very generous of you. Does that mean all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists et all are all doomed?

That's very generous of you. Does that mean all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists et all are all doomed?

Only if they don't believe Jesus died and rose again.

Only if they don't believe Jesus died and rose again.

Well, that means those Taoist guys on the train are going to heaven.

The reason it was interpreted as a random string of words is that one critical word was incorrect, rendering the sentence without meaning.

Also there's no word after "then".

Well, that means those Taoist guys on the train are going to heaven.

Yay.

Also there's no word after "then".

Ah, yes, you're right.

That's very generous of you. Does that mean all the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists et all are all doomed?

It's not my place to be vengefull or generous, that is up to God.

1) No one is going to get pissed off about saying "Happy Chanukah" but the people hopped up on the war-on-christmas drug.
2) Because they said "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus," Even if they were just plain anti-semite, they arn't going to pull that shit out of their ass. They would start going on about some Jewish conspiracy to take over the world through rule of the economy. Bringing up "Jews killed Jesus" gives a 99.9% probability they are Christian.

I would say the most inept person on the planet could see that they were crackpot Christians, but then there is your post.

:upyours: You really are a bigot! Any Christian with an I.Q. of at least 10 knows that December is just about as far away from April as humanly possible and would not say something as inherently stupid as "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus,". The fact that person said that is undeniable proof that the person is NOT a Christian. And the fact you're using that person as an opportunity to bash Christians just shows the world you don't know the slightest thing about the people you're trying to badmouth! Secondly, Christians do not hate Jews! The Christian religion came from Israel and the Jews, just try reading the book of Acts in the New Testament. And third, no where in that story of the subway attack does it mention anti-war protesters. That bit you said about Christians hating war on Christmas is an assumption. Everyone knows that if you are at war you simply can't declare a ceasefire for the holidays and go back at it a while later. If you're at war, you're at war until it's over. And for the record, there are no more Christians in the anti-war group than anyone else. I've found more non-Christians in the anti-war group than Christians, and I should know, I am one!

Abraham Lincoln once said: "It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it." I suggest you follow his advice because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Pownage Complete

:upyours: You really are a bigot! Any Christian with an I.Q. of at least 10 knows that December is just about as far away from April as humanly possible and would not say something as inherently stupid as "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus,". The fact that person said that is undeniable proof that the person is NOT a Christian. And the fact you're using that person as an opportunity to bash Christians just shows the world you don't know the slightest thing about the people you're trying to badmouth! Secondly, Christians do not hate Jews! The Christian religion came from Israel and the Jews, just try reading the book of Acts in the New Testament. And third, no where in that story of the subway attack does it mention anti-war protesters. That bit you said about Christians hating war on Christmas is an assumption. Everyone knows that if you are at war you simply can't declare a ceasefire for the holidays and go back at it a while later. If you're at war, you're at war until it's over. And for the record, there are no more Christians in the anti-war group than anyone else. I've found more non-Christians in the anti-war group than Christians, and I should know, I am one!

Abraham Lincoln once said: "It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it." I suggest you follow his advice because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Pownage Complete
Did that post make any sense to anyone else?

Pownage Complete

Yeah...pretty much.

:upyours: You really are a bigot! Any Christian with an I.Q. of at least 10 knows that December is just about as far away from April as humanly possible and would not say something as inherently stupid as "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus,". The fact that person said that is undeniable proof that the person is NOT a Christian. And the fact you're using that person as an opportunity to bash Christians just shows the world you don't know the slightest thing about the people you're trying to badmouth! Secondly, Christians do not hate Jews! The Christian religion came from Israel and the Jews, just try reading the book of Acts in the New Testament. And third, no where in that story of the subway attack does it mention anti-war protesters. That bit you said about Christians hating war on Christmas is an assumption. Everyone knows that if you are at war you simply can't declare a ceasefire for the holidays and go back at it a while later. If you're at war, you're at war until it's over. And for the record, there are no more Christians in the anti-war group than anyone else. I've found more non-Christians in the anti-war group than Christians, and I should know, I am one!

Abraham Lincoln once said: "It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it." I suggest you follow his advice because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Pownage Complete

You just completely cheered me up. One of the more hilarious things I've read today.

Everyone knows that if you are at war you simply can't declare a ceasefire for the holidays and go back at it a while later. If you're at war, you're at war until it's over.

Well, actually...

:upyours: You really are a bigot! Any Christian with an I.Q. of at least 10 knows that December is just about as far away from April as humanly possible and would not say something as inherently stupid as "Oh, Hanukkah. That's the day that the Jews killed Jesus,". The fact that person said that is undeniable proof that the person is NOT a Christian. And the fact you're using that person as an opportunity to bash Christians just shows the world you don't know the slightest thing about the people you're trying to badmouth! Secondly, Christians do not hate Jews! The Christian religion came from Israel and the Jews, just try reading the book of Acts in the New Testament. And third, no where in that story of the subway attack does it mention anti-war protesters. That bit you said about Christians hating war on Christmas is an assumption. Everyone knows that if you are at war you simply can't declare a ceasefire for the holidays and go back at it a while later. If you're at war, you're at war until it's over. And for the record, there are no more Christians in the anti-war group than anyone else. I've found more non-Christians in the anti-war group than Christians, and I should know, I am one!

Abraham Lincoln once said: "It's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it." I suggest you follow his advice because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Pownage Complete

What the hell? Is it just me, or did this poster end up on some tangent about anti Iraq war groups? :confused:

I'm very confused.

I thought the Jews kill Jesus on Easter-ish times.

What the hell? Is it just me, or did this poster end up on some tangent about anti Iraq war groups? :confused:

I think...he/she is reading protesting the war on Christmas as at the time of Christmas, Christians tend to protest the war (in Iraq). o.O

Sorry if I pissed off anyone besides the guy who wrote that. I just get really angry every time someone comes out and badmouths my religion without having the foggiest idea what they're talking about. Sure, I have other religions I don't like (of which shall remain nameless) but I at least do extensive research to make sure I know what I'm talking about because I hate to make a fool of myself in front of other people.

I however will be the first to admit that Christianity is no where near the ideal the religion's founders intended it to be and the Christians do indeed take advantage of their opportunities and positions just like everyone else. Nor do we set a proper example to anyone of opposing religions in the manner that we should but we're no where near as bad as everyone makes us out to be. Likewise, Muslims aren't
the terrorists western media makes them out to be either. It's just a couple select examples tainting the image for the whole group.

I may vehemently defend my religion but trust me when I say that there's just as many Christians I'd like to smack up side the head as there are anti-Christians.

Just to clue every one in, my previous post was at a few remarks a few pages back.

Edit:
Hamilay: If it has been done, then I take that sentence back. I've simply never heard about it.

Xomic: They did, I was pointing out that the Christmas/Hanukkah time is way different than the time Jesus was killed and anyone that says they're the same are not Christians because even a 6 year old Christian knows better than that.

Liminus: Yes, I thought he was talking Iraq. Lately I've been hearing alot of people talking about "those stupid anti-war protesters" and Christians as if they're all the same people. I've lately had it up to my eyeballs with that discussion and thought he was bringing up that argument again. Fortunately almost my entire point was mentioned before I said that. Sorry if I confused anyone.

I hate to make a fool of myself in front of other people. ... I thought he was talking Iraq.

Hmm...Ironic isn't it? Just noticed that. :D :headbang:

Xomic: They did, I was pointing out that the Christmas/Hanukkah time is way different than the time Jesus was killed and anyone that says they're the same are not Christians because even a 6 year old Christian knows better than that.
You're really very lucky. You haven't been exposed to the sheer depths of idiocy to which humanity can sink.

You know... what's awesome about this is that the muslim involved broke a poor religious stereotype by acting nobly in the face of a group of tormenters.
Interesting, that the primary response is to reinforce another poor religious stereotype.
Chances are the idiots on the train were Christian, but there are as many stupid Christians out there as there are stupid anything else, and the same ratio of smart people as well, I'm sure.
nice first post. welcome to NSG.

Any Christian with an I.Q. of at least 10 knows that December is just about as far away from April as humanly possible
The assumption that these people had an IQ of at least 10 is questionable....

Yeah...pretty much.

Except that it wasn't even remotely what TPH meant.

OT: Thought you were signing up to Spycraft this weekend? What gives?