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...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

That isn't chastity. It's abstinence until marriage. A completely chaste society wouldn't last long.

A completely chaste society wouldn't last long.
lol

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

Yeah, it would result in a generally better society. Quite a few of the problems today result from the lessening of family values (my definition of family values isn't the same as the traditional, homophobic one, FYI).

Oh please no.

Enough of today's problems are caused by our massive sexual hang-ups, lets not add to them!

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

Pleasure control? Sounds horribly draconian. Why would we want the government to mandate this kind of thing? The government is best when it stays the hell out of the bedroom. What is good for the goose ain't good for the gander most days.

The very definition of family can't be solidified into one singular meaning because family is not just those you're immediately related to. Family is a cohesive unit that sticks together when the tough gets going and it doesn't rely on some anal "traditional" meaning. A family is a group that looks out for one another, regardless of sexual orientation.

Ethics are relative to one's upbringing and what one finds ethical, another may find unethical, hence legislating ethics would be doomed to fail from the outset.

There is nothing wrong with chastity or abstinence itself, but alone with no alternatives it's dangerous. To treat it as the highest virtue, you alienate people, and create a stigma because someone wants to fall out of the "status quo". You need choice and a pool of knowledge from which to make that choice because every human has different needs and levels of dependency. Some humans are highly sexual, some are happy with none. People should be free to make our own choices.

That isn't chastity. It's abstinence until marriage. A completely chaste society wouldn't last long.

it actually depends on which definition of Chaste the society is using.

Chaste is also defined (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chaste) as
"refraining from sexual intercourse that is regarded as contrary to morality or religion; virtuous. " of which sex before marriage would fall into as well as Exclusive partners.

and it also is defined as "Morally pure in thought or conduct; decent and modest."

the common definition is not experiencing sexual intercourse. but its not the only definition.

However, being the "Highest Virtue" does not make it Legally Enforceable in both feasability or by virtue of being 'right'.

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?
A society so fixated on sex that it makes chastity an ultimate virtue and fetishizes virginity?

As an American, I cannot possibly conceive of such a world...

A society so fixated on sex that it makes chastity an ultimate virtue and fetishizes virginity?

As an American, I cannot possibly conceive of such a world...

Monistaries and Convents. ;)

:D

After copying several manuscripts, a friar suggested that instead of comparing each one with another, that they compare it with the original. the Head Abbot agreed and the Friar decended into the depths to retrieve the original manuscript.

After several hours, the Friar didn't return so the Abbot went after him to see if everything was ok. In the library chambers, he found the friar crying on the ground. The original manuscript lay open before him.

"Brother, what is wrong?" the abbott asked.

The Friar lifted his tear streaked face and cried, "The word is CELEBRATE!"

Your proposition reminds me of the Shakers, one of the nineteenth century Utopian experiments. They left numerous empty settlements, and a few that haven't been scavenged are probably around.

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously.

humans have two modes sex and violence, your pick

Yeah, it would result in a generally better society. Quite a few of the problems today result from the lessening of family values (my definition of family values isn't the same as the traditional, homophobic one, FYI).

tell me about these "family values" and do try to convince me how we didn't have these "problems" back in ye olde times

I wish I had that ancient text that moaned about rowdy kids now...

A society so fixated on sex that it makes chastity an ultimate virtue and fetishizes virginity?

As an American, I cannot possibly conceive of such a world...

As an American, you would for various reasons. Most Americans are used to the idea of individualism, and individualized pleasure is no exception. On top of that, Americans, whether they admit it or not, tend to be a promiscuous bunch.
The only consequence I could see is that it'd move social control into family units, and indirectly the government. One of the reasons crime in this country is higher than pre-war is because the primary social control unit (the family) is decomposing, and has created several interesting consequences. There may be new institutions arising now, and the effects of total decomposition are unclear. However, society could be instantly controlled with strict familitarization.

'The Primary Social Control Unit'?

'Society could be instantly controlled with strict familiarization'?

What are you? Some kind of puritan Borg?

What are you? Some kind of puritan Borg?

can't get laid syndrome is more like it, this is the Internet

meh, same as others. You want a really good society, we should try Philosopher-Kings that Plato suggested. Just think, in order to be in charge, you have to prove that you're smart enough for the job (and thus relegating W. to a position of obscurity where he could do no harm...)

humans have two modes sex and violence, your pick



tell me about these "family values" and do try to convince me how we didn't have these "problems" back in ye olde times

I wish I had that ancient text that moaned about rowdy kids now...

When I'm referring to problems with family values, I'm referring more to impovershed African American single moms then anything else. I think the breakup of the african american family is the greatest cause of their failure as a socioeconomic class. The family is the most important unit in a society. Without the family, society can't function. It provides a network of social, emotional, and financial support, as well as (most importantly) provides children with the love, support, and protection required.

Family values (for me at least) does not include "moaning about rowdy kids nowadays", unless its referring to the gang members in the inner city.

meh, same as others. You want a really good society, we should try Philosopher-Kings that Plato suggested. Just think, in order to be in charge, you have to prove that you're smart enough for the job (and thus relegating W. to a position of obscurity where he could do no harm...)
I'm not passing judgement on this society one way or another. I merely brought it up because it scared the shit out of my friends, and it's making people here flip out. Doesn't that tell you something interesting about humanity?

I think I'll imagine a society with no delu-- err, religious people instead.

...mmm...

As an American, you would for various reasons. Most Americans are used to the idea of individualism, and individualized pleasure is no exception. On top of that, Americans, whether they admit it or not, tend to be a promiscuous bunch.
The only consequence I could see is that it'd move social control into family units, and indirectly the government. One of the reasons crime in this country is higher than pre-war is because the primary social control unit (the family) is decomposing, and has created several interesting consequences. There may be new institutions arising now, and the effects of total decomposition are unclear. However, society could be instantly controlled with strict familitarization.
Clearly I fail at sarcasm.

humans have two modes sex and violence, your pick

Blood for the Blood God?

Clearly I fail at sarcasm.

The sacasm was not clear to me, and neither is the fact that you fail at it. What were you sarcastic on?

humans have two modes sex and violence, your pick

And that is why hermits and some clergy practice corporal mortification: it releases the same endorphins sex does. Maybe they never had chocolate before :).

The sacasm[sic] was not clear to me, and neither is the fact that you fail at it. What were you sarcastic on?

"As an American, I cannot conceive of such a world (where abstinence and virginity are important)." That's the sarcasm. We in the U.S. are quite prudish, since we have widely criminalized prostitution, except for a few places in Nevada, we teach abstinence-only in school, and generally expect two people to at least learn each other's first name before going to bed together.

As we've seen in the movie Eurotrip, Americans are deprived of ample opportunity to experience what we call crazy European monkey sex. If only our society did not have that pesky religious right causing uproar about pretty much everything.

I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed.

I am not overly-promiscuous, but I am still utterly repulsed.

It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol.

Quite. Some of us don't want to be controlled.

It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control,

It should not.

for laws and ethical systems would be based around this.

Laws and ethical systems based on enforcing chastity are worthless and unjust.

Anything else that may happen?

A society of severely sexually-repressed people probably isn't a good idea.

When I'm referring to problems with family values, I'm referring more to impovershed African American single moms then anything else. I think the breakup of the african american family is the greatest cause of their failure as a socioeconomic class.

so when was that any different? or should I rather be asking maybe Africans being poor might show something?

Family values (for me at least) does not include "moaning about rowdy kids nowadays", unless its referring to the gang members in the inner city.

what are these inner city gangs of which you speak? do you come from 1920's New York?

And that is why hermits and some clergy practice corporal mortification: it releases the same endorphins sex does. Maybe they never had chocolate before :).

we should have sex with them

"As an American, I cannot conceive of such a world (where abstinence and virginity are important)." That's the sarcasm. We in the U.S. are quite prudish, since we have widely criminalized prostitution, except for a few places in Nevada, we teach abstinence-only in school, and generally expect two people to at least learn each other's first name before going to bed together.

As we've seen in the movie Eurotrip, Americans are deprived of ample opportunity to experience what we call crazy European monkey sex. If only our society did not have that pesky religious right causing uproar about pretty much everything.
Maybe. We certainly mystify sex to the point where it is both taboo and craved. For instance, do you usually here the work "penis" in conversation?

I'd call it a dystopia, and if I were living in it I would go into the government's highest office with guns, shoot everyone, maybe fuck the president's secretary, and then shoot everyone else.

I'd call it a dystopia, and if I were living in it I would go into the government's highest office with guns, shoot everyone, maybe fuck the president's secretary, and then shoot everyone else.

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0605/af02dd010995af877215.jpeg

is it worth it?

Guess not. The shooting rampage is though.

I have a work-in-progress story I'm writing about an anti-individualist dystopia. It ends with the 2 main characters shooting a shitload of government officials in the main building.

No rape scene though, and now that you gave me that image I'm not putting one in.

meh, same as others. You want a really good society, we should try Philosopher-Kings that Plato suggested. Just think, in order to be in charge, you have to prove that you're smart enough for the job (and thus relegating W. to a position of obscurity where he could do no harm...)

And also creating the weird, tyrannical government that Plato advocated to create those philosopher-kings.

I am not overly-promiscuous, but I am still utterly repulsed.

Same.

Quite. Some of us don't want to be controlled.

Ergh.

It should not.

Correct.

Laws and ethical systems based on enforcing chastity are worthless and unjust.

Worthless, yes. I tend to avoid terms like "just."

A society of severely sexually-repressed people probably isn't a good idea.

Just to play the Devil's Advocate here: Only people who refused to get married would be "sexually-repressed."

so when was that any different? or should I rather be asking maybe Africans being poor might show something?



what are these inner city gangs of which you speak? do you come from 1920's New York?


MS13, bloods, and crips, among others.

I highly doubt if the failure is solely on racism, or even largely because of it. With most Americans professing tolerance and any racism in the US instantly becoming highly publicized (think OJ Simpson), there have to be other, more significant reasons for failure other than this 1960s anachronistic hobgoblin.

Just to clarify, racism does still exist, and will continue to do so for a long time, but people radically overestimate its size and influence.

The farther we try to run from the Bonobo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo), the closer we come to the Chimpanzee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee).

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?
Is such a thing too painful think about? Painfully boring, unoriginal and biased, maybe, yes ("overly-promiscuous?" :rolleyes:). If I spent any time actually thinking about it, I would need at least 3 days of sex just to get my brain out of the fog of nonsense it exudes.

A completely chaste society wouldn't last long.

That's what I was thinking.

is it worth it?

Hell yeah! :)

Is such a thing too painful think about? Painfully boring, unoriginal and biased, maybe, yes ("overly-promiscuous?" :rolleyes:). If I spent any time actually thinking about it, I would need at least 3 days of sex just to get my brain out of the fog of nonsense it exudes.
I was just describing my friends. There are other terms other friends and myself have used, but why repeat them here?

As a matter of practical reason and maintaining sound mental discipline, I try never to "imagine a society..."

can't get laid syndrome is more like it, this is the Internet

I'm afraid I just don't understand. Statistics show that people on the Internet get laid far more often, and with much hotter partners. Female internet users also tend to enjoy lingerie and swimsuit modeling.

Chinese society traditionally places a high premium on chastity, and you'd be surprised by the combination of ignorance, innocence and modesty many Chinese university students seem to have when it comes to matters sexual.

Which said, China is undergoing a sexual revolution and is rapidly becoming much more sexually liberated.

Many young people in the current college generation pay little head to the traditions of chastity.

Ask me how I know

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?
For what it's worth, I sympathise with that idea, though "highest virtue" is going way too far. There are other much more important things society should be concerned about, but I agree that the promotion of chastity and modesty should be among the government's goals.

Which said, China is undergoing a sexual revolution and is rapidly becoming much more sexually liberated.
"Sexually liberated?" What a nice little euphemism for one of the aspects of social decay! I prefer the term "sexually depraved."

well, if we go back to the origen of the word; chastity has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with self dicipline. just as the archaic use of deciple ment loyalty.

far from having to imagine a dominent culture in praise of sexual abstinance, it is one of the central shortcomings of even the christothemic internationanally dominant one. all be it somewhat hypicritticly.

islamic sharia is even more adamant about it. again its greatest misfortune.

yes it is true human birthrates despirately need to be reduced, yet this has proven to be neither an effective nor realistic means of doing so.

nor was that ever its intent.

rather what it does and has done, is to INCREASE ambient levels of aggressiveness in a society, making it easier for kings and governemnts of whatever form, to raise armies and engauge in gratuitous and disasterous warfare.

this world, is if anything, the worse off, for the demise of openly and honestly permiscuous cultures, that acknowledge the solid realities of both physiological and psychological nature.

=^^=
.../\...

After copying several manuscripts, a friar suggested that instead of comparing each one with another, that they compare it with the original. the Head Abbot agreed and the Friar decended into the depths to retrieve the original manuscript.

After several hours, the Friar didn't return so the Abbot went after him to see if everything was ok. In the library chambers, he found the friar crying on the ground. The original manuscript lay open before him.

"Brother, what is wrong?" the abbott asked.

The Friar lifted his tear streaked face and cried, "The word is CELEBRATE!"

I have nothing to contribute to the thread, but damn this was funny :D

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

I think if you look at history, you'll find plenty of societies that have promoted chastity in that way.
It led to massive tensions between the genders, inequality, all-pervasive social control of the individual and general misery.
"Peasure control" should be up to the individual, government control only should kick in where other individuals might get affected.

The sacasm was not clear to me, and neither is the fact that you fail at it. What were you sarcastic on?
My post was a sarcastic riff on how America is precisely the society being described. Want to see what happens when a culture becomes obsessed with sexual "purity"? Check out our Purity Balls, abstinence-only education, purity rings, and all the other chastity-related crap floating around.

Don't forget to take note of what happens when such ideas are the majority culture, either. See, it turns out that fetishizing purity and making chastity the law of the land doesn't actually do a damn thing to stop people from fucking. If anything, it creates a more repressed and sex-obsessed environment, but one in which nobody actually knows enough to be safe, so unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission become increasingly common.

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

...

And if we go a bit deeper... Imagine the chastity... even in the family! :cool:

Check out our Purity Balls

What on earth are they? Is it a dance for virgins or symbolic testicles for boys to wear around their necks to show they are still virgins?

I see no potential value in such a society. It would cause more problems than it could solve(not that it could solve many). See: America. Abstinence-only education leads to total ignorance of sex, and thus total ignorance of how to have sex safely. This leads to more STIs and more unwanted pregnancies.


Besides, I don't see how chastity could even be considered a virtue. What's so fantastic about being sexually pure?
What on earth are they? Is it a dance for virgins or symbolic testicles for boys to wear around their necks to show they are still virgins?
Little girls pledge that they'll remain Daddy's property until he marries them off.

Little girls pledge that they'll remain Daddy's property until he marries them off.

Eeeuuugh creepy.

...where chastity was the highest virtue. Seriously. I brought it up to my overly-promiscuous friends, and they were utterly repulsed. But then I thought about it, and the potential social consequences. It would centralize biological pleasure in families, a convinient unit of social contrnol. It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control, for laws and ethical systems would be based around this. Anything else that may happen? Or is this too painful to think about?

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.

So lets start with keeping the government out of every bodies sexual preference. Why chastity as the higheset virtue? Rather than ohh I don't know, not killing each other.

It's not too painful to think about, it is though quiet ridiculous.

What on earth are they? Is it a dance for virgins or symbolic testicles for boys to wear around their necks to show they are still virgins?
Here's the first substantive link that came up when I googled "purity ball":

http://www.glamour.com/news/articles/2007/01/purityballs07feb

Note that it's from Glamour magazine, which pretty much guarantees that it's not radical feminazi propaganda. :D

Here's the first substantive link that came up when I googled "purity ball":

http://www.glamour.com/news/articles/2007/01/purityballs07feb

Note that it's from Glamour magazine, which pretty much guarantees that it's not radical feminazi propaganda. :D

America scares me sometimes.

Eeeuuugh creepy.

Very. Has Electra complex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electra_complex) written all over it.

Eeeuuugh creepy.
One of my favorite new "traditions" is a father giving his daughter a keyhole locket, and then keeping the key so that Daddy can present it to her husband the day his daughter marries.

The symbolism there is just too Freudian for words.

One of my favorite new "traditions" is a father giving his daughter a keyhole locket, and then keeping the key so that Daddy can present it to her husband the day his daughter marries.

The symbolism there is just too Freudian for words.

Right now Freud is in psychologist's heaven 'smoking' his 'cigar' at the thought of this.

One of my favorite new "traditions" is a father giving his daughter a keyhole locket, and then keeping the key so that Daddy can present it to her husband the day his daughter marries.

The symbolism there is just too Freudian for words.

It will be chastity belts next. I thought cheerleading was weird enough...but these are genuinely disturbing.

Here's the first substantive link that came up when I googled "purity ball":

http://www.glamour.com/news/articles/2007/01/purityballs07feb

Note that it's from Glamour magazine, which pretty much guarantees that it's not radical feminazi propaganda. :D

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Please tell me this is satire. Please. Please?

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Please tell me this is satire. Please. Please?
Oh, not at all. Purity Balls are all the rage in certain regions of the US. Right along with Purity rings, Purity pledges, and Purity concerts.

It's part of this "new" and "radical" movement aimed at getting kids to stop fucking by imposing puritanical notions of sexual chastity.

"Sexually liberated?" What a nice little euphemism for one of the aspects of social decay! I prefer the term "sexually depraved."

Fascinating, I'm sure...

Wasn't there a Christian denomination somewhere in the US that believed in chastity? It's kind of hard to find out their name, seeing as they died out.

"Sex without marriage is...immoral."

-Boba Fett, Last One Standing.

http://forevergeek.com/images/boba.jpg

Oh, not at all. Purity Balls are all the rage in certain regions of the US. Right along with Purity rings, Purity pledges, and Purity concerts.

It's part of this "new" and "radical" movement aimed at getting kids to stop fucking by imposing puritanical notions of sexual chastity.

and you know what I find the most amusing?

The first peer-reviewed study of virginity pledgers — by sociologists Peter Bearman and Hannah Brueckner of Columbia and Yale, respectively — found that in the year following their pledge, some virginity pledgers are more likely to delay sex than non-pledgers; when virginity pledgers do have sex, they are less likely to use contraception than non-pledgers.

. . . .

A second peer-reviewed study, also by Bearman and Brueckner, looked at virginity pledgers five years after their pledge, and found that they have similar proportions of STDs (Sexually Transmitted Disease) and at least as high proportions of anal and oral sex as those who have not made a virginity pledge. They inductively determinefd that pledgers may substitute oral and anal sex for vaginal sex.

. . . .

A third peer-reviewed study — by Melina Bersamin and others at Prevention Research Center, in Berkeley, California — found that adolescents who make an informal promise to themselves not to have sex will delay sex, but adolescents who take a formal virginity pledge do not delay sex

A fourth peer-reviewed study — by Harvard public health researcher Janet Rosenbaum — found that over half of adolescents who took virginity pledges said the following year that they had never taken a pledge. This study showed that those who make the pledge but have sex are likely to deny ever pledging; and many who were sexually active prior to taking the pledge deny their sexual history, which, it is speculated, may cause them to underestimate their risk of having STDs.

A 2006 Harvard Journal of Medicine article found that 45% of those girls who signed a virginity pledge engaged in other sex activities such as oral or anal sex

How about a society where the highest virtue is sexual promiscuity? I want my soma!

Also, Purity Balls makes me think of the X-Files alien conquerors and their mind control drug, now sold in convenient pill form! There's never been a more convenient way to gestate your very own alien being! Possible side effects may include death, cancer, overwrought dialogue, and paranoid FBI agents.

ok ive imagined such a society.

HYPOCRISY

a society that has chastity and sexual purity as its highest value is full of hypocrisy. people would put up the pretense of being chaste but would not be. sex is too strong a drive for people to obey some outside rule over.

so they would pretend to be pure but not be.

the poor fools who actually WERE pure would end up cynical and bitter once they found out that they had been duped into a life of sexual deprivation. this would lead them to want harsher punishments for those who break sexual rules. the secretly impure would be forced to agree or have people figure out that they were not really the people they were pretending to be.

Hmm, I think its a nice idea. Unfortunately the other posters are correct, a sexually repressed society does have some inherent flaws. The real question I think is how can we encourage people to establish strong, permanent families, without resorting to draconian methods. In my opinion higher austria sees the problem with poverty and lack of a family structure within black communities and perhaps sees sex as the problem. He might be right- after all you can't make babies without it. babies which immediately become a burden on society, especially if they grow up to be criminals or poor, lazy, whatever. Unfortunately everyone here is thinking within the current proposals from those on the anti-sex side of this.

How about rewarding people who stay together as a family, or don't have children out of wedlock? Of course my favorite is to get rid of welfare and all that other BS, that way we're not rewarding people for doing the wrong thing, at least in the short term which is all most poor can see anyway. I dunno, anything to reward people for doing things that are good for society instead of punishing people for doing something wrong. I'm sure you'll mostly disagree but to live together as a society there needs to be some give and take, the benefits don't come without a cost, that cost is always personal freedom, in one form or another.

can't get laid syndrome is more like it, this is the Internet

Hahaha!:D

Incidentally, the OP is an ascetic fuckwit, and, I'll bet, a virgin.

Hahaha!:D

Incidentally, the OP is an ascetic fuckwit, and, I'll bet, a virgin.

Please, don't group us virgins together like that; it's just not nice.

Please, don't group us virgins together like that; it's just not nice.

I'm just noting that those who object to sex tend not to get much of it. Jealousy on the part of the OP I feel.

Middle to Upper class Victorian England.

You want a society that praised castity above all other virtues? Look no further. It was considered shameful for an unmarried girl to know the proper names of her sexual organs. Or to have any idea of what sex was before the wedding night.

Of course, it didn't work out that way. Society's rules were, I suspect, observed more in the breach than in the following.

But the results..? "Fallen" women (by which they meant ones pregnant without husbands) had the choice of living in a hostel - where they were virtually slaves, and their babies taken and placed in orphanages - or trying to live by themselves (for their families would not sully their names by helping them) - and that usually meant prostitution, since no "proper" man would hire such a woman.

Not that prostitution existed, mind you - just ask the government, which occasionally decried the existence of all these "nymphomaniacal women" - since no one could possibly be that hard up in prosperous Britain, that they would need to stoop to such activity to earn a crust.

As for men - well, you may have heard of "The English Disease", or "The English Fetish". These are polite ways of referring to self-flagellation - the use of a weighted whip to strike oneself over the shoulder, causing welts or even drawing blood. Men were so ashamed of their natural sexual urges that they turned to inflicting upon themselves intense pain in order to "cleanse" themselves of their "beastly lusts". It was not as common as some have made out, but common enough.

Simultaneously, of course, young men visited high-class brothels and "sporting houses" quite openly - and nothing was said. Sexually transmitted disease was at an all-time high.

"A chaste Society?" Call it the hell it is.

How about a society where the highest virtue is sexual promiscuity? I want my soma!

Also, Purity Balls makes me think of the X-Files alien conquerors and their mind control drug, now sold in convenient pill form! There's never been a more convenient way to gestate your very own alien being! Possible side effects may include death, cancer, overwrought dialogue, and paranoid FBI agents.

That's an idea. It would relieve stress on a massive scale, and promote a type of physical/spiritual unity that is nonexistant in most societies. I do wonder if this would affect existing levers of social control, namely family, but since both sex and family have existed since the dawn of mankind, the two are compatible. I do love, btw, how people believe I am advocating for a chaste society. It's curious that even the mere suggestion of this is taboo.

I'm just noting that those who object to sex tend not to get much of it. Jealousy on the part of the OP I feel.

Same with drink methinks. Anyway, someone who objects to sex and gets plenty of it would a hypocrite, would not they?

Middle to Upper class Victorian England.

You want a society that praised castity above all other virtues? Look no further. It was considered shameful for an unmarried girl to know the proper names of her sexual organs. Or to have any idea of what sex was before the wedding night.

Of course, it didn't work out that way. Society's rules were, I suspect, observed more in the breach than in the following.

But the results..? "Fallen" women (by which they meant ones pregnant without husbands) had the choice of living in a hostel - where they were virtually slaves, and their babies taken and placed in orphanages - or trying to live by themselves (for their families would not sully their names by helping them) - and that usually meant prostitution, since no "proper" man would hire such a woman.

Not that prostitution existed, mind you - just ask the government, which occasionally decried the existence of all these "nymphomaniacal women" - since no one could possibly be that hard up in prosperous Britain, that they would need to stoop to such activity to earn a crust.

As for men - well, you may have heard of "The English Disease", or "The English Fetish". These are polite ways of referring to self-flagellation - the use of a weighted whip to strike oneself over the shoulder, causing welts or even drawing blood. Men were so ashamed of their natural sexual urges that they turned to inflicting upon themselves intense pain in order to "cleanse" themselves of their "beastly lusts". It was not as common as some have made out, but common enough.

Simultaneously, of course, young men visited high-class brothels and "sporting houses" quite openly - and nothing was said. Sexually transmitted disease was at an all-time high.

"A chaste Society?" Call it the hell it is.

It probably would be hell. Anyhow, a couple of comments. First of all, self-flagellation was done precisely because of the lack of sex. It releases the same endorphins. Secondly, I think medeival Europe would work better. Victorian England focused on a few other virtues (liberalism, imperialism) but medeival Europe was all about chastity.

My post was a sarcastic riff on how America is precisely the society being described. Want to see what happens when a culture becomes obsessed with sexual "purity"? Check out our Purity Balls, abstinence-only education, purity rings, and all the other chastity-related crap floating around.

Don't forget to take note of what happens when such ideas are the majority culture, either. See, it turns out that fetishizing purity and making chastity the law of the land doesn't actually do a damn thing to stop people from fucking. If anything, it creates a more repressed and sex-obsessed environment, but one in which nobody actually knows enough to be safe, so unplanned pregnancy and STD transmission become increasingly common.
Those things are popular in many places, but they are not a threat to sexual pleasure. After all, that same society distributes condoms and contraceptives through drug stores. They come from the drug stores that actually represent America's highest virtue: capitalism.

BTW, notice how I never made the link between government and social control within the family?

Lol, a chastity society, it wouldn't last a generation.

I got a better idea, a society where everyone fucks everyone else.

think brave new world but without a class system

I got a better idea, a society where everyone fucks everyone else.

Ever heard of the nightclub scene?

Enough of today's problems are caused by our massive sexual hang-ups
Boy howdy!
Yesterdays' too.
Perhaps a little more on the morrow.
So perhaps the faith-based initiatives (not taxpayer funded) could result in a culling of the populace in a good way?

I was just describing my friends. There are other terms other friends and myself have used, but why repeat them here?
Do your friend describe themselves as "overly promiscuous", or is that just your word for their lifestyle?

Also, do you have some objective criteria for measuring the relative level of promiscuity and some standard by which to label it "overly"?

Or are you just being judgmental?

For what it's worth, I sympathise with that idea, though "highest virtue" is going way too far. There are other much more important things society should be concerned about, but I agree that the promotion of chastity and modesty should be among the government's goals.
I think one of the government's goals should be to avoid pissing me off. Some government bureacrat or sniveling little brown-nose of a politician prattling on about other people's sex lives would be counter-productive to that goal. I pay my taxes to get the roads paved and the schools equipped with books, NOT to have some moron I'm not involved with express an opinion about how many orgasm I have in a week.

"Sexually liberated?" What a nice little euphemism for one of the aspects of social decay! I prefer the term "sexually depraved."
And your preferences matter because... why again?

The obvious subjectivity of all such judgmental comments is argument enough against any government involvment in such personal moral issues.

Lol, a chastity society, it wouldn't last a generation.

Cloning?

Cloning?

I'm not so sure the types who would be in favour of chastity are going to be all that overjoyed about human cloning.

I'm not so sure the types who would be in favour of chastity are going to be all that overjoyed about human cloning.

*points to self with two fingers*

It would also allow the government to have a degree of pleasure control

And how do you do that :eek: ?

Given similar attempts before such as Shakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers), I don't think it would last long.