NationStates Jolt Archive

Human ability to find a way to say the past was predicted after-the-fact or god's way of hiding spoilers?

we have a hard enough time figuring out what the text itself means without having to wade through some kind of code and decipher that too.

Meaningless mathematical algorithms used to "crack" the code? Yeah, I'd say it's bunk.

Why the History Channel chose to air that horse dung is beyond me.

1) because it is a big field for whatever reason.

2) I say its bunk.

I did the math a while back but don't remember the results, but if you take the number of characters in the Bible and then look at the number of possible words and short phrases you can construct by taking letters at constant intervals the number of possible results is staggering and it's almost remarkable that there aren't more cases of "mysterious" and "unexplainable" messages cropping up all throughout the Bible.

What there is a hidden code within the bible? Does it show us exactly which passages should be taken literally and with metaphorically?:D

Nah. I prefer hermeticism. *nods*

I thought this was debunked a few months after the book came out.

Haven't they updated you yet?

God's hidden code is in phi.

Nah. I prefer hermeticism. *nods*

Summit to do with hermits?

I thought this was debunked a few months after the book came out.

Hell I thought it was debunk when the first time the history channel aired it, one of the supports were claiming the accoring to the code the world was going to end and they had to put a disclaimer saying the it was taped BEFORE the date so the guy didn't look like a complete moron.


(I think he was saying the world was going to end in 2002 or 2003, in the second version the same guy was now claiming 2012)

Haven't they updated you yet?

God's hidden code is in phi.

what? since when?



is it chocolate phi?

Ah yes, I found it.

Responding to an explicit challenge from Drosnin, who claimed that other texts such as Moby Dick could not yield ELS, Australian mathematician Brendan McKay found many ELS letter arrays in Moby Dick that relate to modern events, including the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. He also found a code relating to the Rabin assassination, containing the assassin's first and last name and the university he attended, as well as the motive ("Oslo", relating to the Oslo accords).[10] Drosnin has responded to these claims, saying that Moby Dick code results are simply "nonsense"; he said codes found in the Bible Code were "truth" and contained real predictions.[11]
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_code), because I'm lazy.

Hoist by his own pitard.:D

The mathematical algorithms behind the poll results indicate a mysterious aspect of our psyche that stirs a deep seated inner voice, which says the Bible code is a load of crud.

(I think he was saying the world was going to end in 2002 or 2003, in the second version the same guy was now claiming 2012)

To be fair, the Mayans believe it will end in 2012.

To be fair, the Mayans believe it will end in 2012.

There are a few predictions that state 2012.


I would be surpised if he looked for 2012 just because it was a popular date.

Unless this god has placed his hidden code in every book of any length that was ever written, it is a load of total twaddle!
The so called 'predictions' have been proved to work if Moby Dick (or any book of substantial length) is used instead of the babble. :upyours:

To be fair, the Mayans believe it will end in 2012.

How many times am I going to have to explain how completely and utterly wrong that is on pretty much every single level?

How many times am I going to have to explain how completely and utterly wrong that is on pretty much every single level?

at least once more. :confused:

at least once more. :confused:

The 12th baktun will end on 2012 in the Mayan calendar, but not the end of the world.

The 12th baktun will end on 2012 in the Mayan calendar, but not the end of the world.

I thought "the end of the world" attachment came from the mayan calander ending in 2012 more so than it is the end of a mayan age.

I thought "the end of the world" attachment came from the mayan calander ending in 2012 more so than it is the end of a mayan age.

It's a common misconception.

so the calander doesn't end in 2012?


then htf did it get started that it did? O_o

What makes 2012 even likely, given that the Jews already are past the year 2012 in their calendar, and not everyone follows the same calendar to begin with? Besides, what makes 2012 plausible when one of the two oldest practised religions in the world has already passed the year of 2012? For this to have worked, we would have needed for all the calendars of different cultures to have been in sync with others and as it is, we already have many different people using other calendars along with the widely accepted Gregorian calendar (the successor to the Julian calendar).

so the calander doesn't end in 2012?


then htf did it get started that it did? O_o

Because some people don't know anything whatsoever about a long count. The current long count ends in 4300-something, but a new one starts immediately.

Human ability to find a way to say the past was predicted after-the-fact or god's way of hiding spoilers?

It's called the Torah code.

Heh... I'm liking this poll result so far- it's going some way to giving my faith in humanity a boost.

Usually when I start to feel like this something monumentally stupid happens, just to restore the status quo :p

Meaningless mathematical algorithms used to "crack" the code? Yeah, I'd say it's bunk.

Why the History Channel chose to air that horse dung is beyond me.

Because without all the senseless horse dung, all they have is Hitler >.>

I heard if you read it forwards you get a cruel being who makes bets on mankind for amusement! (and also some scripture will tell you about the end of times:eek:)

I should so have a documentary on me made

What makes 2012 even likely, given that the Jews already are past the year 2012 in their calendar, and not everyone follows the same calendar to begin with? Besides, what makes 2012 plausible when one of the two oldest practised religions in the world has already passed the year of 2012? For this to have worked, we would have needed for all the calendars of different cultures to have been in sync with others and as it is, we already have many different people using other calendars along with the widely accepted Gregorian calendar (the successor to the Julian calendar).
Durrr...

it's not like the Mayans 'The world is going to end in 2012, Christian count', 2012 is our equivalent of the date they predicted. It would be 5636 (or something) in the Budhist count.

what? since when?



is it chocolate phi?

Since creation, I guess,... Carl Sagan told me so.

Human ability to find a way to say the past was predicted after-the-fact or god's way of hiding spoilers?which bible?

Durrr...

it's not like the Mayans 'The world is going to end in 2012, Christian count', 2012 is our equivalent of the date they predicted. It would be 5636 (or something) in the Budhist count.The Mayan calendar starts in 3113 BCE (The Flood), so 2012 CE would be 5125 for them.

Human ability to find a way to say the past was predicted after-the-fact or god's way of hiding spoilers?

The creator of the Bible Code used it to predict that as meteor would hit Earth in 2000.

People on this website called Exodus2006 (note the year in the title) used the Bible Code to predict that a meteor would hit Earth in 2006.

The creator of the Bible Code used it to predict that as meteor would hit Earth in 2000.

People on this website called Exodus2006 (note the year in the title) used the Bible Code to predict that a meteor would hit Earth in 2006.And? Did the meteors hit?

The creator of the Bible Code used it to predict that as meteor would hit Earth in 2000.

People on this website called Exodus2006 (note the year in the title) used the Bible Code to predict that a meteor would hit Earth in 2006.

Meteors hit every day, to claim one will hit any given year isn't a stretch.

And? Did the meteors hit?

Exodus 2006 predicted that a meteor would hit Earth in 2006 CE. I believe that said that it will hit Canada. Of course, it didn't hit.

Meteors hit every day, to claim one will hit any given year isn't a stretch.

The meteors they say will hit were to destroy 1/3 of the population of Earth.

Durrr...

it's not like the Mayans 'The world is going to end in 2012, Christian count', 2012 is our equivalent of the date they predicted. It would be 5636 (or something) in the Budhist count.

Or according to the Jews, the year is 5768. Their calendar year is generally close to ours, with a similar number of days, though there are leap years and such. But even still, according to the Mayans, the end day is 5125 years (Gregorian) after the original date (~3114 B.C.).

This is about 600 years difference...

So, shouldn't have the world already ended?

The meteors they say will hit were to destroy 1/3 of the population of Earth.Did it?

Did it?

Non, monsieur (bien sur)

Or according to the Jews, the year is 5768. Their calendar year is generally close to ours, with a similar number of days, though there are leap years and such. But even still, according to the Mayans, the end day is 5125 years (Gregorian) after the original date (~3114 B.C.).

This is about 600 years difference...

So, shouldn't have the world already ended?

I am trying to follow, but I can't figure out which calander you are trying to apply "2012" to.

If I am following right, you're claiming the the Mayan calander end day thing is 5125 years AFTER it started in around 3114BC.....that is 2012AD isn't it?:confused:

I am trying to follow, but I can't figure out which calander you are trying to apply "2012" to.

If I am following right, you're claiming the the Mayan calander end day thing is 5125 years AFTER it started in around 3114BC.....that is 2012AD isn't it?:confused:

Hmmm mmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_times#Maya

Hmmm mmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_times#Maya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#2012_and_the_Long_Count has a better summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Piktuns_and_higher_orders This is useful as well. The end of a baktun really means very little considering that there are at least eight higher orders.

a deep seated inner voice, which says the Bible code is a load of crud.Couldn't have been a more appropriate place and manner of inner voice.

Silly people messing with the outdated Bible Code.

Astro projection is where it's at!

Silly people messing with the outdated Bible Code.

Astro projection is where it's at!

Astroglide projection, maybe. :p



....*ponders*

Astroglide projection, maybe. :p



....*ponders*

LOL! All we need now is Fass or UpwardThrust to comment on Astroglide Projection and this thread would be over.

I love how people keep trying to use the Bible to predict a precise date for the end of the world when it specifically states not to (because it's pointless, as only the Father knows the date).

:D

I love how people keep trying to use the Bible to predict a precise date for the end of the world when it specifically states not to (because it's pointless, as only the Father knows the date).

:D

Yea but humans are rebellious and we know better than that old foggy! :p

Bible Code is like Secret Rapture:

Fake religion made up for financial profit.

Not to come off as a troll but the men who invented each concept is a millionaire today.

Human ability to find a way to say the past was predicted after-the-fact or god's way of hiding spoilers?

why weren't these the options in the poll? instead of "real"; yes or no?

of course this is all about pretentiously attempting to prove speculative assumptions about what is factually unknown.

and as someone pointed out, any sufficiently convoluted and appearantly self conflected text of sufficient camplexity can just about always be construed as having somehow predicted absolutely anything and everything that happens.

this is not ment as a rejection out of hand of their real value, which all sacred texts of all beliefs possess in some considerable degree. only to point out how this is rather a total abuse of their otherwise benificent intent.

=^^=
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I love how people keep trying to use the Bible to predict a precise date for the end of the world when it specifically states not to (because it's pointless, as only the Father knows the date).

:D

Exactly. Those who try to predict the date are to be shunned.

Meaningless mathematical algorithms used to "crack" the code? Yeah, I'd say it's bunk.

Why the History Channel chose to air that horse dung is beyond me.

Yep, especially when you can use algorithms to make such divine works as Mark Twain's "Connecticut Yankee" prophesy as well.